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On November 20 2013 22:56 Mocsta wrote:
jjd
read the whole thread. if you still need an answer to your question, let me know and I will respond otherwise what you are asking is pointless. Almost there. But my point isn't that I want to know why you think those people are scummy. I want to know why you think sci is scummy for basically doing the same thing you did.
The only difference I see is that he gave a reason while you didn't. Which I think looks worse for you.
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On November 20 2013 23:13 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 22:56 Mocsta wrote:
jjd
read the whole thread. if you still need an answer to your question, let me know and I will respond otherwise what you are asking is pointless. Almost there. But my point isn't that I want to know why you think those people are scummy. I want to know why you think sci is scummy for basically doing the same thing you did. The only difference I see is that he gave a reason while you didn't. Which I think looks worse for you.
jjd
I gave reasons??
I am having trouble whether you haven't seen the two posts I made in reference to scibwrbia, or, you can't follow my reasoning??
based on your dialogue it appears you van not find my reasoning?
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On November 20 2013 22:20 Aquanim wrote:
@LoneMeow: What is your read on Bereft?
Both of you: do you have any questions for me?
I don't really have a read on Bereft, very little content to go by. Asking questions is okay but scum can do that easily aswell, I need to see what he does with the answers.
What do you think of sciberbia's case on cDgCorazon?
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On November 20 2013 23:17 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 23:13 JarJarDrinks wrote:On November 20 2013 22:56 Mocsta wrote:
jjd
read the whole thread. if you still need an answer to your question, let me know and I will respond otherwise what you are asking is pointless. Almost there. But my point isn't that I want to know why you think those people are scummy. I want to know why you think sci is scummy for basically doing the same thing you did. The only difference I see is that he gave a reason while you didn't. Which I think looks worse for you. jjd I gave reasons?? I am having trouble whether you haven't seen the two posts I made in reference to scibwrbia, or, you can't follow my reasoning?? based on your dialogue it appears you van not find my reasoning?
+ Show Spoiler +On November 20 2013 16:10 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 16:05 sciberbia wrote:+ Show Spoiler ++ Show Spoiler +On November 20 2013 15:50 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 15:37 sciberbia wrote:
@thrawn
I legitimately thought Cora was the scummiest person in the thread at the time (if by the tiniest of margins). My intention was mainly to get interesting discussion started. That is a very interesting response. When I initially saw your first post I thought, "I like scib's post, it looks like he's trying to bait reactions or somesuch townie tactic because there is no way that he could actually be serious about this!" Here's why.. Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 12:12 thrawn2112 wrote:On November 20 2013 12:00 Mocsta wrote:
post 1
Yo fuck the POLICE true dat These posts came before your comment on Mocsta. Aren't they both as "safe" and "trolly" as what Corazon did? Why did you decide that only Corazon deserved to be called out for what bereft and I also did? One of your concerns with C's post is that it "echoes what Mocsta said." Typically a point like this can be valid when someone restates another's argument, and the reason why it would be scummy is because it means the person who "echoes" has to "echo" because they cannot produce content of their own. Are you really trying to suggest that Corazon didn't know what to say, so he decided to copy Mocsta, and is therefore scummy? That argument completely falls apart when you're talking about something so silly and non-alignment indicative as saying "fuck the police." @thrawn I agree it's an extremely weak tell. It was the first page of the game so that's all you can expect. Bereft's post is much more attention-grabby and less 'safe' than Cora's. If anything I leaned town on Bereft for his first post. Your first post was slightly less blendy than Cora's and you followed it up with a natural question, so that was a point in your favor. I'm not going to argue how Cora's first post makes him scum. That's just a silly argument. I just find it ever so slightly scummier than the other initial posts, so that's why I chose to single his out. I basically looked at all the opening posts and thought to myself, "Which of these might I post as scum if I was hoping to blend in and not draw attention?" and Cora's fit that description best. Not to be a prick, but your opener fits that bill more than Corazon. Corazon and I have history, so you could argue he opened that way to satiate me from tunneling him. However, town are guilty of posting responses like that as openers or second posts very often. its part of early game trolling. Hence why I gave Corazon post a null tell. I don't like how you rambled several paragraphs just to state the above. Too much quantity, not enough substance.
This is the closest thing I can find as a reason. If there's something else I missed, let me know. If "Too much quantity, not enough substance" is pretty much ur reasoning then OK. But that didn't seem to be what U originally said.
