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On September 29 2013 09:43 pookums wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2013 19:44 Cyroch wrote:
1. If foreigners would only play amongst themselves for the whole year, I think it is possible to see an overall decrease in foreign skill.
I don't understand this line of thinking? Is the assumption that the handful of official WCS matches against Koreans are making foreigners better?
My reasoning behind this is that the Koreans in all regions keep the competition on a high level, thus increasing motivation of foreign players as well as the need to always bring your very best game. This would not necessarily be the case without Korean competition. Of course, this is just a hypothesis and I have now proof whatsoever for this assumption.
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On September 26 2013 15:15 Oiseaux wrote:
I already know who the strong koreans are. If I want to see them I'll watch GSL. I want to see strong NA players.
well that is impossible as there is Scarlett.... and that's it
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Give it a try just for the sake of experimenting. Let those who want to see how the season evolves under a true region-locked system. Let's see if this is the solution to gain more viewers.
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On September 29 2013 18:23 Cyroch wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2013 09:43 pookums wrote:On September 26 2013 19:44 Cyroch wrote:
1. If foreigners would only play amongst themselves for the whole year, I think it is possible to see an overall decrease in foreign skill.
I don't understand this line of thinking? Is the assumption that the handful of official WCS matches against Koreans are making foreigners better? My reasoning behind this is that the Koreans in all regions keep the competition on a high level, thus increasing motivation of foreign players as well as the need to always bring your very best game. This would not necessarily be the case without Korean competition. Of course, this is just a hypothesis and I have now proof whatsoever for this assumption.
Yeah but foreigners can't win those games since they can't practice against Koreans since all the Koreans live in Korea. With region lock Koreans would move to NA and EU and increase the overall skill level of those servers.
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Residency yes, citizenship no
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On September 29 2013 19:20 Cheren wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2013 18:23 Cyroch wrote:On September 29 2013 09:43 pookums wrote:On September 26 2013 19:44 Cyroch wrote:
1. If foreigners would only play amongst themselves for the whole year, I think it is possible to see an overall decrease in foreign skill.
I don't understand this line of thinking? Is the assumption that the handful of official WCS matches against Koreans are making foreigners better? My reasoning behind this is that the Koreans in all regions keep the competition on a high level, thus increasing motivation of foreign players as well as the need to always bring your very best game. This would not necessarily be the case without Korean competition. Of course, this is just a hypothesis and I have now proof whatsoever for this assumption. Yeah but foreigners can't win those games since they can't practice against Koreans since all the Koreans live in Korea. With region lock Koreans would move to NA and EU and increase the overall skill level of those servers.
Still, most of them ladder in the region they're playing in. If a lock would mean Koreans would actually move to live in the region they're playing in, then I am all for it. But I fear a lot of them would just go back to play in Korea.
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If they didn't have residency requirements, why not just hold a series of online tournaments? It isn't really standardized right now, because WCS KR has a residency requirement, whereas the other two regions don't.
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Region lock = Killing Sc2 in Korea, and only people left playing will be the Europeans.
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On September 26 2013 14:19 Zenbrez wrote:
I'm still undecided. Despite what some people say, WCS NA would not be better (for the viewers) if it was largely NA players. I don't think most of the koreans currently in the league would move over here for a year.
I find the current player pool very interesting, and would certainly not watch without the koreans and chinese players.
At this point I don't think WCS NA should be about viewership, and should be more about building the NA scene. People are going to watch regardless, Sure some may not tune in but whatevs.
LCS seems to do just fine, and look at the hype for the finals. the NA/Foreign teams got smoked, yet the scene will still thrive because story lines were built around peoples favorite players/teams. This needs to happen for SC2 in North America, other wise we will just have 3 Korean WCS tournaments and the NA scene will wither away
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On September 29 2013 19:12 LeviathanDK wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2013 15:15 Oiseaux wrote:
I already know who the strong koreans are. If I want to see them I'll watch GSL. I want to see strong NA players. well that is impossible as there is Scarlett.... and that's it
And she would not qualify as she lives in Korea right? So she wouldnt even be able to play in WCS NA. . .
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NA /EU players don't deserve 20k $ if they can't beat koreans
It'd be boring too
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If it means 2 crap leagues and a good GSL, I'm all for it. However, I'm afraid many koreans would retire without the free $ from wcs.eu/am :[
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Basically no other individual tournaments in Korea apart from WCS, add region locking would likely cause a mass retiring of Koreans. Also since Acer has a team house in Europe for example what would stop them just moving the Ax-Acer team there., then you'd just have Koreans competing in WCS EU and people would complain. The level of competition is just better with more Koreans.
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On September 29 2013 21:07 Cyroch wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2013 19:20 Cheren wrote:On September 29 2013 18:23 Cyroch wrote:On September 29 2013 09:43 pookums wrote:On September 26 2013 19:44 Cyroch wrote:
1. If foreigners would only play amongst themselves for the whole year, I think it is possible to see an overall decrease in foreign skill.
I don't understand this line of thinking? Is the assumption that the handful of official WCS matches against Koreans are making foreigners better? My reasoning behind this is that the Koreans in all regions keep the competition on a high level, thus increasing motivation of foreign players as well as the need to always bring your very best game. This would not necessarily be the case without Korean competition. Of course, this is just a hypothesis and I have now proof whatsoever for this assumption. Yeah but foreigners can't win those games since they can't practice against Koreans since all the Koreans live in Korea. With region lock Koreans would move to NA and EU and increase the overall skill level of those servers. Still, most of them ladder in the region they're playing in. If a lock would mean Koreans would actually move to live in the region they're playing in, then I am all for it. But I fear a lot of them would just go back to play in Korea.
I think you're extremely mistaken. If this was the case we wouldn't have so many NA pros laddering on the KR ladder
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Of course not. WCS NA/EU would be unwatchable. How many people watch WCS for Americans & Europeans ? It's like restricting NBA to white people - without black one this game would suck. It's good for competition if Koreans can play in WCS EU/NA. Foreigners must try to win it their way, not beg blizzard for easier way...Just train harder & be better then Koreans...
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No! Their format is fine. They just have to make sure these non-residents have the means and already have proper papers to come to the LAN events. No questionable people.
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....Nonsens
I want the better players. "Affirmative action" for NA and EU players would be silly: the competition will lose value and interest.
The problem is still korean. There is way to many players with kespa players. Blizzard should organize few more events in korea (with WCS korea, its worst than before there).
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Yes. With Koreans split up, each of the three regions will just feel kinda half assed, not worth watching over GSL or any other tournament where Koreans are more focused. The finals will be a mixture of top koreans and mediocre koreans that went through other regions. Also not as good as GSL. With foreigners guaranteed spots, it would make WCS Korea really good, and the finals would also be kinda interesting in its own way. Most of the WCS finals spots should be given to Korea if this were to happen. I still want to see the best compete with the best.
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It'll be like the American Soccer league (now USL Pro or something), that no one gives a crap about cuz the competition is so shitty.
So I vote no, let the koreans be where they want to be, at least the games that I do watch are better.
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I like region lock to be abl to see what european players is best and what American player is best. However to keep the current format would be unfair for the koreans. Since they just much better then the EU and AM players.I like how the do it in the Champions Lueuge.
Each country gets a certain amount of spots earned by how they preforme. For example England gets 4 Championslueuge spots well Netherlands only gets one.
So fro example region finals could have 10 from kr region 3 from eu 3 from na. Should adjust the WCS points for each region after finding out what the right balance is. We stil have great tournaments like dh and iem where every nationallity can compete.
People like polt, mc, who live study in the region should be allowed to play in region where they live.
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EPT
