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Blazinghand
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Please read the entire thread before signing up. Thank you.
* Ange777 will be co-hosting this game. Please ensure you send all night actions to both her and myself.
*There are no coaches in this game.
Gold Rush Micro Mafia
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Introduction:
Mafia is an educated guessing game of epic proportions. The objective of the game is to lynch or kill all mafia members before they outnumber the rest of the town. It's much like a game of poker because mafia members are also part of the town during the day and may manipulate the vote to their liking. If the mafia at any time outnumber or equal the townspeople, they win. The town's goal is to lynch all the members of the mafia.
The game is typically very active, so the thread will get big quickly. However, it is essential to read the thread to play the game. If you do not have the time or patience to read the whole thread, do not play. I will not compensate for ignorance.
Rules:
Cheating:
Cheating includes (but is not limited to):
1. Posting after death. You may have one polite goodbye post, but it may not contain any potentially game-changing information.
2. Ruining the game by doing something like hand out your mafia's member list to the town.
3. Logging on to someone else's account to get their role or looking over someone's shoulder to get their role.
4. Comparing role PM times to determine roles.
5. Posting screenshots of your inbox.
6. Posting or sharing any PM you receive from a host.
7. Getting yourself modkilled to help your team. Your non-majority-decided death may not be used as a bargaining chip.
8. Signing up more than once using smurf accounts.
9. Betting items outside of the game in exchange for in-game benefits.
10. Sharing accounts with other players unless cleared by the host in advance. Otherwise, only you may post on your account.
Cheating is not tolerated here. The punishment will be severe.
Posting:
Mod Font:
This is mod font. It is reserved for moderators. Please do not use it.
Rules specific to this game are also shown in blue text in this thread.
Question Font:
This is question font. Use it to ask the moderators questions about the rules. Please do us a favor and read the rules before you ask anything.
Activity:
You must post in this thread at least once per 24 hours during the day while you are alive. I'll probably try to warn you first, but if you fail to follow activity rules, you will be inactivity modkilled. This is a fast game. Be fast. If you are inactivity modkilled, I will be very angry >:|
Off-Topic:
Try to stay on-topic while playing 
Smurfs:
If you want to smurf, ask me.
Hydras:
If you want to Hydra, ask me.
Spam:
There are no spam rules this game.
Editing:
Editing is not allowed for any reason. Editing is not allowed. You get one (1) warning for editing. After that, you will be modkilled. Sorry ;_; but as Tupac would tell you that's just the way it is (nanana, nanana, nanana that's just the way it is nanana nanana nanana things will never be the same)
Inappropriate posts:
If you want to post something insulting or inappropriate and know the TL mods would have a problem with it elsewhere, don't post it here. If you do, a host will warn you or modkill you and request that you be banned from future games. The hosts have the final say on what is inappropriate. If you do not like how someone is talking to you, please PM a host, Flamewheel, or Mig before involving the TL staff. If you are unsatisfied with how the situation is resolved, then you can appeal to the TL staff normally. Stuff like "this argument is dumb because XYZ" is fine. Stuff like "you are doing ABC, which is dumb" or "you're dumb if you do ABC" is mostly fine. Stuff like "you're dumb. lolooloooo" is not fine. I'm very verbal about people getting out of line, so if you cross the line I will let you know.
Reporting posts:
The report button is a nice feature for regular TL, but not for this forum. We prefer to deal with things in house if possible to avoid confusion among the TL staff. If you have a problem with how someone is posting, talk to the host, co-host, Flamewheel, or Mig before using your report button. Please do not use your report button for anything other than inappropriate posts which you feel are not being dealt with adequately.
Ban discussions:
Please wait until this game is over to talk about modkills and bans resulting from this game.
Play to win.
This means you play your best to help your team win while you are alive and in the game. If you're not playing to win I will modkill you. But this won't be a problem, because if you don't want to win you can just not sign up k?
This also means that you cannot leave the game without a good reason without a ban. These situations will be dealt with on a case by case basis. This is a tiny game though so if you leave it it will ruin it for others.
You have been warned! bwahahaha
Voting rules:
1. Voting is done in the game thread. Do not PM me your vote.
2. Please vote in the following format: ##Vote DoYouHas. Votes not done in the correct fashion will not be counted. I will update vote counts whenever I get the chance.
3. No conditional voting.
4. You may NOT vote for yourself. You may not vote for anyone dead or outside the game-- or rather, such votes will not count.
4.5. You can't vote for a no-lynch if you want to.
5. This game follows an instant simple majority lynch. The instant a player has the majority of votes on him, the day ends. So if there are 8 players you need 5 to lynch, if there are 7 players you need 4 to lynch.
6. Voting by the end of a mandated cycle is mandatory. If the day ends due to a lynch, it's okay to not have voted.
7. Once a majority has been reached, please do not post until the night-post.
Signups:
Eligibility
Anyone may sign up for this game, but there are two conditions. 1: you must be clearly capable of playing in an Instant Majority Lynch game, either by having played one before, or by having played in several games of mafia before-- and 2: you must promise to live up the spirit of this game in terms of how you play. You must have fun!
Invites
This is an open-invite game. Anyone is welcome!
Game-specific rules:
Modkills:
This game follows the TL Mafia Ban List. If you are modkilled, your punishment will go beyond being eliminated from this game. Please refer to it for questions about your punishment. If you want to use this game to sit out your ban, please PM Flamewheel or post in the Ban List, and also type /sitout in the thread here.
Replacements
I love replacements, but I hope never to use them. There is one replacement slot for this game. Replacement can happen only during the first day, and only during the first 24 hours of that day. Due to the high-speed, low-size nature of this game any inactivity modkill after the 24-hour-mark will result in a standard ban. My normal leniency will not be present.
Clues:
There are no clues.
PMs
PMs are not allowed in this game.
Time Cycle:
This game will follow a silent, deadline-less night/deadline-less day cycle. The day lasts until a majority is reached. If enough time passes without a majority being lynched, I will post in the thread and state a deadline for a no-lynch in order to prevent horrible 3-week-long days where nothing happens. If a day happens to be long but discussion is still moving, I will not do this. The night lasts until all night actions are in and I get around to the day post. You may not post at night.
Credits:
Thanks to anyone who has ever hosted a game. This list grows ever longer. Special thanks to vaderseven for going over this setup with me. Also thanks to Probulous since I stole this OP from him and modified it to my nefarious needs. Also also thanks to Ange777 for helping me with the setup, and for co-hosting.
If you have not read all the rules, go back and do so. I might give you candy.
I am open to questions any time. If something doesn't make sense, please ask.
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
Roles and Setup information
This is an opening setup. The setup is closed right now, but additional information will be posted when the game starts.
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Blazinghand
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Blazinghand
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A reminder about the unique rules for this game:
-You must post at least once per 24 hours
-Instant Majority Lynch
-Silent Nights
-Opening Setup
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I want to play this but no time 
/obs
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/in
This might be my first mislynch
Muahaha
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an Ange game! lucky whoever gets to play
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I believe this game is now full house
I look forward to phagga as the low hanging fruit
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Btw
wtf is a silent deadlineless night... Surely if silent, night can be capped to 24hrs......
Hmmm perhaps a opened mechanic will be revealed
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On August 07 2013 14:37 Mocsta wrote:
Btw
wtf is a silent deadlineless night... Surely if silent, night can be capped to 24hrs......
Hmmm perhaps a opened mechanic will be revealed
probably a random amount between 6-12 hours after night actions submitted.
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I really don't get the point of a silent night. If you're going to have a silent night, then why not have actions locked after the first 24 hours of day and with the end of day post have NKs happen then and go straight from day to day.
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On August 07 2013 14:47 geript wrote:
I really don't get the point of a silent night. If you're going to have a silent night, then why not have actions locked after the first 24 hours of day and with the end of day post have NKs happen then and go straight from day to day.
Sir.. this is majestic scum play.
How can u lock nights during day cycle....
Plus. Day is instant majority...
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
Basically I could have the game be nightless, but that would require like a lot of effort from me so instead I just do silent night with a length of my choosing, possibly a length of "no length" if scum sends in the nk ahead of time. If not I can just wait around.
don't question my laziness, it is supreme, this is a themed game nights work how i want them to work!
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Can we get roles and start right now  purrty purrty pleese
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On August 07 2013 14:34 Mocsta wrote:
I believe this game is now full house
I look forward to phagga as the low hanging fruit
I'm so gonna go bananas on you.
Also, this ain't nomination mafia.
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Also... Oats.. You best on afk all game like you did the last one.
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On August 07 2013 15:17 Blazinghand wrote:
Basically I could have the game be nightless, but that would require like a lot of effort from me so instead I just do silent night with a length of my choosing, possibly a length of "no length" if scum sends in the nk ahead of time. If not I can just wait around.
don't question my laziness, it is supreme, this is a themed game nights work how i want them to work!
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On August 07 2013 15:18 phagga wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 14:34 Mocsta wrote:
I believe this game is now full house
I look forward to phagga as the low hanging fruit
I'm so gonna go bananas on you. Also, this ain't nomination mafia.
Lol
The worst thing about this is... U weren't scum in nomination hahah
But yes thank u for recognising the quote
Funny how in a game of 200pages and many cases...one line in one case can stand out
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I remember that quote now. I knew I had read it somewhere.
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wtfff BlazingHand on a hosting spree!
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On August 07 2013 15:26 Ace wrote:
wtfff BlazingHand on a hosting spree!
May have been bitten by authors' bug
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God damn it. Shitty time for me to lose reliable internet for a few days.
Really wanted to play this.
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
This thread is now closed until the day start! The day will start within the next 15 minutes. I will be posting the setup before the day start. Do not comment between the setup being posted and the day starting.
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
This is not the game start. This is the setup. Read it carefully! If something doesn't make sense, PM me.
Roles:
Miners
Miners' Win Con: Miners win when the Goon is dead. They lose if Night 2 starts, or if the Jester is lynched.
Greenhorn (Vanilla Townie): You are a VT.
Sourdough (Lynchproof Townie): You are basically a VT, but also your power is that if you would get lynched, instead you don't get lynched and the day ends in a no-lynch.
Outlaw
Outlaw's Win Con: Outlaw wins if Night 2 starts. 1 factional unblockable KP. Scum loses if he or the Jester gets lynched.
Claim Jumper (Goon): You are a goon.
Chaos Butterflies
Chaos Butterfly (Jester): You win if you get lynched (but not if you get shot), ending the game instantly in a loss for all other players. If you are endgamed by the town, or if you get shot instead of getting lynched, you lose. Being endgamed by scum is a partial victory.
Setup:
2x VT
1x Lynchproof
1x Jester
1x Goon
It's also worth noting in this game you can't vote for yourself, and you can't vote for a no-lynch (though of course you can choose not to vote, or lynch the lynchproof townie).
Sample Role PMs: VT VT Lynchproof Townie Jester Goon
This is not the Day 1 post. The thread is still closed.
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
Gold Rush Micro Mafia
Day 1
A final recap:
-You must post at least once per 24 hours
-Instant Majority Lynch
-Silent Nights
-It's also worth noting in this game you can't vote for yourself, and you can't vote for a no-lynch.
-Voting is done in this thread
-If a majority is reached (and I know yall can count to 3) no posting until Ange or I get to the thread!
-final double secret rule is make sure to listen to the song!
Welcome to Day 1! This Day ends when a majority (3 votes) is reached! The game has begun! gogo!
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VT
Time to insta claim folks
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Blazinghand
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Anyone want to obs, PM me or ange777, preferably her, for the QT. I'm gonna sleep. If a majority is reached, stop posting.
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On August 07 2013 15:58 geript wrote:
VT
Time to insta claim folks
why do you want to insta claim?
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On August 07 2013 15:39 Blazinghand wrote:
This thread is now closed until the day start! The day will start within the next 15 minutes. I will be posting the setup before the day start. Do not comment between the setup being posted and the day starting.
On August 07 2013 15:58 Blazinghand wrote:
D1 stuff
OMG U SO LAZY BH!!!! Y U TAKE 4 XTRA MIN?
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On August 07 2013 16:00 phagga wrote:why do you want to insta claim?
because there's no reason not to insta claim. I expect to get 3 unlynchables, 2 unlynchables or 1 unlynchable. All of those situations telegraph where we need to go with the lynch.
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On August 07 2013 16:00 phagga wrote:why do you want to insta claim?
Why don't you want to insta claim?
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On August 07 2013 16:00 phagga wrote:why do you want to insta claim?
kenpachi rule! BAM!
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On August 07 2013 16:03 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 16:00 phagga wrote:On August 07 2013 15:58 geript wrote:
VT
Time to insta claim folks why do you want to insta claim? kenpachi rule! BAM!
No. Play the game. There is no kenpachi rule other than if he and only he says starsenses.
Y U SO BAD OATS?
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On August 07 2013 16:03 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 16:03 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 07 2013 16:00 phagga wrote:On August 07 2013 15:58 geript wrote:
VT
Time to insta claim folks why do you want to insta claim? kenpachi rule! BAM! No. Play the game. There is no kenpachi rule other than if he and only he says starsenses. Y U SO BAD OATS?
kenpachi rule is how I caught rayn in I swear 2. dont shittalk it boy
im vt
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On August 07 2013 16:02 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 16:00 phagga wrote:On August 07 2013 15:58 geript wrote:
VT
Time to insta claim folks why do you want to insta claim? Why don't you want to insta claim?
Why do you answer my question with a question?
Seriously though, I don't see a reason to instaclaim until you have a decent plan that hinges on claiming. So far I'm not seeing how we benefit of giving out this information.
Keep town on a need to know basis.
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On August 07 2013 16:07 phagga wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 16:02 geript wrote:On August 07 2013 16:00 phagga wrote:On August 07 2013 15:58 geript wrote:
VT
Time to insta claim folks why do you want to insta claim? Why don't you want to insta claim? Why do you answer my question with a question? Seriously though, I don't see a reason to instaclaim until you have a decent plan that hinges on claiming. So far I'm not seeing how we benefit of giving out this information. Keep town on a need to know basis.
you lynchproof?
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no wait you know what.
Phagga is either jester or scum playing as jester.
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On August 07 2013 16:08 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 16:07 phagga wrote:On August 07 2013 16:02 geript wrote:On August 07 2013 16:00 phagga wrote:On August 07 2013 15:58 geript wrote:
VT
Time to insta claim folks why do you want to insta claim? Why don't you want to insta claim? Why do you answer my question with a question? Seriously though, I don't see a reason to instaclaim until you have a decent plan that hinges on claiming. So far I'm not seeing how we benefit of giving out this information. Keep town on a need to know basis. you lynchproof?
And now you're fishing for my role, nice.
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Here let me spell it out for you because apparently you missed the obvious logic of it:
We get 3 unlynchable claims = no worse than 33% win chance
We get 1 unlynchabl claim = no worse than 25% win chance, but really since every VT will be able to recognize that only 1 unlynchable claim and therefore limit his scum hunting to 1 of 3 people which gives us good odds to find scum instead of jester
We get 2 unlynchable claims = it gets tricky I have a plan for this specifically but it doesn't work if I explain it.
As you can see, every situation of claiming is pro town. Not one single bad option.
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Oats... your role before I shoot you.
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nm it was phagga who didn't give role
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On August 07 2013 16:12 geript wrote:
Oats... your role before I shoot you.
with your imaginary gun?
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So far in order:
Geript -- VT
Oats -- VT
Phagga doing total bs
Mocsta MIA
Hapa MIA
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##Shoot Oatsmaster in the face until he dies
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I'll draw a pretty picture of you later k dear.
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ok, phagga/Moc/Hapa plz claim
night night time for me.
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On August 07 2013 16:15 geript wrote:
I'll draw a pretty picture of you later k dear.
qtpie
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On August 07 2013 16:12 geript wrote:
Here let me spell it out for you because apparently you missed the obvious logic of it:
We get 3 unlynchable claims = no worse than 33% win chance
We get 1 unlynchabl claim = no worse than 25% win chance, but really since every VT will be able to recognize that only 1 unlynchable claim and therefore limit his scum hunting to 1 of 3 people which gives us good odds to find scum instead of jester
We get 2 unlynchable claims = it gets tricky I have a plan for this specifically but it doesn't work if I explain it.
As you can see, every situation of claiming is pro town. Not one single bad option.
Ok, I have my own thoughts on this for later, but I guess it's worth a try.
I'm VT.
Which obviously means that at least one of you two is lying.
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On August 07 2013 16:31 phagga wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 16:12 geript wrote:
Here let me spell it out for you because apparently you missed the obvious logic of it:
We get 3 unlynchable claims = no worse than 33% win chance
We get 1 unlynchabl claim = no worse than 25% win chance, but really since every VT will be able to recognize that only 1 unlynchable claim and therefore limit his scum hunting to 1 of 3 people which gives us good odds to find scum instead of jester
We get 2 unlynchable claims = it gets tricky I have a plan for this specifically but it doesn't work if I explain it.
As you can see, every situation of claiming is pro town. Not one single bad option. Ok, I have my own thoughts on this for later, but I guess it's worth a try. I'm VT. Which obviously means that at least one of you two is lying.
or you could be lying.
Explain bad things about claiming NOW.
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I don't want to explain it because it might influence the claims. So I'd like to wait until these are over.
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On August 07 2013 16:38 phagga wrote:
I don't want to explain it because it might influence the claims. So I'd like to wait until these are over.
??????????????????????????????
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On August 07 2013 16:49 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 16:38 phagga wrote:
I don't want to explain it because it might influence the claims. So I'd like to wait until these are over. ??????????????????????????????
Should not be that hard to understand. What I think about the plans might influence what other people claim, so I don't want to post it now.
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Hi guys
I was going to copy and paste a post from the town/scum guessing game that ibthought was town.. but then figured the best way to claim was as follows
+ Show Spoiler +this is not alignment indicative..as I have yet to read my role pm Lola
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Oshit did not expect this to start today.
Imma VT, but this claim thing is really silly since the optimal claim for literally every single role is to claim VT.
Anyway it's bedtime for me - see y'all in the morning.
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On August 07 2013 17:23 Mocsta wrote:Hi guys I was going to copy and paste a post from the town/scum guessing game that ibthought was town.. but then figured the best way to claim was as follows + Show Spoiler +this is not alignment indicative..as I have yet to read my role pm Lola
I don't get what you want to say.
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Hmmm reminds me a lot of palmars game with a jester and no time limit.
We have 3 vt claims in geript.oats.phagga so far.
clearly someone is lying already.
I'm inclined to think phagga
1. He's phagga and. Playing too serious for early game
2. He's phagga and. Hence. The low hanging fruit
3. He's phagga
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On August 07 2013 17:31 phagga wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 17:23 Mocsta wrote:Hi guys I was going to copy and paste a post from the town/scum guessing game that ibthought was town.. but then figured the best way to claim was as follows + Show Spoiler +this is not alignment indicative..as I have yet to read my role pm Lola I don't get what you want to say.
