GoT Mafia: Lords and Liars - Page 118

On August 13 2013 01:41 Acrofales wrote:

Yet another paragon of useful contribution. After reading 45 pages you must have something to say about the CONTENT of those pages, no?

The Redwyne fleet is ready to sail north and stab you in the face.

On August 13 2013 01:07 Oatsmaster wrote:
He didnt discuss the shot with me as far as I can see through our PMs.

He did say 1 interesting thing though, he said he didnt want to be lord because he needed to get his obv town status back. And that he wants to be lord day 3.

On August 13 2013 01:45 strongandbig wrote:
So here's what I want to talk about - why has Risen been getting a pass today? I don't even care about him being lord. It sounds completely reasonable that he would be chosen since his house was worried Rayne would die (although it seems like a better plan would have been for three to vote Rayne and Risen to vote himself, that way if Ryan dies Risen would be the next lord automatically). Anyway, we should be pressuring Risen for what's in his filter.

(1) The big entry post - I talked some about this before, but it's total bullshit.
He attacked Oats, Yamato, and DI for playing anti-town, shitting up the thread, fighting over nothing, etc. The problem is, this is exactly what they do EVERY GAME. Oats argues over stupid things, Yamato is touchy as fuck, and DI is the most anti-town town player possible. They are the very definition of easy targets for scum to attack exactly like Risen did - but Risen should have known better than to call them scum and push for their lynch off of it.

(aside: Connection theory! Reads like scum not wanting to either attack their buddy or directly defending them. Although Yamato is super touchy, it is more out of character for him to take a fight so far in the fucking-the-thread direction than it is for Oats to do so, and Risen doesn't actually give any reasons why he thinks Yamato is a better scum target than Oats, he just asserts that his filter looks better.)

In that post, he also calls Xatalos scum based on what boils down in part to a connection theory with his bullshit read on DI. Connection theories with unflipped (or un-scumclaimed) players? Okay, can be done by town, but shouldn't, another easy way for scum to generate reads.

Another thing - just look at that post in general. It's huge, so he must be town right? (just ask austinmcc!) Nope, wrong! A large part of the post is stream-of-consciousness, much easier to write than an actual structured case. Also it's a list-post, shorter reads on large numbers of people, easy for scum to do and looks big. Most of the reads in the post are "easy reads" for scum to make, attacking people for playing in an anti-town fashion rather than for actually being scum and attacking other people for invented reasons. A lot of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

The rest of his posting shows much less effort put into analyzing the game. An example is how Clarity is still his preferred lynch target in his final posts before N1, despite a lot more information being put into the thread and a lot more public discussion among the principals of that situation. He hasn't made any real cases since his first post, and he hasn't actually followed up on his DI, xatalos, or grackaroni reads. From the clear and huge difference in effort between his first post and the rest of his filter, it's clear that his first post was very much constructed and careful, which imo is a scum thing to do; additionally, the fact that he was careful and put effort into just writing that post makes it even more suspect that his reads in it were so obviously bad in such a specifically scummy way.

So yeah, what I want to hear next is from people who've been in PMs with Risen, whether he's given more to them in terms of reads, cases, and indications that he's actually thinking carefully about the game than he has been in the thread.

On August 12 2013 23:29 Oberyn wrote:

jrkirby told me that he was concerned about the FT lynch and expressed interest in a yamato lynch, refering to him as the scummiest player in the thread.

On August 10 2013 09:42 jrkirby wrote:
I just checked tofu's filter. Yeah, that guys is always way more active than this. That's not guaranteed scum, but it certainly is a sign.

On August 10 2013 06:49 jrkirby wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

People I want lynched/shot:
1) s0lstice. He claimed he didn't want to elect DI even though he thought that could easily determine if DI was scum. Enough reason to lynch right here.

2) sharant. I've heard he has a bunch of PM's but I haven't seen them. When he get into the thread he just starts defending Kush out of nowhere. None of it seems that useful and the evidence is largely meta. Kush hasn't been getting that much pressure anyway, so why does he need to defend like this?

3) oatsmaster. He posted a bunch of useless arguing with yamato at the beginning, which would be good if he had started making scumcases by now, but he's mostly given out townreads with the occasional we should lynch X with no real case.

4) Yamato. He is clearly the scummiest guy in our house. He didn't PM me until nearly the end of N0 for me to realize I got his real username wrong, and also was asking oberyn and onegu to vote for him. His arguments with oats just served to lengthen the thread without any real substance, and he hasn't posted any scumreads with substance.

On August 12 2013 23:29 Oberyn wrote:
I've gone over the pm's I have received from yamato post red flip:

In PM's, I asked jrkirby if he has been in contact with yamato and he replied that he sent a pm, but did not receive a response. I then asked yamato if he had been in contact with jrkirby and he responded that he has never received anything. When I confronted jrkirby about the conflict, he explained that he was sending the pms to yamato, rather than yamato77. The house PM did refer to him as yamato, without the numbering.

jrkirby told me that he was concerned about the FT lynch and expressed interest in a yamato lynch, refering to him as the scummiest player in the thread.

yamato sent a PM to Onegu stating that we should vote for him because he is the most experienced player on our team. I received the exact same PM. jrkirby indicated that he did not receive the same campaign speech. I find it incredibly odd that he wanted two of us to vote for him, but not the third. When I asked him about it, he claims to have found it incredibly strange not to have heard from him, but he will contact him once he has time. So why does he have time to contact two of us, but not the third?

yamato is not interested in giving an opinion on koshi/sol. He expresses suspcion about s&b, mostly one-liners.

I told yamato that he was currently the priority vig shot if he doesn't start posting and he replied as if he knew he was not the priority shot. Dirty scum Lord?

yamato PM'd me asking for my pms from Acro. He claimed that he was building a case on Acro for day two.

yamato claims vanilla to me this cycle.

On August 13 2013 01:35 Clarity_nl wrote:
"Dude you look like scum, here let me help you fix that"

as opposed to

"Dude you look like scum, you're scum!"

On August 13 2013 01:49 Chromatically wrote:
Risen said in PMs that Vivax was his #1 scumread, but his reasoning was pretty much only "he was noncommittal on FT". Hence why I want him to elaborate,

On August 13 2013 02:16 Clarity_nl wrote:
Risen when asked what happened to your opening giant post and what you still believe in you gave a very generic answer. Could you just like, take the 5 names you said were scum and tell us your current reads on them?

For reference:
Oats
Dl
Xata
Grack
Clarity

On August 13 2013 02:18 Risen wrote:
Really though my number one scum read right now is Rayn.

On August 13 2013 01:31 Risen wrote:
Shit. Rayne is scum.

On August 13 2013 02:22 Clarity_nl wrote:


The extent of what I know of your read on rayn is about the same as what I know of all your other reads:


Care to elaborate?

On August 13 2013 02:12 Risen wrote:


There's really no elaboration. I just feel like his posting indicates that he knows too much.

On August 13 2013 02:25 Risen wrote:


It's not a read.

On August 13 2013 02:18 Risen wrote:
Really though my number one scum read right now is Rayn.