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On November 20 2013 22:32 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 21:41 LoneMeow wrote:
I could agree about cDgCorazon being scum. His filter has a ton of filler-like stuff, practically the only player he seems to have anything to talk about is sciberbia and even that is kind of non-commital, he's more or less hinting that sciberbia is scummy but never actually making it a real case. The part about town reads not being useful was just plain weird.
On the other hand, sciberbia's massive tunnel so early in the game is pretty weird and I really don't think they're both scum.
1. do you have an opinion on aquanim? 2. why is it an issue he only talks about sciberbia? who else was worth discussing at that point in time? 3. why is the town reads component not useful? 4. I don't get the point of the sentence with sciberbia.
1. I have slight town read on Aquanim. He seems to post his thought processes and they make sense.
2. Town tends to be more paranoid and suspect everyone. Also, it would be useful to engage in talk about other players because it helps figure out any possible connections later when we see players flip.
3. I'm not sure what you mean? My note was that this is a weird discussion:
On November 20 2013 13:56 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 13:54 Rean wrote:On November 20 2013 13:50 cDgCorazon wrote:On November 20 2013 13:47 Rean wrote:On November 20 2013 13:46 cDgCorazon wrote:On November 20 2013 13:44 Rean wrote:On November 20 2013 13:43 cDgCorazon wrote:
@Rean
Talking about town reads is silly. I'd rather just have 1 scum read from Aqua. Why is it silly? Would you vote someone on being the "least townie"? Talking about town reads is only good to high-five and pat each other on the back and compliment each other's town play. It doesn't get scum lynched. Sure, a good scum read is far more useful. But it might still say something useful. Put it like this, a town read and a scum read is better than just a scum read. In my opinion, a better thing to ask would be a scum read and someone you would like to know more about. That would facilitate a lot more discussion than only a town/scum read due to the fact that having a town read on someone doesn't do anything for discussion. Both are ways to get discussion going, which one is the better just depends on the situation/person I guess. Sometimes people don't have strong scumreads but get a strong townvibe from someone, it's always good for discussion. Think it just comes down to preference. Fair enough. I would like to hear Aqua's reads if he's done dodging Rean (although to be fair to him as well he did mention Thrawn's vote as a town indicator for him).
4. The point is, I can't really understand how anyone could have such a strong scum read this early that he'd just tunnel that one person.
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On November 20 2013 23:27 LoneMeow wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 22:20 Aquanim wrote:
@LoneMeow: What is your read on Bereft?
Both of you: do you have any questions for me? I don't really have a read on Bereft, very little content to go by. Asking questions is okay but scum can do that easily aswell, I need to see what he does with the answers. What do you think of sciberbia's case on cDgCorazon?
For reference, sciberbia's case:
+ Show Spoiler +[QUOTE] On November 20 2013 15:53 sciberbia wrote:on Cora+ Show Spoiler [quotes] +On November 20 2013 12:17 sciberbia wrote:I think Cora is most likely to be scum so far. His entrance to the thread is what I would describe as very 'safe'. It's trolly, ingratiating, and echoes what Mocsta already said. agree or disagree. On November 20 2013 12:06 Mocsta wrote:
I understand some people view early trolling as part of the game, however, I would think you do not fall into this category.
In fact, I would argue the above is completely out-of-character for a town Aquanim.
On November 20 2013 12:24 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 12:19 Bereft wrote:On November 20 2013 12:16 Mocsta wrote:
post 4
K thrawn is town
De ja ducking vu explain. you're going to burn through your posts really quickly if you write 1 to 2 liners and expect the rest of us to all be on your wavelength. post 5Scum like to interrupt town circles, so dial down the tone will ya. I think if there are 3 scum. So far it'saquanim, sciberbia and you. On November 20 2013 12:37 cDgCorazon wrote:
On that note, sciberia needs to stop analyzing the first page so hard and just discuss. We're not going to find scum on the first page. You guys just need to talk instead of being at each other's throats 30 minutes into the game.
1) The first thing I want to emphasize is a point brought up by Bereft. Cora singled me out for stating preliminary reads on the first page, but glossed over Mocsta doing the same thing. This inconsistency is suspicious because it suggests that his problem wasn't with the stating of reads (in which case he should have been equally bothered by Mocsta), but rather with me specifically stating suspicion on him.
2) Next, I find suspicious Cora's early criticisms of my play. At first, the criticisms had a tone of "sciberbia's play is bad" (but not scummy). + Show Spoiler [neutral criticisms] +On November 20 2013 12:37 cDgCorazon wrote:
On that note, sciberia needs to stop analyzing the first page so hard and just discuss. We're not going to find scum on the first page. You guys just need to talk instead of being at each other's throats 30 minutes into the game.
