I have no idea how difficult or what problems might arise from this but couldn't we keep the current system and also expand the grand finals slots and then adding residency tournaments that will fill the new slots? I like the idea of having local heroes or whatever you want to call it but I also don't like the idea of the regionals completely lacking Korean, Chinese and other players.

Go from 16 to 32 for Grand Finals with something like 4 other representives from each of the 4 residency tournaments (4 NA, 4 EU, 4 Korea/Asia, 4 Everyone Else). Of course the remaining 16 come from the current set up.

ivancype

Brazil485 Posts

October 01 2013 13:55 GMT

#123

Yes.

And also I would like to see a new region for SEA/China and a change in the number of spots for season finals, something like 8 for KR, 4 for EU and 2 for AM SEA/China.

Or maybe no, just make ladder relevant for WCS.

iEatWoofers

Switzerland108 Posts

October 01 2013 14:17 GMT

#124

I think a region lock would be good. At the same time they would have to loosen their restrictions, so other tournaments can flourish again. Most pro gamers can't go far in WCS (because that's how tournaments work) but they need other places to play, get experience and money. I think that would especially help the Korean scene, where it's really hard to get noticed.

It's pretty obvious that the current WCS setup is killing the US scene. Especially with MLG not hosting SC2 tournaments anymore. Sure, the skill level won't be as high as Korea for a long time, but that's just how it is if you have to (re)build a scene. Pumping Koreans in the tournament will not help at all, because the players know that they are at a HUGE disadvantage. So they lose motivation and the scene dies.

I for one don't need two WCS Koreas. One is enough.

Greendotz

United Kingdom2053 Posts

October 01 2013 19:41 GMT

#125

On September 26 2013 16:00 ejozl wrote:
I think that's too hard a restriction, having DeMusliM earn the same money as Soulkey in prize pool, seems a bit strange.

As well as the residency lock idea who's to say there won't also be changes to the allocation of prize funds? I think GSL should return to it's original form, I feel Blizzard have kind of robbed GOM of their identity a bit. Overall I actually do like what Blizzard are trying to do with WCS, but there is so much that needs to change and needs to be revised for 2014.

vrok

Sweden2541 Posts

October 01 2013 20:06 GMT

#126

If this goes through there's absolutely no chance I would tune in to WCS EU/NA, and I feel that the regional prize pools and global finals spots would need to be reevaluated. KR needs to go way up. If you want a purely local talent tournament, go ahead and make one. I don't see why it needs to be WCS. Sweden and Germany even do purely national ones.

DDie

Brazil2369 Posts

October 01 2013 22:27 GMT

#127

On September 28 2013 06:16 ladysman09 wrote:
There should be a Korean Qualifier/Invite system for the non Korean WCS regions. like only 4 or 5 can qualify or be invited.

This.

zelevin

United States314 Posts

October 02 2013 02:40 GMT

#128

I wasn't sure, but when I considered WCG, it was a no-brainer. If you're familiar with the history of Broodwar and WCG, WCG was the tournament that the foreigners got to represent, got to have a chance. Artosis, Day9, IdrA, all benefited from WCG, and now look at them today? If the region lock didn't exist with WCG, would we have ever known about these wonderful people? I don't think so.

MysticaL

Canada118 Posts

October 02 2013 05:46 GMT

#129

voted no, because then I would skip WCS NA and even WCS EU up until Ro8 or so =/

IMR

70 Posts

October 02 2013 07:08 GMT

#130

who the hell wants to see more of these inferior players?

Nyvis

France284 Posts

October 02 2013 07:57 GMT

#131

No it should not. Or the number of seeds from wcs eu and am should be lowered massively.

If we do that, the GSL will be back to being the only relevant tournament.
And the foreigners will keep stagnating because they won't have to face the best to do a living.

A residing requirement could be a decent compromise, but citizenship seems really impossible without making the foreign WCS completely irrelevant. And even a massive joke if they keep the number of seeds.

