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On September 27 2013 00:34 j1nzo wrote:
i mean think about it- if the best football/basketball etc players were koreans, would we really wanna restrict their number and prevent us from watching the best play?
In Champions League not, but if there would be a world championship held, than certainly each country would build their team out of their players. And since this should be a world championship, europe/na and korea should each send their best players.
And in terms of fairness. Nobody out there says, in Brazil it's much more difficult to get into the football national team, so a brazil football player who don't make it there can play in the swiss national team because he is still better then swiss nationplayers. But that's exactly what is allowed in de WCS.
So imho this is no world championship, it's just a large tournament. I would prefer the system of 2012. Many torunaments like GSL, NASL, MLG, DH, IEM etc. and than one World Championship...
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I voted yes because it was the closest option to my opinion, but what I would like to see is:
RO32 onward should be completely offline and preferably more spread out. Any players that go through the qualification process and are able to attend should attend.
The Korean scene need more tournaments - OSL and GSL should be separate tournaments with some playoff to determine which players go on to the season finals to represent the Korean region (some weekend tournaments won't hurt, either)
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get rid of wcs korea, provide GSL/OSL with higher prize pool, and let their tournament be worth more WCS points. Fair? fair.
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On October 08 2013 13:48 superpanda27 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2013 15:42 BrowbeatSC2 wrote:
Okay... Voted "No".
1. We (the foreign community) went to Korea for years! Now, when we want to establish our own scene we suddenly say: "Fuck you, Koreans! Stay out! You are too good!" ?!
2. If you actually want restrictions, then I demand that the prize pools get changed. NA players only deserve half of what EU players deserve and those only deserve half of the Korean ones. See where this is getting? But otherwise it wouldn't really be fair. Fact: NA players suck heavily and Koreans rock.
3. We are dumping the prize pools effectively on our own aswell then... Less commercial income due to a lesser variety in play and less bigger names, leading to even less commercial income... the spiral goes on and on
4. As a viewer I highly appreciate good and neat play over "Americans need to win!!!111" or the fact, that some people apparently can't enjoy good play without saying "This is my man!/team!" as in other sports. (I see several problems in my last point... would take too long to explain accurately what I mean... I guess I could illustrate it with the stereotype of an US citizen, screaming "USA! USA! WE ARE THE BEST! FUCK THE REST!" but still thinking that some imaginary "something" created us humans and actually cares about us humans more than about every other collection of atoms in this universe/not caring about the fact that their government probably fucked human and war rights more often than every other country, but still yelling "We need to get rid of those muslims!" and so on (I guess you get my point. - And as I said, I was using stereotypes... I know that by far not every american is like this - but as I'm not a native english speaker, this was a very easy way to illustrate my point. :p 1. It's not that the foreign scene is saying the "get the fuck out" it's that their dominance is hurting the scene as a whole. Even in Korea, SC2 is not as popular as it once was. SC2 as compared to BW days, is even more global than it was. 2. A higher prize pool for the most competitive region would be best. That should be determined by how many of a region's players are in the top 16 of WCS points. Obviously that is overwhelmingly going to be in the Korean's favor. I don't disagree with this point. 3. I don't quite what you're getting at. However, big names will find a way to thrive if they want to stay big. What the scene needs is to propel new talent while also trying keep enough big names from falling. You want a variety in play, but I say a variety in players directly supports more variety in play. No matter if they are Korean or not. 4. This is a very subjective point. But you have to look at the base viewer, which is the casual viewer. That kind of viewer doesn't know or get what good and neat play is. They want to be entertained. When it comes that type of viewer it is easier relate to the player rather than having them fully understand how good that play is.
I know that my 4th point is subjective - as is basically my whole post as it is heavily influenced by my opinion. To explain what I meant with my 3rd point though:
Forbidding the REAL BIG NAMES like Innovation/Mvp/DRG to participate in european tournaments results in way less commercial income for the respective tournaments, as those players produce way more income than for example Goody.
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No. Region locking would turn WCS NA and EU into a joke. And it's not possible to run a creditable global tournament when WCS NA and EU are a joke.
No one has been able to explain how Blizzard can do a workable, creditable and fair WCS system if region locking is removed.
There are 2 options for a Blizzard-run WCS tournament:
1. Continue without region lock, like it is now (my preference).
2. End WCS NA and EU and move everyone over to WCS Korea. Other tournaments (not WCS-related) will have to fill the void left in NA and EU.
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First I was really upset with the system, because it allows Koreans to steal the seats from the foreigners by winning their wcs tournaments. But than I realized, that through this the quality of games in the wcs tournaments, in the season finals and at Blizzcon would be much higher with the best people of the world fighting against each other. That are sadly mostly
Koreans. I would love to cheer for more foreigners in the wcs finals, but I still voted for no.