On November 20 2013 12:44 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 12:43 sciberbia wrote:On November 20 2013 12:28 thrawn2112 wrote:
Who wants a free town read? I've only got one, get it while supplies last! All you need to do is be the first to respond to this post!
mocsta is ineligible because him and I are already confirmed town to each other @thrawn You are masons? Thx for piggybacking on my post. I really appreciate it. On November 20 2013 12:57 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 12:54 Aquanim wrote:
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On that note, sciberia needs to stop analyzing the first page so hard and just discuss. We're not going to find scum on the first page. You guys just need to talk instead of being at each other's throats 30 minutes into the game.
The way I see it, sciberbia analysing the first page at least gives us something to talk about. Why don't you think what he's doing is productive? I think it is sciberia either not understanding that the first page of a game is usually just joking around or he is trying to rock the boat ridiculously early in the game. Seeing as sciberia is not new to this game, I think it's the latter. I find criticism of "bad play" in the first couple pages suspicious in general. Scum find it tempting to discredit townies and promote a negative town atmosphere. Townies on the other hand are more likely to be in a joyous mood after receiving their role PM, rather than antagonistic.
3) But specific to Cora, I'm troubled by the fact that when questioned about these posts by Bereft, Aquanim, and Thrawn, he retroactively analyzes my previous posts as scummy, whereas before his comments were noncommittal criticisms. If he really found my first few posts so scummy, the noncommittal criticisms are very unnatural. Originally he said this: + Show Spoiler [very alignment neutral] +On November 20 2013 12:37 cDgCorazon wrote:
On that note, sciberia needs to stop analyzing the first page so hard and just discuss. We're not going to find scum on the first page. You guys just need to talk instead of being at each other's throats 30 minutes into the game.
But then later this when questioned by thrawn: + Show Spoiler [scummy] +On November 20 2013 13:43 cDgCorazon wrote:
@Thrawn
In my opinion, if he was trying to create a good town atmosphere in the start, he did a very poor job of doing so. That's why I was thinking (and still am) that sciberia is scum. So according to Cora, he was thinking that I was scum simultaneously as he was writing that you cannot find scum on the first page? That's a pretty blatant contradiction and it seems more likely one that scum would make than town.
I'd appreciate feedback on this case. I think it's the strongest one in the thread right now so
1) I find unconvincing. I think it's believable that a town Corazon would only notice the read given on him, though a scum Corazon probably would too. Perhaps a teeny-tiny bit scum-leaning but meh.
2) I'm inclined to agree with. I don't get the impression Corazon is enjoying himself in this game.
As for 3) I can understand that Corazon's read on sciberbia could change over time (even though the posts it's based on haven't changed). Particularly when called upon to explain oneself, one's opinion of a particular post can shift - I speak from my own past experience here. And hell, sometimes townies contradict themselves. Like point 1) I think this is plausible from both town and scum Corazon, though again maybe slightly more likely from scum.
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On November 20 2013 23:13 JarJarDrinks wrote:
I want to know why you think sci is scummy for basically doing the same thing you did.
The only difference I see is that he gave a reason while you didn't. Which I think looks worse for you.
This is in regards to:
On November 20 2013 22:50 JarJarDrinks wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Only a few pages in but first impression is mocsta is scum. Giving himself a post limit and then posting a bunch of 1-liners to start the game is pretty bad. Then he get's pissed @ Bereft for questioning him about it? This post really stuck out to me: On November 20 2013 12:26 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 12:17 sciberbia wrote:On November 20 2013 12:06 cDgCorazon wrote:
Moc obv town. Fuck da police! I think Cora is most likely to be scum so far. His entrance to the thread is what I would describe as very 'safe'. It's trolly, ingratiating, and echoes what Mocsta already said. agree or disagree. post 6I can't remember what a scum Cora is like.. but the above sounds more typical of town if I recall correctly. If I were to have a go at Corazon, it would be more along the lines of that being his sole post so far, yet being present in the thread to post that. Read is null. You look bad for trying to point fingers already on something that is null so early. Why exactly does sci look bad for pointing fingers so early? @ least sci gave a reason. Now it may not have been a good reason but would he have been less scummy if he just said cora was a scum read w/o any reason @ all? Aparently, since that's what Mocsta did: On November 20 2013 12:24 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 12:19 Bereft wrote:On November 20 2013 12:16 Mocsta wrote:
post 4
K thrawn is town
De ja ducking vu explain. you're going to burn through your posts really quickly if you write 1 to 2 liners and expect the rest of us to all be on your wavelength. post 5Scum like to interrupt town circles, so dial down the tone will ya. I think if there are 3 scum. So far it'saquanim, sciberbia and you.Course not everyone has posted so this is tentative and subject to change. The answer to your question was in my previous post. Dr ja vu. Thrawn is contextually reading the same as I do. It's only a small point but enough for a town lean at this stage of the game. Thanks for looking out for my post count  Of the 3 people he named, he only posted a small reason for Aquanim about how he questioned him. So Mocsta, is sciberbia for pointing fingers for a bad reason scummier than you pointing fingers for no reason @ all?
