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Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
October 02 2013 04:26 GMT
#141
On October 02 2013 13:23 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2013 13:20 Oatsmaster wrote:
On October 02 2013 13:17 Blazinghand wrote:
On October 02 2013 13:16 Oatsmaster wrote:
On October 02 2013 13:15 Blazinghand wrote:
On October 02 2013 13:15 Oatsmaster wrote:
On October 02 2013 13:10 Blazinghand wrote:
Really when I think about it I still want to lynch Oats, beyond just the RNG. His decision to OMGUS and throw suspicion on me is pretty retarded, and though I could see a town oats (since oats is an irrational player) doing something like that out of spite and misery, this is more likely to come from scum who's just pissed to be nailed by RNG. I'm gonna stick with my vote on him for now.

What the fuck BH?
Where did I say you were bad in the post I called you scummy in?

This post makes no sense.
None.


What's your read on Risen?

null ~~ town

Why?

Cause he doesnt hop on the RNG lynch wagon.
And cause he called Holyflare scum.


I personally do not find either of these reasons compelling. A decision to hop or not hop on the RNG lynch wagon is dependent on personal ideas about how useful RNG is, and whether or not it paints someone as scummy depends on their reasoning and history, not the simple fact that they did or did not hop on.

Calling holyflare scum, likewise, is not in and of itself a good strat. I too don't like holyflare's play, but you think I am scum, and it is almost certainly because of my interactions with holyflare. Instead of calling him a newb card player and voting him, as risen did, without serious explanation and an attempt to help him, I actually interacted with him seriously. playing the newb card is also something newbies do. the optimal response is mine, not risen's. Mine determines holyflare's alignment.

Risen did not attempt to suss out what was up with holyflare. he laid some smackdown, but hasn't seriously followed it up. Where is he in convincing me to vote holyflare as I interact with holyflare? After all, he thinks holyflare is scum, no?

I find risen scummy for that reason.

I think you're scum for pulling the RNG bullshit again.
I didnt attempt to find out what was up with holyflare, I laid some smackdown!

So am I scum for that too?

Holyflare is scum because he instantly jumps on a policy and then writes a whole bunch of stuff saying he is a noob.
Without actually saying those words.
No gg, No skill.
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
October 02 2013 04:27 GMT
#142
On October 02 2013 13:23 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2013 13:20 Oatsmaster wrote:
On October 02 2013 13:17 Blazinghand wrote:
On October 02 2013 13:16 Oatsmaster wrote:
On October 02 2013 13:15 Blazinghand wrote:
On October 02 2013 13:15 Oatsmaster wrote:
On October 02 2013 13:10 Blazinghand wrote:
Really when I think about it I still want to lynch Oats, beyond just the RNG. His decision to OMGUS and throw suspicion on me is pretty retarded, and though I could see a town oats (since oats is an irrational player) doing something like that out of spite and misery, this is more likely to come from scum who's just pissed to be nailed by RNG. I'm gonna stick with my vote on him for now.

What the fuck BH?
Where did I say you were bad in the post I called you scummy in?

This post makes no sense.
None.


What's your read on Risen?

null ~~ town

Why?

Cause he doesnt hop on the RNG lynch wagon.
And cause he called Holyflare scum.


I personally do not find either of these reasons compelling. A decision to hop or not hop on the RNG lynch wagon is dependent on personal ideas about how useful RNG is, and whether or not it paints someone as scummy depends on their reasoning and history, not the simple fact that they did or did not hop on.

Calling holyflare scum, likewise, is not in and of itself a good strat. I too don't like holyflare's play, but you think I am scum, and it is almost certainly because of my interactions with holyflare. Instead of calling him a newb card player and voting him, as risen did, without serious explanation and an attempt to help him, I actually interacted with him seriously. playing the newb card is also something newbies do. the optimal response is mine, not risen's. Mine determines holyflare's alignment.

Risen did not attempt to suss out what was up with holyflare. he laid some smackdown, but hasn't seriously followed it up. Where is he in convincing me to vote holyflare as I interact with holyflare? After all, he thinks holyflare is scum, no?

I find risen scummy for that reason.

