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On August 22 2013 03:30 OmniEulogy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2013 03:28 Holyflare wrote:
Why would people vote slam and sheep me in the first place? BECAUSE HE FELL APART AFTER I MADE A CASE ON HIM AND THEN STARTED FALLING ALL OVER THE PLACE. the guy who voted on Xzavier started to fall apart after your case on him..... and that's why he voted LoneMeow almost 36 hours later and got himself lynched at the end of D2.... am I reading this right?
Are you playing dumb or what?
On August 20 2013 02:34 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2013 02:29 justanothertownie wrote:
No said question can absolutely be answered. I did not ask for the alignment of said players I asked for the reason for Omni's scumread on Deus and Alakaslam and why he thinks they would voteswitch as scum. Pfft just read HolyFlare that's probably all the alakasuspicious that can be remotely loosely said in a nutshell That's like just short of all that can be said short of what is pulled from ass
From then on he said nothing other than quiet sobbing.
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On August 22 2013 03:29 justanothertownie wrote:Explain.
Killing Lone.
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This game is so over I question whoever disagrees with this.
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On August 22 2013 03:38 iVLosK! wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2013 03:29 justanothertownie wrote:On August 22 2013 03:01 iVLosK! wrote:
Scum is so bad at this. Explain. Killing Lone.
Why? He was confirmed town.
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On August 22 2013 03:41 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2013 03:38 iVLosK! wrote:On August 22 2013 03:29 justanothertownie wrote:On August 22 2013 03:01 iVLosK! wrote:
Scum is so bad at this. Explain. Killing Lone. Why? He was confirmed town.
How is he confirmed?
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He killed slam. Without any scum reason for it.
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So did me and you, are we now confirmed too?
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But he put the nail in the coffin seconds before the vote. It isn't that hard to see is it?
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No, we are not confirmed. Although what I did would not make much more sense as scum than what Lone did.
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And I supplied the wood and you created the coffin, it doesn't matter what order it happened.
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By the way I want you to actually do what I said and click slams filter on all messages and ctrl + f omni.
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It absolutely does. When you voted slam everyone was on Deus. You could not have known people would switch.
I won't say you are scum but it is not impossible at all.
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On August 22 2013 03:48 Holyflare wrote:
By the way I want you to actually do what I said and click slams filter on all messages and ctrl + f omni.
I will, I will. We have plenty of time to figure this out. Your case is one possibility but not the only one there is.
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423708&user=Alakaslam&view=all
here is his all filter,
I want to draw attention to here: + Show Spoiler +On August 19 2013 23:08 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2013 23:04 LoneMeow wrote:On August 19 2013 22:42 Alakaslam wrote:
I know sorry about being gone.
I am here now gimme a bit to read. While you're here, give me a read on Omni please? Ok. Reading his filter now. Persona just started but I will still be able to check stuff out. That is why I was afg a bit, if not afk.
and here: + Show Spoiler +On August 19 2013 23:21 Alakaslam wrote:
Well, I don't want to OMGUS but as he thinks I am second scummiest in the game I naturally think he is at least misguided, but if that's my fault for principle voteswitching I get it. Captain hindsight can work mightily in people.
Still, wish deus answered me at the time. At least he has said why since.
I want to see what OE thinks of deus upon his return.
and here: + Show Spoiler +On August 20 2013 13:59 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2013 03:57 justanothertownie wrote:
I don't know if you are scum. But since I absolutely don't trust my ability to read you I am looking for mafia elsewhere at the moment.
If you have the time I guess it would be a good idea for you to have a look at Deus if you really want to lynch him. If you have even more time I would like your opinion on Omni and iVLosk. Well you just got my opinion of PAGE 35 FTW omni is not my favorite person here. He keeps pushing me and deus, I'm not gonna like him a whole lot. From captain hindsight I think he is leaning town. Dude tho iVLosk how is lone Wow Like I must read what you said again
Each time you or someone else asks for a read on omni, it's literally nothing in response and then a deflection to someone else, there is also another example here:
+ Show Spoiler +On August 21 2013 01:59 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2013 01:57 justanothertownie wrote:Ok, I just reread Deus filter. I urge everyone voting him now to do the same. That's the least you can do. I am not convinced he is scum. As I reread I got the feeling everything up to his last post about me could be a townie who made a big mistake under pressure at the deadline Day1. Before he made that big ass bullshit post on me I was about to consider him town again and I now know why again. It's this post that I liked: On August 20 2013 04:00 DeusXmachina wrote:Just got up. Ill answer the questions directed at me 1 by 1. JAT's is first + Show Spoiler +On August 19 2013 19:46 justanothertownie wrote:
So Deus, you don't like it if I quote you - ok. I don't like to quote such an enormous post anyways.