(A) "So Mocsta, is sciberbia for pointing fingers for a bad reason scummier than you pointing fingers for no reason @ all?"
I had reasoning and its in post 6 that you quoted??
I can't remember what a scum Cora is like.. but the above sounds more typical of town if I recall correctly. + Show Spoiler +If I were to have a go at Corazon, it would be more along the lines of that being his sole post so far, yet being present in the thread to post that. Read is null. Insert: Refering to CorazonYou look bad for trying to point fingers already on something that is null so early.
If so, I thought Sciberbia was making a mountain of a molehill.
Keep in mind my perspective of Sciberbia is that he is an analytical player, and certainly not a troll - thus, my expectations of his play do not cater for posts like the above.
As for an additional post regarding the same Sciberbia post, it was within my spoilered play-by-play analysis.
On November 20 2013 15:22 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 12:17 sciberbia wrote:On November 20 2013 12:06 cDgCorazon wrote:
Moc obv town. Fuck da police! I think Cora is most likely to be scum so far. His entrance to the thread is what I would describe as very 'safe'. It's trolly, ingratiating, and echoes what Mocsta already said. agree or disagree. Having just come out of a game as scum. I personally feel this is written with the tone of scum-scum. Sciberbia takes a position using strong descriptive words "trolly" and "ingratiating" from one post that to me - with limited knowledge - is null. Further, Sciberbia references my name.. I find this odd. I know I am town, but only scum should be aware of that too. Now: SCiberbia does not comment on my alignment here; yet, directly infers it was scummish for Corazon to "echo" what I said.
This is a matter of interpretation. Sciberbia later comments that he thinks his "echo" statement is independant of alignment.
Ultimately, my read on Sciberbia has changed as I have re-read the game.
Again this is clear in my filter. My last public opinion was:
On November 20 2013 17:10 Mocsta wrote:
*snip*
I have downgraded Scibs to null territory as I like his consistency. Curerntly I think I am misinterpreting his intentions.
Maybe he genuinely does hate trolling, and I just haven't seen him like this before.
Regarding the second part: Baseless scum calls on 3 players.
Again I gave reasons for the 3 reasons.
Sciberbia: As described above
Aquanim:On November 20 2013 12:06 Mocsta wrote:
*snip*
@Aquanim Why ask such a pointless, non-alignment indicative question.
I understand some people view early trolling as part of the game, however, I would think you do not fall into this category.
In fact, I would argue the above is completely out-of-character for a town Aquanim.
Bereft: [QUOTE]On November 20 2013 12:24 Mocsta wrote:
Scum like to interrupt town circles, so dial down the tone will ya.
/QUOTE]
One thing to keep in mind is that you are reading the thread delayed (page 5 to 13) thus it is easy for you to read and say I disagree. The key questions have been asked and there is more information to make an informed opinion.
Whereas in my situation, everything is live and you have to evolve your position as posts come through.
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JJD
Did you ask me this stuff because like Onegu you think I am scum;
or, were they just items of interest to you?
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Cora
On November 20 2013 12:37 cDgCorazon wrote:
I took a shower. Sorry for not wanting to smell bad.
Moc, I'm quite concerned that you have already used up >25% of your "self-allotted posts". If you're going to start spamming, it's going to be a problem.
Now to my goals/early game statements:
1. I'm not gonna make any meta crap posts. TBH I don't remember anyone's meta and it's ridiculously stupid logic. I'm not going to stand for it and I don't think you guys should either.
2. I'm voting for the scummiest person. My last game was Titanic and it came down to 3-4 days of "X is scum, Y/Z/Q is scum as well". That led the town way off of the path and allowed my scum team the easiest scum win in a very long time. I don't care if they're not on the two lynch trains that are going to form. It's not instant majority so as long as I feel like I'm voting for the scummiest person in my opinion, I'm going to be happy with my vote.