Calling someone out for the only thing worth calling someone out on at the time makes me scummy? You also disregard the fact that I can be doing other things while doing things in mafia. Why is that?
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
October 02 2013 04:27 GMT
#143
On October 02 2013 12:13 Blazinghand wrote:
Actually, I also find it highly interesting that you are drawing suspicion onto my methods and motives for the random vote, but not actually calling a random vote bad in and of itself. Are you claiming that the only problem with RNG is that I may have manipulated the outcome (not possible) or that the RNG I used wasn't random (it was)? And that if I could convince you that it was truly random and I didn't manipulate the outcome, you'd be fine with it?

Maybe, maybe not, but you also state you're not willing to "randomly lynch someone" earlier on. So which is it? Is my vote random, or isn't it random? Are you casting doubt on it because you really doubt it? Do you have a problem with a true RNG in general (as you imply in your second post) or do you think I failed to appropriately RNG (as you imply later)? You can't both say "I won't vote Oats because I don't randomly vote" AND "the oats vote isn't random"...


You can actually say the last sentence, they are not mutually exclusive.
No gg, No skill.
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25558 Posts
October 02 2013 04:28 GMT
#144
On October 02 2013 13:26 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2013 13:23 Blazinghand wrote:
On October 02 2013 13:20 Oatsmaster wrote:
On October 02 2013 13:17 Blazinghand wrote:
On October 02 2013 13:16 Oatsmaster wrote:
On October 02 2013 13:15 Blazinghand wrote:
On October 02 2013 13:15 Oatsmaster wrote:
On October 02 2013 13:10 Blazinghand wrote:
Really when I think about it I still want to lynch Oats, beyond just the RNG. His decision to OMGUS and throw suspicion on me is pretty retarded, and though I could see a town oats (since oats is an irrational player) doing something like that out of spite and misery, this is more likely to come from scum who's just pissed to be nailed by RNG. I'm gonna stick with my vote on him for now.

What the fuck BH?
Where did I say you were bad in the post I called you scummy in?

This post makes no sense.
None.


What's your read on Risen?

null ~~ town

Why?

Cause he doesnt hop on the RNG lynch wagon.
And cause he called Holyflare scum.


I personally do not find either of these reasons compelling. A decision to hop or not hop on the RNG lynch wagon is dependent on personal ideas about how useful RNG is, and whether or not it paints someone as scummy depends on their reasoning and history, not the simple fact that they did or did not hop on.

Calling holyflare scum, likewise, is not in and of itself a good strat. I too don't like holyflare's play, but you think I am scum, and it is almost certainly because of my interactions with holyflare. Instead of calling him a newb card player and voting him, as risen did, without serious explanation and an attempt to help him, I actually interacted with him seriously. playing the newb card is also something newbies do. the optimal response is mine, not risen's. Mine determines holyflare's alignment.

Risen did not attempt to suss out what was up with holyflare. he laid some smackdown, but hasn't seriously followed it up. Where is he in convincing me to vote holyflare as I interact with holyflare? After all, he thinks holyflare is scum, no?

I find risen scummy for that reason.

I think you're scum for pulling the RNG bullshit again.
I didnt attempt to find out what was up with holyflare, I laid some smackdown!

So am I scum for that too?

Holyflare is scum because he instantly jumps on a policy and then writes a whole bunch of stuff saying he is a noob.
Without actually saying those words.


Yes, that's a scummy thing you did. Are you claiming it's not scummy? Your goal, especially in a small newbie like this, should be to interact and find out more about him, unless you're so clearly sure he's scum that you're done with him.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
October 02 2013 04:28 GMT
#145
This feels so much like Mocsta in Newbie 47 or whatever.

No gg, No skill.
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25558 Posts
October 02 2013 04:29 GMT
#146
On October 02 2013 13:27 Risen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2013 13:23 Blazinghand wrote:
On October 02 2013 13:20 Oatsmaster wrote:
On October 02 2013 13:17 Blazinghand wrote:
On October 02 2013 13:16 Oatsmaster wrote:
On October 02 2013 13:15 Blazinghand wrote:
On October 02 2013 13:15 Oatsmaster wrote:
On October 02 2013 13:10 Blazinghand wrote:
Really when I think about it I still want to lynch Oats, beyond just the RNG. His decision to OMGUS and throw suspicion on me is pretty retarded, and though I could see a town oats (since oats is an irrational player) doing something like that out of spite and misery, this is more likely to come from scum who's just pissed to be nailed by RNG. I'm gonna stick with my vote on him for now.