So here is my answer to you but first:
I thought about the whole thing since yesterday and I will admit that the lynch conclusions alone are not enough to forge a solid read on someone. I got caught up in this because your voting was really stupid even if it wasn't scum motivated. If you read what I said you know that I already mentioned it doesn't make so much sense for scum to voteswitch like that if iVLosk is town. And iVlosk is right that this is kind of an association case and that they are bad.
Still I don't really like how you responded to my case on you and I will tell you why.
Yeah, I quoted a shitton if you want so say it like that but I always explained what's scummy about it if it doesn't speak for itself like your voting pattern. You don't even adress one point of my case directly instead you are saying I am scum for pushing you? Wow, now I am impressed. Thats's the scummy way to "defend" against a case.
You are absolutely right - a townie should change his reads if there is new information but did you really do that? What happened between your vote on iVlosk and your vote on Xzavier that changed your mind and if there is nothing why did you vote for iVLosk in the first place? If you can explain your thought process through yesterday to me instead of just claiming there is no way scum would do that I would consider changing my read on you. Also please explain to me why you didn't know it was plurality lynch when it was mentioned several times before the lynch (did you read the thread at all?).
So far I see your case on me is that I am agreeing with people on things + OMGUS. Yeah, great case.
Other than that:
I am suspicious of Omni myself. He is obviously right about me but if I understand him correctly he obsed before he replaced so it is easy to know who looks townie to people and who doesn't and scum likes to give townreads. It is easy for them to give strong reads because they know who is town and who isn't.
But what really gets me thinking about him is his reasoning. He doesn't even really consider iVLosk to be scum and still insists on you or slam being scum and I don't follow that.
There still is only one alive player who I really have a considerable townread on and it's not him.
I would really like you to keep being active Day2 and to keep posting reads. If this means you have to push me - do it.
The same goes for iVLosk who didn't contribute anything for a long time now. I don't want to call him scum for not defending himself before the lynch anymore because it was very shortly before the deadline that he got voted but still several people were suspicious of him and there was always the possibility of him getting lynched earlier. I don't know what to think of him.
It really sucks that slam is afk for half of the dayphase btw. On August 19 2013 07:35 justanothertownie wrote:Ok, I read Deus filter again and I really don't like it. He looked very motivated pre game and you describe him as an agressive, active townie in the last newbie game. I don't see that at all in this game. He started with some policy posts without saying anything. That's ok in itself but after that his activity really dropped down. He wasn't agressive instead he asked generic questions like this: Show nested quote +On August 16 2013 05:23 DeusXmachina wrote:
Analyzing peoples previous games to determine their role this game, good or bad in newbie? Show nested quote +On August 16 2013 06:36 DeusXmachina wrote:On August 16 2013 06:32 justanothertownie wrote:On August 16 2013 05:26 iVLosK! wrote:
Using meta on noobies is usually useless, in my experience. So, how much experience do you have? I guess you played 1 game on TL... other sites? Why do you ask? After I mentioned that policy talk doesn't add that much he quickly backed off. Feels really defensive (although this post isn't that bad apart from that). Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 03:06 DeusXmachina wrote:On August 17 2013 01:30 justanothertownie wrote:On August 16 2013 20:37 LoneMeow wrote:On August 16 2013 20:30 justanothertownie wrote:
Because it was mentioned someone did it in one of the last newbie games and because there were 2 townies who fakeclaimed cop in the first game I played. Ok, I see. What do you think of this game so far, any reads? Not really. I didn't like some posts from Deus and the first one of Squibbles that much but this won't tell me anything. I'm just not a fan of this rather pointless policy discussions. People can talk alot about these things without adding any useful content. I won't read to much into early contentless posts though. Bad experience last game. Yeah scum could talk policy all day. Lets put all this lying, lurking, and what-have-you talk aside for now. I am going to vote reps or xzavier if they don't start posting. I want to push for a lynch day 1, and as of right now they are the best candidates. If reps/xzavier are tied for first then a close second would be, well.... everyone else. Although, I can't help be suspicious of holy. Last game he was pretty try-hard and this game he seems pretty detached. I won't press it for now though because he said he was busy. Anyway, I think our goal should be pressuring xzavier and reps to get them to participate. Lurkers won't be tolerated! His scumhunting pretty much only revolved around lynching lurkers. Easy thing to do as scum. Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 09:07 DeusXmachina wrote:
Lets entertain a scenario. Reps or Xzavier are completely aware that the game has started and are intentionally not posting. They don't feel any real pressure so they aim to do several things:
A) Contribute nothing to increase the chances of a no-lynch day 1
B) Contribute nothing to avoid mistakes or posts that could get them unwanted attention.
or the less likely
C) Play a lurker roll so their scum buddy can bus them.