3. I'm going to do my best to not be just an onlooker. I'm gonna try and facilitate discussion and ask a lot of questions instead of just answering questions and throw my ideas out there and just create more chaos.
On that note, sciberia needs to stop analyzing the first page so hard and just discuss. We're not going to find scum on the first page. You guys just need to talk instead of being at each other's throats 30 minutes into the game.
OK, so in this post it looks like he's leaning town on sciberia. His tells him he should chill w/ the page 1 analysis so to me that seems like he doesn't think its scummy but bad townie.
A few posts later:On November 20 2013 12:57 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 12:54 Aquanim wrote:
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On that note, sciberia needs to stop analyzing the first page so hard and just discuss. We're not going to find scum on the first page. You guys just need to talk instead of being at each other's throats 30 minutes into the game.
The way I see it, sciberbia analysing the first page at least gives us something to talk about. Why don't you think what he's doing is productive? I think it is sciberia either not understanding that the first page of a game is usually just joking around or he is trying to rock the boat ridiculously early in the game. Seeing as sciberia is not new to this game, I think it's the latter. He now thinks that same exact action is more likely to be scummy.
Another post I have a problem w/:On November 20 2013 13:20 cDgCorazon wrote:Mocsta does his verbal sparring and states his opinion clearly: Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 12:24 Mocsta wrote:
I think if there are 3 scum. So far it'saquanim, sciberbia and you[Bereft].
While sciberia simply misreads my posts and attacks me, yet doesn't give any conclusion to his read on me. Way less direct and clear then what Mocsta did. I've already pointed out how I think that what Sci did was way less scummy than what Mocsta did. Here's Sci's post accusing Cora:On November 20 2013 12:17 sciberbia wrote:
I think Cora is most likely to be scum so far. His entrance to the thread is what I would describe as very 'safe'. It's trolly, ingratiating, and echoes what Mocsta already said.
agree or disagree. How is that not stating his opinion clearly? How is that not giving a conclusion but what he quoted from mocsta is?
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On November 20 2013 23:39 LoneMeow wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On November 20 2013 22:32 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 21:41 LoneMeow wrote:
I could agree about cDgCorazon being scum. His filter has a ton of filler-like stuff, practically the only player he seems to have anything to talk about is sciberbia and even that is kind of non-commital, he's more or less hinting that sciberbia is scummy but never actually making it a real case. The part about town reads not being useful was just plain weird.
On the other hand, sciberbia's massive tunnel so early in the game is pretty weird and I really don't think they're both scum.
1. do you have an opinion on aquanim? 2. why is it an issue he only talks about sciberbia? who else was worth discussing at that point in time? 3. why is the town reads component not useful? 4. I don't get the point of the sentence with sciberbia. 1. I have slight town read on Aquanim. He seems to post his thought processes and they make sense. 2. Town tends to be more paranoid and suspect everyone. Also, it would be useful to engage in talk about other players because it helps figure out any possible connections later when we see players flip. 3. I'm not sure what you mean? My note was that this is a weird discussion: On November 20 2013 13:56 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 13:54 Rean wrote:On November 20 2013 13:50 cDgCorazon wrote:On November 20 2013 13:47 Rean wrote:On November 20 2013 13:46 cDgCorazon wrote:On November 20 2013 13:44 Rean wrote:On November 20 2013 13:43 cDgCorazon wrote:
@Rean
Talking about town reads is silly. I'd rather just have 1 scum read from Aqua. Why is it silly? Would you vote someone on being the "least townie"? Talking about town reads is only good to high-five and pat each other on the back and compliment each other's town play. It doesn't get scum lynched. Sure, a good scum read is far more useful. But it might still say something useful. Put it like this, a town read and a scum read is better than just a scum read. In my opinion, a better thing to ask would be a scum read and someone you would like to know more about. That would facilitate a lot more discussion than only a town/scum read due to the fact that having a town read on someone doesn't do anything for discussion. Both are ways to get discussion going, which one is the better just depends on the situation/person I guess. Sometimes people don't have strong scumreads but get a strong townvibe from someone, it's always good for discussion. Think it just comes down to preference. Fair enough. I would like to hear Aqua's reads if he's done dodging Rean (although to be fair to him as well he did mention Thrawn's vote as a town indicator for him). 4. The point is, I can't really understand how anyone could have such a strong scum read this early that he'd just tunnel that one person.
Regarding #3: Thanks I misread.
Regarding town players being paranoid and not early tunneling (due to suspecting each and everyone): Do you think either of the players went about the tunnel in a scummy way.