Jester right 'ere
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On August 07 2013 17:39 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 17:31 phagga wrote:On August 07 2013 17:23 Mocsta wrote:Hi guys I was going to copy and paste a post from the town/scum guessing game that ibthought was town.. but then figured the best way to claim was as follows + Show Spoiler +this is not alignment indicative..as I have yet to read my role pm Lola I don't get what you want to say. Jester right 'ere
You're joking, right?
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ok, you're not joking, it makes sense in my head. You're either the real jester or the goon claiming jester. Funny.
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On August 07 2013 17:38 Mocsta wrote:Hmmm reminds me a lot of palmars game with a jester and no time limit. We have 3 vt claims in geript.oats.phagga so far. clearly someone is lying already. I'm inclined to think phagga 1. He's phagga and. Playing too serious for early game 2. He's phagga and. Hence. The low hanging fruit 3. He's phagga
You missed Hapas claim. And when have I ever not played seriously in the early game? I've been called out for being tryhard early game more than once.
Ok, this is not what I expected to happen at all, although it makes sense for either not-town role to claim jester. What I'm more surprised is that the unlynchable did not claim yet. I suppose someone is holding back to draw out a fakeclaim? That did not really work though, as we have 4 claimed VTs and a jester now.
Oats: Why are you so keen that I'd reveal my thoughts on the plan when geript was holding back on some explanation as well?
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On August 07 2013 17:42 phagga wrote:
ok, you're not joking, it makes sense in my head. You're either the real jester or the goon claiming jester. Funny.
lol....people looking at me funny cos I actually lol'd in public.
why u so tense phagga?
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that's just my way to play. Can't change who I am.
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On August 07 2013 17:09 phagga wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 16:49 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 07 2013 16:38 phagga wrote:
I don't want to explain it because it might influence the claims. So I'd like to wait until these are over. ?????????????????????????????? Should not be that hard to understand. What I think about the plans might influence what other people claim, so I don't want to post it now.
so I was actually calling u jester lol....
ima horny and green
so... everyone has claimed, pls post ya logic
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On August 07 2013 18:24 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 17:09 phagga wrote:On August 07 2013 16:49 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 07 2013 16:38 phagga wrote:
I don't want to explain it because it might influence the claims. So I'd like to wait until these are over. ?????????????????????????????? Should not be that hard to understand. What I think about the plans might influence what other people claim, so I don't want to post it now. so I was actually calling u jester lol.... ima horny and green so... everyone has claimed, pls post ya logic
Oh. I feel stupid now.
basically there were some constellations that would confirm towns (3 claimed unlynchables / 2 claimed jesters / 1 claimed unlynchable), which is why I liked the idea of claiming, but I obviously could not say that back then.
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so basically I held back from contributing to the thread to then spew rhetoric?
hmmmm, j3stah, talk to me about the master of cereals
do u think oats is town or scum?
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ebwop... basically *you* held back
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On August 07 2013 18:59 Mocsta wrote:
so basically I held back from contributing to the thread to then spew rhetoric?
hmmmm, j3stah, talk to me about the master of cereals
do u think oats is town or scum?
Uh what? Where did I say I'd hold back with contributing to the thread? I just said I did not want to publish my thoughts on geripts plan at that point, and it should be obvious why.
regarding Oats, can't tell yet. I don't see anything alignement-indicative yet. What's your take on him?
Also, what do you think of geripts plan?
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(1) Well i find it ironic u held back, yet quoted something akin to Geript plan
(2) Oats, hes typically spammy at start but usually has a purpose. I dunno .. from his limited posts so far I feel like hes trying to achieve nothing. Would like to see more from him.
(3) I dont like the plan; mainly becuase I dont get it.
What do u think of Geript plan? Considering u seem to agere with it?? can yoiu pleaes explain it to me.
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who the fuck claims jester?????????????
seriously guys...
Phagga is probably jester.
Mocsta/Hapa might be scum, hapa posted 1 no content post.
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On August 07 2013 19:45 Oatsmaster wrote:
who the fuck claims jester?????????????
seriously guys...
Phagga is probably jester.
Mocsta/Hapa might be scum, hapa posted 1 no content post.
Thnx for the lolz
no1 claimed jester
Read before you Post ffs
(1) Why is Geript off ya list?
(2) Why is hapa scum when hes in a valid timezone for sleeping...?
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On August 07 2013 19:38 Mocsta wrote:
(1) Well i find it ironic u held back, yet quoted something akin to Geript plan
(2) Oats, hes typically spammy at start but usually has a purpose. I dunno .. from his limited posts so far I feel like hes trying to achieve nothing. Would like to see more from him.
(3) I dont like the plan; mainly becuase I dont get it.
What do u think of Geript plan? Considering u seem to agere with it?? can yoiu pleaes explain it to me.
(1) Perhaps my post was just unclear? What I meant here is that I'm holding my thoughts on geripts plan back. Of course if I then later post them they look like geripts plan, because they are tied to his plan.
Well, after he lined it out I thought the plan was ok. I was back then expecting the unlynchable to claim under any circumstance, although I see now why he doesn't (makes more sense to claim D2 if still alive). With that in mind, I expected the claims to give us some lead on who to lynch. At the same time I saw no real downside for town. Hence I thought the plan is worth trying out. Also, as I explained, I hoped that scum and/or jester might make a mistake with claiming, leading to confirmed townies.
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On August 07 2013 20:04 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 19:45 Oatsmaster wrote:
who the fuck claims jester?????????????
seriously guys...
Phagga is probably jester.
Mocsta/Hapa might be scum, hapa posted 1 no content post. Thnx for the lolz no1 claimed jester Read before you Post ffs (1) Why is Geript off ya list? (2) Why is hapa scum when hes in a valid timezone for sleeping...?
1) geript started it with a plan. within like 5 minutes of the game starting. I dunno, but I feel that its unlikely for scum to do that.
2) He had enough time to post 1 post. Its absolutely useless.
I know no one claimed jester, I have no idea what phagga is saying about jester claiming jester or scum claiming jester. NO ONE WOULD DO THAT. Why? Because if you have 2 jesterclaims, you have to look scummier than the real jester. A bit difficult. And the jester will claim if scum claims jester I feel.
So no one claims jester.
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Why were you adverse to claiming at the start phagga?
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On August 07 2013 20:23 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 20:04 Mocsta wrote:On August 07 2013 19:45 Oatsmaster wrote:
who the fuck claims jester?????????????
seriously guys...
Phagga is probably jester.
Mocsta/Hapa might be scum, hapa posted 1 no content post. Thnx for the lolz no1 claimed jester Read before you Post ffs (1) Why is Geript off ya list? (2) Why is hapa scum when hes in a valid timezone for sleeping...? 1) geript started it with a plan. within like 5 minutes of the game starting. I dunno, but I feel that its unlikely for scum to do that. 2) He had enough time to post 1 post. Its absolutely useless. I know no one claimed jester, I have no idea what phagga is saying about jester claiming jester or scum claiming jester. NO ONE WOULD DO THAT. Why? Because if you have 2 jesterclaims, you have to look scummier than the real jester. A bit difficult. And the jester will claim if scum claims jester I feel. So no one claims jester.
In my usual early game eagerness I missunderstand Mocstas post as a jester claim, which it wasn't. My brain started to WIFOM be stupid immediatly. I'm cool now. I had lunch, another coffee and am calmed down. let's just not speak about it anymore, because I feel a bit ashamed.
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On August 07 2013 20:25 Oatsmaster wrote:
Why were you adverse to claiming at the start phagga?
Because I did not see any good reason in doing so. Why give out information if it doesn't benefit town? That's why I asked what geript had in mind.
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On August 07 2013 20:28 phagga wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 20:25 Oatsmaster wrote:
Why were you adverse to claiming at the start phagga? Because I did not see any good reason in doing so. Why give out information if it doesn't benefit town? That's why I asked what geript had in mind.
what information? That you are a vt? How does that benefit scum?
Im currently thinking you were stalling for time to see what other people do phagga. Which means you arent town.
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- I wanted to know what geripts plan was. No matter what role I have, I wanted that information first. Part of this is that he is more likely to give me information if I withhold the information he wants from me.
- Only you and geript had claimed at that point. If I would think that geripts plan was harmful, I would still have had a chance to stop the other two from claiming. But it looks kinda stupid if I just claim VT and then tell the others they should not claim for whatever reason.
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Oats, what do you think of geripts plan? You were quite eager to claim VT right off the bat.
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On August 07 2013 20:51 phagga wrote:
- I wanted to know what geripts plan was. No matter what role I have, I wanted that information first. Part of this is that he is more likely to give me information if I withhold the information he wants from me.
- Only you and geript had claimed at that point. If I would think that geripts plan was harmful, I would still have had a chance to stop the other two from claiming. But it looks kinda stupid if I just claim VT and then tell the others they should not claim for whatever reason.
What? So you dont actually have a reason for not claiming. Huh.
Why wont geript as town tell you the plan? Like I dont see why your actions would affect when he tells us the plan. Ego a bit large?
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On August 07 2013 20:54 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 20:51 phagga wrote:
- I wanted to know what geripts plan was. No matter what role I have, I wanted that information first. Part of this is that he is more likely to give me information if I withhold the information he wants from me.
- Only you and geript had claimed at that point. If I would think that geripts plan was harmful, I would still have had a chance to stop the other two from claiming. But it looks kinda stupid if I just claim VT and then tell the others they should not claim for whatever reason. What? So you dont actually have a reason for not claiming. Huh. Why wont geript as town tell you the plan? Like I dont see why your actions would affect when he tells us the plan. Ego a bit large?
I wrote my reasons for withholding the information, you just seem unable to understand them.
Why do you know that geript is town? And again, why put out information about our roles into the thread if there is no benefit for town? That's why I first wanted to know what his plan is.
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On August 07 2013 21:01 phagga wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 20:54 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 07 2013 20:51 phagga wrote:
- I wanted to know what geripts plan was. No matter what role I have, I wanted that information first. Part of this is that he is more likely to give me information if I withhold the information he wants from me.
- Only you and geript had claimed at that point. If I would think that geripts plan was harmful, I would still have had a chance to stop the other two from claiming. But it looks kinda stupid if I just claim VT and then tell the others they should not claim for whatever reason. What? So you dont actually have a reason for not claiming. Huh. Why wont geript as town tell you the plan? Like I dont see why your actions would affect when he tells us the plan. Ego a bit large? I wrote my reasons for withholding the information, you just seem unable to understand them. Why do you know that geript is town? And again, why put out information about our roles into the thread if there is no benefit for town? That's why I first wanted to know what his plan is.
I think geript is town. You do too if you are town.
Stop saying 'information'. Its not like scum doesnt know it already. Therefore you would only be telling town. And thats a good thing.
Your reasons for withholding your role name, vt, dont make any sense.
You wanted to make geript say something? is that right?.
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On August 07 2013 21:14 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 21:01 phagga wrote:On August 07 2013 20:54 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 07 2013 20:51 phagga wrote:
- I wanted to know what geripts plan was. No matter what role I have, I wanted that information first. Part of this is that he is more likely to give me information if I withhold the information he wants from me.
- Only you and geript had claimed at that point. If I would think that geripts plan was harmful, I would still have had a chance to stop the other two from claiming. But it looks kinda stupid if I just claim VT and then tell the others they should not claim for whatever reason. What? So you dont actually have a reason for not claiming. Huh. Why wont geript as town tell you the plan? Like I dont see why your actions would affect when he tells us the plan. Ego a bit large? I wrote my reasons for withholding the information, you just seem unable to understand them. Why do you know that geript is town? And again, why put out information about our roles into the thread if there is no benefit for town? That's why I first wanted to know what his plan is. I think geript is town. You do too if you are town. Stop saying 'information'. Its not like scum doesnt know it already. Therefore you would only be telling town. And thats a good thing. Your reasons for withholding your role name, vt, dont make any sense. You wanted to make geript say something? is that right?.
In short, yes.
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And you think thats a good reason?
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Yes, I do.
When geript asked everyone to claim, my reaction was not "oh well, claiming VT is useless information, I might as well claim". I thought "Why does he want everyone to claim? What's the ieea behind it?". And for that thought my own role was absolutely irrelevant. All I wanted is to know why he thinks it's a good idea to claim.
Oats, what do you think of Mocsta so far?
I'm at work and have a meeting in 30 minutes, need to prepare. Will be offline for a few hours.
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On August 07 2013 21:26 phagga wrote:
Yes, I do.
When geript asked everyone to claim, my reaction was not "oh well, claiming VT is useless information, I might as well claim". I thought "Why does he want everyone to claim? What's the ieea behind it?". And for that thought my own role was absolutely irrelevant. All I wanted is to know why he thinks it's a good idea to claim.
Oats, what do you think of Mocsta so far?
I'm at work and have a meeting in 30 minutes, need to prepare. Will be offline for a few hours.
I dunno about Mocsta. firmly null.
Why do you think he wanted everyone to claim? What benefit does mass claiming have for scum?
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1. phagga is rubbing me the wrong way majorly. I dont like his response to me calling him a jester, and I don't like his reasonings for withholding "information" regarding claiming.
2. I think oats is dumb for giving geript so much credit for coming up with a plan.
a. he claimed vt instantly...which usually happens in any game
b. the plan was shite and to me still doesn't make sense even with phagga attempt to expand.
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What do town want
1. Avoid lynching jester
2. Lynch scum, if too hard then lynch lynchproof
What do mafia want
1. Avoid lynching jester
2. Lynch lynchproof
3. Lynch townie
Why lynchproof first? Because it increases odds of non-jester lynch on day2.
What do jester want?
1. Ask phagga
I guess jester is like SK with balancing act. Want to keep low profile to avoid being shot, but still need to be scummy enough to be lynched. I wouldn't be surprised if jester claimed lynchproof on day2 as a last resort either.
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The problem with the plan...
Whilst its obvious to anyone claiming vt is normal play.... geript thinks it is wise to devise a plan hinging upon identifying lynchproofs...hhmmmmmmmmmm. and who wants to hit the lynchproof on day1....
Mafia does.
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There is no plan that works with mass claiming Mocsta. Otherwise, his posts are really natural.
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On August 07 2013 22:59 Mocsta wrote:
1. phagga is rubbing me the wrong way majorly. I dont like his response to me calling him a jester, and I don't like his reasonings for withholding "information" regarding claiming.
- What do you not like about my reasoning? Please elaborate.
- I hope you realise that my reaction to you calling me jester was mainly a product of me misinterpreting your statement.
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On August 07 2013 21:34 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 21:26 phagga wrote:
Yes, I do.
When geript asked everyone to claim, my reaction was not "oh well, claiming VT is useless information, I might as well claim". I thought "Why does he want everyone to claim? What's the ieea behind it?". And for that thought my own role was absolutely irrelevant. All I wanted is to know why he thinks it's a good idea to claim.
Oats, what do you think of Mocsta so far?
I'm at work and have a meeting in 30 minutes, need to prepare. Will be offline for a few hours. I dunno about Mocsta. firmly null. Why do you think he wanted everyone to claim? What benefit does mass claiming have for scum?
Again, when I asked for his plan I did not think that far. I really just tried to figure out what he wants to achieve with massclaiming. I just did not like the thought of needlessly putting out information if it does not benefit town.
The benefits for scum? Mocsta mentioned it, there is the possibility that it makes it easier for them to pick a good NK. However, I did not think of that at the time. When I claimed, I could not think of a downside.
Going on the train. My work day did not work out as planned, there is a high probability that I will not be online for the next 12 hours.
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Come on Hapa, show up man.
Wait so you objected to Geript's plan WITHOUT THINKING OF A DOWNSIDE TO IT ????? WHAT>>> ?? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
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On August 08 2013 02:37 Oatsmaster wrote:Come on Hapa, show up man. Wait so you objected to Geript's plan WITHOUT THINKING OF A DOWNSIDE TO IT ????? WHAT>>> ?? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
The reason I objected had to do with the fact hat I tried to figure out geripts intentions and that I think town should be kept on a need to know basis.
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On August 08 2013 02:55 phagga wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 02:37 Oatsmaster wrote:Come on Hapa, show up man. Wait so you objected to Geript's plan WITHOUT THINKING OF A DOWNSIDE TO IT ????? WHAT>>> ?? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? The reason I objected had to do with the fact hat I tried to figure out geripts intentions and that I think town should be kept on a need to know basis.
need to know? Like need to know you are a VT? We really need to know that.
You definetely arent town. Scum or Jester.
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On August 08 2013 03:06 phagga wrote:
Oats, learn to read.
fuck you.
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My instinct says that the correct lynch is either mocsta or oats. I'll elaborate when you get home. Leaning mocsta fwiw
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Here's the way I see it. The unlynchable claims and isn't counterclaimed that means that we're lynching in a pool of 4; it narrows the scope of who we need to look at. Assuming a townlynch D1 (scum/jester lynches are moot), if scum chooses to hit the unlynchable, then it's a 50/50 shot of winning for every team essentially.
If the unlynchable is counter claimed once, then things get dicey as it could be either scum or jester. I had a plan for this but it's moot now.
If the unlynchable was counterclaimed twice, then we have no worse than a 50/50 shot of winning.
So the plan on forcing the claim isn't worthless like Hapa said. It actually bothers me that he thought it was. I want him to respond on why he thinks the correct claim for every role would be VT regardless of their actual role.
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On phagga. He looks like he's absolutely trying to get lynched. He just keeps on making these obvious non-towny sentiments in the thread.
On August 08 2013 02:55 phagga wrote:
The reason I objected had to do with the fact hat I tried to figure out geripts intentions and that I think town should be kept on a need to know basis.
This is a really big key for me:
On August 07 2013 16:31 phagga wrote:
Ok, I have my own thoughts on this for later, but I guess it's worth a try.
I'm VT.
Which obviously means that at least one of you two is lying.
You notice that he has no interest in following through on this. He "knows" that one of Oats/me are liars. But his continuation isn't to try and pressure either Oats, myself or Hapa (when he claims). He wants to focus on talking about the plan.
Summary: It looks like he's trying to be lynched aka Jester. At worst, scum trying to be the jester.
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For Mocsta, his automatic initial read of phagga on Jester feels wrong to me. I think he's right that phagga is the jester, but I think he's got there too quick and too obviously.
On August 07 2013 18:24 Mocsta wrote:
so I was actually calling u jester lol....
ima horny and green
so... everyone has claimed, pls post ya logic
This post feels wrong to me too. All the pms were strict role, nothing else. It doesn't feel Mocsta-ish to claim horny and green (greenhorn aka vt) instead of just giving his role. He's also a smart cat. I don't get why he doesn't see the automatic logic behind claiming. His plan that both town and scum want to lynch the lynchproof is ridiculous to me. You can preclude the option of lynching the lynchproof if you only get 1 lynchproof claim. If you get 2 it gets tricky, but there are options to figure out which to lynch and whether to avoid both and instead fire into the VTs. If you get 3 lynchproof claims, then you get to avoid the situation almost entirely.
There's a distinct lack of Mocsta-logic so far as well. I can't put my figure on it, but he's prodding aiming to fire into Oats/Hapa/Me, but he's not getting to the point on anything. Everything he writes feels like he's trying to keep his options open on where to move/pressure instead of trying to actually pressure anyone or anything to divine their alignment.
