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On October 02 2013 12:51 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2013 12:48 Holyflare wrote:
Risen, in a game of 9 players in which I know nothing about any of the players there is no better system to accept straight off than RNG. Obviously there are ways to get my attention drawn to other people, however, in a 'world heavyweight championship' as you so lovingly pointed out, is it really going to be that obvious when people screw up? I think not. Like I said in my original post, however, I am open to peoples opinions on other players.
You could read people's posts and judge them by that? Seems to be a pretty common way to vote.
Did you not just jump on my post for saying 'reasonable for now' and the rest of it pretty much asking about other people? Or are you taking care to ignore everything I have been writing. Of course I am open to peoples posting and habits, that's why I asked for you to tell me what you know about other people which you have still neglected to do.
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On October 02 2013 12:52 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2013 12:51 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 02 2013 12:48 Holyflare wrote:
Risen, in a game of 9 players in which I know nothing about any of the players there is no better system to accept straight off than RNG. Obviously there are ways to get my attention drawn to other people, however, in a 'world heavyweight championship' as you so lovingly pointed out, is it really going to be that obvious when people screw up? I think not. Like I said in my original post, however, I am open to peoples opinions on other players.
except that we have 48 hours to find scum and its only 2/9 chance that we get scum. And probably another 4/9 that we hit an obvious townie that is obvious town after 48 hours. Now its not so useful is it? Do you even read what is posted? Show nested quote +On October 02 2013 12:18 Blazinghand wrote:
Also to all the RNG doubters: RNG has a 2/7 chance of hitting scum today! Not 2/9 as you might think. Why is that?
Well, first off, I'm talking to people who aren't Oats and are town. You personally know that of the 8 non-you players, 2 are scum. So you'd think it would be a 2/8 chance of an RNG hitting scum. Pretty lame right? WRONG. If the RNG is on the doctor and the lynch starts to gather steam, he'll surely claim. This means that the doctor isn't even in the lynch pool, and we can roll again for a new RNG. this means we can discount one town player from our odds, meaning that you have a 2/7 (over 30%!) chance of lynching scum with RNG!
So with this RNG lynch, we can lose our power roles day 1! Yeah that sounds awesome to get a slightly increased chance to lynch scum day 1.
Also that 2/8 thing is bullshit, because the lynch could be anyone of us therefore its 2/9.
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I don't have a problem with RNG to generate discussion, I have a problem with calling it reasonable. Policy anything isn't very reasonable. I didn't understand his post and thought he could manipulate it. I was wrong, but I still don't know how he got his number. The # sign in the top right of his post goes to the absolute what how? He says top left, but there's nothing there. Meta is a bad way to play mafia. I hate meta. People are aware of their "metas". Asking someone to give you people's metas means you aren't objectively looking at people's posting style, you're looking at them through a filter. And stifle discussion? I haven't stifled anything.
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On October 02 2013 12:54 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2013 12:52 Holyflare wrote:On October 02 2013 12:51 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 02 2013 12:48 Holyflare wrote:
Risen, in a game of 9 players in which I know nothing about any of the players there is no better system to accept straight off than RNG. Obviously there are ways to get my attention drawn to other people, however, in a 'world heavyweight championship' as you so lovingly pointed out, is it really going to be that obvious when people screw up? I think not. Like I said in my original post, however, I am open to peoples opinions on other players.
except that we have 48 hours to find scum and its only 2/9 chance that we get scum. And probably another 4/9 that we hit an obvious townie that is obvious town after 48 hours. Now its not so useful is it? Do you even read what is posted? On October 02 2013 12:18 Blazinghand wrote:
Also to all the RNG doubters: RNG has a 2/7 chance of hitting scum today! Not 2/9 as you might think. Why is that?
Well, first off, I'm talking to people who aren't Oats and are town. You personally know that of the 8 non-you players, 2 are scum. So you'd think it would be a 2/8 chance of an RNG hitting scum. Pretty lame right? WRONG. If the RNG is on the doctor and the lynch starts to gather steam, he'll surely claim. This means that the doctor isn't even in the lynch pool, and we can roll again for a new RNG. this means we can discount one town player from our odds, meaning that you have a 2/7 (over 30%!) chance of lynching scum with RNG! So with this RNG lynch, we can lose our power roles day 1! Yeah that sounds awesome to get a slightly increased chance to lynch scum day 1. Also that 2/8 thing is bullshit, because the lynch could be anyone of us therefore its 2/9.
Right, but from the point of view of a town player, 2 of the 8 non-you players was scum. If the RNG landed on me I'd simply not support it.
