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I think residency is the best possible solution. Anyone who says that NA would die and EU would be uninteresting should consider that new and upcoming players have way better chance of playing for bigger price pools and would therefore be more motivated to train harder.
To decrease the prize pools is not a good option because Koreans can still participate in the other regions... they just have to live there.
I read here anywhere that "if in sports the best players would be koreans who could not ban them, because everyone wants to see them." Well, what would you say if there's a Korean basketball team which flies in 3 times a year for a few days to play the playoffs and wins everything and then goes home again? Anybody who's not a "success fan" would be rooting against them, because there's absolutely no reason to cheer for a team or players with which you can't identify yourselves...
Guys like Jaedong can still participate in NA if he wants to... he plays for an american team and could move into their teamhouse.
If the NA scene is dying it is partly because of all the Koreans, because new players don't have a chance to even qualify and get better in a tournament (yes, training is good, but not everything, you can't simulate a good tournament run or motivation to train harder because of tournaments you maybe have a chance of winning...).
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I voted no because it would be horribly unfair to Koreans with the current format. Switch back to a 2012 WCS format and region locking is fine. With the 2013 format the Korean scene is already suffering majorly with tons of teams shrinking/disbanding/losing sponsors if you region lock WCS the Korean scene completely 100% dies by the end of 2014. Anyone that wants region locking with the current format is an idiot.
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What if they added a 4th wildcard or open region? Lock the big three (NA, EU, and KR/asia) to players of those nationalities, and then have a fourth that anyone can opt in to if they choose.
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YEESSSS!! Easiest choice ever.
What's the point of the system if all you have is 3xKorea. I want to to see local players to actually give me something to aspire to. I want them to have a chance to win something so it actually makes sense using your time as a professional SC2 player for nonkoreans so we hopefully can have a more balanced scene. The more you screw over nonkorean players, the less likely we are to see any of them actually be able to compete in the future with Koreans cause it just doesn't make any sense to play financially.
WCS is already killing most of the player stream viewers that was keeping the nonkoreans going, so I do not see how it could make any sense for most players to continue too far into the future. There is also no way these guys are getting a good contract with their team if they can barely get any time on the WCS streams. There is just no value for these players if they are knocked out in qualifier by Koreans.
Unlike BW, SC2 actually needs the entire globe to be the massive success that it is, and I feel that this would be much more interesting for most of the crucial viewers who are on the fence of what game they want to get into.
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The majority allways followed personalities over those who've huge skill (Foreigner stars vs "faceless koreans").
Easy choice to make if you ask me
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United Kingdom14103 Posts
On October 03 2013 05:09 Aliwia wrote:Yes there is, it's the big red cross at the top right
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On October 03 2013 19:05 Targe wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2013 05:09 Aliwia wrote:On September 26 2013 18:39 Targe wrote:No don't care option?  Yes there is, it's the big red cross at the top right ?
He means close your browser.
I'm okay with it not being regionlocked, but the point still stands that WCS hurts SC2 more than it helps
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They are going to make it residential.
Remove challenger league from NA/EU.
Increase the Korean prize pool.
Decrease the EU/NA prize pool.
All offline events.
They are hoping to get a team league with GSTL champ, KeSPA champ, EU champ, and NA champ.
Also trying to create 24/7 stream with regular content.
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On October 03 2013 21:52 TaishiCi wrote:
They are going to make it residential.
Remove challenger league from NA/EU.
Increase the Korean prize pool.
Decrease the EU/NA prize pool.
All offline events.
They are hoping to get a team league with GSTL champ, KeSPA champ, EU champ, and NA champ.
Also trying to create 24/7 stream with regular content.
if i didn't miss understood it sound amazing!
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United Kingdom14103 Posts
On October 03 2013 21:48 Apoptotic wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2013 19:05 Targe wrote:On October 03 2013 05:09 Aliwia wrote:On September 26 2013 18:39 Targe wrote:No don't care option? Yes there is, it's the big red cross at the top right ? He means close your browser. I'm okay with it not being regionlocked, but the point still stands that WCS hurts SC2 more than it helps
Well I know he meant that, but that's not what I asked for, not everyone cares where Koreans play.