It's also very interesting to me that his focus seems fully on the jester and the right play around the jester. Sure that's a pivotal point to have town avoid the jester, but it's far more important for scum to avoid jester lynches than it is for town. Town just needs to hit scum. Scum needs to avoid Jester and find room to hide.
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On August 08 2013 05:34 geript wrote:
Here's the way I see it. The unlynchable claims and isn't counterclaimed that means that we're lynching in a pool of 4; it narrows the scope of who we need to look at. Assuming a townlynch D1 (scum/jester lynches are moot), if scum chooses to hit the unlynchable, then it's a 50/50 shot of winning for every team essentially.
If the unlynchable is counter claimed once, then things get dicey as it could be either scum or jester. I had a plan for this but it's moot now.
If the unlynchable was counterclaimed twice, then we have no worse than a 50/50 shot of winning.
So the plan on forcing the claim isn't worthless like Hapa said. It actually bothers me that he thought it was. I want him to respond on why he thinks the correct claim for every role would be VT regardless of their actual role.
The unlynchable townie should not claim... because he can't be lynched! The only way he can die is if he gets shot, and claiming puts a direct target on his back. You want him/her to claim to make things easier, but we would actually benefit more from having discussion and no-lynching the player rather than having him/her claim and getting insta-shot Night 1.
On August 08 2013 05:41 geript wrote:On phagga. He looks like he's absolutely trying to get lynched. He just keeps on making these obvious non-towny sentiments in the thread. Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 02:55 phagga wrote:
The reason I objected had to do with the fact hat I tried to figure out geripts intentions and that I think town should be kept on a need to know basis. This is a really big key for me: Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 16:31 phagga wrote:
Ok, I have my own thoughts on this for later, but I guess it's worth a try.
I'm VT.
Which obviously means that at least one of you two is lying.
You notice that he has no interest in following through on this. He "knows" that one of Oats/me are liars. But his continuation isn't to try and pressure either Oats, myself or Hapa (when he claims). He wants to focus on talking about the plan. Summary: It looks like he's trying to be lynched aka Jester. At worst, scum trying to be the jester.
Nothing about either of these posts strike me as off or even "jester like." Him disagreeing with your plan is completely reasonable (since I can't even think of a good reason for it), and him not pursuing you or oats within a couple of pages of the game.
Anyway I think Mocsta is scum. All his posts are completely contentless so far. For example, take this post:
On August 07 2013 22:59 Mocsta wrote:
1. phagga is rubbing me the wrong way majorly. I dont like his response to me calling him a jester, and I don't like his reasonings for withholding "information" regarding claiming.
2. I think oats is dumb for giving geript so much credit for coming up with a plan.
a. he claimed vt instantly...which usually happens in any game
b. the plan was shite and to me still doesn't make sense even with phagga attempt to expand.
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What do town want
1. Avoid lynching jester
2. Lynch scum, if too hard then lynch lynchproof
What do mafia want
1. Avoid lynching jester
2. Lynch lynchproof
3. Lynch townie
Why lynchproof first? Because it increases odds of non-jester lynch on day2.
What do jester want?
1. Ask phagga
I guess jester is like SK with balancing act. Want to keep low profile to avoid being shot, but still need to be scummy enough to be lynched. I wouldn't be surprised if jester claimed lynchproof on day2 as a last resort either.
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The problem with the plan...
Whilst its obvious to anyone claiming vt is normal play.... geript thinks it is wise to devise a plan hinging upon identifying lynchproofs...hhmmmmmmmmmm. and who wants to hit the lynchproof on day1....
Mafia does.
He calls Oats "dumb" (which is both unnecessarily inflammatory AND trusting - why is Oat's "dumb" instead of "scum").
And he seems to be calling phagga simultaneously the jester and a scum-suspect without really making it clear why he thinks either. Phagga's reaction to Mocsta calling him Jester seems absurdly irrelevant, especially when Mocsta doesn't clarify anything about it.
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only post #2 hapa? What's up in your world?
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On August 08 2013 06:06 geript wrote:
only post #2 hapa? What's up in your world?
Woke up at 4:30pm. Yeah I don't know why.
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I'm used to seeing more insight from you but the stuff you have on Moc isn't really that damning to me. I'm surprised you don't have better analysis on him really.
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On August 08 2013 06:14 geript wrote:
I'm used to seeing more insight from you but the stuff you have on Moc isn't really that damning to me. I'm surprised you don't have better analysis on him really.
There's not much analysis, because there's really not much substance there. The guy is posting inconsequential things and sounds like he's posting for the sake of it rather than posting genuinely.
Obviously things early in the game won't be damning, but of all the players in the game that have posted so far, Mocsta looks by far the worst. Oats is being very confrontational/spazzy, which is pretty semblant of his townplay. Phagga sounds extremely paranoid (townie) in reaction to Mocsta's "jester" thing. You have your try-hard pants on.
That leaves Mocsta so far, and his filter ain't pretty. He has very little susbstance in his posting, and his first "analysis" post lacks a lot of the "methodical" thought-process I associate him with.
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Yeah, watching TI3 and waiting for people to post. Though on second thought, timezones are going to be a real bitch this game.
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TI3? Would you agree that you're usually more active? What's changed? Like I remember you being reasonably active in hydra nuke edition.
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On August 08 2013 08:05 geript wrote:
TI3? Would you agree that you're usually more active? What's changed? Like I remember you being reasonably active in hydra nuke edition.
The International 3 (see TL streaming sidebar)
As far as activity goes, it is usually based around gameflow. I'm actually not always very active early in the game, and I base my activity around the town's need for a leader and/or generating discussion.
Right now, I have a scum-read and I'm waiting for that player to respond. The only other person that's awake right now is you, and you seem absurdly townie. I would love to have a town circle-jerk with you right now, but we seem to agree on reads.
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You see I'm not 100% sold on Mocsta and I too want to see what all he has to say. I've had scum reads on him before and it's flipped in a heartbeat. Not really enough to get real good use of meta already. My problem is that I don't have a real read on you and I can only really judge you by your reads. So do you think phagga is jester or how do you read him? Also what do you think of Oats?
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On August 08 2013 08:19 geript wrote:
You see I'm not 100% sold on Mocsta and I too want to see what all he has to say. I've had scum reads on him before and it's flipped in a heartbeat. Not really enough to get real good use of meta already. My problem is that I don't have a real read on you and I can only really judge you by your reads. So do you think phagga is jester or how do you read him? Also what do you think of Oats?
I'm not sold on the phagga = jester thing. Nothing about his game has been scummy so far, and I think his reaction to Mocsta calling him jester was townie. His reaction had a paranoia about it, if you read the string of posts from here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=424302¤tpage=4#66
It seems genuine and you can see his mind unravel around Mocsta's "claim."
Oats...
On August 08 2013 03:08 Oatsmaster wrote:fuck you.
...is probably town.
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He's done that as scum though too iirc. It was in the unbalanced nuke game. I don't consider that necessarily a town tell for him at all. And, while I've only skimmed his filter, I don't have an actual read on him. Why does that one post make him probably town when he does that as both alignments?
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On August 08 2013 08:31 geript wrote:
He's done that as scum though too iirc. It was in the unbalanced nuke game. I don't consider that necessarily a town tell for him at all. And, while I've only skimmed his filter, I don't have an actual read on him. Why does that one post make him probably town when he does that as both alignments?
Well firstly no read is 100% at this point in the game. That being said, I associate uncompromising behavior with Oats' town-side. I remember that Nuke game he played (as a Hydra) pretty well, and he was pretty friendly by his standards.
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I'm not talking about the Hydra Nuke game, I'm talking about the last nuke game. Let me find the reference.
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Nah I'm misremembering the event.
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On August 08 2013 08:42 geript wrote:
Nah I'm misremembering the event.
Oh you mean the Nuclear Winter game? I haven't read it, and I'm assuming he rolled scum?
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yah. But he just said fuck alot.
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Alright I'll take a look. Again though, early game town-reads are not 100%. However I'm suspicious enough of Mocsta at this point to not have much of my focus on Oats.
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Firstly. I can understand why some have chosen to pressure me. Its a 5 player game and I have one of the largest filters. Hence; the most content to go through at this early stage. Perhaps instead of brash - incorrect - analysis, it would be more pertinent to address questions I can actually respond to.
Secondly. Personally, I still take issue with the lynchproof plan. I get what the plan does; I get that we have moved away from the plan; however I just dont understand why a player would concoct a plan that leaves town with a 50/50 chance to win. This is far from a pro-town plan to consider, let alone continue to endorse.
Lastly. I stand by my logic; hence, I think you guys are treating this way too much like a normal, and not giving enough credit for what each of the anti-town roles want to achieve. The whole point of this game is that if you mis-read somone, it could be GG due to Jester. Its only by understanding how they need to proceed, that we can catch them.
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Mocsta Who are you interested in lynching and why?
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@ Mocsta
Well there are several ideas being bounced around right now. For example, there's been some "Phagga is Jester" talk that I'd like to hear your thoughts on. As well as any other scum-reads you might have.
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@hapa... how are you feeling right now?
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Bit tired, but otherwise OK. Yourself?
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Where are you coming from? I'm not quite seeing quite where your mind is coming from or going to. Checked some old games and you're looking really different. What's your explanation for the difference?
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On August 08 2013 06:41 Hapahauli wrote:
Obviously things early in the game won't be damning, but of all the players in the game that have posted so far, Mocsta looks by far the worst. Oats is being very confrontational/spazzy, which is pretty semblant of his townplay. Phagga sounds extremely paranoid (townie) in reaction to Mocsta's "jester" thing. You have your try-hard pants on.
This statment. Im town, phagga's town, geript's town.
Oh wait. Hapa cant be town then.
Yeah so phagga and hapa are the anti town factions. Which one is scum and which one is jester though.
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On August 08 2013 11:00 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Mocsta
Well there are several ideas being bounced around right now.for example, there's been some "Phagga is Jester" talk that I'd like to hear your thoughts on. As well as any other sCum-reads you might have. sure.
Phagga has a consistent vibe in his posts which is a plus.
however I'm still struggling to get why he was hesitant to claim when he supported the plan . This seems more to do with paranoia considering He also admits to looking carefully for the lynchproof which falls into my mafia mindset criteria.
Im not sure whether a jester would be playing this reckless either. So for now I'm willing to consider phagga as non jester....Maybe mafia though.
I do feel phagga has not sufficiently addressed why he was hesitant to claim either whether talking to myself or oats.
Phagga.
The crux of my problem is.
U agree with the lynchproof plan yet did not want to contribute to it?? I just don't understand how u could withhold that information if the key to the plans success in it eyes was to have information??
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On August 08 2013 10:53 geript wrote:
Mocsta Who are you interested Lynching and why?
I think it is too haste to push a lynch with the current info.
So far. My towniest read is oats though.
So just need to figure out between hapa.geript. phagga which is jester which is mafia.
If I was to have a punt now. I would pen hapa as jester.. mainly because of his reluctance to consider phagga as jester and he just feels off from the limited posts so far.
Still want to pursue phagga first though.
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Why do you have such a hard time reading me Moc? :sadface:
What do you make of Hapa not really commenting on the plan other than "stupid"
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On August 08 2013 12:47 geript wrote:
Why do you have such a hard time reading me Moc? :sadface:
What do you make of Hapa not really commenting on the plan other than "stupid"
Is it wrong I considered u townish by process of elimination?
As for hapa. I think the his position on the plan is valid but I don't like his approach to conveying that.
Still.. hapa is a solid town player so it's easy for him to undo himself. That's why I want to focus on phagga first. He has just too many irregularities for me regarding the plan and seeking the lynchproof.
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On August 08 2013 12:02 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 06:41 Hapahauli wrote:
Obviously things early in the game won't be damning, but of all the players in the game that have posted so far, Mocsta looks by far the worst. Oats is being very confrontational/spazzy, which is pretty semblant of his townplay. Phagga sounds extremely paranoid (townie) in reaction to Mocsta's "jester" thing. You have your try-hard pants on. This statment. Im town, phagga's town, geript's town. Oh wait. Hapa cant be town then. Yeah so phagga and hapa are the anti town factions. Which one is scum and which one is jester though.
I don't really separate Jester and townies for now. How people play Jester is going to vary greatly.
On August 08 2013 12:47 geript wrote:
Why do you have such a hard time reading me Moc? :sadface:
What do you make of Hapa not really commenting on the plan other than "stupid"
That's a huge misrepresentation of what I've been posting considering your "plan."
Like I said, every single role wants to claim VT. You seem to think that we should have the unlynchable claim, but that just makes them a target on N1. They can always claim if they're about to get lynched.
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I don't see why an unlynchable claim makes him the N1 kill. Let's say we mislynch today and hit town. If we have an unlynchable claim it, look at the situation: 1 unlynchable, 1 vt, 1 jester. Those are his available shots; what's the best option for scum? If he hits unlynchable he still has to get a vt lynch or get the day to end on no lynch. So shooting the unlynchable gives him a 50% win ratio then. Whereas, if he hits the jester at night he just has to convince the unlynchable to vote with him instead of the other guy. Seems far more favored to aim for jester.
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On August 08 2013 12:59 Hapahauli wrote:
That's a huge misrepresentation of what I've been posting considering your "plan."
Like I said, every single role wants to claim VT. You seem to think that we should have the unlynchable claim, but that just makes them a target on N1. They can always claim if they're about to get lynched.
I don't see the difference. If you dismiss the plan without explaining why you think it's bad then that's the same to me.
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wait so hapa, you would play jester as townie as possible?
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Blazinghand
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Rules clarification re: endgaming the jester
A jester endgamed by the town loses.
A jester endgamed by scum gets a "partial victory"
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On August 08 2013 14:40 Blazinghand wrote:
Rules clarification re: endgaming the jester
A jester endgamed by town loses.
A jester endgamed by scum gets a "partial victory"
I suspect scum asked this question as i can't imagine town thinking about this.. I know I certainly didnt
Hmmm I imagine this changes the game somewhat as now scum have the option to bandy up day2 and are probably playing the lurking game..
Where are u phagga....
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I'm back, reading up. This first:
On August 08 2013 14:40 Blazinghand wrote:
Rules clarification re: endgaming the jester
A jester endgamed by the town loses.
A jester endgamed by scum gets a "partial victory"
This basically means we have to lynch scum D1. If we don't, we have to hope that scum hits the jester. If the jester survives the night, town is in an almost unwinnable position as it is not possible to get a majority on scum (1-1-1 or 2-1-1 if we lynch the unlynchable), since the jester will not vote scum with us (if he is able to properly identify the scum).
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On August 08 2013 12:37 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 11:00 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Mocsta
Well there are several ideas being bounced around right now.for example, there's been some "Phagga is Jester" talk that I'd like to hear your thoughts on. As well as any other sCum-reads you might have. sure. Phagga has a consistent vibe in his posts which is a plus. however I'm still struggling to get why he was hesitant to claim when he supported the plan . This seems more to do with paranoia considering He also admits to looking carefully for the lynchproof which falls into my mafia mindset criteria. Im not sure whether a jester would be playing this reckless either. So for now I'm willing to consider phagga as non jester....Maybe mafia though. I do feel phagga has not sufficiently addressed why he was hesitant to claim either whether talking to myself or oats. Phagga. The crux of my problem is. U agree with the lynchproof plan yet did not want to contribute to it?? I just don't understand how u could withhold that information if the key to the plans success in it eyes was to have information??
Seriously Mocsta, it's not hard to read my posts in chronological order. I'm sick of having to explain this over and over again, I've written enough about it to Oats. Read my filter.
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Phagga.
I thought I explained my inability to comprehend your actions in some detail.. however u still choose not to change your approach...
Lets try something new.
Now that all 5 ppl have posted somewhat. Who do u think fits the mould of jester and goon.
Do u think lynchproof is going to play the same way as a vt?.
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On August 08 2013 13:16 Oatsmaster wrote:
wait so hapa, you would play jester as townie as possible?
No, but a Jester won't necessarily reveal his/her hand this soon. You have to balance being scummy with being laughably obvious.
On August 08 2013 13:11 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 12:59 Hapahauli wrote:
That's a huge misrepresentation of what I've been posting considering your "plan."
Like I said, every single role wants to claim VT. You seem to think that we should have the unlynchable claim, but that just makes them a target on N1. They can always claim if they're about to get lynched. I don't see the difference. If you dismiss the plan without explaining why you think it's bad then that's the same to me.
Just because you don't understand my explanation doesn't mean I didn't explain it. As said twice before, there's simply no merit in having the unlynchable townie claim now. Why out a blue when we don't need to? He can claim at [i]any time. Best case scenario for town is to have him live to tomorrow and THEN claim.[/b]
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On August 08 2013 16:00 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 13:16 Oatsmaster wrote:
wait so hapa, you would play jester as townie as possible? No, but a Jester won't necessarily reveal his/her hand this soon. You have to balance being scummy with being laughably obvious. Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 13:11 geript wrote:On August 08 2013 12:59 Hapahauli wrote:
That's a huge misrepresentation of what I've been posting considering your "plan."
Like I said, every single role wants to claim VT. You seem to think that we should have the unlynchable claim, but that just makes them a target on N1. They can always claim if they're about to get lynched. I don't see the difference. If you dismiss the plan without explaining why you think it's bad then that's the same to me. Just because you don't understand my explanation doesn't mean I didn't explain it. As said twice before, there's simply no merit in having the unlynchable townie claim now. Why out a blue when we don't need to? He can claim at [i]any time. Best case scenario for town is to have him live to tomorrow and THEN claim. [/b]
So we have determined that Jester wont play like town.
Who are you possible jesters Hapa?
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On August 08 2013 15:39 Mocsta wrote:
Phagga.
I thought I explained my inability to comprehend your actions in some detail.. however u still choose not to change your approach...
Lets try something new.
Now that all 5 ppl have posted somewhat. Who do u think fits the mould of jester and goon.
Do u think lynchproof is going to play the same way as a vt?.
The lynchproof should play the same as VT, as if he's town he should be able to show that and therefore be in no danger of getting lynched.
I can't say who's jester and who's goon, I think however that you are one of the anti-town forces. You are not trying to figure the game out, instead you ask me over and over again about my actions around the plan, and you ask things I've clearly answered already.
U agree with the lynchproof plan yet did not want to contribute to it?? I just don't understand how u could withhold that information if the key to the plans success in it eyes was to have information??
I mean, this question is useless. I already explained I withheld my claim to get more info from geript about his plan, and after that deciced that the plan has it's merits and claimed. I've clearly written this, read my filter.
On August 08 2013 12:45 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 10:53 geript wrote:
Mocsta Who are you interested Lynching and why? I think it is too haste to push a lynch with the current info. So far. My towniest read is oats though. So just need to figure out between hapa.geript. phagga which is jester which is mafia. If I was to have a punt now. I would pen hapa as jester.. mainly because of his reluctance to consider phagga as jester and he just feels off from the limited posts so far. Still want to pursue phagga first though.