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On October 02 2013 13:03 Risen wrote:
I don't have a problem with RNG to generate discussion, I have a problem with calling it reasonable. Policy anything isn't very reasonable. I didn't understand his post and thought he could manipulate it. I was wrong, but I still don't know how he got his number. The # sign in the top right of his post goes to the absolute what how? He says top left, but there's nothing there. Meta is a bad way to play mafia. I hate meta. People are aware of their "metas". Asking someone to give you people's metas means you aren't objectively looking at people's posting style, you're looking at them through a filter. And stifle discussion? I haven't stifled anything.
Top right, whatever, you get the idea. Right click the # button in the top right of the post. come on man can't you find the #
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On October 02 2013 12:51 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2013 12:50 Holyflare wrote:On October 02 2013 12:41 Oatsmaster wrote:
##vote holyflare
Yeah I didnt roll scum!!!!!!!!
Man that first post.
On October 02 2013 12:44 Oatsmaster wrote:
Also I think BH might be scum because there is no reason to RNG in a 9 player mini and he was just trying to emulate his behavior from last game. So you think that BH is scum but don't vote him. That's a good stance. I think you and BH are scum.
Laughable, like your play this game.
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19888143
You're clearly reaching when you say Risen's post "this is normal" at the start of the game refers to RNG. He obviously doesn't like RNG in any way (as his been made clear in our interactions recently). And, even if he did somehow change his mind on RNG or contradict himself, what's in it for scum? It's not like he said he was pro-RNG, THEN I RNGed Oats, then he backtracked. That would be one thing. But that's not what happened. I don't see how that's indicative of Risen's alignment at all. He's probably just noting it's a normal mini.
In any case, Risen is either bad or scum for jumping down your throat so hard for playing the newb card. Playing the newb card is a dumb strat, and the kind of thing scum like to do, but at the same time it's the kind of stupid think that an actual newbie might do. The solution is obviously to draw you into a conversation rather than to just vote you. Risen loses points for this.
It seems to me you decided to call Risen scum THEN analyzed it, rather than the other way around.
Really when I think about it I still want to lynch Oats, beyond just the RNG. His decision to OMGUS and throw suspicion on me is pretty retarded, and though I could see a town oats (since oats is an irrational player) doing something like that out of spite and misery, this is more likely to come from scum who's just pissed to be nailed by RNG. I'm gonna stick with my vote on him for now.
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On October 02 2013 13:03 Risen wrote:
I don't have a problem with RNG to generate discussion, I have a problem with calling it reasonable. Policy anything isn't very reasonable. I didn't understand his post and thought he could manipulate it. I was wrong, but I still don't know how he got his number. The # sign in the top right of his post goes to the absolute what how? He says top left, but there's nothing there. Meta is a bad way to play mafia. I hate meta. People are aware of their "metas". Asking someone to give you people's metas means you aren't objectively looking at people's posting style, you're looking at them through a filter. And stifle discussion? I haven't stifled anything.
If you think RNGing to generate discussion and calling it reasonable / pushing your RNG target aren't the same thing, you're wrong wrong wrong
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On October 02 2013 13:05 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2013 12:51 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 02 2013 12:50 Holyflare wrote:On October 02 2013 12:41 Oatsmaster wrote:
##vote holyflare
Yeah I didnt roll scum!!!!!!!!
Man that first post.
On October 02 2013 12:44 Oatsmaster wrote:
Also I think BH might be scum because there is no reason to RNG in a 9 player mini and he was just trying to emulate his behavior from last game. So you think that BH is scum but don't vote him. That's a good stance. I think you and BH are scum. Laughable, like your play this game.
lol so I call someone you think is scummy too scum, and I have laughable play? Proposing a RNG lynch is totally not laughable. Totally not.
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On October 02 2013 13:10 Blazinghand wrote:
Really when I think about it I still want to lynch Oats, beyond just the RNG. His decision to OMGUS and throw suspicion on me is pretty retarded, and though I could see a town oats (since oats is an irrational player) doing something like that out of spite and misery, this is more likely to come from scum who's just pissed to be nailed by RNG. I'm gonna stick with my vote on him for now.
What the fuck BH?
Where did I say you were bad in the post I called you scummy in?
This post makes no sense.
None.
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On October 02 2013 13:14 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2013 13:05 Blazinghand wrote:On October 02 2013 12:51 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 02 2013 12:50 Holyflare wrote:On October 02 2013 12:41 Oatsmaster wrote:
##vote holyflare
Yeah I didnt roll scum!!!!!!!!
Man that first post.
On October 02 2013 12:44 Oatsmaster wrote:
Also I think BH might be scum because there is no reason to RNG in a 9 player mini and he was just trying to emulate his behavior from last game. So you think that BH is scum but don't vote him. That's a good stance. I think you and BH are scum. Laughable, like your play this game. lol so I call someone you think is scummy too scum, and I have laughable play? Proposing a RNG lynch is totally not laughable. Totally not.
you're literally claiming that I am scum because I proposed RNG in another game (AS TOWN) that had a different setup. AS TOWN.
