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On August 22 2013 04:18 justanothertownie wrote:
We voted slam so close to the deadline - they had no time to react and even if they had it would not have been enough because it would be slam - deus 3-3 with slam getting the votes first. Or did I make a mistake somewhere?
There is no way both scum would vote lone knowing that either slam or deus would get lynched that day.
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Also if iV had changed to Deus who he had a townread on this would have been extremely suspicious.
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On August 22 2013 04:19 Holyflare wrote:
We also have 1 blue, if it was a jailkeeper or cop they 100% would have blocked deus or checked him last night. Since we haven't heard from them that means deus is safe for now. Most likely we have a doctor and he has been missing who to save each night though. I think I know who the doctor is but that is irrelevant for now. Seeing as I am town and the person I think is blue is blue then that only leaves you on my suspicious list.
Careful here. Any good doctor should have saved Lone last night.
Also, is the mafia KP blockable? If it is factional jailing Deus wouldn't do anything. Or am I wrong?
I think a cop who didn't get a red check yet makes more sense but speculating about blue roles won't get us anywhere.
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Speculation is 100% what we need to do. It determines whether we can mislynch today or not.
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and yes
Congratulations, you are FXOLeenock, the Town Jailkeeper! Once per night, you can play a long macro game with another player, forcing them to stay at the GSL studio all night. While this roleblocks them, it also protects them from 1 KP. You win with the eSF players!
quoted from front page, it does block
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Your quote just states it protects from KP not that it prevents mafia from using them. That's what I meant.
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On August 22 2013 04:29 Holyflare wrote:
Speculation is 100% what we need to do. It determines whether we can mislynch today or not.
We can mislynch up to 2 times without any succesful saves from a jailkeeper or doctor before we lose the game.
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the 2nd mislynch would be game over
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On August 22 2013 04:07 Holyflare wrote:
But lone is dead and you are not.
literally doesn't address a single thing I just said. Yes I haven't played perfectly this game but not playing perfectly =/= being scum. My actions don't make sense from a scum point of view either, as I said read through my filter, I've been contributing all game long, pushing my reads, and I sure as hell didn't KNOW Slam would flip scum, my #1 read was Deus, #2 Slam. Why do you act like you knew Slam would flip scum while only acting on hindsight? It's stupid. Only Scum would know Slam was going to flip Scum, I don't know if you figured that out yet though. You were literally on the Deus bus pushing hard till Slam's 2nd extremely scummy vote and then bailed asap. Scum would know Slam would eventually get caught and lynched for how he was playing and would be ready to bus him to get town cred. You make it sound like I was trying to keep Slam alive without bussing him on top of all this. Scum wouldn't rely on having both players make it to the end game.
You're whole point that Slam doesn't mention me very much applies to a lot of people, that's how he was playing, as I said you literally can't find Lone anywhere in his filter, his conversations with LosK are completely pointless, and he straight up avoids answering my questions directed at him during D2.
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there are 4 town, 1 scum left.
I know I'm town, and I'm pretty sure you are town. If there is a cop he would have checked someone other than us 2 because we were on the slam lynch aka deus, omni or ivlosk. If he reveals that he got a town check on one of them then that's 4 confirmed people (or 3 if you are blue jat) and then we easy lynch off the 2 or 1 remaining. Since we can afford a mislynch.
Jailkeeper would be much the same reasoning as cop for revealing.
Doctor on the other hand, there's not much point theorising about that, he saves someone or he doesn't.
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and roleblocking should block scum....?
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Sorry, miscounted. Ok, we can only mislynch once.
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On August 22 2013 04:34 OmniEulogy wrote:literally doesn't address a single thing I just said. Yes I haven't played perfectly this game but not playing perfectly =/= being scum. My actions don't make sense from a scum point of view either, as I said read through my filter, I've been contributing all game long, pushing my reads, and I sure as hell didn't KNOW Slam would flip scum, my #1 read was Deus, #2 Slam. Why do you act like you knew Slam would flip scum while only acting on hindsight? It's stupid. Only Scum would know Slam was going to flip Scum, I don't know if you figured that out yet though. You were literally on the Deus bus pushing hard till Slam's 2nd extremely scummy vote and then bailed asap. Scum would know Slam would eventually get caught and lynched for how he was playing and would be ready to bus him to get town cred. You make it sound like I was trying to keep Slam alive without bussing him on top of all this. Scum wouldn't rely on having both players make it to the end game. You're whole point that Slam doesn't mention me very much applies to a lot of people, that's how he was playing, as I said you literally can't find Lone anywhere in his filter, his conversations with LosK are completely pointless, and he straight up avoids answering my questions directed at him during D2.
On August 19 2013 03:22 OmniEulogy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2013 03:14 justanothertownie wrote:
I agree with your reasoning itself, Omni. Deus and Alakaslam look quite scummy with their voting behaviour.
I am not so sure about IVLosk being town - I don't think his careless posting is enough to give him a town read especially because he is a veteran mafia player.
You raise some interesting points about HolyFlare. I will read him again (he was null to me before your case). please by all means pick my case apart as well, I wasn't able to say this because I was so late in joining this game but I believe not only does Koshi's death prove he was on the right track, but that in order to correctly pick the scum off the Xzavier lynch we need to go through each others cases and almost play devils advocate on how certain points might be considered town rather than scum. Admittedly at least in my case I find it very difficult to find town motivation behind a players actions after I think they are scum. I'll have to take another look at LosK then as well. He's messing around a lot which makes it very difficult for me to read him. I just don't think scum would be so openly ballsy as he is being lol
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On August 22 2013 04:36 Holyflare wrote:
and roleblocking should block scum....?
Roleblocking blocks roles not necessarily KP. Scum had a role.
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So you are saying that now you are tunneling me and we have no hope for you? Good to know.
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I'm saying I'm playing devils advocate like you asked.
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You aren't even coming close. I don't think you actually know what that means.
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entertain other notions and put out theories that I do not necessarily agree with, I'm not sure you understand what it means to be honest
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On August 22 2013 04:39 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2013 04:36 Holyflare wrote:
and roleblocking should block scum....? Roleblocking blocks roles not necessarily KP. Scum had a role.
roleblocking blocks kp, any action that is submitted a roleblocker can block
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On August 22 2013 04:44 Holyflare wrote:
entertain other notions and put out theories that I do not necessarily agree with, I'm not sure you understand what it means to be honest
you google that and have to quote it? Let me know where you're actually doing that though. You need another person putting something forward in order to do it, and all I've seen is you get out your shovel and start tunneling. Thanks for thinking my idea was really good and benefits town though.
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