I don't understand why you can't follow up on both of us. Why this focus on me when you say yourself that something might be up with Hapa? we're not in a game with dozends of pages, it should be easy to follow two people at the same time.
So yeah, I think you are either jester or scum.
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phagga, hapa more likely jester or scum?
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So phagga. I can't vote for me. U gonna show some balls and start this?
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On August 08 2013 16:04 Oatsmaster wrote:
phagga, hapa more likely jester or scum?
If I have to choose between the two, I'd say jester, because he reads me correctly. Scum would use the opportunity to further push me as lynch.
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On August 08 2013 16:12 Mocsta wrote:
So phagga. I can't vote for me. U gonna show some balls and start this?
Why don't you push hapa if you think something is wrong with him?
I vote when I feel sure I've found scum.
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Hapa: What do you think of Mocsta? What do you make of his reaction to my accusation?
Oats: you said earlier that Hapa and me are the anti-town forces. Why do you think Mocsta is town?
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On August 08 2013 16:20 phagga wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 16:12 Mocsta wrote:
So phagga. I can't vote for me. U gonna show some balls and start this? Why don't you push hapa if you think something is wrong with him? I vote when I feel sure I've found scum.
Frankly I feel I have gone out of my way to express why I dont understand u.. and u keep backpedaling to your discourse with oats..that's shoddy to me and hence That's why I'm not interested in hapa currently.
In fairness I'm restricted to phone posting at work . So I will make a deal with u. When I get home. I will summarise my grievance for u one last time via computer so I can quote etc
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On August 08 2013 16:25 phagga wrote:
Hapa: What do you think of Mocsta? What do you make of his reaction to my accusation?
Oats: you said earlier that Hapa and me are the anti-town forces. Why do you think Mocsta is town?
cause mocsta feels like town.
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On August 08 2013 16:25 phagga wrote:
Hapa: What do you think of Mocsta? What do you make of his reaction to my accusation?
Oats: you said earlier that Hapa and me are the anti-town forces. Why do you think Mocsta is town?
U have a terrible penchant to misread.
He thinks I'm antitown and if u read the quote he supplied that would be apparrent.
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On August 08 2013 16:33 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 16:25 phagga wrote:
Hapa: What do you think of Mocsta? What do you make of his reaction to my accusation?
Oats: you said earlier that Hapa and me are the anti-town forces. Why do you think Mocsta is town? U have a terrible penchant to misread. He thinks I'm antitown and if u read the quote he supplied that would be apparrent.
That's the latest summary of reads I found of Oats:
On August 08 2013 12:02 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 06:41 Hapahauli wrote:
Obviously things early in the game won't be damning, but of all the players in the game that have posted so far, Mocsta looks by far the worst. Oats is being very confrontational/spazzy, which is pretty semblant of his townplay. Phagga sounds extremely paranoid (townie) in reaction to Mocsta's "jester" thing. You have your try-hard pants on. This statment. Im town, phagga's town, geript's town. Oh wait. Hapa cant be town then. Yeah so phagga and hapa are the anti town factions. Which one is scum and which one is jester though.
So much for missreading.
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I wrote lol afterwards dude.
When he wrote "this statement." I thought he shared hapa sentiment of me.
Regardless. Here's a q for u phagga.
U choose to outline me as scum. But then ask me to also chase hapa.
Why r u being so reactive? If u had concerns with me or any others. Why r u not leading the charge to ascertain alignment?
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On August 08 2013 16:30 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 16:25 phagga wrote:
Hapa: What do you think of Mocsta? What do you make of his reaction to my accusation?
Oats: you said earlier that Hapa and me are the anti-town forces. Why do you think Mocsta is town? cause mocsta feels like town.
On August 08 2013 16:30 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 16:25 phagga wrote:
Hapa: What do you think of Mocsta? What do you make of his reaction to my accusation?
Oats: you said earlier that Hapa and me are the anti-town forces. Why do you think Mocsta is town? cause mocsta feels like town.
What makes you feel his town? Can you elaborate a bit? Can you point to something?
I wrote some posts up why I think Mocsta is not town because he's not trying to figure things out, what do you say about that?
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Phagga
U do realise everything u have submitted in the thread is a +1 right?
Ur idea of a good plan....+1 to geript
Ur best scum lead.... +1 to hapa
Ur scum justification...,+1 to hapa
So if u want to use hapa logic so flippantly.. Is he a town read for u or not....
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On August 08 2013 16:47 Mocsta wrote:
I wrote lol afterwards dude.
When he wrote "this statement." I thought he shared hapa sentiment of me.
Regardless. Here's a q for u phagga.
U choose to outline me as scum. But then ask me to also chase hapa.
Why r u being so reactive? If u had concerns with me or any others. Why r u not leading the charge to ascertain alignment?
I choose to outline you as anti-town, not scum. Funny how you seemed to have missed that.
I'm reactive because I'm at work currently, which means I have only short time frames to quickly answer/ask. I am trying to follow up on the people on which I want to flesh out my reads some more, which are mainly Hapa and Oats.
On August 08 2013 17:29 Mocsta wrote:
Phagga
U do realise everything u have submitted in the thread is a +1 right?
Ur idea of a good plan....+1 to geript
Ur best scum lead.... +1 to hapa
Ur scum justification...,+1 to hapa
So if u want to use hapa logic so flippantly.. Is he a town read for u or not....
No, he is not, I don't know where to put him currently. That's why asked Hapa about you, I want to hear more from him. I hope to get some more quality time with this thread later to get some more questions out for him, as we seem to miss each other entirely due to timezones.
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firstly.. scum and anti town is the same thing.. but that is semantics and the last in shall speak on the matter
secondly.. I am as time poor as u, am o ly on phone access yet that makes me scum and u a reactive "townie"... lol.. this is lol even before factoring your +1 contributions
lastly.. how can u support a firm anti town/null reads "case" without adding anything additional of merit...
I'm going to put it out there... did u change your position on hapa based on the jester rule clarification??
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On August 08 2013 16:00 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 13:16 Oatsmaster wrote:
wait so hapa, you would play jester as townie as possible? No, but a Jester won't necessarily reveal his/her hand this soon. You have to balance being scummy with being laughably obvious. Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 13:11 geript wrote:On August 08 2013 12:59 Hapahauli wrote:
That's a huge misrepresentation of what I've been posting considering your "plan."
Like I said, every single role wants to claim VT. You seem to think that we should have the unlynchable claim, but that just makes them a target on N1. They can always claim if they're about to get lynched. I don't see the difference. If you dismiss the plan without explaining why you think it's bad then that's the same to me. Just because you don't understand my explanation doesn't mean I didn't explain it. As said twice before, there's simply no merit in having the unlynchable townie claim now. Why out a blue when we don't need to? He can claim at [i]any time. Best case scenario for town is to have him live to tomorrow and THEN claim. [/b]
But if the unlynchable claims D2, both Jester and scum can counterclaim. Where is the advantage of claiming tomorrow against claiming today?
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On August 08 2013 18:03 Mocsta wrote:
firstly.. scum and anti town is the same thing.. but that is semantics and the last in shall speak on the matter
secondly.. I am as time poor as u, am o ly on phone access yet that makes me scum and u a reactive "townie"... lol.. this is lol even before factoring your +1 contributions
lastly.. how can u support a firm anti town/null reads "case" without adding anything additional of merit...
I'm going to put it out there... did u change your position on hapa based on the jester rule clarification??
When I say anti-town I mean either scum or jester, since are both anti-town roles IMO. I also thought there was at least one other person using it the same way. I hope that cleares it up.
Perhaps because I came to that conclusion by myself and Hapas read on you is not relevant for this?
Where did I change my position on Hapa? And no, the jester rule clarification only made it clear for me that it is of upmost importance to lynch scum on D1, since if we misslynch or nolynch, we have to rely on either the jester or scum on D2.
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On August 08 2013 18:25 phagga wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 16:00 Hapahauli wrote:On August 08 2013 13:16 Oatsmaster wrote:
wait so hapa, you would play jester as townie as possible? No, but a Jester won't necessarily reveal his/her hand this soon. You have to balance being scummy with being laughably obvious. On August 08 2013 13:11 geript wrote:On August 08 2013 12:59 Hapahauli wrote:
That's a huge misrepresentation of what I've been posting considering your "plan."
Like I said, every single role wants to claim VT. You seem to think that we should have the unlynchable claim, but that just makes them a target on N1. They can always claim if they're about to get lynched. I don't see the difference. If you dismiss the plan without explaining why you think it's bad then that's the same to me. Just because you don't understand my explanation doesn't mean I didn't explain it. As said twice before, there's simply no merit in having the unlynchable townie claim now. Why out a blue when we don't need to? He can claim at [i]any time. Best case scenario for town is to have him live to tomorrow and THEN claim. But if the unlynchable claims D2, both Jester and scum can counterclaim. Where is the advantage of claiming tomorrow against claiming today? [/b]
Scrap that, I figured the answer out myself. With the rule clarification, Scum prefers a situation of 1-1-1 on D2 over a 2-1. If the unlynchable claims D1, he will get shot N1 because scum wants to make sure he hits town.
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On August 08 2013 18:36 phagga wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 18:25 phagga wrote:On August 08 2013 16:00 Hapahauli wrote:On August 08 2013 13:16 Oatsmaster wrote:
wait so hapa, you would play jester as townie as possible? No, but a Jester won't necessarily reveal his/her hand this soon. You have to balance being scummy with being laughably obvious. On August 08 2013 13:11 geript wrote:On August 08 2013 12:59 Hapahauli wrote:
That's a huge misrepresentation of what I've been posting considering your "plan."
Like I said, every single role wants to claim VT. You seem to think that we should have the unlynchable claim, but that just makes them a target on N1. They can always claim if they're about to get lynched. I don't see the difference. If you dismiss the plan without explaining why you think it's bad then that's the same to me. Just because you don't understand my explanation doesn't mean I didn't explain it. As said twice before, there's simply no merit in having the unlynchable townie claim now. Why out a blue when we don't need to? He can claim at [i]any time. Best case scenario for town is to have him live to tomorrow and THEN claim. But if the unlynchable claims D2, both Jester and scum can counterclaim. Where is the advantage of claiming tomorrow against claiming today? Scrap that, I figured the answer out myself. With the rule clarification, Scum prefers a situation of 1-1-1 on D2 over a 2-1. If the unlynchable claims D1, he will get shot N1 because scum wants to make sure he hits town. [/b]
No wait, that's not necessarily true. If its 1-1-1 scum has to rely on the jester, while the jester might try to get the win for himself. If it's 2-1 it's up completely to the scum, which he might prefer.
Probably still a bad idea to claim unlynchable D1.
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Ok, let me clarifiy this because that series of posts of mine looks confusing.
Depending on the situation at the end of D1 scum might prefer either 1-1-1 or 2-1. Since we don't know what it will be, it's a bad idea for the unlynchable to claim.
Whatever, best is to not let the game go to D2.
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On August 08 2013 23:10 geript wrote:
##vote oatsmaster
I'm sure you will also explain us why?
And since you're here:
On August 08 2013 05:41 geript wrote:On phagga. He looks like he's absolutely trying to get lynched. He just keeps on making these obvious non-towny sentiments in the thread. Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 02:55 phagga wrote:
The reason I objected had to do with the fact hat I tried to figure out geripts intentions and that I think town should be kept on a need to know basis.
Why is this a non-townie sentiment. Please elaborate.
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come on geript.
Ok hapa is scum. I BELIEVE.
##vote Hapa
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Oats, and what are your reasons for voting Hapa?
Also, please answer these questions
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On August 08 2013 17:13 phagga wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 16:30 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 08 2013 16:25 phagga wrote:
Hapa: What do you think of Mocsta? What do you make of his reaction to my accusation?
Oats: you said earlier that Hapa and me are the anti-town forces. Why do you think Mocsta is town? cause mocsta feels like town. Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 16:30 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 08 2013 16:25 phagga wrote:
Hapa: What do you think of Mocsta? What do you make of his reaction to my accusation?
Oats: you said earlier that Hapa and me are the anti-town forces. Why do you think Mocsta is town? cause mocsta feels like town. What makes you feel his town? Can you elaborate a bit? Can you point to something? I wrote some posts up why I think Mocsta is not town because he's not trying to figure things out, what do you say about that?
oh what.
Cause mocsta playing the game man, longest filter I think, trying to find out shit. I disagree with you on that point btw.
I dont think you gave a good reason for not claiming. And you keep repeating the same bad reason. No wonder Mocsta aint happy.
Reasons for Hapa after Geript gives reasons for me.
Although,
Hapa not invested in this game at all, and I dont think he is jester.
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On August 08 2013 23:41 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 17:13 phagga wrote:On August 08 2013 16:30 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 08 2013 16:25 phagga wrote:
Hapa: What do you think of Mocsta? What do you make of his reaction to my accusation?
Oats: you said earlier that Hapa and me are the anti-town forces. Why do you think Mocsta is town? cause mocsta feels like town. On August 08 2013 16:30 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 08 2013 16:25 phagga wrote:
Hapa: What do you think of Mocsta? What do you make of his reaction to my accusation?
Oats: you said earlier that Hapa and me are the anti-town forces. Why do you think Mocsta is town? cause mocsta feels like town. What makes you feel his town? Can you elaborate a bit? Can you point to something? I wrote some posts up why I think Mocsta is not town because he's not trying to figure things out, what do you say about that? oh what. Cause mocsta playing the game man, longest filter I think, trying to find out shit. I disagree with you on that point btw. I dont think you gave a good reason for not claiming. And you keep repeating the same bad reason. No wonder Mocsta aint happy. Reasons for Hapa after Geript gives reasons for me. Although, Hapa not invested in this game at all, and I dont think he is jester.
Mocsta's mainly all over me now, and I welcome that he's actually doing something now compared to yesterday. I'll look forward to his posts once he is off phone.
Of course I repeat the same reason, because it's the ones I had for not claiming, lol. If you don't like the answer, perhaps you guys need to ask another question?
I do agree that Hapa is not very invested, but why do you think that Hapa is not the jester?
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@Mocsta
On August 08 2013 14:58 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 14:40 Blazinghand wrote:
Rules clarification re: endgaming the jester
A jester endgamed by town loses.
A jester endgamed by scum gets a "partial victory" I suspect scum asked this question as i can't imagine town thinking about this.. I know I certainly didnt
Why would you not think about that question as town? Do you think this information is not important for town?
On August 08 2013 16:29 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 16:20 phagga wrote:On August 08 2013 16:12 Mocsta wrote:
So phagga. I can't vote for me. U gonna show some balls and start this? Why don't you push hapa if you think something is wrong with him? I vote when I feel sure I've found scum. Frankly I feel I have gone out of my way to express why I dont understand u.. and u keep backpedaling to your discourse with oats..that's shoddy to me and hence That's why I'm not interested in hapa currently. In fairness I'm restricted to phone posting at work . So I will make a deal with u. When I get home. I will summarise my grievance for u one last time via computer so I can quote etc
I'm still not sure if you are really trying to figure me out, but you are talking to me, so let's try to get rid of this topic once and for all. I went back through your posts. I found the last you posted regarding your grievance is this (emphasis is mine in all following quotes):
On August 08 2013 12:37 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 11:00 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Mocsta
Well there are several ideas being bounced around right now.for example, there's been some "Phagga is Jester" talk that I'd like to hear your thoughts on. As well as any other sCum-reads you might have. sure. Phagga has a consistent vibe in his posts which is a plus. however I'm still struggling to get why he was hesitant to claim when he supported the plan . This seems more to do with paranoia considering He also admits to looking carefully for the lynchproof which falls into my mafia mindset criteria.Im not sure whether a jester would be playing this reckless either. So for now I'm willing to consider phagga as non jester....Maybe mafia though. I do feel phagga has not sufficiently addressed why he was hesitant to claim either whether talking to myself or oats. Phagga. The crux of my problem is. U agree with the lynchproof plan yet did not want to contribute to it?? I just don't understand how u could withhold that information if the key to the plans success in it eyes was to have information??
I thought I already answered these questions with the following post to Oats:
On August 07 2013 21:26 phagga wrote:
Yes, I do.
When geript asked everyone to claim, my reaction was not "oh well, claiming VT is useless information, I might as well claim". I thought "Why does he want everyone to claim? What's the ieea behind it?". And for that thought my own role was absolutely irrelevant. All I wanted is to know why he thinks it's a good idea to claim.
Oats, what do you think of Mocsta so far?
I'm at work and have a meeting in 30 minutes, need to prepare. Will be offline for a few hours.
And earlier to you:
On August 07 2013 20:19 phagga wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 19:38 Mocsta wrote:
(1) Well i find it ironic u held back, yet quoted something akin to Geript plan
(2) Oats, hes typically spammy at start but usually has a purpose. I dunno .. from his limited posts so far I feel like hes trying to achieve nothing. Would like to see more from him.
(3) I dont like the plan; mainly becuase I dont get it.
What do u think of Geript plan? Considering u seem to agere with it?? can yoiu pleaes explain it to me. (1) Perhaps my post was just unclear? What I meant here is that I'm holding my thoughts on geripts plan back. Of course if I then later post them they look like geripts plan, because they are tied to his plan. Well, after he lined it out I thought the plan was ok. I was back then expecting the unlynchable to claim under any circumstance, although I see now why he doesn't (makes more sense to claim D2 if still alive). With that in mind, I expected the claims to give us some lead on who to lynch. At the same time I saw no real downside for town. Hence I thought the plan is worth trying out. Also, as I explained, I hoped that scum and/or jester might make a mistake with claiming, leading to confirmed townies.
I thought and still think that these two quotes answer your questions. If they don't please elaborate on what exactly is unclear.
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Oats totes scum that's y I vote oats
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On August 09 2013 00:01 geript wrote:
Oats totes scum that's y I vote oats
thats my line.
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well hapa was talking about the optimal behavior of a jester and it doesnt feel like he is talking about his own role.
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On August 09 2013 00:01 geript wrote:
Oats totes scum that's y I vote oats
Back Drunker than expected... but hey.. beer/river views/cigars.. cant go wrong
Now, im a bit stuck on how to proceed as theres a few actions occuring simultaneously.
(1) I need to consolidate a post to phagga
(2) retort to phagga query to me
(3) figure out this vote on oats. + oats vote on Hapa
Personally, the vote on Hapa im not against. He seems to be idling by, at least for my expectation of his play.
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Now oats... I thought his cavalier attitude was meta-indicative of town? So could you please expand on what strikes you as defaulting him to scum? I also ASSUME you mean mafia, as surely if you mean jester, you would not be voting him?
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@Phagga.
For your first query:
On August 08 2013 14:40 Blazinghand wrote:
Rules clarification re: endgaming the jester
A jester endgamed by town loses.
A jester endgamed by scum gets a "partial victory" On August 08 2013 14:58 Mocsta wrote:
I suspect scum asked this question as i can't imagine town thinking about this.. I know I certainly didnt On August 08 2013 23:51 phagga wrote:
Why would you not think about that question as town? Do you think this information is not important for town?
Why would you not think about the question as town
Win-Con phagga...