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On October 02 2013 13:15 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2013 13:10 Blazinghand wrote:
Really when I think about it I still want to lynch Oats, beyond just the RNG. His decision to OMGUS and throw suspicion on me is pretty retarded, and though I could see a town oats (since oats is an irrational player) doing something like that out of spite and misery, this is more likely to come from scum who's just pissed to be nailed by RNG. I'm gonna stick with my vote on him for now. What the fuck BH? Where did I say you were bad in the post I called you scummy in? This post makes no sense. None.
What's your read on Risen?
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Stifling discussion is top scum play for calling someone scummy when they are being agressive and shit.
Holyflare is the right lynch!.
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On October 02 2013 13:15 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2013 13:15 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 02 2013 13:10 Blazinghand wrote:
Really when I think about it I still want to lynch Oats, beyond just the RNG. His decision to OMGUS and throw suspicion on me is pretty retarded, and though I could see a town oats (since oats is an irrational player) doing something like that out of spite and misery, this is more likely to come from scum who's just pissed to be nailed by RNG. I'm gonna stick with my vote on him for now. What the fuck BH? Where did I say you were bad in the post I called you scummy in? This post makes no sense. None. What's your read on Risen?
null ~~ town
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On October 02 2013 13:16 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2013 13:15 Blazinghand wrote:On October 02 2013 13:15 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 02 2013 13:10 Blazinghand wrote:
Really when I think about it I still want to lynch Oats, beyond just the RNG. His decision to OMGUS and throw suspicion on me is pretty retarded, and though I could see a town oats (since oats is an irrational player) doing something like that out of spite and misery, this is more likely to come from scum who's just pissed to be nailed by RNG. I'm gonna stick with my vote on him for now. What the fuck BH? Where did I say you were bad in the post I called you scummy in? This post makes no sense. None. What's your read on Risen? null ~~ town
Why?
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On October 02 2013 13:17 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2013 13:16 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 02 2013 13:15 Blazinghand wrote:On October 02 2013 13:15 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 02 2013 13:10 Blazinghand wrote:
Really when I think about it I still want to lynch Oats, beyond just the RNG. His decision to OMGUS and throw suspicion on me is pretty retarded, and though I could see a town oats (since oats is an irrational player) doing something like that out of spite and misery, this is more likely to come from scum who's just pissed to be nailed by RNG. I'm gonna stick with my vote on him for now. What the fuck BH? Where did I say you were bad in the post I called you scummy in? This post makes no sense. None. What's your read on Risen? null ~~ town Why?
Cause he doesnt hop on the RNG lynch wagon.
And cause he called Holyflare scum.
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Also BH, calling someone scum for not understanding that your method is random is not good.
Not good at all.
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On October 02 2013 13:20 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2013 13:17 Blazinghand wrote:On October 02 2013 13:16 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 02 2013 13:15 Blazinghand wrote:On October 02 2013 13:15 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 02 2013 13:10 Blazinghand wrote:
Really when I think about it I still want to lynch Oats, beyond just the RNG. His decision to OMGUS and throw suspicion on me is pretty retarded, and though I could see a town oats (since oats is an irrational player) doing something like that out of spite and misery, this is more likely to come from scum who's just pissed to be nailed by RNG. I'm gonna stick with my vote on him for now. What the fuck BH? Where did I say you were bad in the post I called you scummy in? This post makes no sense. None. What's your read on Risen? null ~~ town Why? Cause he doesnt hop on the RNG lynch wagon. And cause he called Holyflare scum.
I personally do not find either of these reasons compelling. A decision to hop or not hop on the RNG lynch wagon is dependent on personal ideas about how useful RNG is, and whether or not it paints someone as scummy depends on their reasoning and history, not the simple fact that they did or did not hop on.
Calling holyflare scum, likewise, is not in and of itself a good strat. I too don't like holyflare's play, but you think I am scum, and it is almost certainly because of my interactions with holyflare. Instead of calling him a newb card player and voting him, as risen did, without serious explanation and an attempt to help him, I actually interacted with him seriously. playing the newb card is also something newbies do. the optimal response is mine, not risen's. Mine determines holyflare's alignment.
Risen did not attempt to suss out what was up with holyflare. he laid some smackdown, but hasn't seriously followed it up. Where is he in convincing me to vote holyflare as I interact with holyflare? After all, he thinks holyflare is scum, no?
I find risen scummy for that reason.
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On October 02 2013 13:21 Oatsmaster wrote:
Also BH, calling someone scum for not understanding that your method is random is not good.
Not good at all.
lol what
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
Listen, oats, you can seriously try to interact with me and talk about things that I've done, but from this point going forwards any time you attribute an action or statement to me you should quote the appropriate post, so that people know that you are lying about it.
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