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Blazinghand
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Blazinghand
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Blazinghand
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Blazinghand
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Maybe, maybe not, but you also state you're not willing to "randomly lynch someone" earlier on. So which is it? Is my vote random, or isn't it random? Are you casting doubt on it because you really doubt it? Do you have a problem with a true RNG in general (as you imply in your second post) or do you think I failed to appropriately RNG (as you imply later)? You can't both say "I won't vote Oats because I don't randomly vote" AND "the oats vote isn't random"... | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
On October 02 2013 11:55 Risen wrote: Why would you say that? There's so many other reasons you could get behind an rng lynch "rng'd" by someone else (quotes because sure that long explanation sounds random, but couldn't he just find something and guide it to Oats?). Reasonable is not the first thing that springs to mind. And no, "Ho ho! I was merely FAKING my vote old chap!" isn't a good excuse for finding it reasonable. I find it reasonable to vote for you, though. I don't trust people who proclaim themselves as weak, especially in a game titled "World Heavyweight Championship mafia". You saw the name, you knew what you were going for. You didn't feel weak when you signed up, so why do you feel weak now? ##vote: Holyflare Barring any reasonable alternative (hence the writing about finding information about people's playstyles later) I would be fine with an rng vote. There are not 'so many reasons' to get behind somebody elses rng vote however. You rng because in the first day you have almost no information and so statistically your best bet of finding scum would be to random vote a person. His method seemed the most reasonable method to me and the for now implies that I'd like to hear alternatives otherwise I will stick with the vote. Even so, I understand that an rng'd vote can be tampered with or created in favour of him, however, he in no way can control the TL random generated post number or the number of people in the game to divide by. Weaker by no means implies weak. The whole notion of being weak is subjective, I was referencing that people (i.e, marv.) had pointed out previously that I would be a pain to play with (based on a previous game he briefly checked) and wanted to know others that shared a similar mindset to him. I certainly do not feel weak, in fact, I am most confident in my ability to analyse posts and exhibit townlike behaviour throughout the game. Whether people agree with this though is not my place to say. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25558 Posts
Well, first off, I'm talking to people who aren't Oats and are town. You personally know that of the 8 non-you players, 2 are scum. So you'd think it would be a 2/8 chance of an RNG hitting scum. Pretty lame right? WRONG. If the RNG is on the doctor and the lynch starts to gather steam, he'll surely claim. This means that the doctor isn't even in the lynch pool, and we can roll again for a new RNG. this means we can discount one town player from our odds, meaning that you have a 2/7 (over 30%!) chance of lynching scum with RNG! | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25558 Posts
Here's what you need to do: tell me what you think of Risen based on that post, and his interactions with me. Give a read on me too (with reasons!) while you're at it. Otherwise I think I've found a better target than Oats. ##FoS Holyflare | ||
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Blazinghand
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On October 02 2013 12:13 Blazinghand wrote: Actually, I also find it highly interesting that you are drawing suspicion onto my methods and motives for the random vote, but not actually calling a random vote bad in and of itself. Are you claiming that the only problem with RNG is that I may have manipulated the outcome (not possible) or that the RNG I used wasn't random (it was)? And that if I could convince you that it was truly random and I didn't manipulate the outcome, you'd be fine with it? Maybe, maybe not, but you also state you're not willing to "randomly lynch someone" earlier on. So which is it? Is my vote random, or isn't it random? Are you casting doubt on it because you really doubt it? Do you have a problem with a true RNG in general (as you imply in your second post) or do you think I failed to appropriately RNG (as you imply later)? You can't both say "I won't vote Oats because I don't randomly vote" AND "the oats vote isn't random"... I don't have a problem with a random vote in and of itself, I have a problem with someone accepting a random vote made by someone else as reasonable and what RNG respresents. If I could be convinced that someone could truly make an RNG applicable that scum could not tamper with I still probably wouldn't be ok with it, because it's day 1. We should be focus on generating discussion. A random vote can be useful as discussion starter, look at what has happened already with HF, but to just vote for someone based upon RNG defeats the purpose of playing mafia. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
Yeah I didnt roll scum!!!!!!!! Man that first post. | ||
