EPTOn August 08 2013 03:06 phagga wrote:
Oats, learn to read.
Oats, learn to read.
fuck you.
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If the unlynchable is counter claimed once, then things get dicey as it could be either scum or jester. I had a plan for this but it's moot now. If the unlynchable was counterclaimed twice, then we have no worse than a 50/50 shot of winning. So the plan on forcing the claim isn't worthless like Hapa said. It actually bothers me that he thought it was. I want him to respond on why he thinks the correct claim for every role would be VT regardless of their actual role. | ||
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On August 08 2013 02:55 phagga wrote: The reason I objected had to do with the fact hat I tried to figure out geripts intentions and that I think town should be kept on a need to know basis. This is a really big key for me: On August 07 2013 16:31 phagga wrote: Ok, I have my own thoughts on this for later, but I guess it's worth a try. I'm VT. Which obviously means that at least one of you two is lying. You notice that he has no interest in following through on this. He "knows" that one of Oats/me are liars. But his continuation isn't to try and pressure either Oats, myself or Hapa (when he claims). He wants to focus on talking about the plan. Summary: It looks like he's trying to be lynched aka Jester. At worst, scum trying to be the jester. | ||
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On August 07 2013 18:24 Mocsta wrote: so I was actually calling u jester lol.... ima horny and green so... everyone has claimed, pls post ya logic This post feels wrong to me too. All the pms were strict role, nothing else. It doesn't feel Mocsta-ish to claim horny and green (greenhorn aka vt) instead of just giving his role. He's also a smart cat. I don't get why he doesn't see the automatic logic behind claiming. His plan that both town and scum want to lynch the lynchproof is ridiculous to me. You can preclude the option of lynching the lynchproof if you only get 1 lynchproof claim. If you get 2 it gets tricky, but there are options to figure out which to lynch and whether to avoid both and instead fire into the VTs. If you get 3 lynchproof claims, then you get to avoid the situation almost entirely. There's a distinct lack of Mocsta-logic so far as well. I can't put my figure on it, but he's prodding aiming to fire into Oats/Hapa/Me, but he's not getting to the point on anything. Everything he writes feels like he's trying to keep his options open on where to move/pressure instead of trying to actually pressure anyone or anything to divine their alignment. It's also very interesting to me that his focus seems fully on the jester and the right play around the jester. Sure that's a pivotal point to have town avoid the jester, but it's far more important for scum to avoid jester lynches than it is for town. Town just needs to hit scum. Scum needs to avoid Jester and find room to hide. | ||
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Hapahauli
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On August 08 2013 05:34 geript wrote: Here's the way I see it. The unlynchable claims and isn't counterclaimed that means that we're lynching in a pool of 4; it narrows the scope of who we need to look at. Assuming a townlynch D1 (scum/jester lynches are moot), if scum chooses to hit the unlynchable, then it's a 50/50 shot of winning for every team essentially. If the unlynchable is counter claimed once, then things get dicey as it could be either scum or jester. I had a plan for this but it's moot now. If the unlynchable was counterclaimed twice, then we have no worse than a 50/50 shot of winning. So the plan on forcing the claim isn't worthless like Hapa said. It actually bothers me that he thought it was. I want him to respond on why he thinks the correct claim for every role would be VT regardless of their actual role. The unlynchable townie should not claim... because he can't be lynched! The only way he can die is if he gets shot, and claiming puts a direct target on his back. You want him/her to claim to make things easier, but we would actually benefit more from having discussion and no-lynching the player rather than having him/her claim and getting insta-shot Night 1. On August 08 2013 05:41 geript wrote: On phagga. He looks like he's absolutely trying to get lynched. He just keeps on making these obvious non-towny sentiments in the thread. This is a really big key for me: You notice that he has no interest in following through on this. He "knows" that one of Oats/me are liars. But his continuation isn't to try and pressure either Oats, myself or Hapa (when he claims). He wants to focus on talking about the plan. Summary: It looks like he's trying to be lynched aka Jester. At worst, scum trying to be the jester. Nothing about either of these posts strike me as off or even "jester like." Him disagreeing with your plan is completely reasonable (since I can't even think of a good reason for it), and him not pursuing you or oats within a couple of pages of the game. Anyway I think Mocsta is scum. All his posts are completely contentless so far. For example, take this post: On August 07 2013 22:59 Mocsta wrote: 1. phagga is rubbing me the wrong way majorly. I dont like his response to me calling him a jester, and I don't like his reasonings for withholding "information" regarding claiming. 