How easy would it be to drop in and say, "oh sorry guys I couldn't post because.... blah.. blah.. blah...". Some of you are already assuming that they are just afk.
Why are we tolerating lurkers?
What seems weird to me is his stance on iVLosk. First he defends him. Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 07:45 DeusXmachina wrote:On August 17 2013 07:40 Holyflare wrote:On August 17 2013 07:37 justanothertownie wrote:
I did filter dive although that's a weird term for less than a page of posts. Of course I don't care about his rap stuff. I liked his post concerning the policies and the one about metareads in newbies. There wasn't that much else at the time I made that statement. Do you not think what I wrote about him has any merit? Specifically the point about telling us not to write crap but then doing it himself? A few posts have happened since your last assumption. I don't think his hypocrisy is a reason to be suspicious. He probably just wanted to come in with flare, hence his aggressive first post (not counting rap). Holy would you rather focus on iV or reps/xzavier? Pressuring xzavier or reps might get them to start talking. Then he is suspicious of him: Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 09:38 DeusXmachina wrote:I am growing suspicious of iV. The way he handled holy's pressure seems scummy. He seemed more interested in discrediting Holy than actually contributing. + Show Spoiler +On August 17 2013 09:09 iVLosK! wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 08:51 Holyflare wrote:On August 17 2013 08:49 iVLosK! wrote:On August 17 2013 08:42 Holyflare wrote:On August 17 2013 08:04 iVLosK! wrote:On August 17 2013 08:00 justanothertownie wrote:
Hm? I meant the posts he listed.
Relying on modkills for lurkers is really scummy btw. Good thing you say you would vote them if they keep lurking Holyflare. D' Oh. On August 17 2013 07:51 Holyflare wrote:
All his posts are pretty much non contributory. I genuinely think reps is afk if he hasn't posted yet, no idea about xzavier but it frustrates me, if they don't talk at all it's a double modkill and therefore we should focus on the people who are talking. I swear to god if another bs lurker happens like last game with a post a day I'm voting them off straight anyway
I think this is the post JAT is referencing above. I noticed it too. I like you drawing attention to this, oh it's scummy to avoid lurkers but then say you want to do the anti lurker thing, seriously? I mean what the hell i don't know if you two are trying to set me up but until the lurkers actually do something talking about them is 100% anti town by way of wasting time. Of course we will lynch lurkers if nobody is under any real suspicion do not be stupid. I'm not sure I ever said it was scummy to avoid lurkers. So you've lost me. JAT is saying it's scummy and you said "i noticed it too"? "I noticed it" =/= "this is scummy". It's sorta more like what you're doing. Putting together a case on me without actually voting me. Read D1 of my first game on this site. I don't like that shit and happily lynch people who do it. This is a good example. Attacks holy and contributes nothing to town. Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 10:01 DeusXmachina wrote:On August 17 2013 09:54 iVLosK! wrote:On August 17 2013 09:53 reps)squishy wrote:
I am sorry I don't see where I "fucked up".
Please point it out. On August 17 2013 09:49 reps)squishy wrote:I read all pages so far. I am suspicious of iV. He believes in lynch all liers and also stated town has plenty of reasons to lie. Is it me or does that seem a little scummy. Proof. 1. On August 16 2013 05:04 iVLosK! wrote:
Yeah lynch all liars and no lurking! And anything else that sounds pro-town! C'mon guys. No fucking duh. I have a policy of lynching people who say stupid, obvious shit. What do you think of them apples, flare, deus, and LM? 2. There are plenty of reasons to lie as town. Part of this game is misleading scum about what your own abilities and intentions are. I've bolded the obvious sarcasm for those unable or unwilling to keep up. Seems more egotistical than sarcastic. Shortly after that Losk is town suddenly: Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 13:55 DeusXmachina wrote:
Last thing before I go to bed.
I thought I would post my thoughts on day 1 so far.
I peg iV for town because he seems aggressive, and antagonistic at times, and to me these are definitely town traits.
