EPTHe did say 1 interesting thing though, he said he didnt want to be lord because he needed to get his obv town status back. And that he wants to be lord day 3.
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Oatsmaster
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He did say 1 interesting thing though, he said he didnt want to be lord because he needed to get his obv town status back. And that he wants to be lord day 3. | ||
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Vivax
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Since you claimed that one scumread of yours is dead and the other now not suspicious anymore, I have not seen any efforts from you in figuring out who else could be scum. What's your take on Koshi, johnny and S & B? | ||
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Onegu
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Acrofales
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On August 13 2013 01:05 s0Lstice wrote: Unless I'm missing it, I don't see any specific details regarding the PMs from johnny and iamp that you cited as cause for your unvote of Rayn. You mentioned that they said your evidence wasn't strong, but were they also telling you he is town because of [reasons]? Insofar as I recall neither of them gave reasons for him being town, they just told me my tunnel was absurd. Maybe I am forgetting something from one of them explaining why he's town, but it was mainly getting yelled at to stop tunneling and start looking at other people. | ||
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Vivax
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On August 13 2013 01:09 Onegu wrote: Can we shoot Grack tonight he has info it shouldnt be possible for him to have. Do we have confirmation yet that no one of the lords passed him that information? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43188 Posts
On August 13 2013 01:13 Vivax wrote: Do we have confirmation yet that no one of the lords passed him that information? I think iamp said he didn´t. Who else could it have been? | ||
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Vivax
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On August 13 2013 01:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: I think iamp said he didn´t. Who else could it have been? Oberyn would have had to be involved in the PM chain for it to reach Grack. Brb later | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43188 Posts
On August 13 2013 01:20 Vivax wrote: Oberyn would have had to be involved in the PM chain for it to reach Grack. Brb later Yeah but noone can possibly tell info to Grack other than iamp (assuming Grack is town)... sooo... | ||
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Acrofales
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On August 13 2013 01:09 Vivax wrote: Acro, stop insulting people please. Since you claimed that one scumread of yours is dead and the other now not suspicious anymore, I have not seen any efforts from you in figuring out who else could be scum. What's your take on Koshi, johnny and S & B? Null leaning town, townish, useless (so probably scum, but I thought the same in PTP where he was useless inactive town, so put a "question mark, but would shoot" there instead). You yourself are about on par with SnB. I am used to you being a giant disruptive presence with decent intuition, but horrible at convinceing people when town. You are clearly not that. Apparently your only redeeming quality is pushing hard for lynching Yamato in private. In the list of utterly shite lurkers you forgot jrkirby. Kush has been so blatantly useless I find it hard to think of him as scum: I'd expect him to be a more careful blendy kind of useless, rather than a "haha, in your face, I'm useless, deal with it". Rayn you'll hear more on when I'm ready. Ace could be scum, but fucked if I know. He hasn't even read the thread yet. No reason to worry about him today. Honestly, I haven't put much effort into today. Between a red check and claiming scum, Yamato is a perfect lynch target, and there's plenty of lurkers who I would be happy to shoot with lordly power. The rest can wait til tomorrow. | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
i've been camping with my girlfriend for the weekend. the limited activity was because (1) bad cell reception and more importantly (2) lack of interest in mafia when camping with my girlfriend. I see that people are calling me scum because my activity dropped off, all i'll say to them for now is that if you think occasional inactivity is something I only show in scum games then you're either scum or lazy as fuck. I want to talk specifically to what vivax said about my pms during night 1. It's true that I was very malleable as regards where to send the KP. The plan from iamperfection and rayn was made while I was gone, and I hadn't read the thread at that point. I sent in the KP after reading gumshoe's filter and deciding that he was a good enough choice for a lurker shot, and I sent it as soon as I finished reading the thread because I was something like half an hour late for my assigned time slot, and didn't want to fuck up their plan for sending in the KP sequentially. But anyway, it seems the reason most people have been calling me scum isn't for anything I did, but for stopping paying attention to the game over the weekend. So the best way to shut that down is to start caring/paying attention, no? | ||