On August 07 2013 15:51 Blazinghand wrote:
Miners' Win Con: Miners win when the Goon is dead. They lose if Night 2 starts, or if the Jester is lynched.
Why would I -let me remind you: town- be contemplating the jester wincon beyond to be lynched?
My focus is to lynch the goon, and avoid the jester.
(As a post-game thing.. I would be seriously shocked if it wasn't the jester that asked for clarification.. which then leads into WIFOM about timezones etc)
Do you think this information is not important for town
I think it just opens up WIFOM, so no.
Regardless of whether jseter wants a selfish victory, or shared... my focus is the same. Lynch the goon.
Do you beg to differ?
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(2)
Regarding grievances etc, This ties into my query post to you. Will start compiling soonish. Need to re-read again first.
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Now I'm the one posting from phone.
Jesters wincon is relevant to town because it influences towns behaviour in 1-1-1 on D2. With the new information it means that town is in an almost unwinnable situation.
And I thought of that question too, but it got answered before I could ask it. So I disagree that a townie would not think of it
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##Vote: Phagga
Phagga, my queries//case are below. Spoilered as quite large.
+ Show Spoiler +@PhaggaRegarding the PLAN: Your position as endorsed by yourself is in the spoiler below. + Show Spoiler +On August 07 2013 21:26 phagga wrote:
When geript asked everyone to claim, my reaction was not "oh well, claiming VT is useless information, I might as well claim". I thought "Why does he want everyone to claim? What's the ieea behind it?". And for that thought my own role was absolutely irrelevant. All I wanted is to know why he thinks it's a good idea to claim. And earlier to you: On August 07 2013 20:19 phagga wrote:
Well, after he lined it out I thought the plan was ok. I was back then expecting the unlynchable to claim under any circumstance, although I see now why he doesn't (makes more sense to claim D2 if still alive). With that in mind, I expected the claims to give us some lead on who to lynch. At the same time I saw no real downside for town. Hence I thought the plan is worth trying out. Also, as I explained, I hoped that scum and/or jester might make a mistake with claiming, leading to confirmed townies.
Summarised as: - Initial position on Geript plan: "skeptical" // "seeking further info"
- After plan explained: "believer"
Now whilst I can agree that skeptical is a "townie"-ish trait to exhibit and you do indeed seek more information from Geript; its the post-plan behaviour that I find odd. ===================== Exhibit A - 1On August 07 2013 16:12 geript wrote:+ Show Spoiler [The Plan] +Here let me spell it out for you because apparently you missed the obvious logic of it:
We get 3 unlynchable claims = no worse than 33% win chance
We get 1 unlynchabl claim = no worse than 25% win chance, but really since every VT will be able to recognize that only 1 unlynchable claim and therefore limit his scum hunting to 1 of 3 people which gives us good odds to find scum instead of jester
We get 2 unlynchable claims = it gets tricky I have a plan for this specifically but it doesn't work if I explain it.
As you can see, every situation of claiming is pro town. Not one single bad option. On August 07 2013 16:31 phagga wrote:
Ok, I have my own thoughts on this for later, but I guess it's worth a try.
I'm VT.
Which obviously means that at least one of you two is lying.
When I (and Oats) press you for these further thoughts later. What we get is the following: On August 07 2013 18:44 phagga wrote:
basically there were some constellations that would confirm towns (3 claimed unlynchables / 2 claimed jesters / 1 claimed unlynchable), which is why I liked the idea of claiming, but I obviously could not say that back then. My issue is that this "thought" mimics the Geript plan to a "tee"; thus providing zero "own thoughts for later" as you had promised. My explanation is that you were stalling - by lying/exaggerating - your claim. This is typically not a townie indicator. -------------------- Exhibit A-2After further pressure from myself regarding the plan we receive: On August 07 2013 20:19 phagga wrote:
Of course if I then later post them they look like geripts plan, because they are tied to his plan.
Well, after he lined it out I thought the plan was ok. I was back then expecting the unlynchable to claim under any circumstance, although I see now why he doesn't (makes more sense to claim D2 if still alive). With that in mind, I expected the claims to give us some lead on who to lynch. At the same time I saw no real downside for town. Hence I thought the plan is worth trying out. Also, as I explained, I hoped that scum and/or jester might make a mistake with claiming, leading to confirmed townies.
Firstly, as discussed in Exhibit A-1. Regardless of whether your ideas are similar to Geripts, you clearly expressed that you had additional thoughts - so far this has not been evident. Secondly, You are still seeking the lynchproof townie. Thirdly, the "mistake claiming leading to confirmed townies" seems so far fetched and reads me like you are trying to dangle a carrot in front of us. What I see: Originally you were a skeptic to a "plan" to break the game.. now.. A rapid change of heart such that your scum hunting foundation is based around claims and plans, whilst still seeking the lynchproof. ===================== Exhibit B-1On August 07 2013 16:31 phagga wrote:
Ok, I have my own thoughts on this for later, but I guess it's worth a try.
I'm VT.
Which obviously means that at least one of you two is lying.
This was your first post to rub me the wrong way. Given the whole "skepticism" of the plan and your quick "convenient" turn-around; this exchange reads to me as forced and "pot stirring". Now.. town *CAN* intentionally stir the pot to get reactions; but do you actually follow through with any pressure? The answer is .. no.. not until much later.. Again, this is not typically a townie indicator. -------------------- Exhibit B-2On August 08 2013 02:35 phagga wrote:
Again, when I asked for his plan I did not think that far. I really just tried to figure out what he wants to achieve with massclaiming. I just did not like the thought of needlessly putting out information if it does not benefit town.
The benefits for scum? Mocsta mentioned it, there is the possibility that it makes it easier for them to pick a good NK. However, I did not think of that at the time. When I claimed, I could not think of a downside. Firstly, lets assume that you withheld due to skepticism; rather than being concerned about being counter-claimed. Secondly, I dont follow "I could not think of a downside, when I claimed" as identified in Exhibit B-1. Town wouldnt put all their eggs in one basket (a plan) to scum hunt; nor would they create a situation to call someone a "liar" and then not proceed with a meaningful pressure followup. ===================== Exhibit COn August 07 2013 17:57 phagga wrote:
Ok, this is not what I expected to happen at all, although it makes sense for either not-town role to claim jester. What I'm more surprised is that the unlynchable did not claim yet. I suppose someone is holding back to draw out a fakeclaim? That did not really work though, as we have 4 claimed VTs and a jester now. I Disagree. Firstly, the plan is a deterrent for the lynchproof/jesters to come out as it gives each party at best a 50% chance to win. Secondly, I already provided logic on why mafia would be seeking the lynchproof. Thirdly, you only became a "believer" after two had already claimed. Yet, now is surprised that the remaining two people (myself/hapa) did not claim non-VT roles... lol. Overall, this post has too many logic gaps for me; I would expect more transparency from a townie that has converted from skeptic to believer. ===================== Exhibit DYour case on me boils down to OMGUS. You don't like I keep querying your mentality, so call me anti-town.. ===================== Exhibit EOn August 09 2013 01:02 phagga wrote:
Now I'm the one posting from phone.
Jesters wincon is relevant to town because it influences towns behaviour in 1-1-1 on D2. With the new information it means that town is in an almost unwinnable situation.
And I thought of that question too, but it got answered before I could ask it. So I disagree that a townie would not think of it Last time I checked, we were in D1. Im concerned you are planning for D2 already. ======================
TL;DR
- Feigns contributions regarding the Geript plan by promising further content, and delivering none
- Constantly is looking for the lynchproof townie
- Intentionally claims, and proceeds to accuse people of "lying"; yet does not meaningfully follow up.
- Is more concerned about preparing for D2.
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So why is phagga no jester?
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On August 09 2013 02:06 Oatsmaster wrote:
So why is phagga no jester?
Fair question.
(1) Jester wants to get lynched, so wants to act scummy, but not TOO scummy (otherwise town wont vote him).
Now, phagga has been trying to share discourse back n forth but keeps getting stuck in the same logic holes.
Hence I think he is mafia trying to maintain a story and is getting caught.
(2) Jester can win D1. Mafia can only win post-D2. Phagga is already clearly contemplating D2 strategy.
Hence I think this is a stronger indicator of mafia alignment, as opposed to jester.
(3) His obsession with the lynchproof townie. To me, this is something the mafia is seeking; not the jester.
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I dunno man.
I think he was too obvious at the start too be scum.
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I gotta sleep.
Mocsta you didnt convince me 
HAPA!!
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
Vote Count
Hapa (1): Oats
Oats (1): Geript
Phagga (1): Mocsta
Not voting (2): Phagga, Hapa
5 alive, 3 to lynch. Remember, it's instant majority lynch, if a majority is hit, stop posting.
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Mocsta, your case is a pain in the ass to quote.
Exhibit A1&2
My own thoughts revolved about confirming townies, something geript did not mention. You don't want to believe, fine.
And you're surprised I had a rapid change of heart? Really? Do you remember nominations? Don't tell me I'm not doing stuff like this as town.
finally, in your quote in Exhibit A-2 I was clearly not seeking the unlynchable, I wrote that I understood now why he would withhold from claiming which means I agreed with his action => not seeking him.
Exhibt B
Everyone claimed VT. 3 out of 4 people are lying, including one townie. What's the use of this?
Second, you make it look like my whole play so far revolves around setup and plans, which is just not true. However, I do like to try to understand a setup as good as possible (which includes possible situations for D2, btw).
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=407704&user=phagga
This is the first page of my filter of Dr. Who Mafia. Mostly setup talk. Yes, I do like figuring out setups. No, it does not make me scum.
Exhibit C
Eh, what? if 2 people have not claimed it is very well possible that both will claim non-VT-roles. you are using hindsight knowledge to criticize my actions, I couldn't *know* that you both would claim VTs.
Exhibit D
I don't have a problem with you quering my mentality.
On August 08 2013 23:48 phagga wrote:
Mocsta's mainly all over me now, and I welcome that he's actually doing something now compared to yesterday. I'll look forward to his posts once he is off phone.
I even took the time to try to answer your questions again as good as I could. I don't have a problem with you attacking me, I have a problem how you did in the beginning.
Also, Oats probed me alot as well, but he did it in a way that made me feel that he was really trying to figure me out. I did not get that feeling from your early play, hence my earlier scum/jester-read on you.
Exhibit E
Setup talk, see above.
Generally I find the case to be pretty bad. What worries me most is that you focus on my comments regarding setup and plans, and ignore everything else.
You're concentrating on me completely, which makes sense if you're town and think I'm scum. However, you misrepresented things I said a few times, which bothers me (claiming I changed my position on Hapa when I didn't, me saying your either jester or scum and you claiming I called you exclusively scum). It just feels like you are either not reading the game very carefully or try to make me look bad on purpose.
You're either a townie blind from tunneling scum. Not sure which one it is yet.
Hapa and Geript, I would like to hear your opinions on Mocstas case on me.
Also, @Geript,
On August 09 2013 00:01 geript wrote:
Oats totes scum that's y I vote oats
This will not convince me. I currently read Oats as town, as I feel he is trying to figure people out. So tell me, why is Oats scum?
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Nothing about Mocsta's case is alignment indicative. He seems most concerned with the "preparing for D2" bit, but what does that even mean? It's impossible for townies to be concerned about basically auto-losing on D2?
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Funny, you're not voting for him hapa
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##unvote
##vote phagga
I think the last two unvoted (hapa/phagga) are scum/jester. Meh whatevs.
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Oats. Lets make this majority happen
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On August 09 2013 07:29 geript wrote:
##unvote
##vote phagga
I think the last two unvoted (hapa/phagga) are scum/jester. Meh whatevs.
I thought Oats is totes scum, what changed?
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Oats, I would like to hear your thoughts on the situation.
Hapa, you seem to have zero interest in playing the game, what's going on? What's your stance on Mocsta now? What do you think of geripts behaviour?
5 new posts in 7 hours? This is most dissappointing.
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On August 09 2013 14:11 phagga wrote:
Oats, I would like to hear your thoughts on the situation.
Hapa, you seem to have zero interest in playing the game, what's going on? What's your stance on Mocsta now? What do you think of geripts behaviour?
5 new posts in 7 hours? This is most dissappointing.
yeah I wanna kill hapa cause I think hes scum and I think you are jester.
I dunno though, hapa isnt even trying. He might be the jester.
Or geript looked too townie and is the jester trying to do stupid shit. I DUNNO. SO HARD>
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On August 09 2013 10:35 Mocsta wrote:
Oats. Lets make this majority happen
no im not gonna lose cause you want to kill the possible jester.
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On August 09 2013 15:42 Oatsmaster wrote:no im not gonna lose cause you want to kill the possible jester.
I get the concern , however I still think hapa has displayed a lack of motivation in posts I would have associated with being jester.
One of hapa only passionate posts was where we went through phsgga filter to explain why he wasn't jester...perhaps this was easy to do merely because hapa IS the jester.
Oats. My position is clear and the power of day1 still lies with u.
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On August 09 2013 15:51 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 15:42 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 09 2013 10:35 Mocsta wrote:
Oats. Lets make this majority happen no im not gonna lose cause you want to kill the possible jester. I get the concern , however I still think hapa has displayed a lack of motivation in posts I would have associated with being jester. One of hapa only passionate posts was where we went through phsgga filter to explain why he wasn't jester...perhaps this was easy to do merely because hapa IS the jester. Oats. My position is clear and the power of day1 still lies with u.
it likes with you too.
You could vote for hapa.
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Well I prefer hapa as jester so don't feel safe with my vote there currently.
So Talk to me.
We clearly feel hapa IS anti town. However why mafia vs jester?
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On August 09 2013 16:05 Mocsta wrote:
Well I prefer hapa as jester so don't feel safe with my vote there currently.
So Talk to me.
We clearly feel hapa IS anti town. However why mafia vs jester?
Lol.
I feel that hapa as jester will play not so scumlike. This feels a ton like Hapa's scum play which could be intentional.
What do you think of geript? After his early burst, totally useless.
Phagga has been more tryhard which could be jester acting as scum or scum trying to act town.
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Vote Count
Hapa (1): Oats
Oats (0): Geript
Phagga (2): Mocsta, Geript
Not voting (2): Phagga, Hapa
5 alive, 3 to lynch. Remember, it's instant majority lynch, if a majority is hit, stop posting.
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oh shit instant majority.
Oh no way im voting for phagga right now.
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I'm not sure how hapa would choose to play jester. But he's clearly uninvested in the thread which makes him antitown by meta.
What I don't like about Geript is that he called u scum but chose to never elaborate. I'm still giving him credit for early burst, and from my experience Geript is not normally a game solver for contributions anyways.
The fact u r treating this slam vote so seriously makes me sure u r town.
So.
This leaves me with phagga as last antitown.
For me. Hapa is uninterested in the game. Is blending in by adding weak justification comments here and there, and then doesn't follow through with any pressure.he simply doesn't care.
Phagga on the other is displaying care factor. And heck. Mafia certainly do NOT want to be lynched.
Hence I think hapa non caring is him being jester and wanting to be lynched.. whereas phagga is trying to stop this game from ending.
My take. Vote phagga. Vote mafia. End the game.
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Well, phagga could also be jester and tryharding it up because it makes him look like scum as opposed to hapa.
Ok look at hapa's posting. Is it intentional or not?
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Nah man, phagga's scum methinks
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waiting for the /sick delurk bro
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So I can't sleep and am up late and nobody wants to talk to me :/
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Hapa posts just feel forced. He tries to throw shot but doesn't push it objectively or with purpose. He's basically whispering.
Everyone knows that a town hapa gets more enjoyment solving the game. as scum he has to try to figure out the jesyer and even with that he isn't trying. Which makes me think he is jester waiting for the game to play out and has no interest to solve anything.
All hapa has told is .. is that phagga isn't jester.
Now if phagga is try Harding to get lynched I'm willing to lose. That's master stroke planning and honestly I'm not willing to give him credit for such a performance as jester. I'm not sure anyone in tl could setup that type of play to be honest. However the tryharding does make sense as mafia as I explained earlier. This is a far simpler solution. And the one I'm choosing to believe and endorse
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On August 09 2013 16:51 geript wrote:
So I can't sleep and am up late and nobody wants to talk to me :/
What changed us mind from oats to phagga?
I do have concerns u dodged explaining what made oats scummy. He's pretty clearly town to me.
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I was fishing for reactions; in small games vote analysis can be more important. I can withdraw the vote if I so choose. The fact that how it was avoided by phagga bothered me.
With a 1-1-1 vote, you're assured scum is looking to hammer but doesn't want to look scummy for a +1 and wants to make sure that they don't hit jester. We needed to move discussion forward and votes do that.
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I like that response. Even moreso considering it's 4am
K. Well I'm heading into. Meeting.
Hopefully u have better luck discussing phagga as mafia with oats
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I agree with you guys that Hapa is probably jester.
Geript, I told you that Oats is my town read, why would I vote him? What kind of absurd logic is that? And I asked you for your reasons for the vote, how did I avoid it?
Mocsta, you know who else tries to stay alive? Town. I can't believe the crap you're writing.
##Vote: Mocsta
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Mocsta's case hangs almost completely on my setup speculation. He keeps ignoring that I tried to get people to talk. He keeps claiming that Town is not interested in D2, which is bullshit. He has been tunneling me the whole game, trying to hang me up on my setup speculation. He claims I have gaps of logics in my explanations but fails to explain them.
And he should know better, specially from nominations mafia. I cannot believe that Town-Mocsta plays like this.
Geript, so all I would have had to do is put down a vote to look townie? Do you really think that scum is not able to put down the first vote one someone in this game? Or do you have other reasons for voting me?
Oats and geript, read Mocstas filter, and tell me what he has done that makes him town. He has been tunneling me the whole game and has tried to discredit me with wrong information on several occasions. How is he displaying a town mindset?
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It's not what you said. You sidestepped the discussion. All "He's a town read, but you could convince me if you wanted."
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k so hapa isnt posting intentionally bad.
Is he town?? :/
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On August 09 2013 17:26 geript wrote:
It's not what you said. You sidestepped the discussion. All "He's a town read, but you could convince me if you wanted."
Because you might have seen things that I missed? If you pointed out something that must come from a scum mindset, I'd be stupid to not change my read. After all you seemed to be very convinced, so I thought I might have missed something.
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Oats, there is no way that Hapa is town the way he is playing.
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On August 09 2013 17:32 phagga wrote:
Oats, there is no way that Hapa is town the way he is playing.
so why dont you think he is scum?
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On August 09 2013 17:33 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 17:32 phagga wrote:
Oats, there is no way that Hapa is town the way he is playing. so why dont you think he is scum?
I can't imagine scum being so inactive. Wouldn't he try to at least get some control of the game? After all, he wants to steer it to a misslynch some way.
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On August 09 2013 17:36 phagga wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 17:33 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 09 2013 17:32 phagga wrote:
Oats, there is no way that Hapa is town the way he is playing. so why dont you think he is scum? I can't imagine scum being so inactive. Wouldn't he try to at least get some control of the game? After all, he wants to steer it to a misslynch some way.
well he just wants to make sure he doesnt lynch the jester. but we need to lynch the scum.