What the fuck BH?
Where did I say you were bad in the post I called you scummy in?

This post makes no sense.
None.


What's your read on Risen?

null ~~ town

Why?

Cause he doesnt hop on the RNG lynch wagon.
And cause he called Holyflare scum.


I personally do not find either of these reasons compelling. A decision to hop or not hop on the RNG lynch wagon is dependent on personal ideas about how useful RNG is, and whether or not it paints someone as scummy depends on their reasoning and history, not the simple fact that they did or did not hop on.

Calling holyflare scum, likewise, is not in and of itself a good strat. I too don't like holyflare's play, but you think I am scum, and it is almost certainly because of my interactions with holyflare. Instead of calling him a newb card player and voting him, as risen did, without serious explanation and an attempt to help him, I actually interacted with him seriously. playing the newb card is also something newbies do. the optimal response is mine, not risen's. Mine determines holyflare's alignment.

Risen did not attempt to suss out what was up with holyflare. he laid some smackdown, but hasn't seriously followed it up. Where is he in convincing me to vote holyflare as I interact with holyflare? After all, he thinks holyflare is scum, no?

I find risen scummy for that reason.

Calling someone out for the only thing worth calling someone out on at the time makes me scummy? You also disregard the fact that I can be doing other things while doing things in mafia. Why is that?


The point that you haven't made a serious attempt to A) engage with holyflare, your scumread or B) convince Blazinghand, another player in the thread, who isn't voting your scumread, to vote your scumread

is suspicious. This is literally true.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
October 02 2013 04:29 GMT
#147
On October 02 2013 13:28 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2013 13:26 Oatsmaster wrote:
On October 02 2013 13:23 Blazinghand wrote:
On October 02 2013 13:20 Oatsmaster wrote:
On October 02 2013 13:17 Blazinghand wrote:
On October 02 2013 13:16 Oatsmaster wrote:
On October 02 2013 13:15 Blazinghand wrote:
On October 02 2013 13:15 Oatsmaster wrote:
On October 02 2013 13:10 Blazinghand wrote:
Really when I think about it I still want to lynch Oats, beyond just the RNG. His decision to OMGUS and throw suspicion on me is pretty retarded, and though I could see a town oats (since oats is an irrational player) doing something like that out of spite and misery, this is more likely to come from scum who's just pissed to be nailed by RNG. I'm gonna stick with my vote on him for now.

What the fuck BH?
Where did I say you were bad in the post I called you scummy in?

This post makes no sense.
None.


What's your read on Risen?

null ~~ town

Why?

Cause he doesnt hop on the RNG lynch wagon.
And cause he called Holyflare scum.


I personally do not find either of these reasons compelling. A decision to hop or not hop on the RNG lynch wagon is dependent on personal ideas about how useful RNG is, and whether or not it paints someone as scummy depends on their reasoning and history, not the simple fact that they did or did not hop on.

Calling holyflare scum, likewise, is not in and of itself a good strat. I too don't like holyflare's play, but you think I am scum, and it is almost certainly because of my interactions with holyflare. Instead of calling him a newb card player and voting him, as risen did, without serious explanation and an attempt to help him, I actually interacted with him seriously. playing the newb card is also something newbies do. the optimal response is mine, not risen's. Mine determines holyflare's alignment.

Risen did not attempt to suss out what was up with holyflare. he laid some smackdown, but hasn't seriously followed it up. Where is he in convincing me to vote holyflare as I interact with holyflare? After all, he thinks holyflare is scum, no?

I find risen scummy for that reason.

I think you're scum for pulling the RNG bullshit again.
I didnt attempt to find out what was up with holyflare, I laid some smackdown!

So am I scum for that too?

Holyflare is scum because he instantly jumps on a policy and then writes a whole bunch of stuff saying he is a noob.
Without actually saying those words.


Yes, that's a scummy thing you did. Are you claiming it's not scummy? Your goal, especially in a small newbie like this, should be to interact and find out more about him, unless you're so clearly sure he's scum that you're done with him.

Im very clearly sure he's scum.

