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HeadlessWonder
Profile Joined January 2013
United States1096 Posts
September 27 2013 22:04 GMT
#61
If the highest quality of games is what people are really after, you should be arguing for getting rid of wcs altogether. The highest quality of games would involve sending Taeja, Jaedong, Alive etc. back to Korea to compete in GSL, not beating on AM players and lesser Koreans.

I preferred WCS 2012 a lot more, would be perfect imo if they leveled out the seeding more (as in, each country sends X to regional finals, each region sends X to World Finals. Not "you get 3 and you get 9 and you get 1 etc)

Sure, it wouldn't be the best players. But isn't WCS meant to grow the world scene?
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Sjokola
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands800 Posts
September 27 2013 23:20 GMT
#62
Citizenship or residency would get my vote. That way if players from eg-tl train in Korean they can still qualify fir their own region. And if you move to another country you could qualify there. They did this with TSL4 qualifiers iirc.

And if we would have region locked wcs am we would get to see new American talent. There's no way to break out via wcs AM this way.

We also have to understand that this is a site for dedicated star craft fans. Off course a lot of forum goers here want only to see the best sc. But that's not how you become an e-sport. I believe most casuals don't care to much about kr vs kr battles in wcs am. But seeing your local heroes duke it out vs players from all around the world 3 times a year would be great. And for the people who want to only see the best games: a region lock would make wcs korea even more stacked resulting in better games.
omisa
Profile Joined January 2011
United States494 Posts
September 28 2013 01:29 GMT
#63
I think they should try it. I have seen a lot of complaints about it, so why not try it and see if it works out better.

Personally I like watching koreans play starcraft so having them play in all the leagues dosent really bother me too much. I can, however, see why having koreans beat up on everyone else might not be much fun for others to sit and watch for multiple seasons.
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Survivor61316
Profile Joined July 2012
United States470 Posts
September 28 2013 03:16 GMT
#64
Lol Polt would be the automatic champion for WCS NA..they could just pencil him into first place and let him stay in Texas to study
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TaishiCi
Profile Joined September 2013
Korea (South)211 Posts
September 28 2013 04:34 GMT
#65
I voted no, but if it means 80% of the money goes to Korea I would be for the region lock.

For everyone that is trying to disguise their xenophobia through bullshit reasons, just know that Koreans leaving EU/NA WCS would mean the gap will continue to grow even larger than before.
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DusTerr
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
2520 Posts
September 28 2013 08:39 GMT
#66
Just name it Blizzard Championship Series "West", "North/Central" and "East".

Play only 2 seasons and have more local/lan/regional tournaments. As much as I've loved having WCS to watch, I feel like it dominates everything but the occasional DH/IEM.
scares
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany239 Posts
September 28 2013 10:30 GMT
#67
On September 28 2013 17:39 DusTerr wrote:
Just name it Blizzard Championship Series "West", "North/Central" and "East".

Play only 2 seasons and have more local/lan/regional tournaments. As much as I've loved having WCS to watch, I feel like it dominates everything but the occasional DH/IEM.


Or make WCS team focused and bring back the many "smaller" or whatever you want to call them events and make one huge push for blizzcon as the blizz individual tournament or something (if needed at all).

Just an idea maybe it's crap but I think a team league as constant content would be kinda cool and you could then keep having lots of iem, dreamhack, redbull, MLG, chinese things (NSL i think was one) and maybe also some korean events aside from gsl (even though just having everyone back in gsl would also be cool with stuff like the super tournament)

just an idea though.
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borussia1871
Profile Joined July 2013
Belgium23 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-28 12:44:49
September 28 2013 12:43 GMT
#68
When I'm watching WCS Europe, I want to see a championship between European to know who is best. Not to see a third Korean championship...
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Luiwtf
Profile Joined January 2011
England217 Posts
September 28 2013 13:28 GMT
#69
Personally I don't care about NA/EU players, I'd prefer it if we just had GSL back where all the best players played against each other. If that involves region locking/reduced prize pools/reduced global finals spots for NA/EU I don't really care I just want to see all the best players play against each other again in a GSL style format (ie not how the global finals are with a bunch of bad players mixed in with the best and a couple hours prep time, and not how WCS KR is with ALMOST all the good players).