I think the Koreans competing in other regions wcs tournaments should think about that by their own, I personally think its kind of sad that they are avoiding the high lvl competition in wcs Korea, by just fleeing from it and competing in other regions.
EDIT: I agree on a opinion posted before, Korea should get two main tournaments with wcs seats.
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On October 11 2013 01:18 Akaann wrote:And in terms of fairness. Nobody out there says, in Brazil it's much more difficult to get into the football national team, so a brazil football player who don't make it there can play in the swiss national team because he is still better then swiss nationplayers. But that's exactly what is allowed in de WCS.
Except WCS isn't like the world cup, that's WCG. I think WCS is more like the continental tournaments, and WCS Global Finals are the club's world cup.
In your example a brazilian player can go from his country to Switzerland, dominate, get signed to stronger teams, and end up playing the Champion's League (WCS Europe) instead of Copa Libertadores (WCS America), and if he does well in any of these he'll reach Club's World Cup (WCS Global).
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On September 27 2013 02:27 elmoDD wrote:
I won't be watching WCS EU/NA anymore if the Koreans continue to dominate
Just like I won't watch any Starcraft if it features two B-tier foreigners. Games like HasuObs vs. Happy from a recent challenger league make me want to never open a tournament stream again.
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i would love to have a NORTH AMERICAN CHAMPION
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Well having koreans in EU/NA is nice. But I truly understand the frustration of NA players who cant cheer for an NA player when ro16 is coming, sometimes RO32. I think limited spot in premier for KOR is the best choice. Cause we love KOR too :D! Like Polt in WCS NA or MMA in EU seems legit to me
And a higher prize pool for WCS KR is an absolute obligation! Nopbody will care about that cause its totally legit. Higher lvl of play = more money.
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Having Koreans in NA and EU makes the NA/EU players practice more and I think it's paying off. Some people in NA/EU are getting on par with Koreans playing at that region. Before when WCS started, it's just pure Korean domination on those regions but now, there are some foreigners who're getting on ro8 and ro4. They just need to practice a bit more so they can win their region.
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It's really upsetting how some of you have so little knowledge and confidence in the EU scene. Failing to see how many amazing players we have and who they are, is worse than anything I can imagine, and it breaks my heart.
That said, I would vote for residency; players like MC, Stardust, ForGG, MMA, maybe DuckDuck if he stays at SK, etc should be able to stay in WCS EU.
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Definitely Residency, not citizenship
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On September 27 2013 02:27 elmoDD wrote:
I won't be watching WCS EU/NA anymore if the Koreans continue to dominate
The racism and xenophobia is strong in this one, sadly he's not a minority.
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Tournaments should be the best of the best, period.
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Hope it's a residency requirement. I wouldn't mind if more players were able to do like forgg and polt, and move to another region and live there for the entire duration of the season. That way it's a lot like how it works in other sports leagues, where players often move to another region to play in a certain league (Like moving to Europe to play in Champions League in football)
Also hope that all premier league games are played offline in the future. Not sure if its a possibility tho. Would be sick!
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On October 13 2013 11:12 Khai wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 02:27 elmoDD wrote:
I won't be watching WCS EU/NA anymore if the Koreans continue to dominate The racism and xenophobia is strong in this one, sadly he's not a minority.
That's neither racism nor xenophobia. o_O
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On September 26 2013 20:38 thimius wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2013 15:15 Oiseaux wrote:
I already know who the strong koreans are. If I want to see them I'll watch GSL. I want to see strong NA players. Do you also think its fair that Kane, Goswser and Demuslim could end up winning the same prize money as say...Soulkey, Jaedong, Innovation, Rain and any other of the 50 koreany players that are ACTUALLY better players than the American ones? BEcause if they were to create a region lock, the code A of korea should actually have a higher prize pool than the american premier one, it's sad to say, but it's actually the truth...
Yes. Those guys can prove that they are better and earn more prize money via the global finals. What you're saying is not the truth, it's your opinion. Different things, sometimes.
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On October 12 2013 10:50 HyJynX wrote:
i would love to have a NORTH AMERICAN CHAMPION
If they can't compete against a Code A Korean or, heaven forbid, a round of 32 code S player, they aren't really a champion and everyone knows it. To be the best you have to beat the best.
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On October 15 2013 22:36 yocheco619 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2013 10:50 HyJynX wrote:
i would love to have a NORTH AMERICAN CHAMPION If they can't compete against a Code A Korean or, heaven forbid, a round of 32 code S player, they aren't really a champion and everyone knows it. To be the best you have to beat the best.
No, this is not correct. In order to crown a North American Champion, you will have to have a tournament with only North Americans in it, where the best North American has beaten the best North America has to offer. It has absolutely nothing to do with Korea, Brazil or Sweden for that matter. 
FYI - Sweden had a National Championship (in connection with DH this summer). Naniwa beat ThorZain and took the crown as the "King in the North".
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