Also, you know there are pressure votes? And I can change my vote at any time? So its not like once I vote for him, I cant change my mind.

So yeah, I dunno why you are calling me and Risen scum because we have scumreads we are willing to vote on.

Why isnt Holyflare interacting with me if he called me scum then?
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
October 02 2013 04:31 GMT
#148
Since when does BH play self righteous dick?
As any alignment?
No gg, No skill.
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25558 Posts
October 02 2013 04:31 GMT
#149
Look, Oats, you have to admit, it IS pretty weird that Risen hasn't been trying to convince me, right? Like, even drawing some weird unflipped associative tell shit you can't just go and say "I'm not going to try to convince BH, who's literally in the thread right now and rather influential as a town player, that HF is scum". You also have to admit, do you not, that given that holyflare IS LITERALLY A NEWBIE, it's possible he doesn't get what playing the newb card means? It's possible that yes, the reaction should be suspicion, but also an attempt to draw him into conversation? That not doing that is sub-optimal, and therefore scummy?
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25558 Posts
October 02 2013 04:33 GMT
#150
On October 02 2013 13:29 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2013 13:28 Blazinghand wrote:
On October 02 2013 13:26 Oatsmaster wrote:
On October 02 2013 13:23 Blazinghand wrote:
On October 02 2013 13:20 Oatsmaster wrote:
On October 02 2013 13:17 Blazinghand wrote:
On October 02 2013 13:16 Oatsmaster wrote:
On October 02 2013 13:15 Blazinghand wrote:
On October 02 2013 13:15 Oatsmaster wrote:
On October 02 2013 13:10 Blazinghand wrote:
Really when I think about it I still want to lynch Oats, beyond just the RNG. His decision to OMGUS and throw suspicion on me is pretty retarded, and though I could see a town oats (since oats is an irrational player) doing something like that out of spite and misery, this is more likely to come from scum who's just pissed to be nailed by RNG. I'm gonna stick with my vote on him for now.

What the fuck BH?
Where did I say you were bad in the post I called you scummy in?

This post makes no sense.
None.


What's your read on Risen?

null ~~ town

Why?

Cause he doesnt hop on the RNG lynch wagon.
And cause he called Holyflare scum.


I personally do not find either of these reasons compelling. A decision to hop or not hop on the RNG lynch wagon is dependent on personal ideas about how useful RNG is, and whether or not it paints someone as scummy depends on their reasoning and history, not the simple fact that they did or did not hop on.

Calling holyflare scum, likewise, is not in and of itself a good strat. I too don't like holyflare's play, but you think I am scum, and it is almost certainly because of my interactions with holyflare. Instead of calling him a newb card player and voting him, as risen did, without serious explanation and an attempt to help him, I actually interacted with him seriously. playing the newb card is also something newbies do. the optimal response is mine, not risen's. Mine determines holyflare's alignment.

Risen did not attempt to suss out what was up with holyflare. he laid some smackdown, but hasn't seriously followed it up. Where is he in convincing me to vote holyflare as I interact with holyflare? After all, he thinks holyflare is scum, no?

I find risen scummy for that reason.

I think you're scum for pulling the RNG bullshit again.
I didnt attempt to find out what was up with holyflare, I laid some smackdown!

So am I scum for that too?

Holyflare is scum because he instantly jumps on a policy and then writes a whole bunch of stuff saying he is a noob.
Without actually saying those words.


Yes, that's a scummy thing you did. Are you claiming it's not scummy? Your goal, especially in a small newbie like this, should be to interact and find out more about him, unless you're so clearly sure he's scum that you're done with him.

Im very clearly sure he's scum.

Also, you know there are pressure votes? And I can change my vote at any time? So its not like once I vote for him, I cant change my mind.

So yeah, I dunno why you are calling me and Risen scum because we have scumreads we are willing to vote on.

Why isnt Holyflare interacting with me if he called me scum then?


I don't see how your vote being a pressure vote means that you can't write a case, try to convince people, or hell, try to interact with the guy you're supposedly pressuring. Of course you can change your mind! The fact that you and Risen are scummy (and i'm not 100% sure that either of you are scum, of course) isn't that you vote, it's HOW you vote. Do you understand this?

On October 02 2013 13:31 Oatsmaster wrote:
Since when does BH play self righteous dick?
As any alignment?


