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FlukyS
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Ireland485 Posts
September 26 2013 17:36 GMT
#21
All premier league matches should be offline.
Kevin_Sorbo
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada3217 Posts
September 26 2013 18:56 GMT
#22
On September 27 2013 02:27 elmoDD wrote:
I won't be watching WCS EU/NA anymore if the Koreans continue to dominate

you know it wouldnt be that good of a show without them dont you?
The mind is like a parachute, it doesnt work unless its open. - Zappa
c0olL
Profile Joined November 2012
129 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-26 19:22:18
September 26 2013 19:21 GMT
#23
well, i want teaja, mvp, mc and the dong in code S, so yea.
dont really care about this EU\NA thing...
polarwolf
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
924 Posts
September 26 2013 19:38 GMT
#24
I voted "no" because the game is about skill, and if there is such a surplus of talent from Korea that they can dominate the other WCS regions, so be it.
If there was a region lock, it would be unfair for the Koreans as their league would be much more competetive and not comparable to the other 2 regions, in which players would need much less skill to earn the same amout of money and fame.

Fus
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1112 Posts
September 26 2013 19:43 GMT
#25
No because i want to see more korean vs foreigner action
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Sated
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
England4983 Posts
September 26 2013 20:20 GMT
#26
--- Nuked ---
Sjokola
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands800 Posts
September 26 2013 21:01 GMT
#27
With region lock there's still the season finals for the Koreans to pick up most of the prize money and wcs points. And we'll still have Dreamhacks, IEM's and MLG's to let Koreans sweep up most of the prizes.
NKB
Profile Joined February 2012
United Kingdom608 Posts
September 26 2013 21:06 GMT
#28
The few times I watch WCS NA depends on which Koreans are playing, wouldn't really watch it unless there were players I wanted to watch.
Some times you just gotta wish...
RuiBarbO
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
United States1340 Posts
September 26 2013 21:29 GMT
#29
I think residency makes sense. It's a weird aspect of online competitions that it's physically possible for people to compete across very very large distances. If we want to make the SC2 scene feel more like traditional competitions---or like Korean BW---then requiring a person competing in a region to live in that region---or at least be in that region when they play their WCS games---seems like an obvious move. Exceptions could be made for players who live outside the main WCS regions.
Can someone please explain/how water falls with no rain?
Jerom
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands588 Posts
September 26 2013 22:54 GMT
#30
Imo the non-korean scene has such a low skill level that it isn't fun to watch at all. After all the most important thing is the play that we get to see. I wouldn't watch the WCS NA if it were only North American players, that's just a bit lame.
LittleRedBoy
Profile Joined April 2011
United States229 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-26 23:34:46
September 26 2013 23:34 GMT
#31
I don't really care about the skill level of the players so much; I'd rather watch players who I actually care to follow. My favorite groups to watch are ones with both Koreans and foreigners. If a group has four Koreans then I probably won't watch it unless there are players in the group who I want to see play.
FoShao
Profile Joined November 2012
United States256 Posts
September 27 2013 01:31 GMT
#32
I feel like I wouldn't watch EU or NA if there weren't any koreans, We all know ro8 KR will be the ro8 at regional finals :x
KaiserKieran
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States615 Posts
September 27 2013 02:13 GMT
#33
Offline year round please.
Then there
Wouldn't really be restrictions on citizen ships since it'd be just like a tournament.
jax1492
Profile Joined November 2009
United States1632 Posts
September 27 2013 02:57 GMT
#34
there is no point in having regions if there are no rules ....
jinsanity
Profile Joined July 2012
United States137 Posts
September 27 2013 03:16 GMT
#35
dun wanna watch players that are bad.
r u ez?
Incand
Profile Joined November 2012
143 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-27 03:18:34
September 27 2013 03:18 GMT
#36
I think some sort of restriction or region lock would be a good idea but not one based on nationallity or even residency.
The best alternative I've heard so far was from State of the game where someone suggested ladder would be used as qualification for challenger league (with some checks to shoutcraft america obviously).

That way players become invested in the region and provide valuable practice partners and raise the overall skill level of the r
Region. Furthermore it doesn´'t hurt or even punish players outside a region that may be grouped in somewhat arbitrary.
As it is now it feel like koreans win the tournament but isn't invested in the region only making the rest of the players get even further behind unless they commit to korea. In the long term i hope it will lead to the na scene being to support itself more in the long run having players that can compete.

If instead we had a complete regionlock i feel one concern would be viewer number. Having a few of those koreans in there makes for good games and everyone wants to watch high quality games while still cheering for the local hero. And while I assumed it would enable more foreign pros to make a living i think it would be a temporary effects as the two other regions would fall further behind and the best scene imo is one where they're somewhat comparable. i.e. the people from other regions won't just get completely crushed in the season finaly.
Darthsanta13
Profile Joined July 2011
United States564 Posts
September 27 2013 03:38 GMT
#37
I really do want residency locks of some sort for WCS. It's just not interesting watching NA/EU players get constantly beat down by 2nd tier Koreans. Players like Polt or ForGG who live in and support the regions they play in are fine to me. I wouldn't consider them foreigners or anything but they definitely help grow the foreign scene by being a part of it. But I also recognize that it would open up a whole new set of problems for players who don't have a dedicated region. I think EU can probably support itself pretty well without any "Korean Koreans" but I think AM is lacking in depth a bit. Turning AM into a sort of "melting pot" region acting as a catch-all for all the SEA/CN etc. players would actually probably end up being a pretty interesting mix of players though.

I think having more opportunites for Korean players to show their stuff is pretty important too. Whether that's opening up another Korean WCS league (GSL/OSL running concurrently?) or just making the player pool for WCS Korea much larger (even having twice as large would leave a lot of Koreans looking in from the outside). It would allow the fringe Code S players to get a little more exposure and money to live off of.
Nirel
Profile Joined September 2011
Israel1526 Posts
September 27 2013 04:42 GMT
#38
All I know is that if they make it citizenship lock, it will be very depressing watching WCS KR,and the others would be quite boring. maybe residency lock would be ok but I can't help but feel we're going to more players with Violet type problems.
On the other hand WCS NA doesn't really feel NA so I voted not sure, maybe it's best if they could change the system and not just region locking.
TJ31
Profile Joined October 2012
630 Posts
September 27 2013 05:06 GMT
#39
No. I won't have any reason to watch a single NA or EU game that way. Our regions are on completely different level and I do not enjoy watching "full foreigner vs full foreigner" games at all.

Also that will make season finals so much worse. Now there's a chance for awesome games starting from the group stage. If more foreigners will be there... Well, see season 1 and 2 finals. Your average foreigners were stomped 0:5(1:10), and only 2 more or less good foreigners advanced.
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
September 27 2013 07:30 GMT
#40
On September 26 2013 15:15 Oiseaux wrote:
I already know who the strong koreans are. If I want to see them I'll watch GSL. I want to see strong NA players.

That's the problem - there arent't 32 or even 8 "strong" NA players
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