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Here's my rant from an enthusiast viewer (don't play much these days) kind of perspective.
I used to love the GSL. I watched it religiously. I'd stay up until five in the morning to stream it live. But now WCS has effectively devalued its prestige in the SC2 scene, we get less seasons of it every year because hosting KR has been split with OSL whose format I don't like, and the whole region lock mess meant that the concentration of my favourite players was diminished around AM and EU where they were busy smashing my favourite foreigner players into the ground and then some. I saw the same few Korean players in EU and AM all the time as I expected and stopped watching because it's boring. I've maybe followed KR for half the year at most, and only because I'm that loyal to GOMTV and the GSL. However as it turns out currently, we might see one non-Korean player in the global finals. Just the one, and only if other Koreans marginally lower in points don't do well in the next couple of weeks. Doesn't seem right to me.
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On October 14 2013 19:38 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2013 20:38 thimius wrote:On September 26 2013 15:15 Oiseaux wrote:
I already know who the strong koreans are. If I want to see them I'll watch GSL. I want to see strong NA players. Do you also think its fair that Kane, Goswser and Demuslim could end up winning the same prize money as say...Soulkey, Jaedong, Innovation, Rain and any other of the 50 koreany players that are ACTUALLY better players than the American ones? BEcause if they were to create a region lock, the code A of korea should actually have a higher prize pool than the american premier one, it's sad to say, but it's actually the truth... Yes. Those guys can prove that they are better and earn more prize money via the global finals. What you're saying is not the truth, it's your opinion. Different things, sometimes.
Soulkey, Jaedong, Innovation is on the same level as Kane, Goswser, and Demuslim?
It really doesn't look like it from the competition that they are playing against.
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I think the question is which scene do you value more? The American / European one or the Korean one? Because if it's a hard region lock, I see a lot of Koreans that we know and love far more than any foreigner retiring.
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At least hold qualifiers or something if a player wants to go abroad. For example, if a Korean wants to go to wcsAM then they should have to play in a qualifier with, let's say, 4-8 slots available to go to wcsAM, this season wcsAM had 17 Koreans in the round of 32.
It's obviously a touchy subject, you hate to tell someone "no", but at the same time, the goal is for SC2 to be more popular.
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I think the restriction should be a limit of the amount of players competing in another continent.
But imagine a full NA players... how boring would it be.
The best way is for sure a limit, but not a total restriction.
sorry for my poor eng skills.
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On October 16 2013 03:00 TaishiCi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2013 19:38 boxerfred wrote:On September 26 2013 20:38 thimius wrote:On September 26 2013 15:15 Oiseaux wrote:
I already know who the strong koreans are. If I want to see them I'll watch GSL. I want to see strong NA players. Do you also think its fair that Kane, Goswser and Demuslim could end up winning the same prize money as say...Soulkey, Jaedong, Innovation, Rain and any other of the 50 koreany players that are ACTUALLY better players than the American ones? BEcause if they were to create a region lock, the code A of korea should actually have a higher prize pool than the american premier one, it's sad to say, but it's actually the truth... Yes. Those guys can prove that they are better and earn more prize money via the global finals. What you're saying is not the truth, it's your opinion. Different things, sometimes. Soulkey, Jaedong, Innovation is on the same level as Kane, Goswser, and Demuslim? It really doesn't look like it from the competition that they are playing against.
Total agree.
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Residency at most. Citizenship is retarded. Players should be allowed to choose where they want to play if they are willing to commit and invest into it. The Koreans can just agree to have a team house somewhere in the region they want to play in.
I would not watch WCS NA or WCS EU if there are 0 Koreans in it. I watch the game for the quality of play, not for foreigner consolation matches. If foreigners want to get better, then train harder than the Koreans and rip carbon copy builds like they do. Some foreigners did that, and as a result competed at their level. Jinro worked his ass off and got to GSL semifinals. I'm not saying other foreigners don't also work their asses off, some damn well do, but a lot of Koreans work at least as hard as well as preparing retarded builds tailored for a single win on a single map. I forgot who it was, Ganzi or MMA, but someone in the GSL (I think Super Tournament) in a TvT brought out 2-3 sick cheeses designed just for the maps they played on. And people were talking about how Maru all ins the crap out of everyone.
If we restrict Koreans from distributing themselves around the world, then we get a bunch of foreigners who don't deserve to be at Blizzcon and getting the crap stomped out of the the instant they hit a Korean in the draw (only a few foreigners would be an exemption to this rule, and they have a fairly high chance of qualifying regardless of whether we enforce restrictions on tournament entry or not). You'd be giving some foreigner fans the delusion that player X is playing well and has a chance at winning Blizzcon against the Koreans, where he/she proceeds to get 2-0'd or 3-0'd by the first Korean they meet. The quality of play at Blizzcon would drop sharply until the round of 8 at least assuming none of the Koreans meet each other in the draw.
I mean, yes, it would be nice to have a place to grow local hopes. But for something as big as what WCS NA and WCS EU give you, that's NOT the tournament for it. This is one of the reasons the current WCS system should be scrapped in its entirety. It's just a bad system all around. You can never really please anyone, but with the current WCS system, everyone gets fucked over some way or another.
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Quite the resounding response in the polls. I wonder if Blizzard will take notice, I'd say its too hard as the poor Koreans in NA/EU (especially those that top8) will be pretty harshly knee-capped.
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You wouldn't need to worry about such a thing if you followed my format :V
A lot of these people suffer from tunnel vision and at the end of the day the format won't affect your viewership. If there is one thing Blizzard understood it's the fact that it's important to make sure skill is spread throughout. If North Americans don't get good repetitions in they'll only get further behind. They don't learn much from losing to run of the mill, average Koreans. You don't learn much when you get your 15 seconds of fame by playing only 2 to 3 sets either. Give them 20 kicks at the can. You already have 24 major tournaments scattered throughout a year. I recommend you use them.
On October 13 2013 04:29 Warcry wrote:
Definitely Residency, not citizenship
That's what they wanted in the first place. There are a lot of glaring issues with following a similar scheme to Riot's model, but most people don't know any better (they don't even follow the LoL scene). We need more forward-thinkers. ![[image loading]](http://emoticonhq.com/images/MSN/MSNsick.gif)
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