But why don't vote for our townread, right? Then there is this: Followed by: Finally he claims not to have known this is plurality lynch which has been stated several times in the thread. He either doesn't read the thread or this is a bad excuse for his weird voting. Show nested quote +On August 18 2013 08:08 DeusXmachina wrote:
On August 18 2013 08:07 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2013 08:02 OmniEulogy wrote:On August 18 2013 07:49 Holyflare wrote:On August 18 2013 07:39 OmniEulogy wrote:On August 18 2013 07:02 Koshi wrote:On August 18 2013 07:02 OmniEulogy wrote:
what's up guys. I'm almost completely caught up Yeah it took me 5 minutes as well. Hahahaha yeah, unfortunately what I'm really going over right now is the massive clusterfuck at the end of D1. I agree with you completely when you say that nobody should vote for a guy with literally 0 posts. Town should NEVER lynch the "easiest" target which it seems like they did... that's complete scum mentality. Town lynch the scummiest players not the easiest ones -.- ... I'm also really upset that three people didn't even vote which makes it even harder to sort it out. so far I think I'm pretty happy with my reads right now though I think Slam really sticks out to me as scummy for jumping around on his votes so much, even to the point of voting for Xzavier on two seperate occasions, however he has been one of the most consistant contributors in the game albeit very spammy. I'm getting a newbie town feeling from him and with the amount he's posting if he is scum it wont take long for him to slip. For that reason I'm ok with him currently. I've never played with Deus but people say he's an aggressive townie. I'm not seeing any of that from this game. He's been asking really bad fluff questions which would be easy for scum to imitate to pretend to be contributing, his vote on Xzavier and his reason behind it were terrible or rather his lack of a reason. Then after the lynch on Xzavier he goes after Holy for something he was fine before and even said he thought Holy was town for. I'd say out of all the players he's my top scum read right now. And then Holy votes for Xzavier as a "place holder" never to take his vote off him. Very scummy behavior considering he goes for the easy lynch, and a way to avoid needing to actually come up with a reason to vote for somebody. As far as town reads go I had a newbie town read on Reps and so in turn I believe Koshi is town. JAT is my strongest town read in the game at the moment slight town read on iVLosK! and the rest are all neutral as I still have to go through the filters again. I'd really like to know why Slam jumped his vote around so much asap and why the hell all three of you (Holy, Deus, Slam) thought it was a good idea to lynch Xzavier. I like how you ignore everything I've said the entirety of the game just to focus on the person I put my vote on. It was my girlfriends birthday today (went out yesterday for it/party today) so I left my vote on the safest person so far. If he posted once and voted he'd be still in the game and I would NOT be alright with that, I would 100% not be alright with wasting 2 days just so we could fucking waste another day talking about him and wasting the day on him. That's a pretty massive issue.... the objective isn't to find the safest person to vote for and then do it as town..... Your reason of not wanting to get rid of somebody who might contribute doesn't work in this case. Xzavier had literally not made a single post, was very likely to be modkilled and you had stronger feelings against another player but you kept your vote on him because it was safer? Am I reading that right? Safer for what? Town on D1 doesn't need to worry about what the safe vote is. if you wanted to be safe why didn't you just ##Vote:No-Lynch instead of putting it on somebody who wouldn't defend himself. I'm fairly certain I just got that last part wrong, would a mod be kind enough to tell me/us what the correct format is to vote for a no-lynch? Thanks! I am confused why Xzavier WAS voted off though when the 2 votes were placed after the deadline........
We didn't even have enough votes against him. It wasn't a vote off. He was modkilled. They just said he got lynched in the end of day post. I really would like to hear his reasoning for all of this. Also he should be way more active Day2 if he is town because right now I am really worried about him. For starters, scum reads based on the xzavier lynch are extremelly unreliable, and I will try to explain that by detailing my thought process. Ill say this again, the xzavier lynch is a MASSIVE opportunity for scum to capitalize on. It's a gateway to mislynching a townie. There was some talk about my inconsistency. I wouldn't call the moments before the Xzavier lynch inconsistent. At least in my case, the better word is impulsive. So my thought process: The most impulsive thing I did that day was vote iV. Shortly after, I posted what I was thinking. + Show Spoiler +On August 18 2013 02:56 DeusXmachina wrote:
Sorry guys. I couldn't be around this morning. Read the thread. Although I don't completely agree with Holy stance against iV, everyone else seems convinced. Not sold on squibbs. I would rather vote Xzavier but that is clearly not going to happen. Fuck I might change my vote. iV seems to aggressive/antagonistic to be scum.