(For example: baiting, misrepresenting posts, lying)
Regarding Aquanim: I take it you do not agree with the Thrawn case. What do you make of Aquanim "fait accomplit" to not vote for Corazon and sit on the sidelines. Considering you have an expectation for town regarding early reads (being paranoid); what is your expectation for town during a shit-fight with votes being flung.
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On November 20 2013 23:54 Mocsta wrote:
JJD
Did you ask me this stuff because like Onegu you think I am scum;
or, were they just items of interest to you? I thought it was scummy but I'm feeling better about you after finishing the thread. Especially since Cora is probably my top scumread now and I don't think you make sense as his scumbuddy.
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JJD,
The below is kinda moot: but Im just trying to prove a point. A response is probably not required.
I assume the answer is an implicit "YES", but what I would like to know is whether you agreed with Sciberbia comments based on the context they are referring to [red]at that point in time
I see you think Sciberbia is being candid and communicating clearly, but that does not mean the actual content is good/truthful.
For example:
On November 20 2013 12:17 sciberbia wrote:
I think Cora is most likely to be scum so far. His entrance to the thread is what I would describe as very 'safe'. It's trolly, ingratiating, and echoes what Mocsta already said.
agree or disagree.
Is referring to:
On November 20 2013 12:06 cDgCorazon wrote:
Moc obv town. Fuck da police! I get you think Corazon is scum etc based on pages 5 to 13.
However, if the two quotes above are treated in isolation: do you think that 1 post from Corazon warrants the opinion/stance Sciberbia expressed?
This also ties in with my quotes that prior you took issue with.
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On November 21 2013 00:09 Mocsta wrote:JJD, The below is kinda moot: but Im just trying to prove a point. A response is probably not required. I assume the answer is an implicit "YES", but what I would like to know is whether you agreed with Sciberbia comments based on the context they are referring to [red]at that point in time I see you think Sciberbia is being candid and communicating clearly, but that does not mean the actual content is good/truthful. For example: Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 12:17 sciberbia wrote:
I think Cora is most likely to be scum so far. His entrance to the thread is what I would describe as very 'safe'. It's trolly, ingratiating, and echoes what Mocsta already said.
agree or disagree. Is referring to: I get you think Corazon is scum etc based on pages 5 to 13. However, if the two quotes above are treated in isolation: do you think that 1 post from Corazon warrants the opinion/stance Sciberbia expressed? This also ties in with my quotes that prior you took issue with. [/b]
I don't think sciberbia's post was scummy. Now yeah, I agree that him thinking that cora's entrance to the thread is scummy is NOT something that he should base a read off of. And I think that this:On November 20 2013 12:37 cDgCorazon wrote:
On that note, sciberia needs to stop analyzing the first page so hard and just discuss. We're not going to find scum on the first page. You guys just need to talk instead of being at each other's throats 30 minutes into the game. Is a perfectly valid response. It's when cora changes that to a scumread, that I have a problem w/ it.
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On November 20 2013 18:24 thrawn2112 wrote:
jampidampi, have you noticed the elephant in the room?
It's over there >>>>>
What do you make of it?
Assuming you mean your case on Aquanim. I like it. I especially like how it applies to Aquas play even after the case.
##Vote: Aquanim
Here's some more evidnce against Aquanim:
On November 20 2013 20:01 Aquanim wrote:Well, it looks like Jampidampi has run off without adressing the elephant. I'm not sure whether to be insulted. He'd better offer some more constructive opinions when he gets back, though. Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 18:22 jampidampi wrote:@Sciberbia: My read on Corazon is not conclusive aka null. Slightly on the town side of null. + Show Spoiler +On November 20 2013 12:37 cDgCorazon wrote:
I took a shower. Sorry for not wanting to smell bad.
Moc, I'm quite concerned that you have already used up >25% of your "self-allotted posts". If you're going to start spamming, it's going to be a problem.
Now to my goals/early game statements:
1. I'm not gonna make any meta crap posts. TBH I don't remember anyone's meta and it's ridiculously stupid logic. I'm not going to stand for it and I don't think you guys should either.
2. I'm voting for the scummiest person. My last game was Titanic and it came down to 3-4 days of "X is scum, Y/Z/Q is scum as well". That led the town way off of the path and allowed my scum team the easiest scum win in a very long time. I don't care if they're not on the two lynch trains that are going to form. It's not instant majority so as long as I feel like I'm voting for the scummiest person in my opinion, I'm going to be happy with my vote.