2. I think oats is dumb for giving geript so much credit for coming up with a plan. a. he claimed vt instantly...which usually happens in any game b. the plan was shite and to me still doesn't make sense even with phagga attempt to expand. ====== What do town want 1. Avoid lynching jester 2. Lynch scum, if too hard then lynch lynchproof What do mafia want 1. Avoid lynching jester 2. Lynch lynchproof 3. Lynch townie Why lynchproof first? Because it increases odds of non-jester lynch on day2. What do jester want? 1. Ask phagga I guess jester is like SK with balancing act. Want to keep low profile to avoid being shot, but still need to be scummy enough to be lynched. I wouldn't be surprised if jester claimed lynchproof on day2 as a last resort either. ==== The problem with the plan... Whilst its obvious to anyone claiming vt is normal play.... geript thinks it is wise to devise a plan hinging upon identifying lynchproofs...hhmmmmmmmmmm. and who wants to hit the lynchproof on day1.... Mafia does. He calls Oats "dumb" (which is both unnecessarily inflammatory AND trusting - why is Oat's "dumb" instead of "scum"). And he seems to be calling phagga simultaneously the jester and a scum-suspect without really making it clear why he thinks either. Phagga's reaction to Mocsta calling him Jester seems absurdly irrelevant, especially when Mocsta doesn't clarify anything about it. | ||
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On August 08 2013 06:06 geript wrote: only post #2 hapa? What's up in your world? Woke up at 4:30pm. Yeah I don't know why. | ||
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On August 08 2013 06:14 geript wrote: I'm used to seeing more insight from you but the stuff you have on Moc isn't really that damning to me. I'm surprised you don't have better analysis on him really. There's not much analysis, because there's really not much substance there. The guy is posting inconsequential things and sounds like he's posting for the sake of it rather than posting genuinely. Obviously things early in the game won't be damning, but of all the players in the game that have posted so far, Mocsta looks by far the worst. Oats is being very confrontational/spazzy, which is pretty semblant of his townplay. Phagga sounds extremely paranoid (townie) in reaction to Mocsta's "jester" thing. You have your try-hard pants on. That leaves Mocsta so far, and his filter ain't pretty. He has very little susbstance in his posting, and his first "analysis" post lacks a lot of the "methodical" thought-process I associate him with. | ||
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On August 08 2013 08:05 geript wrote: TI3? Would you agree that you're usually more active? What's changed? Like I remember you being reasonably active in hydra nuke edition. The International 3 (see TL streaming sidebar) As far as activity goes, it is usually based around gameflow. I'm actually not always very active early in the game, and I base my activity around the town's need for a leader and/or generating discussion. Right now, I have a scum-read and I'm waiting for that player to respond. The only other person that's awake right now is you, and you seem absurdly townie. I would love to have a town circle-jerk with you right now, but we seem to agree on reads. | ||
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Hapahauli
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On August 08 2013 08:19 geript wrote: You see I'm not 100% sold on Mocsta and I too want to see what all he has to say. I've had scum reads on him before and it's flipped in a heartbeat. Not really enough to get real good use of meta already. My problem is that I don't have a real read on you and I can only really judge you by your reads. So do you think phagga is jester or how do you read him? Also what do you think of Oats? I'm not sold on the phagga = jester thing. Nothing about his game has been scummy so far, and I think his reaction to Mocsta calling him jester was townie. His reaction had a paranoia about it, if you read the string of posts from here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=424302¤tpage=4#66 It seems genuine and you can see his mind unravel around Mocsta's "claim." Oats... ...is probably town. | ||
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On August 08 2013 08:31 geript wrote: He's done that as scum though too iirc. It was in the unbalanced nuke game. I don't consider that necessarily a town tell for him at all. And, while I've only skimmed his filter, I don't have an actual read on him. Why does that one post make him probably town when he does that as both alignments? Well firstly no read is 100% at this point in the game. That being said, I associate uncompromising behavior with Oats' town-side. I remember that Nuke game he played (as a Hydra) pretty well, and he was pretty friendly by his standards. | ||
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