So he can lynch 3/4 people. We can only lynch 1/4 people.
So yeah. As jester, he also would want to get lynched right? So that means playing the game.
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The jester probably has a better chance to get lynched D2, unless he gets shot. Perhaps he hopes to get lynched because we think that his inactivity = scum? It's hard to say why he plays that way, but I can barely associate his behaviour with a scum mindset in this setup.
Besides, if Hapa isn't jester, who is? Geript is looking townie, so are you. For me, that only leaves Mocsta, and I don't think he is actively trying to get lynched.
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Except of course if mocsta is the jester pushing my mislynch to get lynched D2 for it. But I doubt it, it makes more sense with Hapa jester / mocsta scum.
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well hapa is an experienced player right, so he knows how townies think in general. So he plays like lurky dude as jester? When he should cause trouble and shit right? He's not.
Ok so both you and hapa think that Mocsta is scum, and geript and mocsta think you are scum. Therefore I am the deciding vote. Man this shit is hard. Hapa can you help out?
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Hapa has not voted yet, and if he is indeed the jester and mocsta scum, then he will never vote.
Geript is a stubborn bastard, and I have no clue how I can convince him that he's wrong on me. He does not even really talk to me.
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So we can see if hapa is scum if he votes!
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@Oats... don't you remember calling hapa out? He called me town, he called you town, he called phagga town. Hapa isn't this stupid as town. At least I don't think he can be. Basic math. So it's a matter of who you think is town. I know I'm town. I think Moc is town; I just need to completely throw out old meta on him b/c he's a completely different player.
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@Oats. No, Hapa can't afford to vote for phaga regardless if both Hapa/phaga are not town. If he's scum, then it's a jester flip and gg. If he's jester, then its' a scum flip and gg.
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On August 09 2013 18:00 geript wrote:
@Oats... don't you remember calling hapa out? He called me town, he called you town, he called phagga town. Hapa isn't this stupid as town. At least I don't think he can be. Basic math. So it's a matter of who you think is town. I know I'm town. I think Moc is town; I just need to completely throw out old meta on him b/c he's a completely different player.
ah yeah that too.
The thing for me, is hapa jester or scum.
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Ok, so who do you think is non-town between Moc, phagga and me?
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On August 09 2013 18:02 geript wrote:
Ok, so who do you think is non-town between Moc, phagga and me?
phagga or mocsta.
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On August 09 2013 17:49 phagga wrote:
Hapa has not voted yet, and if he is indeed the jester and mocsta scum, then he will never vote.
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this is beyond ridiculous.
hapa has been miserly pushing me all game as Mafia.
we all know from the rule clarification that jester and Mafia can share a victory. henceforth a jester hapa would have stopped pushing for my lynch if he truly thought I was Mafia...
instead, he continued after the announcement.
I shall repeat that u thought it was natural to consider jester interactions,which just drops my jaw as a townie.
On August 09 2013 17:36 phagga wrote: I can't imagine scum being so inactive. Wouldn't he try to at least get some control of the game? After all, he wants to steer it to a misslynch some way.
Mafia love pushing the theory that scum is some mastermind trying to be active and pulling strings. where as we all know better. game after game on team liquid has shown that scum are always most likely to try and control things behind the scenes.
this whole game I have been transparent in my approach to finding antitown ; yet now u try and accuse me of being a scum mastermind..,, lol phagga just lol.
u r the one that has been subtlely trying to steer things starting from the very beginning of the game when u tried to cock block the geript plan
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Moc. are you honestly VT or are you unlynchable?
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fuck it, phagga is jester.
HAPA!
mocsta. BELIEVE ME.
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we all know from the rule clarification that jester and Mafia can share a victory. henceforth a jester hapa would have stopped pushing for my lynch if he truly thought I was Mafia...
actually what is this bullshit? So hapa isnt jester right? THEN HE IS SCUM MOCSTA?
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...can u explain me why phagga is jester?
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@oats... why do you think phagga is the jester? I can definitely see it.
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##unvote
I don't want a random hammer going down quite yet. I'm going to bed. I'll read again in the afternoon/morning/whenever i wake up and finish work.
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On August 09 2013 18:13 Mocsta wrote:
...can u explain me why phagga is jester?
what? you just said hapa isnt jester.
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On August 09 2013 18:14 geript wrote:
@oats... why do you think phagga is the jester? I can definitely see it.
he has been like contradicting himself, didnt follow geript's plan for no reason. and attacking Mocsta, active dude who has been shoving stuff down his throat. I think as scum he wouldve pushed Hapa.
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no, I said hapa couldn't vote phagga regardless if both are anti-town. Maybe I'm too sleepy and my mind and fingers aren't syncing.
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On August 09 2013 18:13 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +we all know from the rule clarification that jester and Mafia can share a victory. henceforth a jester hapa would have stopped pushing for my lynch if he truly thought I was Mafia...
actually what is this bullshit? So hapa isnt jester right? THEN HE IS SCUM MOCSTA?
?? I don't follow.
I'm saying that jester needs to get lynched, or work towards shared win, which means lynching a townie and not who he suspects is Mafia....
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He's saying that if phagga is jester and hapa scum, then hapa can't push phagga. The problem is that the reverse is true too (jester hapa doesn't push scum phagga).
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On August 09 2013 18:16 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 18:14 geript wrote:
@oats... why do you think phagga is the jester? I can definitely see it. he has been like contradicting himself, didnt follow geript's plan for no reason. and attacking Mocsta, active dude who has been shoving stuff down his throat. I think as scum he wouldve pushed Hapa.
Moc think on this too...
I need sleep and need to refilter again.
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OK geript.
as a sign of good faith to reevaluate with a clear mind
will have a reread tomorrow. ciao
##unvote
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So what you are saying mocsta, is that one of phagga or hapa is town right?
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On August 09 2013 18:28 Oatsmaster wrote:
So what you are saying mocsta, is that one of phagga or hapa is town right?
maybe I'm tired., I thought I was writing clear?
in essence I agree with geript. anti town hapa can't push who he thinks is the remaining anti town... well he can but that's really poor play, and I respect hapa enough to erase that thought
whether hapa or phagga is anti town, I will reevaluate tomorrow.
I'm surprised u consider me a possibility with phagga though. anything u want to run by me while I'm here?
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On August 09 2013 18:37 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 18:28 Oatsmaster wrote:
So what you are saying mocsta, is that one of phagga or hapa is town right? maybe I'm tired., I thought I was writing clear? in essence I agree with geript. anti town hapa can't push who he thinks is the remaining anti town... well he can but that's really poor play, and I respect hapa enough to erase that thought whether hapa or phagga is anti town, I will reevaluate tomorrow. I'm surprised u consider me a possibility with phagga though. anything u want to run by me while I'm here?
yeah so, if one of phagga and hapa is town, THEN WHO IS THE OTHER ONE?
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well ur my towniest read.
so in your hypothetical query. that leaves geript by process of elimination.
frankly I find this unlikely.
I'm pretty firm both phagga and hapa are antitown. my reevaluation tomorrow was about which is the jwstwr and which is Mafia.
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in essence I agree with geript. anti town hapa can't push who he thinks is the remaining anti town... well he can but that's really poor play, and I respect hapa enough to erase that thought
So now you dont agree with this?
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On August 09 2013 19:20 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +in essence I agree with geript. anti town hapa can't push who he thinks is the remaining anti town... well he can but that's really poor play, and I respect hapa enough to erase that thought
So now you dont agree with this?
Dude.. i dont understand whats going on here??
I thought what I wrote is clear, and i am *genuinely* struggling to understand where our communication breakdown is deriving from?
I 100% agree that good play is:
Antitown shouldnt be pushing who they think is the other antitown.
Because of the shared win-con.
Now, we all know Hapa is not adhering to this typical town meta, so the take is: he is antitown.
Hence, what I am saying is that, Hapa as antitown, should not be pushing the other antitown.
So who is Hapa pushing? Hes pushing me..and I know I am town.
=================
Are we still on different pages?
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ah ok.
So why did you say that in the first place?
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I thought I did?
anyways. like I said, I will have a rethink on hapa/phagga tomorrow with a clear mind.
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If i got jester this game, I would be fucking pumped man, ready to try and get mislynched.
Hapa doesnt feel that way, phagga somewhat does.
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but isn't that too obvious?
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On August 09 2013 20:21 Mocsta wrote:
but isn't that too obvious?
Well phagga seems to be trying his best not to get lynched. So its not that obvious. :O
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i meant. ur gameplan if u were jester.
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On August 09 2013 20:39 Mocsta wrote:
i meant. ur gameplan if u were jester.
start off advocating lynch on like geript or phagga, make cases. Push. argue with dudes, get angry. hopefully get lynched.
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hhmmm.. in the end: the jester is a "new" role prob all of us have no familiarity with.
So perhaps, us trying to guess how a jester would play is causing this issue with consolidation; and ultimately is all guesswork.
So.. oats, you detailed how you would play as jester.
In this setup, how would you play mafia?
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I would probably do something like advocate or disagree with plans, like setup speculation and be open to lynching more than 1 dude. Ill wont push the guy i think is jester, maybe defend a bit.
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so if hapa is Mafia, how does he fit that mold?
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On August 09 2013 21:31 Mocsta wrote:
so if hapa is Mafia, how does he fit that mold?
He doesnt.
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OK. so are u still arguing hapa instead of phagga?
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On August 09 2013 22:00 Mocsta wrote:
OK. so are u still arguing hapa instead of phagga?
yes.
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k then.
well I'm going to bed and hopefully a fresh perspective can do us all some good.
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Mocsta!
On August 09 2013 18:07 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 17:49 phagga wrote:
Hapa has not voted yet, and if he is indeed the jester and mocsta scum, then he will never vote.
. this is beyond ridiculous. hapa has been miserly pushing me all game as Mafia. we all know from the rule clarification that jester and Mafia can share a victory. henceforth a jester hapa would have stopped pushing for my lynch if he truly thought I was Mafia... instead, he continued after the announcement. I shall repeat that u thought it was natural to consider jester interactions,which just drops my jaw as a townie. Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 17:36 phagga wrote: I can't imagine scum being so inactive. Wouldn't he try to at least get some control of the game? After all, he wants to steer it to a misslynch some way. Mafia love pushing the theory that scum is some mastermind trying to be active and pulling strings. where as we all know better. game after game on team liquid has shown that scum are always most likely to try and control things behind the scenes. this whole game I have been transparent in my approach to finding antitown ; yet now u try and accuse me of being a scum mastermind..,, lol phagga just lol. u r the one that has been subtlely trying to steer things starting from the very beginning of the game when u tried to cock block the geript plan
your post is full of bullshit, lies and contradictions. Let's have a look.
+ Show Spoiler +On August 09 2013 18:07 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 17:49 phagga wrote:
Hapa has not voted yet, and if he is indeed the jester and mocsta scum, then he will never vote.
. this is beyond ridiculous. hapa has been miserly pushing me all game as Mafia. we all know from the rule clarification that jester and Mafia can share a victory. henceforth a jester hapa would have stopped pushing for my lynch if he truly thought I was Mafia... instead, he continued after the announcement.
LIE
Hapa "miserly pushing you" even after the rule clarification:
On August 08 2013 09:57 Hapahauli wrote:
Alright I'll take a look. Again though, early game town-reads are not 100%. However I'm suspicious enough of Mocsta at this point to not have much of my focus on Oats.
This post is the last time that Hapa mentions you as being suspicious or scumread. Now check the timestamps on the rule clarification:
On August 08 2013 14:40 Blazinghand wrote:
Rules clarification re: endgaming the jester
A jester endgamed by the town loses.
A jester endgamed by scum gets a "partial victory"
This came later. Since this post, all Hapa has posted are these two posts:
+ Show Spoiler +On August 08 2013 16:00 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 13:16 Oatsmaster wrote:
wait so hapa, you would play jester as townie as possible? No, but a Jester won't necessarily reveal his/her hand this soon. You have to balance being scummy with being laughably obvious. Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 13:11 geript wrote:On August 08 2013 12:59 Hapahauli wrote:
That's a huge misrepresentation of what I've been posting considering your "plan."
Like I said, every single role wants to claim VT. You seem to think that we should have the unlynchable claim, but that just makes them a target on N1. They can always claim if they're about to get lynched. I don't see the difference. If you dismiss the plan without explaining why you think it's bad then that's the same to me. Just because you don't understand my explanation doesn't mean I didn't explain it. As said twice before, there's simply no merit in having the unlynchable townie claim now. Why out a blue when we don't need to? He can claim at any time. Best case scenario for town is to have him live to tomorrow and THEN claim. On August 09 2013 07:11 Hapahauli wrote:
Nothing about Mocsta's case is alignment indicative. He seems most concerned with the "preparing for D2" bit, but what does that even mean? It's impossible for townies to be concerned about basically auto-losing on D2?
So no, Hapa has been barely pushing you at the beginning of the game. since the clarification, he has not mentioned you once as a scumread or a lynch candidate. And yes, it's perfectly possible that you are Mafia, since the guy we all think is jester stopped pushing you after the rule clarification.
CONTRADICTION
On August 09 2013 18:07 Mocsta wrote:
I shall repeat that u thought it was natural to consider jester interactions,which just drops my jaw as a townie.
Oh really? Please read the bolded part:
On August 08 2013 10:27 Mocsta wrote:
Firstly. I can understand why some have chosen to pressure me. Its a 5 player game and I have one of the largest filters. Hence; the most content to go through at this early stage. Perhaps instead of brash - incorrect - analysis, it would be more pertinent to address questions I can actually respond to.
Secondly. Personally, I still take issue with the lynchproof plan. I get what the plan does; I get that we have moved away from the plan; however I just dont understand why a player would concoct a plan that leaves town with a 50/50 chance to win. This is far from a pro-town plan to consider, let alone continue to endorse.
Lastly. I stand by my logic; hence, I think you guys are treating this way too much like a normal, and not giving enough credit for what each of the anti-town roles want to achieve. The whole point of this game is that if you mis-read somone, it could be GG due to Jester. Its only by understanding how they need to proceed, that we can catch them.
That's what I have been doing. Trying to understand how they need to proceed to achieve optimal results. But now you're here calling me scum for following the very advise you gave?
BULLSHIT, followed by CONTRADICTIONS
On August 09 2013 18:07 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 17:36 phagga wrote: I can't imagine scum being so inactive. Wouldn't he try to at least get some control of the game? After all, he wants to steer it to a misslynch some way. Mafia love pushing the theory that scum is some mastermind trying to be active and pulling strings. where as we all know better. game after game on team liquid has shown that scum are always most likely to try and control things behind the scenes.
This is so much garbage I don't even know where to start. Let's just take the easiest one: How does scum, in this game, without partners, without PMs, control things behind the scenes? Answer: He can't.
this whole game I have been transparent in my approach to finding antitown ; yet now u try and accuse me of being a scum mastermind..,, lol phagga just lol.
I'm not saying your a scum mastermind, I say you try to steer the game to a misslynch. You try to get enough control over the game so you can push my mislynch through. And you have almost succeded.
On August 09 2013 18:07 Mocsta wrote:
u r the one that has been subtlely trying to steer things starting from the very beginning of the game when u tried to cock block the geript plan
I was cockblocking the plan? But wait:
On August 09 2013 01:57 Mocsta wrote:
Now whilst I can agree that skeptical is a "townie"-ish trait to exhibit and you do indeed seek more information from Geript; its the post-plan behaviour that I find odd.
So... is it a townie trait to be skeptical and try to gain more info, or am I cock blocking his plan? Contradictions, Contradictions.
Also, subtly steering things in the thread means I'm trying to have some control over the game. Didn't you just write further up that scum does not play this way?
Your case on me revolves entirely around my setup speculation and plan behaviour. You completely ignore my reads and the reasons for them, you ignore that I tried to get converstation going with others several times.
Tell me, where comes that habit to repeatedly call yourself town? Why do you feel the need after your VT claim to repeat that you are town?
+ Show Spoiler +On August 08 2013 14:58 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 14:40 Blazinghand wrote:
Rules clarification re: endgaming the jester
A jester endgamed by town loses.
A jester endgamed by scum gets a "partial victory" I suspect scum asked this question as i can't imagine town thinking about this.. I know I certainly didntHmmm I imagine this changes the game somewhat as now scum have the option to bandy up day2 and are probably playing the lurking game.. Where are u phagga.... On August 09 2013 00:42 Mocsta wrote:@Phagga. For your first query: Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 14:40 Blazinghand wrote:
Rules clarification re: endgaming the jester
A jester endgamed by town loses.
A jester endgamed by scum gets a "partial victory" Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 14:58 Mocsta wrote:
I suspect scum asked this question as i can't imagine town thinking about this.. I know I certainly didnt Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 23:51 phagga wrote:
Why would you not think about that question as town? Do you think this information is not important for town? Why would you not think about the question as townWin-Con phagga... Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 15:51 Blazinghand wrote:
Miners' Win Con: Miners win when the Goon is dead. They lose if Night 2 starts, or if the Jester is lynched. Why would I -let me remind you: town- be contemplating the jester wincon beyond to be lynched? My focus is to lynch the goon, and avoid the jester. (As a post-game thing.. I would be seriously shocked if it wasn't the jester that asked for clarification.. which then leads into WIFOM about timezones etc) [i]Do you think this information is not important for townI think it just opens up WIFOM, so no. Regardless of whether jseter wants a selfish victory, or shared... my focus is the same. Lynch the goon. Do you beg to differ?=============== (2) Regarding grievances etc, This ties into my query post to you. Will start compiling soonish. Need to re-read again first. On August 09 2013 18:07 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 17:49 phagga wrote:
Hapa has not voted yet, and if he is indeed the jester and mocsta scum, then he will never vote.
. this is beyond ridiculous. hapa has been miserly pushing me all game as Mafia. we all know from the rule clarification that jester and Mafia can share a victory. henceforth a jester hapa would have stopped pushing for my lynch if he truly thought I was Mafia... instead, he continued after the announcement. I shall repeat that u thought it was natural to consider jester interactions, which just drops my jaw as a townie.Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 17:36 phagga wrote: I can't imagine scum being so inactive. Wouldn't he try to at least get some control of the game? After all, he wants to steer it to a misslynch some way. Mafia love pushing the theory that scum is some mastermind trying to be active and pulling strings. where as we all know better. game after game on team liquid has shown that scum are always most likely to try and control things behind the scenes. this whole game I have been transparent in my approach to finding antitown ; yet now u try and accuse me of being a scum mastermind..,, lol phagga just lol. u r the one that has been subtlely trying to steer things starting from the very beginning of the game when u tried to cock block the geript plan On August 09 2013 19:31 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 19:20 Oatsmaster wrote:in essence I agree with geript. anti town hapa can't push who he thinks is the remaining anti town... well he can but that's really poor play, and I respect hapa enough to erase that thought
So now you dont agree with this? Dude.. i dont understand whats going on here?? I thought what I wrote is clear, and i am *genuinely* struggling to understand where our communication breakdown is deriving from? I 100% agree that good play is: Antitown shouldnt be pushing who they think is the other antitown.Because of the shared win-con. Now, we all know Hapa is not adhering to this typical town meta, so the take is: he is antitown. Hence, what I am saying is that, Hapa as antitown, should not be pushing the other antitown. So who is Hapa pushing? Hes pushing me..and I know I am town.================= Are we still on different pages?