So you thing this is... null? or are you just whining.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25558 Posts
October 02 2013 04:34 GMT
#151
@Holyflare: weigh in now on these interactions. state opinions, draw / refine reads, interact with the people voting you. refine your reads on them, and their reads on you.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
October 02 2013 04:34 GMT
#152
On October 02 2013 13:31 Blazinghand wrote:
Look, Oats, you have to admit, it IS pretty weird that Risen hasn't been trying to convince me, right? Like, even drawing some weird unflipped associative tell shit you can't just go and say "I'm not going to try to convince BH, who's literally in the thread right now and rather influential as a town player, that HF is scum". You also have to admit, do you not, that given that holyflare IS LITERALLY A NEWBIE, it's possible he doesn't get what playing the newb card means? It's possible that yes, the reaction should be suspicion, but also an attempt to draw him into conversation? That not doing that is sub-optimal, and therefore scummy?

Or I'm playing dota
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
October 02 2013 04:35 GMT
#153
On October 02 2013 13:33 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2013 13:29 Oatsmaster wrote:
On October 02 2013 13:28 Blazinghand wrote:
On October 02 2013 13:26 Oatsmaster wrote:
On October 02 2013 13:23 Blazinghand wrote:
On October 02 2013 13:20 Oatsmaster wrote:
On October 02 2013 13:17 Blazinghand wrote:
On October 02 2013 13:16 Oatsmaster wrote:
On October 02 2013 13:15 Blazinghand wrote:
On October 02 2013 13:15 Oatsmaster wrote:
[quote]
What the fuck BH?
Where did I say you were bad in the post I called you scummy in?

This post makes no sense.
None.


What's your read on Risen?

null ~~ town

Why?

Cause he doesnt hop on the RNG lynch wagon.
And cause he called Holyflare scum.


I personally do not find either of these reasons compelling. A decision to hop or not hop on the RNG lynch wagon is dependent on personal ideas about how useful RNG is, and whether or not it paints someone as scummy depends on their reasoning and history, not the simple fact that they did or did not hop on.

Calling holyflare scum, likewise, is not in and of itself a good strat. I too don't like holyflare's play, but you think I am scum, and it is almost certainly because of my interactions with holyflare. Instead of calling him a newb card player and voting him, as risen did, without serious explanation and an attempt to help him, I actually interacted with him seriously. playing the newb card is also something newbies do. the optimal response is mine, not risen's. Mine determines holyflare's alignment.

Risen did not attempt to suss out what was up with holyflare. he laid some smackdown, but hasn't seriously followed it up. Where is he in convincing me to vote holyflare as I interact with holyflare? After all, he thinks holyflare is scum, no?

I find risen scummy for that reason.

I think you're scum for pulling the RNG bullshit again.
I didnt attempt to find out what was up with holyflare, I laid some smackdown!

So am I scum for that too?

Holyflare is scum because he instantly jumps on a policy and then writes a whole bunch of stuff saying he is a noob.
Without actually saying those words.


Yes, that's a scummy thing you did. Are you claiming it's not scummy? Your goal, especially in a small newbie like this, should be to interact and find out more about him, unless you're so clearly sure he's scum that you're done with him.

Im very clearly sure he's scum.

Also, you know there are pressure votes? And I can change my vote at any time? So its not like once I vote for him, I cant change my mind.

So yeah, I dunno why you are calling me and Risen scum because we have scumreads we are willing to vote on.

Why isnt Holyflare interacting with me if he called me scum then?


I don't see how your vote being a pressure vote means that you can't write a case, try to convince people, or hell, try to interact with the guy you're supposedly pressuring. Of course you can change your mind! The fact that you and Risen are scummy (and i'm not 100% sure that either of you are scum, of course) isn't that you vote, it's HOW you vote. Do you understand this?

Show nested quote +
On October 02 2013 13:31 Oatsmaster wrote:
Since when does BH play self righteous dick?
As any alignment?


So you thing this is... null? or are you just whining.

I dont understand how you equate having a extreme stance on someone from their first post = scummy.

Both me and Risen explained reasons to think that Holyflare is scum and you seem to think that Holyflare is scummy too.