3. I'm going to do my best to not be just an onlooker. I'm gonna try and facilitate discussion and ask a lot of questions instead of just answering questions and throw my ideas out there and just create more chaos.
On that note, sciberia needs to stop analyzing the first page so hard and just discuss. We're not going to find scum on the first page. You guys just need to talk instead of being at each other's throats 30 minutes into the game.
Don't like this post. Doesn't say anything with a substance. + Show Spoiler +On November 20 2013 13:24 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 13:20 Aquanim wrote:
@Corazon
I'd like you to elaborate more on why you think sciberbia is scum. I don't entirely understand your argument at present. He's trying to get us to tunnel each other early so he can just sit around and piggyback on town lynches and point the finger at others. This is demonstrated when he essentially copies my post asking thrawn if he was a mason (deliberately, his post was at least 2-3 minutes after mine) and then decides that he can take my words and twist them when I pressure him about it. This is what troubles me about sciberia right now. Don't understand what he is trying to say with this. If "us" refers to Scib and Cora, how does he come to the conclusion that Scib can "sit around and piggyback on town lynches and point the finger at others" if Scib is tunneling Cora? On one hand Cora could be a townie caught in a emotional tunnel. This falls in line with his tone when directly responding to Scib. On the other hand he could be scum. Reserving judgement until he returns and properly answears Sciberbias case and this post. @Jampidampi: This reads to me like two quotes demonstrating why you don't like Corazon's play so far. How does that leave you on the town side of null? I think you need to flesh this out some more.
This post is odd. It feels like Aqua really wanted to say the first paragraph and inserted the second one to make a post with more substance. If Aqua wanted to address my post with the second pararaph, why wait nearly two hours? Since the motive of this post clearly wasn't to adress my post, it must lie withing the first paragrapgh. The first paragrapgh is just throwing some dirt onto me without stating explicit suspection. The motive behind it is to make me look worse. That, ladies and gentleman, is a scum motive.
@LoneMeow:
Could be more specific about what makes you think Aqua is town? What do you think about the case on him?
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Jampi, I like that post.
Also just wanted to say this is one of the best Day1 town atmospheres I have seen in regarding to getting straight into analysis/sharing reads.
Keep this up and a scum day1 lynch won't be too beyond us !
/thread captain (yes thats a dig @ Onegu)
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Alright I'm going to respond to the general criticism on me, the brunt of it being in Mocsta's case and then everyone else just rewording it.
First of all, most of Mocsta's filter analysis on me said that I had problems reading and that I was scummy. It's really shit casework from Mocsta because he's played multiple times with me and should know that I had a reading problem in general, whether I'm town or scum.
The rest of his case is his confirmation bias and calling sciberia my scummate. Lol.
I'm really surprised and disappointed that I got all the flak for the conversation between sciberia and I. In my opinion his actions were way more scummy and non-conclusive then mine and I believe that it is really hypocritical of everyone to attack me and simply ignore him.
On Aqua: I really agree with a lot of the points raised up against him. What troubles me the most is that he basically attacked Ream for sticking up for me and starting attacking Ream when it looked like my lynch wasn't going to go down. It felt like he was trying too hard to keep the lynch on me and that is what troubles me.
On others: I'm going to reread the thread but I already do not like the fact that sciberia and LoneMeow insist on keeping the conversation on me when the talk is about Aquanim. It's just making the town less focused and less able to discuss a good lynch candidate if they continue to ramble on about me. In my opinion, the first 24 hours should be allowed to free-flow and not have focused discussion (on one person) and the last 24 should be focus on the 2-3 wagons that pop up.
I'm going to reread Aqua and then reread the rest of the thread (pgs 10-13).
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Corazon
Quite a few have expressed concern over not being able to follow your thought process.
Please explain how you went from Sciberbia is bad town -> Sciberbia is scummy.
i.e. what triggers went in place for your read to upgrade from null -> scum.
Please do not just supply quotes from filter, as clearly, they are being misinterpreted by a majority.
Why am I confirmation biased (thus not scummy) for my "shitty casework?
Onegu seems to disagree.
+ Show Spoiler +P.S: I did not know you had reading problems.
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@JarJarDrinks:+ Show Spoiler [post for reference] +On November 20 2013 23:56 JarJarDrinks wrote:CoraShow nested quote +On November 20 2013 12:37 cDgCorazon wrote:
I took a shower. Sorry for not wanting to smell bad.
Moc, I'm quite concerned that you have already used up >25% of your "self-allotted posts". If you're going to start spamming, it's going to be a problem.