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On September 26 2013 18:39 Targe wrote:No don't care option?
don't care, but bother posting here? You need the -get a life option.
Or build yourself a opinion. Or go fuck yourself.
User was banned for this post.
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NA would be terrible without the residency restrictions. The others I may agree with.
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majority wants region locking... had that in 2012 but no one watched (according to Blizzard) and now people want it back... sounds like a great plan /sarcasm
just a summary of why i believe in no region locks:
1. it spreads the koreans out thereby increasing the skill cap of all regions. playing with better foreigners make local players better
2. it gives NA and EU their very own GSL (think about this)
3. a region locked tournament already exists. WCG.
what should be changed:
1. Blizzard should support and encourage independent and smaller tournaments instead of restricting them
2. overhaul the game to reward skill more. make it less coin-tossy (for lack of a better term). this is a tall order but its really needed to get more viewers-fans and players back.
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What about those in regions other than KR/EU/NA? Blizzard comes to Australia to launch HoTS --> SEA server still dead. Why would anyone bother playing in a region not considered important enough to have a WCS region? China has the potential to grow and be competitive, and if Australia / South East Asia was more recognized, then there may be an increase in foreign interest. No don't region lock it if you are going to keep this NA/EU/KR only business.
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No, too many noobs in finals.
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I do not care about korean sc players because they do not care about fans. they are a bunch of self entitled little children who think the world owe them something. They make no effort to speak english, nor do they show any appreciation to their fans or sponsors. They act like everyone owes them something and that does not sit well with me.
This is only my perception of things and may not accurately reflect the views of all korean players but it's the way I feel regardless.
Its the same thing that happened with SC1/BW that caused me to lose interest. Korea got hold of the game and the ladder became horrible. you couldnt even communicate with people because no one spoke english anymore. Anyone remember, "manner ladderer, no rush 5min ok?
Couple this with the fact that SC2 casters are mostly, ignorant at best, and I have almost no interest in watching tournaments. When I do I am forced to use the mute button most of the time.
I think locking the WCS leagues is a start but I dunno.
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Yes. It definitely should. Compensate for the greater skill of Korean players by giving their region more seeds into the season finals and more prize money. Boom, problem solved.
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I would respectfully tell all of the no voters to please accept that you lost. Your opinion is obviously wrong, it all but killed the scene, and if you really do want to have a SC2 scene then please step away from the keyboard and let the yeasayers be the majority opinion so Blizzard listens to us and allows region lock. Your opinion is a stale dinosaur fart. We all know as you repeat it ad nauseum "you want the best players".
Listen, its a fallacy that there even are "best players". The amount of times a "best player" wins a major tournament its probably worse than Golf pre-Tiger Woods. Lets try something different. Rather than have a different winner who nobody has any attachment too, lets start building fans for players here that speak the language and are inspiring interest. We may not have best but we can begin building attachments to players who win tournaments and that can perpetuate something bigger.
Now its like oh here is the Korean of the Month winner. Big deal. In NA we have very very few players. This is a hidden asset, with only a top 8 of players there is easy to root for only one and know the strengths weaknesses of each. So being a fan of a NA player is very easy.
Also another fallacy I think I see is that play is the most important thing. I think play has stagnated and there is very little left to do. You won't amaze the rubes anymore with a flashy move, its all been seen before.
At best what I hope for is a 'highlight reel' play every few games. Now it should evolve into matchups, rivalries or competition. Without region lock SC2 is becoming a amorphous blob, very few times will the same players ever play anymore, and WCS NA can feature literally anyone as Koreans, EU and NA try desperately to get a spot. So its like a room of people who barely know each other, and can't really possibly remember each others builds, so they HAVE TO play standard boring builds which is making for very STALE gameplay.
So I just hope that Blizzard gives the Yes side a chance this year, lets No have to watch and see if they are proven wrong.
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Citizenship only is a no, for me. I want NA to look like EU, few koreans, some foreigners. It gives legitimacy to the tournament, and it allows awesome upsets like grubby / MVP.
Residency is cool, i think it would give a heatlhy balance between koreans and foreigners, and would help improve training on the different servers.
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