I got in right before the lynch. I pan through the posts. Wow people seemed convinced iV is the best lynch candidate. Vote iV. Wait a second, I don't really agree with that. He is way to antagonistic, and aggressive to be scum. I don't think this is right. Well how many votes against him, we need 5 right? (Yes I genuinly thought it was a majority lynch. No I didn't catch where it said plurality. Yes when slam responded right after saying plurality I discarded it because I thought wtf does that mean). Nope this isn't right he is not scum. Unvote, vote Xzavier. Why vote Xzavier? Yes I actually thought it was a majority (Guys do you really think scum would say something so stupid?). I thought, you know what, I am sticking to my guns this game. I don't want to tolerate lurking. Why such a strong stance against lurking? Well I had a major lurker in my last game who turned out to be scum. Another lurker, although not as bad, who turned out to be scum. Okay, so in retrospect Xzavier was beyond a lurker. He was a no poster. But I thought to myself, I don't think Squibbs is scum just yet, I don't think reps is scum just yet. So he is the only one I can vote for. I kick myself for not voting no-lynch. But don't you see! That inconsistency, that impulsiveness is not scummy. Who is more likely to be impulsive? A scum who is constantly thinking about the ramifications of his actions, or a townie who is interested in scum hunting, not constantly making sure he does not look suspicious. Look how much shit that Xzavier lynch got slam and I? That would be, like I said earlier, a massive misstep by scum. That's why talk of scum reads based on the Xzavier lynch are so silly. That's why I think Omni is trying to capitalize on the lynch. Ill respond to JAT's case point by point. The first little bit is based on my meta. I think that is a weak argument. He is talking about how I am not being as aggressive. Well different game different situation. Second point. Back off the policy talk was not defensive at all. I was heading your advice/agreeing with you. My scum hunting was based off of only lurkers? I didn't have anything else to scum hunt at the time. I didn't want to talk about inconsistencies in IV's play and over-analyze his first post, so I didn't chime in with Holy. After that is the best example of my inconsistency. My read on iV was changing, that's all that needs to be said. The rest I explained above. Overall it's still a weak case. My case on you was not just based on you agreeing with things. It doesn't sound like an impossible scenario to me. The only thing that really frustrates me about him is his tunneling against me. I already stated why his case is bullshit and I won't do this again here. I don't understand why he attacks me and not Omni (I know he leans scum on him but he pushes me instead). I would absolutely attack Omni right now if I was him. He even stated several times that Omni is the one who is pushing an agenda with the Day1 lynch but instead he fucking votes me for laughable reasons. I don't get it. But I also don't see why scum Deus would do this - it's just bad/stupid play. Also it weirds me out how everyone apart from iVLosk voted him without a problem. Either they are a very obvious scumteam (I won't call it impossible) or something doesn't add up here. Any thoughts? I will see if I can find a better target for my vote for now. Check out lone for me ya? Now, brb.
You are talking about omni, are suspicious of his agenda and get a chance to press him further? Slam asks you to tunnel lone instead, like what more shit do you need?
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Also, who was on the lone vote? Slam and Ivlosk, what other obvious alternative is there to framing him than voting off his lynch target?
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You can literally do that on Lone as well Holy and he never even comes up, Slam didn't give any real reads, I even asked him questions and he never answered them now that I look back at it. That's indicative of him being scum, not of me being scum.
Go through my filter, I've pushed my reads, I've contributed when asked, and I've tried to create conversation centered around scum hunting this entire game. Your goggles are pretty thick right now.
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But lone is dead and you are not.
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He wasn't super obvious town, didn't push slam or whatever, wasn't a real threat to anyone by way of his posts. If anything you or JAT would be better examples to kill but JAT voted slam and you stuck to Deus even though your second read is slam? what reasoning is that?? If slam and ivlosk were actually scum together they could have switched votes to deus at any time to save slam and I'm sure they'd be around for the vote for that to happen and your vote would have killed the townie.
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We voted slam so close to the deadline - they had no time to react and even if they had it would not have been enough because it would be slam - deus 3-3 with slam getting the votes first. Or did I make a mistake somewhere?
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We also have 1 blue, if it was a jailkeeper or cop they 100% would have blocked deus or checked him last night. Since we haven't heard from them that means deus is safe for now. Most likely we have a doctor and he has been missing who to save each night though. I think I know who the doctor is but that is irrelevant for now. Seeing as I am town and the person I think is blue is blue then that only leaves you on my suspicious list.
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