Now to my goals/early game statements:
1. I'm not gonna make any meta crap posts. TBH I don't remember anyone's meta and it's ridiculously stupid logic. I'm not going to stand for it and I don't think you guys should either.
2. I'm voting for the scummiest person. My last game was Titanic and it came down to 3-4 days of "X is scum, Y/Z/Q is scum as well". That led the town way off of the path and allowed my scum team the easiest scum win in a very long time. I don't care if they're not on the two lynch trains that are going to form. It's not instant majority so as long as I feel like I'm voting for the scummiest person in my opinion, I'm going to be happy with my vote.
3. I'm going to do my best to not be just an onlooker. I'm gonna try and facilitate discussion and ask a lot of questions instead of just answering questions and throw my ideas out there and just create more chaos.
On that note, sciberia needs to stop analyzing the first page so hard and just discuss. We're not going to find scum on the first page. You guys just need to talk instead of being at each other's throats 30 minutes into the game.
OK, so in this post it looks like he's leaning town on sciberia. His tells him he should chill w/ the page 1 analysis so to me that seems like he doesn't think its scummy but bad townie. A few posts later: Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 12:57 cDgCorazon wrote:On November 20 2013 12:54 Aquanim wrote:
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On that note, sciberia needs to stop analyzing the first page so hard and just discuss. We're not going to find scum on the first page. You guys just need to talk instead of being at each other's throats 30 minutes into the game.
The way I see it, sciberbia analysing the first page at least gives us something to talk about. Why don't you think what he's doing is productive? I think it is sciberia either not understanding that the first page of a game is usually just joking around or he is trying to rock the boat ridiculously early in the game. Seeing as sciberia is not new to this game, I think it's the latter. He now thinks that same exact action is more likely to be scummy. Another post I have a problem w/: Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 13:20 cDgCorazon wrote:Mocsta does his verbal sparring and states his opinion clearly: On November 20 2013 12:24 Mocsta wrote:
I think if there are 3 scum. So far it'saquanim, sciberbia and you[Bereft].
While sciberia simply misreads my posts and attacks me, yet doesn't give any conclusion to his read on me. Way less direct and clear then what Mocsta did. I've already pointed out how I think that what Sci did was way less scummy than what Mocsta did. Here's Sci's post accusing Cora: Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 12:17 sciberbia wrote:
I think Cora is most likely to be scum so far. His entrance to the thread is what I would describe as very 'safe'. It's trolly, ingratiating, and echoes what Mocsta already said.
agree or disagree. How is that not stating his opinion clearly? How is that not giving a conclusion but what he quoted from mocsta is?
On November 20 2013 12:37 cDgCorazon wrote:
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On that note, sciberia needs to stop analyzing the first page so hard and just discuss. We're not going to find scum on the first page. You guys just need to talk instead of being at each other's throats 30 minutes into the game. How does this give you the impression that Cora though Scib was townie?
On November 20 2013 12:57 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 12:54 Aquanim wrote:
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On that note, sciberia needs to stop analyzing the first page so hard and just discuss. We're not going to find scum on the first page. You guys just need to talk instead of being at each other's throats 30 minutes into the game.
The way I see it, sciberbia analysing the first page at least gives us something to talk about. Why don't you think what he's doing is productive? I think it is sciberia either not understanding that the first page of a game is usually just joking around or he is trying to rock the boat ridiculously early in the game. Seeing as sciberia is not new to this game, I think it's the latter. How does this make you think Cora thought Scib was scummy?
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When did I say that sciberia was bad town? Please find a post where I said he was bad town.
I didn't vote for sciberia because 0% of wagons in the first 2 hours of a game actually get to the deadline? None. What is the point of vote-jumping? It just allows people to skim my cases once they see the bold vote and only really look at it once it's my turn to be under the gun. Voting for people at this stage is pretty useless because it's not going to get a lynch going. I guarantee you that our reads and opinions are going to change before the deadline and it's useless to lock yourself in (or at least making a statement saying you are going to) 2 hours into a game.
That case was confirmation bias because you took 1-2 decent points about me (which alone are not enough to justify a vote or my lynching) and then supplemented them with saying "Corazon is doing stuff that he always does in every game, he has to be scum for it in this one".
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On November 21 2013 01:00 cDgCorazon wrote:
When did I say that sciberia was bad town? Please find a post where I said he was bad town.
Fair call. It was an interpretation from JJD that I did not think was absurd.
A better example of what I am referring to is the jampidampi post sandwiched between us.
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