WHAT THE FUCK IS THERE TO CONVINCE YOU ABOUT ?? ? ? ?? ?

I dont know if you are bad or if you are scum BH.

No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
October 02 2013 04:36 GMT
#154
On October 02 2013 13:31 Blazinghand wrote:
Look, Oats, you have to admit, it IS pretty weird that Risen hasn't been trying to convince me, right? Like, even drawing some weird unflipped associative tell shit you can't just go and say "I'm not going to try to convince BH, who's literally in the thread right now and rather influential as a town player, that HF is scum". You also have to admit, do you not, that given that holyflare IS LITERALLY A NEWBIE, it's possible he doesn't get what playing the newb card means? It's possible that yes, the reaction should be suspicion, but also an attempt to draw him into conversation? That not doing that is sub-optimal, and therefore scummy?

Literally a newbie doesnt mean you play the noob card unless you think it helps you. I only remember playing the noob card in my first few scumgames but none of my towngames because it served no purpose.
Why do you think Holyflare is a complete and total idiot that is bad at mafia?
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
October 02 2013 04:36 GMT
#155
I cant take this.
Gone for like 12 hours.
No gg, No skill.
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25558 Posts
October 02 2013 04:38 GMT
#156
On October 02 2013 13:35 Oatsmaster wrote:
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On October 02 2013 13:33 Blazinghand wrote:
On October 02 2013 13:29 Oatsmaster wrote:
On October 02 2013 13:28 Blazinghand wrote:
On October 02 2013 13:26 Oatsmaster wrote:
On October 02 2013 13:23 Blazinghand wrote:
On October 02 2013 13:20 Oatsmaster wrote:
On October 02 2013 13:17 Blazinghand wrote:
On October 02 2013 13:16 Oatsmaster wrote:
On October 02 2013 13:15 Blazinghand wrote:
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What's your read on Risen?

null ~~ town

Why?

Cause he doesnt hop on the RNG lynch wagon.
And cause he called Holyflare scum.


I personally do not find either of these reasons compelling. A decision to hop or not hop on the RNG lynch wagon is dependent on personal ideas about how useful RNG is, and whether or not it paints someone as scummy depends on their reasoning and history, not the simple fact that they did or did not hop on.

Calling holyflare scum, likewise, is not in and of itself a good strat. I too don't like holyflare's play, but you think I am scum, and it is almost certainly because of my interactions with holyflare. Instead of calling him a newb card player and voting him, as risen did, without serious explanation and an attempt to help him, I actually interacted with him seriously. playing the newb card is also something newbies do. the optimal response is mine, not risen's. Mine determines holyflare's alignment.

Risen did not attempt to suss out what was up with holyflare. he laid some smackdown, but hasn't seriously followed it up. Where is he in convincing me to vote holyflare as I interact with holyflare? After all, he thinks holyflare is scum, no?

I find risen scummy for that reason.

I think you're scum for pulling the RNG bullshit again.
I didnt attempt to find out what was up with holyflare, I laid some smackdown!

So am I scum for that too?

Holyflare is scum because he instantly jumps on a policy and then writes a whole bunch of stuff saying he is a noob.
Without actually saying those words.


Yes, that's a scummy thing you did. Are you claiming it's not scummy? Your goal, especially in a small newbie like this, should be to interact and find out more about him, unless you're so clearly sure he's scum that you're done with him.

Im very clearly sure he's scum.

Also, you know there are pressure votes? And I can change my vote at any time? So its not like once I vote for him, I cant change my mind.

So yeah, I dunno why you are calling me and Risen scum because we have scumreads we are willing to vote on.

Why isnt Holyflare interacting with me if he called me scum then?


I don't see how your vote being a pressure vote means that you can't write a case, try to convince people, or hell, try to interact with the guy you're supposedly pressuring. Of course you can change your mind! The fact that you and Risen are scummy (and i'm not 100% sure that either of you are scum, of course) isn't that you vote, it's HOW you vote. Do you understand this?

On October 02 2013 13:31 Oatsmaster wrote:
Since when does BH play self righteous dick?
As any alignment?


So you thing this is... null? or are you just whining.

I dont understand how you equate having a extreme stance on someone from their first post = scummy.

Both me and Risen explained reasons to think that Holyflare is scum and you seem to think that Holyflare is scummy too.