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Oatsmaster
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Holyflare
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On October 02 2013 09:14 Risen wrote: This seems normal. I'm town. Risen starts straight off the bat seeing your post about the RNG determining method, he doesn't mention anything other than this. It implies that your method is fine and he does not mind the RNG in general. Following this up you asked him why he wouldn't want to vote Oats even after your sound RNGing to which he replies he will not random vote. It's only when it comes to his 'silly' post that he has jumped on me for agreeing with your RNG methods. If he even read your post it was pretty obvious that it was totally random and there was nothing factoring the RNG other than RNG itself. The thing which seems the most questionable to me is while, yes, I did call myself a weaker player in comparison to the rest of you, I asked several other questions about other players playstyles which he has completely glossed over which is no help to me or other people whatsoever. Dedicating a post on me was a stifle to conversation that I see as useful. Not only that but he questioned why I would call an RNG vote reasonable? It's more than reasonable to RNG given the circumstances. As for you BH. I like the RNG voting in general. It's a means to an end. You also state that you're for a policy lynch, this I can only get behind on a case by case basis. While policy lynching is most definitely an underused tactic on this forum I feel that it will mostly be down to RNG (what game of mafia isn't?) anyway and so a system that was pre-devised (like the one you posted) would be my prefered alternative. The fact you had to explain that your random system was in fact random baffles me. There is another person that I am confused about however, raynpelikoneet. I do not know if he's a troll in other games but this game so far his posts have been more lacking to say the least. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On September 30 2013 16:52 Oatsmaster wrote: NOOOOOOOOOO O OO O O SHIAO PI IS TOWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! k hiro is scum, FT might be different scumteam. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
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Holyflare
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On October 02 2013 12:41 Oatsmaster wrote: ##vote holyflare Yeah I didnt roll scum!!!!!!!! Man that first post. On October 02 2013 12:44 Oatsmaster wrote: Also I think BH might be scum because there is no reason to RNG in a 9 player mini and he was just trying to emulate his behavior from last game. So you think that BH is scum but don't vote him. That's a good stance. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On October 02 2013 12:48 Holyflare wrote: Risen, in a game of 9 players in which I know nothing about any of the players there is no better system to accept straight off than RNG. Obviously there are ways to get my attention drawn to other people, however, in a 'world heavyweight championship' as you so lovingly pointed out, is it really going to be that obvious when people screw up? I think not. Like I said in my original post, however, I am open to peoples opinions on other players. except that we have 48 hours to find scum and its only 2/9 chance that we get scum. And probably another 4/9 that we hit an obvious townie that is obvious town after 48 hours. Now its not so useful is it? | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On October 02 2013 12:50 Holyflare wrote: So you think that BH is scum but don't vote him. That's a good stance. I think you and BH are scum. | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On October 02 2013 12:48 Holyflare wrote: Risen, in a game of 9 players in which I know nothing about any of the players there is no better system to accept straight off than RNG. Obviously there are ways to get my attention drawn to other people, however, in a 'world heavyweight championship' as you so lovingly pointed out, is it really going to be that obvious when people screw up? I think not. Like I said in my original post, however, I am open to peoples opinions on other players. You could read people's posts and judge them by that? Seems to be a pretty common way to vote. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
On October 02 2013 12:51 Oatsmaster wrote: except that we have 48 hours to find scum and its only 2/9 chance that we get scum. And probably another 4/9 that we hit an obvious townie that is obvious town after 48 hours. Now its not so useful is it? Do you even read what is posted? On October 02 2013 12:18 Blazinghand wrote: Also to all the RNG doubters: RNG has a 2/7 chance of hitting scum today! Not 2/9 as you might think. Why is that? Well, first off, I'm talking to people who aren't Oats and are town. You personally know that of the 8 non-you players, 2 are scum. So you'd think it would be a 2/8 chance of an RNG hitting scum. Pretty lame right? WRONG. If the RNG is on the doctor and the lynch starts to gather steam, he'll surely claim. This means that the doctor isn't even in the lynch pool, and we can roll again for a new RNG. this means we can discount one town player from our odds, meaning that you have a 2/7 (over 30%!) chance of lynching scum with RNG! | ||
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