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Risen
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Risen
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Acrofales
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On August 13 2013 01:09 Onegu wrote: Can we shoot Grack tonight he has info it shouldnt be possible for him to have. What is the information he had, but shouldn't have had? Is it that your house wasn't talking to each other? Is that information actually true? (at least at the time) | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
On August 13 2013 01:29 Risen wrote: No need to ask, just do. It's looks scummy to me when people don't appear confident. Risen are you scum? Between your shitty d1 and useless d2 I find it hard to think of you as town. And now this post, where you tell someone they're looking scummy and they should do something differently so they stop looking scummy. Like what the fuck? | ||
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Clarity_nl
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as opposed to "Dude you look like scum, you're scum!" | ||
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Acrofales
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On August 13 2013 01:26 strongandbig wrote: okay i'm back after reading the previous ~45 pages of thread. i've been camping with my girlfriend for the weekend. the limited activity was because (1) bad cell reception and more importantly (2) lack of interest in mafia when camping with my girlfriend. I see that people are calling me scum because my activity dropped off, all i'll say to them for now is that if you think occasional inactivity is something I only show in scum games then you're either scum or lazy as fuck. I want to talk specifically to what vivax said about my pms during night 1. It's true that I was very malleable as regards where to send the KP. The plan from iamperfection and rayn was made while I was gone, and I hadn't read the thread at that point. I sent in the KP after reading gumshoe's filter and deciding that he was a good enough choice for a lurker shot, and I sent it as soon as I finished reading the thread because I was something like half an hour late for my assigned time slot, and didn't want to fuck up their plan for sending in the KP sequentially. But anyway, it seems the reason most people have been calling me scum isn't for anything I did, but for stopping paying attention to the game over the weekend. So the best way to shut that down is to start caring/paying attention, no? Yet another paragon of useful contribution. After reading 45 pages you must have something to say about the CONTENT of those pages, no? The Redwyne fleet is ready to sail north and stab you in the face. | ||
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Onegu
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Chromatically
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On August 12 2013 22:35 Clarity_nl wrote: I disagree. Me and xata came to the conclusion that unless the jailkeeper claim came from someone already thought to be town, we would end up lynching him. The way oberyn refused to give the 2nd name made it plausible for it to be a fakeclaim. I'd take the gamble as scum. Anyway, if we go with your conclusion, then our lynchpool tomorrow would look like this: snb vivax onegu oberyn + whoever didn't post between the fakeclaim and the confession of said fakeclaim (surely its more people than just snb and vivax?) That said, vivax spent a lot of time with me in pms n1 trying to convince me yamato is scum, so I think he's town. Oberyn, if scum, has played an amazing scumgame. Look at my interaction with him d1. So I think he's town That leaves onegu and snb, and I'm okay with that at this point, even if we came to the list with a conclusion I disagree with. Refreshing before I post: jkirby and koshi didn't post in that window according to onegu. I don't really like a koshi lynch but jkirby is definitely and option too. I think it's unlikely that scum wouldn't claim. Oberyn not revealing both names made perfect sense from the watcher standpoint, and there would be ways to make a JK claim believable, especially with the free day that lynching yamato gives. Which means that there's probably scum in that group, and it's probably Onegu. Since no one's brought it up yet, let's talk about what Onegu did around the FT lynch: On August 10 2013 12:25 Onegu wrote: Ok caught up, my thoughts on Firmtofu. Out of my seven games I have played 5 with tofu and he was town in all of them, never once has he asked about others thoughts before giving his own that was the first thing, also he is normally more active than this. His responses to cases against him arent that strong either. Second reign case on me, SnB asked me my thoughts on S0L and FT and there wasnt much to go on so I said we need more info, I wasnt just posting random shit. Also again I am disabled and have a disabled child so sometimes I will be very active as I have nothing else to do, but others I will be at a hospital or on medicine and not post much. Koshi looks scummy to me also, I will filter dive him now and bring up the points I found. Also I was the main reason oberyn was elected, I thought he was Prome smurf so I straight up told him I would vote him, I