WHAT THE FUCK IS THERE TO CONVINCE YOU ABOUT ?? ? ? ?? ?

I dont know if you are bad or if you are scum BH.


....

I don't see how your vote being a pressure vote means that you can't write a case, try to convince people, or hell, try to interact with the guy you're supposedly pressuring.


the point i'm getting at here isn't that having a strong stance early on is scummy. THIS IS NOT MY POINT. STOP LYING AND STATING THAT IT IS MY POINT. my point is the lack of follow-up, the lack of interaction with the guy being voted or the guy not voting him. After all, if I REALLY do think holyflare is scummy, you should be all over me trying to refine my scumread on him. I shouldn't have to twist your arm to get you to do this.

On October 02 2013 13:34 Risen wrote:
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On October 02 2013 13:31 Blazinghand wrote:
Look, Oats, you have to admit, it IS pretty weird that Risen hasn't been trying to convince me, right? Like, even drawing some weird unflipped associative tell shit you can't just go and say "I'm not going to try to convince BH, who's literally in the thread right now and rather influential as a town player, that HF is scum". You also have to admit, do you not, that given that holyflare IS LITERALLY A NEWBIE, it's possible he doesn't get what playing the newb card means? It's possible that yes, the reaction should be suspicion, but also an attempt to draw him into conversation? That not doing that is sub-optimal, and therefore scummy?

Or I'm playing dota


doesn't prevent you from posting from what i've seen.

On October 02 2013 13:36 Oatsmaster wrote:
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On October 02 2013 13:31 Blazinghand wrote:
Look, Oats, you have to admit, it IS pretty weird that Risen hasn't been trying to convince me, right? Like, even drawing some weird unflipped associative tell shit you can't just go and say "I'm not going to try to convince BH, who's literally in the thread right now and rather influential as a town player, that HF is scum". You also have to admit, do you not, that given that holyflare IS LITERALLY A NEWBIE, it's possible he doesn't get what playing the newb card means? It's possible that yes, the reaction should be suspicion, but also an attempt to draw him into conversation? That not doing that is sub-optimal, and therefore scummy?

Literally a newbie doesnt mean you play the noob card unless you think it helps you. I only remember playing the noob card in my first few scumgames but none of my towngames because it served no purpose.
Why do you think Holyflare is a complete and total idiot that is bad at mafia?


I don't say holy flare is a complete and total idiot that is bad at mafia. Another lie from oats. The point I'm getting at is, the noob card is not an auto scum read, and honestly, although I find it scummy, my reaction isn't to vote him then use that as an opportunity to opt out of the thread. I use it as an opportunity to opt INTO the thread.


When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25558 Posts
October 02 2013 04:39 GMT
#157
On October 02 2013 13:36 Oatsmaster wrote:
I cant take this.
Gone for like 12 hours.


Don't worry oats, for your lies, your misrepresentations, and your attempts to fake-push the holyflare case, I'll make you gone forever by the end of this day.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
October 02 2013 04:41 GMT
#158
I guess Ill just wait for smarter people to show up then.
I don't say holy flare is a complete and total idiot that is bad at mafia. Another lie from oats. The point I'm getting at is, the noob card is not an auto scum read, and honestly, although I find it scummy, my reaction isn't to vote him then use that as an opportunity to opt out of the thread. I use it as an opportunity to opt INTO the thread.

I dont understand what opting in and out of the thread means.

Can super obviously town BH explain?
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
October 02 2013 04:42 GMT
#159
the point i'm getting at here isn't that having a strong stance early on is scummy. THIS IS NOT MY POINT. STOP LYING AND STATING THAT IT IS MY POINT. my point is the lack of follow-up, the lack of interaction with the guy being voted or the guy not voting him. After all, if I REALLY do think holyflare is scummy, you should be all over me trying to refine my scumread on him. I shouldn't have to twist your arm to get you to do this.

So you vote for someone then you ask him to explain? If I think a guy is scum, then why do I have to have interaction with him? And if everyone else in the thread thinks the same way, then why do I have to have interaction with them?
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
October 02 2013 04:44 GMT
#160
Its funny that you played with me all these games with me BH, and you still dont know I exaggerate the hell out of my stuff.
No gg, No skill.
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