Looks like you have to compensate for something.
Oats, geript, I don't know how you can read this guy town. I ask you to reconsider your read and vote with me.
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No lie, when I started reading that case I was all: "that feels like a rally odd case for a townie to make"
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On August 09 2013 23:38 geript wrote:
No lie, when I started reading that case I was all: "that feels like a rally odd case for a townie to make"
</3
Why?
Weekend begins, my activity will drop heavily for the next 60 hours.
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@ geript
Why are you voting phagga? I've seen plenty in yoru filter about him being jester, but no reasoning about why you think he's mafia.
It doesn't seem like you're even interested in figuring out his allignment.
On August 09 2013 23:38 geript wrote:
No lie, when I started reading that case I was all: "that feels like a rally odd case for a townie to make"
What is this crap?
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more miserly pressure from hapa
I was hoping u were at least going to address oats concerns... u know, he is adamant u r Mafia after all
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BTW I love 2 things about ohaggas case
1... he will now be afk for 60hrs lol
2.. he's so confident about his case that he didn't lay down a vote
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hapa why arent you playing?
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On August 10 2013 13:04 Oatsmaster wrote:
hapa why arent you playing?
Cos he *WANTS* to get lynched...
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yeah im slowly going that way man.
But wifom!
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well after the developments with phagga and hapa.
JM pretty happy with a vote on phagga, he's clearly trying to save his ass, but lacks the conviction..whereas hapa is still trying to get lynched.
I would expect Mafia in phagga position to do exactly what he did...
and jester in hapa position to do exactly what he did..
so....
##vote:phagga
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What do you mean by 'lacks the conviction'?
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Do we really have to do this?
con·vic·tion
[kuhn-vik-shuhn]
noun
1.
a fixed or firm belief: No clever argument, no persuasive fact or theory could make a dent in his conviction in the rightness of his position.
2.
the act of convicting; a declaration that a person is guilty of an offense.
No vote dude.. hes just trying to throw dirt around me, but let other people do the work. Then he can bandwagon on and take no responsibility when I flip. Classic scum play.
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On August 10 2013 10:14 Mocsta wrote:
BTW I love 2 things about ohaggas case
1... he will now be afk for 60hrs lol
2.. he's so confident about his case that he didn't lay down a vote
1. I am not afk for 60 hours, just low activity.
2. My vote is on you for a long time already.
Just more tries to discredit me with lies.
Oats, you still think Mocsta is town? Do you think that the post I quoted earlier comes from a town mindset? What do you say About the points I raised?
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On August 10 2013 15:11 Mocsta wrote:
Do we really have to do this?
con·vic·tion
[kuhn-vik-shuhn]
noun
1.
a fixed or firm belief: No clever argument, no persuasive fact or theory could make a dent in his conviction in the rightness of his position.
2.
the act of convicting; a declaration that a person is guilty of an offense.
No vote dude.. hes just trying to throw dirt around me, but let other people do the work. Then he can bandwagon on and take no responsibility when I flip. Classic scum play.
Stop lying already.
On August 09 2013 17:07 phagga wrote:
I agree with you guys that Hapa is probably jester.
Geript, I told you that Oats is my town read, why would I vote him? What kind of absurd logic is that? And I asked you for your reasons for the vote, how did I avoid it?
Mocsta, you know who else tries to stay alive? Town. I can't believe the crap you're writing.
##Vote: Mocsta
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Phagga,
I thought we all unvoted last night.
You know.... have a fresh perspective of the game and all.
Unfortunately, it seems like you and Hapa are the only one that is unwilling to do that.
P.S. I like how you use this unjustified read on Hapa to blindly tunnel me into oblivion.
On August 09 2013 17:07 phagga wrote:
I agree with you guys that Hapa is probably jester.
As discussed before, anti-town dont wanna be targetting anti-town afterall.
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Anyways. I read the phagga case and it's a joke.
All his points take everything out of context and are not even worth formally responding to.
Guys, phagga is mafia and needs to be voted off.
Lets finish this game.
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On August 10 2013 22:26 Mocsta wrote:
Anyways. I read the phagga case and it's a joke.
All his points take everything out of context and are not even worth formally responding to.
Guys, phagga is mafia and needs to be voted off.
Lets finish this game.
I disagree there are a few good points here and there in it. But he's overselling some points majorly for 'shock' value or 'eye-popping-ness' or something similar. It's just that how he sells them is a really weird/odd approach for town to take. Honestly, I just want to vote phagga for funsies at this point.
Oats, what do you think of Moc.
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Ok so the thing thats holding me back from voting for phagga is that if Hapa is the jester and phagga is scum, he is seeing his chances of winning slip away, and he hasnt done anything about it.
Of course if he thinks Phagga is town, then yeah lynch town is not as bad as lynching scum for the jester.
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Watching a few games on twitch. I'll post my vote in a few hours and not likely to move it. I think hapa isn't the right vote for sure though.
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Right Geript. So if u think the case has merit why not discuss it with me?
I read the case and I think he has misconstrued points to satisfy his case.
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I dunno, so hard man.
So everyone thinks Hapa is the jester?
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On August 10 2013 23:40 Mocsta wrote:
Right Geript. So if u think the case has merit why not discuss it with me?
I read the case and I think he has misconstrued points to satisfy his case.
Because I wanted to work out the case on my own. Initially I wanted and answer to this:
So no, Hapa has been barely pushing you at the beginning of the game. since the clarification, he has not mentioned you once as a scumread or a lynch candidate. And yes, it's perfectly possible that you are Mafia, since the guy we all think is jester stopped pushing you after the rule clarification.
But then after thinking about it, it makes no sense. Jester isn't likely to push his scum target at all since if Scum gets lynched Jester loses regardless.
Just feels alot more like a bunch of hyped up stuff for a scum case.
##vote phagga
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On August 10 2013 23:55 Oatsmaster wrote:
I dunno, so hard man.
So everyone thinks Hapa is the jester?
I do personally
I think town hapa would be trying to solve it. Whereas the only ppl that give a shot abd are showing signs of contemplating all possibilities is, u Geript and myself.
The only way hapa can be mafia in my opinion is *IF* he has a jester read on someone else otherwise he would do his best to ensure phagga isn't lynched.. cos would be gg.. but he's not doing that.
Instead hapa latest attempt to pressure is directed at geript
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IS GERIPT PLAYING US? IS HE THE SCUM???
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No Oats, I've just been busy between work and coaching.
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On August 11 2013 00:06 geript wrote:
No Oats, I've just been busy between work and coaching.
whut.
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On August 11 2013 00:04 Oatsmaster wrote:
IS GERIPT PLAYING US? IS HE THE SCUM???
Ui dont see it personally. He's been emotionally involvded in the game.
I would expect a scum Geript to sit back and +1 or play the dumbass card. Here he is showing signs of thinking through possibilities to avoid the tunnel. That's pretty townie in my book.
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On August 11 2013 00:06 geript wrote:
No Oats, I've just been busy between work and coaching.
Agree with oats.. this is a fucken Weird answer
I Want explanation of why this addresses oats suspicion
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Ok phagga is more town than geript.
Gut ftw.
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Ok so geript, explain why you dropped your scum read on mocsta as of
+ Show Spoiler +On August 08 2013 05:51 geript wrote:For Mocsta, his automatic initial read of phagga on Jester feels wrong to me. I think he's right that phagga is the jester, but I think he's got there too quick and too obviously. Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 18:24 Mocsta wrote:
so I was actually calling u jester lol....
ima horny and green
so... everyone has claimed, pls post ya logic This post feels wrong to me too. All the pms were strict role, nothing else. It doesn't feel Mocsta-ish to claim horny and green (greenhorn aka vt) instead of just giving his role. He's also a smart cat. I don't get why he doesn't see the automatic logic behind claiming. His plan that both town and scum want to lynch the lynchproof is ridiculous to me. You can preclude the option of lynching the lynchproof if you only get 1 lynchproof claim. If you get 2 it gets tricky, but there are options to figure out which to lynch and whether to avoid both and instead fire into the VTs. If you get 3 lynchproof claims, then you get to avoid the situation almost entirely. There's a distinct lack of Mocsta-logic so far as well. I can't put my figure on it, but he's prodding aiming to fire into Oats/Hapa/Me, but he's not getting to the point on anything. Everything he writes feels like he's trying to keep his options open on where to move/pressure instead of trying to actually pressure anyone or anything to divine their alignment. It's also very interesting to me that his focus seems fully on the jester and the right play around the jester. Sure that's a pivotal point to have town avoid the jester, but it's far more important for scum to avoid jester lynches than it is for town. Town just needs to hit scum. Scum needs to avoid Jester and find room to hide.
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On August 11 2013 00:17 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ok phagga more town than geript.
Gut ftw.
... Explain that one pls
The answer about being busy was odd but not enough to auto declare phagga town..
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Post below that.
Geript feels less involved than phagga.
Also, he's been trying to get the unlynchable townie to claim the whole game.
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
Vote Count
Hapa (1): Oats
Phagga (2): Mocsta, Geript
Mocsta (1): Phagga
Not voting (1): Hapa
5 alive, 3 to lynch. Remember, it's instant majority lynch, if a majority is hit, stop posting.
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Oats. Lets play fantasy.
Geript is antitown and hapa/phagga is antitown
What is Geript.
And which of hapa/phagga is the other?
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On August 11 2013 00:23 Mocsta wrote:
Oats. Lets play fantasy.
Geript is antitown and hapa/phagga is antitown
What is Geript.
And which of hapa/phagga is the other?
geirpt isnt jester so hes scum.
hapa is jester.
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On August3 00:22 Oatsmaster wrote:
Post below that.
Geript feels less involved than phagga.
Also, he's been trying to get the unlynchable townie to claim the whole game.
Oats. Q
How would u expect unlynchable to act? Vs vt?
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On August 11 2013 00:25 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On August3 00:22 Oatsmaster wrote:
Post below that.
Geript feels less involved than phagga.
Also, he's been trying to get the unlynchable townie to claim the whole game. Oats. Q How would u expect unlynchable to act? Vs vt?
no different
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On August 11 2013 00:24 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 00:23 Mocsta wrote:
Oats. Lets play fantasy.
Geript is antitown and hapa/phagga is antitown
What is Geript.
And which of hapa/phagga is the other? geirpt isnt jester so hes scum. hapa is jester.
Ok
Firstly if u agree hapa is jester... can u pls unvote
Secondly. If scum is under fire. Would u not expect him to increase care factor a la phagga??
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uh what? geript hasnt been under fire the whole game.
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What I was responding to was your query that phagga is invested in the game.hence town
I'm saying. Phagga didn't dial up the care factor until under fire.then he fully cranked up the omgus
Why would scum Geript cafe about the game and then fade? Esp when we still not close to a conclusion??
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On August 11 2013 00:30 Mocsta wrote:
What I was responding to was your query that phagga is invested in the game.hence town
I'm saying. Phagga didn't dial up the care factor until under fire.then he fully cranked up the omgus
Why would scum Geript cafe about the game and then fade? Esp when we still not close to a conclusion??
Phagga could be town and under pressure. I think its town.
Whats your second point?
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I had a lot to drink tonight. Gonna hit the sack.
Second point is.. why would scum go to the effort if getting town cred and then kiss that away.. especially when we not close to sealing a vote?
Whilst I agree a townie could increase care factor if pressured. I still interpret phagga as scum. Mainly due to the omgus, overly fabricated case points and his planning of day2 when I'm trying to end the game day1.
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What?
Second point is.. why would scum go to the effort if getting town cred and then kiss that away.. especially when we not close to sealing a vote?
What? So losing 'town cred' is intentional? Geript says hes been busy. Not alignment indicative.
Explain the bad points and why they are bad and stop mentioning the planning day 2 shit.
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Learn to read.. I'm not the one saying Geript is scum.. u r
Personally I think the day2 thing is huge. I'm surprised u can gloss over it with a cavalier attitude
Night dude
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On August 11 2013 00:43 Mocsta wrote:
Learn to read.. I'm not the one saying Geript is scum.. u r
Personally I think the day2 thing is huge. I'm surprised u can gloss over it with a cavalier attitude
Night dude
????????????????????????????
The day 2 thing is not huge.
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Oats... what's your beef exactly? That I've been less active?
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On August 11 2013 00:47 geript wrote:
Oats... what's your beef exactly? That I've been less active?
that you havent done shit, your read on mocsta disappeared and you have been trying to find lynchproof.
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When op was released it said 3 things
Town win if lynch scum
Scum lynch if survive 2 days.. lose if lynch jester
Jester wins if lynched
As far as I was concerned that's enough..
Lynch mafia and win day1
Why would I be considering day2 strategy when day1 isn't over... That's the mindset if someone who doesn't care about the day1 lynch outcome.. I.e mafia...
I'm off now. Leave out
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I dunno mocsta, why would scum consider day 2 too? They cant lynch jester day 1 anyway.
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Can't sleep..
I think scum have to consider day2 cos they have to figure firstly who they can vote day1
And what combination if ppl they can survive with day2.
E.g. phagga is scum and somehow we voted off Geript day1...scum phagga knows I'm gonna come after him day2.. so ideally he won't push that situation to occur.. or he can nk me or whatever
So I still think it's certainly antitown to be thinking about day2. Hence to me it is a big deal
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As for the being busy thing, I've been trying to give my all to the scum team I've been coaching in NMM ###. I just haven't had as much time to read this and analyze because I've been reading and rereading that game to help the scum team, answer Q's, etc.
As for why I dropped the Mocsta thing, my only real problem with him was based on meta. I only use meta to accuse people but because Mocsta's meta has shown a huge game (we were even talking about things prior to the starting of this game), where I would previously trust my meta reads on Mocsta, I don't right now because it's old out of date information.
Sorry thought i posted this earlier but didn't apparently. Watching WCS and SW worlds
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town can techinically win on day 2 too.
Show how his meta differs from the start of the game as opposed to now geript?
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Of course town can win day2... But it's natural to want to finish asap.. I.e day1
Maybe I have a bigger scum hunter ego.. but At least in my head that makes sense
On that note. Im off for good. Ciao
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On August 11 2013 01:44 Mocsta wrote:
Of course town can win day2... But it's natural to want to finish asap.. I.e day1
Maybe I have a bigger scum hunter ego.. but At least in my head that makes sense
On that note. Im off for good. Ciao
Ignore that bit, does anything about my arguments for geript sway you?
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On August 11 2013 01:35 Oatsmaster wrote:
town can techinically win on day 2 too.
Show how his meta differs from the start of the game as opposed to now geript?
No, different meta from his previous games that I was exceptionally familiar with his games but I think he preferred play style has changed drastically.
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On August 11 2013 01:49 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 01:35 Oatsmaster wrote:
town can techinically win on day 2 too.
Show how his meta differs from the start of the game as opposed to now geript? No, different meta from his previous games that I was exceptionally familiar with his games but I think he preferred play style has changed drastically.
So meta is not applicable basically. Why/what made you decide that? Any specific posts? Seems like a really weird thing to happen.
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Because his whole posting style has remained consistent throughout this game while being completely different. I can understand his though processes still in a way that's similarish to before (despite no "moc logic" yet). I just realized that how I previously read him wasn't applicable anymore between following this game and from what Mocsta had told me when we were talking before the game.
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Ok so what makes mocsta town?
Cause that whole paragraph above is way too confusing.
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I think the 2 anti-town are phaga/hapa... by process of elimination moc is town.
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Oats, why in the fuck do you have to be so damn bad? I swear to god that I'm policy lynching you for being fucking awful at this game from now on.
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On August 11 2013 03:55 geript wrote:
Oats, why in the fuck do you have to be so damn bad? I swear to god that I'm policy lynching you for being fucking awful at this game from now on.
I am totally and utterly confused at the anger geript.
You arent close to dying. No one currently is convinced. Everyone is wrong sometimes. Everyone thinks im town.
So convince me you arent scum.
But. Why arent you mentioning that we lose the game if we lynch you?
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Because you're stupidity isn't going to get me lynched unless you also get Moc to vote for me. Your rampant stupidity is the problem.
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On August 08 2013 14:58 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 14:40 Blazinghand wrote:
Rules clarification re: endgaming the jester
A jester endgamed by town loses.
A jester endgamed by scum gets a "partial victory" I suspect scum asked this question as i can't imagine town thinking about this.. I know I certainly didnt Hmmm I imagine this changes the game somewhat as now scum have the option to bandy up day2 and are probably playing the lurking game.. Where are u phagga....
ok so this is the only post in page 1 that makes me think Mocsta is town.
Real or Fake...
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On August 11 2013 04:06 geript wrote:
Because you're stupidity isn't going to get me lynched unless you also get Moc to vote for me. Your rampant stupidity is the problem.
So why are you so angry? My stupidity makes you angry? You must be angry a lot then.
Why do people always get angry when I want to lynch them.
Its disturbing and not at all good for convincing people.
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I gotta go to sleep.
So hapa better show up, and mocsta and geript need to show me they are town before im voting for phagga.
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On August 11 2013 04:09 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 04:06 geript wrote:
Because you're stupidity isn't going to get me lynched unless you also get Moc to vote for me. Your rampant stupidity is the problem. So why are you so angry? My stupidity makes you angry? You must be angry a lot then. Why do people always get angry when I want to lynch them. Its disturbing and not at all good for convincing people.
Here's a hint, because you're rampantly obnoxious or stupid. I just got out of a game with you where you intentionally derped for what 3-4 days and got mad because people wanted to lynch you or vig you. And you can't understand this. I'm fucking obv town and you're too dumb to realize it. Why do you think I'm mad?
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On August 11 2013 04:14 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 04:09 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 11 2013 04:06 geript wrote:
Because you're stupidity isn't going to get me lynched unless you also get Moc to vote for me. Your rampant stupidity is the problem. So why are you so angry? My stupidity makes you angry? You must be angry a lot then. Why do people always get angry when I want to lynch them. Its disturbing and not at all good for convincing people. Here's a hint, because you're rampantly obnoxious or stupid. I just got out of a game with you where you intentionally derped for what 3-4 days and got mad because people wanted to lynch you or vig you. And you can't understand this. I'm fucking obv town and you're too dumb to realize it. Why do you think I'm mad?
So bluelightz?
I dont recall being mad about that.
Bringing past behavioral history into games to shout at people is NEVER going to end well geript. Each game is different. Dont do it.
Also you want to win the game right? So swallow your ego or lose it cause you make me sad and I vote with phagga and hapa.
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Look, you can choose to be bad and vote with at least one person who you are 100% sold is anti town, or you can vote phagga. your choice.
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On August 11 2013 04:18 geript wrote:
Look, you can choose to be bad and vote with at least one person who you are 100% sold is anti town, or you can vote phagga. your choice.