And on the long run, it will hurt the foreign scene, because blizzard won't put as much money into a second grade tournament.

GreenHorizons

United States23714 Posts

October 02 2013 08:15 GMT

#132

I like the idea of just taking the whole Ro 32 offline making it more of a commitment to play in a foreign region but not eliminating the possibility. With a more EU style broadcast (ro16) for the whole ro32 could make the tournaments more of an entertainment experience and less of just watching games.

I do think we have seen a significant increase in the quality of play by NA players and European players as a result of having to regularly prepare for and compete against competition they just don't normally have access to.

If you want to be the best you have to beat the best(or at least compete with them).

papaz

Sweden4149 Posts

October 02 2013 10:12 GMT

#133

I'm surprised they don't have citizenship restrictions today.

What is the point with EU/NA/Korea if everyone is free to play whereever they want?

Sure the Korean would win if they entered the competition somewhere else but that goes for any other sport. How many of the young sprinters of Jamaica wouldn't crush competition anywhere else on the planet besides Jamaica?

Same with badminton/table tennis. Chinese players nowhere near the top in China would crush competition else where if they could participate.

PhobosSc2

Netherlands6 Posts

October 02 2013 12:23 GMT

#134

I wouldn't be for the recendency check or anything but I do think it is sad that players forfeit because of high lag. Part of that makes me want to combine the region that they play in to the region where they reside. Also, the restriction for a whole year is kind of bad then. Why woudln't it be possible at the end of a season for the new season with as the only restriction you can't switch to the region with the additional player advantage maybe.

Bottom line: I like the good games where both players have the same conditions to keep it equal. Playing in korea for WCS EU makes the lag high and there is an unequal advantage for the players which can be exploited at the higher level by high micro battles. The location where the player is is important.

dirtydurb82

United States178 Posts

October 02 2013 12:33 GMT

#135

Yes fuck yes.

"The only way to make E-Sports grow is to tell the truth." - Richard Lewis.

Well here's the truth. I want a WCS America winner who looks like me, talks like me, and grew up watching the fucking Simpsons, just like me. That's how I like my Olympics, that's how I like my Superbowls. The truth is, region locking is the first step to making E-Sports successful.

The second step is nerfing Widow Mines. Fucking Widow Mines man.

goldentb

Slovenia15 Posts

October 02 2013 14:22 GMT

#136

no, it think al regions should be only Koreans, because I want to watch good games, i dont care, from where u are

Rider517

70 Posts

October 02 2013 14:32 GMT

#137

i don't get why people keep saying that won't watch WCS EU/NA without koreans or that foreigners are "inferior"

yes, koreans are better and more talented, but i want to see an american player coming out from an american pool of players, and i want to see the same for EU and KR

i want to know who is the best american, european and korean players each season and this can be only achieved with a "region lock" system

so i voted yes.

Linwelin

Ireland7554 Posts

October 02 2013 19:56 GMT

#138

I voted "not sure". I'd be for a region lock if the korean prize pool was bigger than EU and NA (and possibly EU > NA). The current state of WCS fucked korean players so at least give them some more money

contaminant.237

Canada13 Posts

October 02 2013 20:04 GMT

#139

I'd rather watch the highest level of play in a WCS-style format. If we need some kind of 'Starcraft Olympics', where it's supposed to be about seeing the best players from each country/region compete, wouldn't having a third party (an MLG/Dreamhack/other) step up and run that be preferable?

Personally, I watch WCS for great games, not because of player's names. I think it hugely diminishes the successes of the most talented Korean players to say you'd prefer to see lower-level play because it's someone from your home country.

Individual sports should be about the players, not the regions they represent. This isn't football - you don't have to cheer for your "home-town team".

Aliwia

United Kingdom6 Posts

October 02 2013 20:09 GMT

#140

On September 26 2013 18:39 Targe wrote:
No don't care option?