The way it is currently I don't really care about WCS KR because it's missing certain players, I don't care about NA/EU because it's mostly bad players and I don't care about the global finals because of the lack of prep time and inclusion of bad players/lack of better players from WCS KR.
Janko
Profile Joined September 2010
Slovenia28 Posts
September 28 2013 13:48 GMT
#70
Did Blizzard ever indicate that this could actually happen?
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TheHansBecker
Profile Joined February 2011
United States117 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-28 15:39:53
September 28 2013 15:39 GMT
#71
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Jonoman92
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States9105 Posts
September 28 2013 17:40 GMT
#72
I probably still wouldn't watch sc2 theses days. But yeah, imo there should be a citizenship requirement like the Olympics but instead of every country, it's split into continents/areas.
rpddropshot
Profile Joined March 2011
United States82 Posts
September 28 2013 20:35 GMT
#73
On September 28 2013 07:04 HeadlessWonder wrote:
If the highest quality of games is what people are really after, you should be arguing for getting rid of wcs altogether. The highest quality of games would involve sending Taeja, Jaedong, Alive etc. back to Korea to compete in GSL, not beating on AM players and lesser Koreans.


Exactly. You can't have one true premier league if you already have 3 premier leagues.
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glaresc
Profile Joined April 2012
31 Posts
September 28 2013 20:42 GMT
#74
Are you guys crazy, the only reason some of the korean pro gamers are still competing is because they can play in NA or EU wcs , if you do this restriction you're killing sc2
desRow
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2654 Posts
September 28 2013 21:41 GMT
#75
On September 26 2013 19:06 KristofferAG wrote:
Not sure. I would never watch NA, and probably never watch EU either. The prize pools would have to be changed, I don't see why the NA winner would get the same as KR winner, for example.


Dat elitist attitude. Take a look at the current LCS format and the winning recipe.

Personally I think WCS KR needs to die and go back to OSL/GSL and make it Tier 1.
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pookums
Profile Joined December 2010
151 Posts
September 29 2013 00:43 GMT
#76
On September 26 2013 19:44 Cyroch wrote:

1. If foreigners would only play amongst themselves for the whole year, I think it is possible to see an overall decrease in foreign skill.



I don't understand this line of thinking? Is the assumption that the handful of official WCS matches against Koreans are making foreigners better?
astray71
Profile Joined February 2012
United States325 Posts
September 29 2013 00:58 GMT
#77
If there were no Koreans in WCS NA or WCS EU, I would never even pay attention to the two regions. You guys all say that people from North America should be the only ones who compete in WCS NA, but if you were given the choice watch some random up and coming player or go out to the movies, I would obviously go the to movies. I may check up on the stats afterwards, but 99.9% of the time, I wouldn't even go watch the vods for their game.

Sure there are people who you will watch (Huk, Demuslim, etc etc) but those are probably going to be the only games you'll watch. People complain about the number of Koreans but the quality of games will go drastically down if it's only Americans.

Plus, what happens at all the season finals? Everyone from WCS NA gets trashed in the ro16. What happens at Blizzcon? All of the NA people that qualified get kicked around again. It makes perfect sense to not region lock. They get more viewers with high level Koreans spread out in the tournaments. Also, do you really think all of the players from NA should get to go to Blizzcon when their level of play is barely high enough to beat Code B level Koreans?
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tomastaz
Profile Joined January 2013
United States976 Posts
September 29 2013 01:30 GMT
#78
I don't know...I like seeing certain Korean players there but I agree there are too many there, but you can't just only let a few in and prevent the others. Conflicted.
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Cheren
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
United States2911 Posts
September 29 2013 03:59 GMT
#79
Yes, and the level of skill won't go down because you'll have Korean players move to NA/EU (like Polt, ForGG and Stardust already have) which will increase the level of practice you get on the NA/EU server.

On September 29 2013 10:30 tomastaz wrote:
I don't know...I like seeing certain Korean players there but I agree there are too many there, but you can't just only let a few in and prevent the others. Conflicted.


That's exactly what a region lock would do, let in the Koreans who are willing to move and keep out the others.
WightyCity
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada887 Posts
September 29 2013 04:08 GMT
#80
personally, I like the old system. I remember watching my favorite players playing from each region and loving the finals. Now I almost never watch unless its actually someone trying to save their regions from outsiders, be it europe korea or america
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