also told jrkirby this. I later found out he isnt prome, but I had many discussions with him before voteing and found him the best choice. Do we know when a house has used thier HP check? Or if I become lord can I find out if we still have it. Thinking about this maybe we shouldnt elect the same lord because if they are scum and use the HP check and we continue to elect them lord we will never find out if they used it or still have it. I also like the split lord kp on 2 targets. Onegu comes back to the thread and softly encourages the FT wagon without actually calling FT scum. He's not associating himself by supporting the mislynch, but he doesn't want to actually derail it. On August 10 2013 13:06 Onegu wrote: Why write this? What makes them all scum and why call out oats about haveing town reads on people. So you agree we shouldnt share townreads, but you just got finished calling out oats for not giving his townreads? The only question I have is why not just say ok chrome can be lord, why put your name up after saying you didnt want to be lord? If they havent given you a good reason why give up on it? That just doesnt make much sense. But you didnt push him that hard, and give me more reasons than they are completely useless. Then he goes through Koshi's filter and quotes every post he can paint as scummy, even though most of these aren't actually scummy at all. Keep in mind that Koshi was a pretty easy target at the time. There were quite a few reasons that had already been stated by others to want to lynch Koshi, so why put in so much effort to make an original "contribution" that's far weaker than the other points previously stated? Onegu makes NO effort at all to push his Koshi case, despite Koshi being his top scumread. He also makes no effort towards derailing the FT lynch. He shows far more interest in night shots than he does in the lynch. So Onegu: a) refused to take a stance on FT b) put in extra effort to write an original case on Koshi, even though his reasons were mostly not alignment-indicative c) didn't push his case on Koshi at all and showed complete apathy toward the lynch | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
(1) The big entry post - I talked some about this before, but it's total bullshit. He attacked Oats, Yamato, and DI for playing anti-town, shitting up the thread, fighting over nothing, etc. The problem is, this is exactly what they do EVERY GAME. Oats argues over stupid things, Yamato is touchy as fuck, and DI is the most anti-town town player possible. They are the very definition of easy targets for scum to attack exactly like Risen did - but Risen should have known better than to call them scum and push for their lynch off of it. (aside: On August 09 2013 03:27 Risen wrote:Oats is scum, Yamato is null The funny thing is that prior to looking into the filters I thought Yamato would come across as more scummy than Oats, and gave kush a pass while reading through because of that. Connection theory! Reads like scum not wanting to either attack their buddy or directly defending them. Although Yamato is super touchy, it is more out of character for him to take a fight so far in the fucking-the-thread direction than it is for Oats to do so, and Risen doesn't actually give any reasons why he thinks Yamato is a better scum target than Oats, he just asserts that his filter looks better.)In that post, he also calls Xatalos scum based on what boils down in part to a connection theory with his bullshit read on DI. Connection theories with unflipped (or un-scumclaimed) players? Okay, can be done by town, but shouldn't, another easy way for scum to generate reads. Another thing - just look at that post in general. It's huge, so he must be town right? (just ask austinmcc!) Nope, wrong! A large part of the post is stream-of-consciousness, much easier to write than an actual structured case. Also it's a list-post, shorter reads on large numbers of people, easy for scum to do and looks big. Most of the reads in the post are "easy reads" for scum to make, attacking people for playing in an anti-town fashion rather than for actually being scum and attacking other people for invented reasons. A lot of sound and fury, signifying nothing. The rest of his posting shows much less effort put into analyzing the game. An example is how Clarity is still his preferred lynch target in his final posts before N1, despite a lot more information being put into the thread and a lot more public discussion among the principals of that situation. He hasn't made any real cases since his first post, and he hasn't actually followed up on his DI, xatalos, or grackaroni reads. From the clear and huge difference in effort between his first post and the rest of his filter, it's clear that his first post was very much constructed and careful, which imo is a scum thing to do; additionally, the fact that he was careful and put effort into just writing that post makes it even more suspect that his reads in it were so obviously bad in such a specifically scummy way. So yeah, what I want to hear next is from people who've been in PMs with Risen, whether he's given more to them in terms of reads, cases, and indications that he's actually thinking carefully about the game than he has been in the thread. | ||
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Chromatically
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