I dunno about that 100% sold part anymore you know.. .
Mocsta jester you scum?
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So Mocsta is now trying to get lynched?
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On August 11 2013 04:25 geript wrote:
So Mocsta is now trying to get lynched?
yes in fact.
Ok so for me, Hapa has good posts, Phagga has good posts, both of you DONT.
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Hapa has good posts? Where? Now you're just being fucking retarded.
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On August 11 2013 04:28 geript wrote:
Hapa has good posts? Where? Now you're just being fucking retarded.
good postOn August 08 2013 06:01 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 05:34 geript wrote:
Here's the way I see it. The unlynchable claims and isn't counterclaimed that means that we're lynching in a pool of 4; it narrows the scope of who we need to look at. Assuming a townlynch D1 (scum/jester lynches are moot), if scum chooses to hit the unlynchable, then it's a 50/50 shot of winning for every team essentially.
If the unlynchable is counter claimed once, then things get dicey as it could be either scum or jester. I had a plan for this but it's moot now.
If the unlynchable was counterclaimed twice, then we have no worse than a 50/50 shot of winning.
So the plan on forcing the claim isn't worthless like Hapa said. It actually bothers me that he thought it was. I want him to respond on why he thinks the correct claim for every role would be VT regardless of their actual role. The unlynchable townie should not claim... because he can't be lynched! The only way he can die is if he gets shot, and claiming puts a direct target on his back. You want him/her to claim to make things easier, but we would actually benefit more from having discussion and no-lynching the player rather than having him/her claim and getting insta-shot Night 1. Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 05:41 geript wrote:On phagga. He looks like he's absolutely trying to get lynched. He just keeps on making these obvious non-towny sentiments in the thread. On August 08 2013 02:55 phagga wrote:
The reason I objected had to do with the fact hat I tried to figure out geripts intentions and that I think town should be kept on a need to know basis. This is a really big key for me: On August 07 2013 16:31 phagga wrote:
Ok, I have my own thoughts on this for later, but I guess it's worth a try.
I'm VT.
Which obviously means that at least one of you two is lying.
You notice that he has no interest in following through on this. He "knows" that one of Oats/me are liars. But his continuation isn't to try and pressure either Oats, myself or Hapa (when he claims). He wants to focus on talking about the plan. Summary: It looks like he's trying to be lynched aka Jester. At worst, scum trying to be the jester. Nothing about either of these posts strike me as off or even "jester like." Him disagreeing with your plan is completely reasonable (since I can't even think of a good reason for it), and him not pursuing you or oats within a couple of pages of the game.
Anyway I think Mocsta is scum. All his posts are completely contentless so far. For example, take this post: Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 22:59 Mocsta wrote:
1. phagga is rubbing me the wrong way majorly. I dont like his response to me calling him a jester, and I don't like his reasonings for withholding "information" regarding claiming.
2. I think oats is dumb for giving geript so much credit for coming up with a plan.
a. he claimed vt instantly...which usually happens in any game
b. the plan was shite and to me still doesn't make sense even with phagga attempt to expand.
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What do town want
1. Avoid lynching jester
2. Lynch scum, if too hard then lynch lynchproof
What do mafia want
1. Avoid lynching jester
2. Lynch lynchproof
3. Lynch townie
Why lynchproof first? Because it increases odds of non-jester lynch on day2.
What do jester want?
1. Ask phagga
I guess jester is like SK with balancing act. Want to keep low profile to avoid being shot, but still need to be scummy enough to be lynched. I wouldn't be surprised if jester claimed lynchproof on day2 as a last resort either.
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The problem with the plan...
Whilst its obvious to anyone claiming vt is normal play.... geript thinks it is wise to devise a plan hinging upon identifying lynchproofs...hhmmmmmmmmmm. and who wants to hit the lynchproof on day1....
Mafia does.
He calls Oats "dumb" (which is both unnecessarily inflammatory AND trusting - why is Oat's "dumb" instead of "scum"). And he seems to be calling phagga simultaneously the jester and a scum-suspect without really making it clear why he thinks either. Phagga's reaction to Mocsta calling him Jester seems absurdly irrelevant, especially when Mocsta doesn't clarify anything about it.
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On August 11 2013 04:28 geript wrote:
Hapa has good posts? Where? Now you're just being fucking retarded.
/dunked
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##unvote
##vote Oats
GTFO I'm policy lynching you from now until the end of time. Enjoy getting tunneled from now until forever.
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Blazinghand
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Vote Count
Hapa (1): Oats
Phagga (1): Mocsta
Mocsta (1): Phagga
Oats (1): Geript
Not voting (1): Hapa
5 alive, 3 to lynch. Remember, it's instant majority lynch, if a majority is hit, stop posting.
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Looks like I'm at the local Kindergarten, can someone please point me to the game of Mafia?
Jokes aside,
##unvote
I need to reevaluate my reads when I have some time.
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wtf happened over night....
Oats...grow a pair of balls.
Fact. Hapa IS 99%jester.
Out of the 4 remaining...1lynch ends game
And 3 take it to day2....
It acting as if each lynch choice is the ducking jester
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@Moc You're going to have to talk to Oats. I'm done with him.
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@Geript
Yes, Oats is being incredibly frustrating.
Hes clearly not confident, and appears to be just cycling through each player - hoping one caves under the "pressure".
Frankly, I believe this type of behavior to still townish.
If Oats is *jester*.. this 'acting' is just too much effort to set himself up for lynch... I really cant see this being the case.
If Oats is *Scum*... and he didnt read phagga as jester, he could have secured an easy mislynch.. so again, I find this unlikely.
If Oats is *scum*... and he DID read phagga as jester, the hesisitation to another read (i.e. Geript) makes sense. But, carrying this across to everyone else.. I dunno, again.. too much effort for 'acting' in my opinion.
Im reading a guy that is very unsecure/unconfident in his reads..so im sticking with townie.
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I will admit that I am a wits end dealing with him though. Its like repeatedly banging ya head against the wall, saying the same thing 3 times for it to finally click.
At this point, after what ?4 real life days? we seem to have no traction beyond 2votes on a person.
I dont know how long we can keep going at a standstill like this, and people like Hapa are non-existent; which makes the policy lynch so fuckn god damn tempting.. .cos you forget about jester.
So... right now I am at the point I would give consideration to just lynching the "lynchproof",
That way we can just go into Day2 with 4 ppl.. hopefully making the game easier to solve (especially if jester is shot).
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Blazinghand
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Vote Count
Hapa (1): Oats
Phagga (1): Mocsta
Oats (1): Geript
Not voting (2): Hapa, Phagga
5 alive, 3 to lynch. Remember, it's instant majority lynch, if a majority is hit, stop posting.
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Look. I think Oats is town. I just want to lynch him because I think he's a fucking retard and lynching him will piss him off which will make me happier than winning this game.
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Whatever. Fuck it. Play to win
##unvote
##vote Phagga
Oats go vote you dumbass.
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Blazinghand
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Vote Count
Hapa (1): Oats
Phagga (2): Mocsta, Geript
Not voting (2): Hapa, Phagga
5 alive, 3 to lynch. Remember, it's instant majority lynch, if a majority is hit, stop posting.
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Oats... so you think Hapa is town. He hasn't posted anything in at least what... 29 hours now... Just vote for Phagga already.
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Blazinghand
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Day 1 is now over. This thread is closed until Day 2 begins.
Hapahauli the Chaos Butterfly has been modkilled for inactivity!
It is now Night 1, which will last until an NK has been sent in from the scum player (possibly plus some time to obscure his/her identity). Although we could continue the day at 3-1 MYLO after the modkill, this will be the fairest method to everyone still in the game.
No posting until Day 2 starts!
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On August 11 2013 11:48 geript wrote:
Oats... so you think Hapa is town. He hasn't posted anything in at least what... 29 hours now... Just vote for Phagga already.
And if you are wrong?
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Blazinghand
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NO POSTING UNTIL DAY 2 STARTS, NOOB.
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Blazinghand
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Day 2
Oatsmaster the Sourdough is dead!
Day 2. 3 alive, 2 to lynch. gogo
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wtf... that's a super odd kill
Also Oats, you should've claimed not VT. Glad to see you go.
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Why is that an odd kill? Oats was the guy everyoneread as town.
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##vote phagga
Now you're being intentionally obtuse
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No, I'm not. When I saw the night post I was fully awaiting oats to get killed. so why is it an odd kill to you?
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Thats 2-1, GG right? Silence till mods post.
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Blazinghand
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End game
phagga the Greenhorn has been lyched!
geript the Greenhorn has been endgamed!
Moctsa the Claim Jumper is victorious!
Obs QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/xsNL59yHH56
A word of wisdom: don't lay down a vote at a LYLO in instant majority lynch unless you're absolutely sure that's who you want to lynch. If you guess wrong, scum hammers.
In any case, good game everyone, I hope you had fun with the setup! See you next time!
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Gg. Sorry phagga for the cheap vote to seal the game
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Blazinghand
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The quickhammer was the right move, Mocsta, and entirely within the spirit of the game. You were, after all, the Claim Jumper.
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I'm curious what made me scummy at the start
I felt what made me scummy at the end. Wad that I didn't give up on oats.
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I've skimmed and seen geript raged? This game must have been awesome (and guaranteed Scum win if geript gets mad as Town)
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Runs for hosting guys. Did a great job
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You did everything right, Mocsta. I failed to convince the others.
any comment on play is welcome.
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*Any comment on my play is welcome.
Also, thanks a lot for hosting! I really liked the setup.
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Apparently meta on Moc is still applicable. Interesting. I thought about devoting, but didn't care. I'm tired of dealing with oats. And yeah, the oats kill was super odd and I should've thought about it more.
I can't explain why you were scummy Moc. Just one of those things.
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On August 12 2013 08:48 Ace wrote:
I've skimmed and seen geript raged? This game must have been awesome (and guaranteed Scum win if geript gets mad as Town)
Scum didn't get me mad at all. That was all Oats being retarded. I hope he never joins a game I'm in again.
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Reading us cases. The material unearthed the right stuff... BUT I felt u over dramatized everything. So it read like OMGUS and hence wasn't taken seriously..unfortunately.
That's why I never responded to your cases.
I'm surprised I could get away with that to be honest.
I guess next time u write a case u need to push for a response.
The other thing is. I genuinely wasn't thinking about day2 and I wa sscum. So I hammered that point because it was something that was authentic to me. I guess u let me get embroiled in a war of "setup" which hapa correctly pointed out was not alignment indicative.
Tough game... Oats kept me hanging for SO SO long..
He was clearly town
Geript was town just from first post in game
That left me with hapa/phagga to push...
Hapa was jester by his second post so I was only left with phagga.
Lastly. I deliberated over the Nk a fair bit. Clearly it worked out awesome for me.. but I expected to lose.
I wanted to kill phagga.. but wasn't confident what oats would do day2.
In the end I killed oats because he was indecisive and coulda dragged the game out another 4 days. At least Geript would either vote for or against me.
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The oats kill was not odd at all. oats was the one refusing to kill me, while you were completely open to it. Of course he kills him.
Killing me was barely an option when I was an (at that point) easy misslynch, and killing you could have complicated things for Mocsta massively.
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On August 12 2013 09:30 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 08:48 Ace wrote:
I've skimmed and seen geript raged? This game must have been awesome (and guaranteed Scum win if geript gets mad as Town) Scum didn't get me mad at all. That was all Oats being retarded. I hope he never joins a game I'm in again.
damn :/
btw I thought your early post about massclaim was the correct way to go (even if it results in possibly outing confirmed Town). With only 1 NK from Scum and game over on Night 2 dropping the pool of lynchable players asap is the way I would have went too.
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On August 12 2013 09:29 geript wrote:
Apparently meta on Moc is still applicable. Interesting. I thought about devoting, but didn't care. I'm tired of dealing with oats. And yeah, the oats kill was super odd and I should've thought about it more.
I can't explain why you were scummy Moc. Just one of those things.
Yeah. Oats really pissed me off too. I was happy to lose. Just was sick of how long it all dragged out.
But yeah that's the irony..it's townue to give up and say fuck u...it's scummy to tough it out and keep trying. Lol
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Ah ok, I see Mocsta saw the situation differenty regarding the NK. As I said, I fully expected Oats to die once I saw the Jester was gone.
Yeah, I realised later that I overdid it with the case, and I had no clue how to come back. i was actually putting together another post showing stuff that you misrepresented. But while checking your filter, I suddenly saw your vote
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In the end it was probably my most frustrating game so far. I had the whole game solved, knew who was scum, but was unable to convince the other townies. I raged so hard at times in front of the computer. That's probably part of the reason why my case was so overdone, i was so angry when I wrote it.
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Btw phagga. Whilst I technically misrepresented things. It was unintentional.
In my head. The timeline if events went as I wrote.. lol.. so much wrongness
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On August 12 2013 09:39 phagga wrote:
In the end it was probably my most frustrating game so far. I had the whole game solved, knew who was scum, but was unable to convince the other townies. I raged so hard at times in front of the computer. That's probably part of the reason why my case was so overdone, i was so angry when I wrote it.
I did my job then
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On August 12 2013 09:42 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 09:39 phagga wrote:
In the end it was probably my most frustrating game so far. I had the whole game solved, knew who was scum, but was unable to convince the other townies. I raged so hard at times in front of the computer. That's probably part of the reason why my case was so overdone, i was so angry when I wrote it. I did my job then
Of course. As I said, I failed to convince the others. Although I would have wished that geript would not have ignored me so often. But I probably should have insisted stronger.
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I am the low hanging fruit
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Blazinghand
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looking for thoughts re: the setup also. I like the idea of jester+scum+2vt+unlynchable, specifically because of the possibility of unlynchable claim shenannies
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I still get the shennanies to be honest?it's only helps town as far as I could see...I'm also pretty short sighted so happy to be enlightened.
Setup wise. I liked it...it's lonely playing scum solo from start though
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Blazinghand
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Well I mean part of the hilarity is that the presence of the jester combined with the unlynchable VT means it's reasonable for scum OR jester to claim lynchproof. The best part is a 1-1-1 day 2, where both the town and scum player's optimal play is to claim scum and try to convince the jester to lynch the other guy for a joint scum+jester victory.
PS thinking just a warning for hapa. He was obviously around and interested in the game, and was trying to play low-activity jester (which failed horribly), but ultimately being forced to modkill him made the game worse. If anyone has input on this we can chat in the ban list thread.
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On August 12 2013 09:32 phagga wrote:
The oats kill was not odd at all. oats was the one refusing to kill me, while you were completely open to it. Of course he kills him.
Killing me was barely an option when I was an (at that point) easy misslynch, and killing you could have complicated things for Mocsta massively.
No you have to view it from an objective standpoint.
If I'm scum, I'm free to kill either Mocsta or Oats. Neither of which is particularly damning.
If Oats is scum, he NKs, Mocsta or myself.
If Mocsta is scum, it's 50/50 to kill you or Oats (there's no real gain to kill me).
But if Phagga is scum, he really needs to kill me as I'm far less damning to him than Mocsta.
So the situation where Oats dies and I'm town is specifically odd because its a huge Wifom risk coming from you.
More than anything else, I think your odd case strategies did you in. Nothing that you focused on was important IMO. The best points (what I quoted to Moc) were Wifom.
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Bh I had a chat to hapa and seemed innocent..I think he got the post restriction time wrong. Warning sounds fine to me
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Yah no issues w/ warning. Odd set of post restrictions.
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I get the whole best play for Nk Geript.. but I think that type of stuff is relatively easy to wifom out of..
I was considering killing phagha and then trying to get oats to lynch u..playing the whole... Scum framed me my killing phagha card
Main reason I killed oats was not because he was universal townie..but because his vote was not predictable at all.
I guess we all view the game differently.. which is what makes solving the game interesting.
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Lol Geript... I thought phagga best point was I kept saying ima townie..it was intentional
However.. the ones he quoted took the word use out of context
I'm sure there's plenty others I just used the word as sublimjnal confirmation and felt that coulda really damned me.
As for bh and the shennanies of day2.. I get that can work.. but not with the crop of players we had...ppl like Geript/oats were too townie. No way jester would believe counter claim...also the sharedwin makes the game somewhat easier in. My opinion.. in fact I was annoyed hapa died because I was banking on him for shared win con.
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On August 12 2013 11:33 Mocsta wrote:
Lol Geript... I thought phagga best point was I kept saying ima townie..it was intentional
However.. the ones he quoted took the word use out of context
I'm sure there's plenty others I just used the word as sublimjnal confirmation and felt that coulda really damned me.
That's null for me entirely. You were town for me by process of elimination. Phagga's reactions read to me as if he had to think and analyze how best to respond instead of acting instinctively (which ironically was right). It was too much that he was trying to look town instead of being town.
As for kill Wifom, that's why I ended up ignoring it. Phagga looked more like scum to me and wifoming and dragging it out wouldn't I don't think have changed the decision unless you slipped really bad.
As for the insta-claim plan, the only way it fails IMO is if there are no unlynchable claims. That line of play takes all of the pressure off scum/jester to figure out how to respond. I'm not quite sure why it wasn't obvious to Oats/phagga immediately. I still caught you by the green/horny line. Oh we'll, I could've corrected at the end.
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I do t get why that green horn line was bad though?
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It's not a bad line, but that's not how you'd put it as town. You could use that same phrase, but you'd do it differently... That's all I can explain.
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I told you mocsta was scum =/
But yeah, sorry about the modkill - I forgot that the game was on a 24 hour post rule as opposed to a 48. Needless to say I wasn't expecting to win the game, but I should have been more aware of the rules D=
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Hehe. U woulda won with me day2
Lynching phagga and then the night kill
We would outnumber town 2 to 1.
Bh is saying that's where the fun starts as town can fake claim. But I still think we had it in the bag
Anyways. Why call me out as jester?
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On August 12 2013 15:12 Mocsta wrote:Hehe. U woulda won with me day2 Lynching phagga and then the night kill We would outnumber town 2 to 1. Bh is saying that's where the fun starts as town can fake claim. But I still think we had it in the bag Anyways. Why call me out as jester?
I can't really say I had a gameplan going into this. I jumped on the first thing scummy I found in-thread, and then realized I was right when you made that phagga case. Then I just stopped pushign you... or even posting =P
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well fuck you too geript for being an asshole.
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Lol... Man mafia creates so much beef
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The reason why I didnt claim unlynchable is because I was in no danger of being lynched and claiming unlynchable wouldve meant I was shot n1 definitely so there was really no point.
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Blazinghand
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lynch proof is meaningless on day two
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On August 12 2013 16:58 Blazinghand wrote:
lynch proof is meaningless on day two
confirmed town yo.
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On August 12 2013 17:02 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 16:58 Blazinghand wrote:
lynch proof is meaningless on day two confirmed town yo.
Not if scum/jester counterclaims.
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and they would counterclaim the towniest townie day 2 for?
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U were lynchable oats based on uconstant backflipping
Can be sold as scum not wanting to hammer
If u didn't turn on the full regard switch. Then yes. U were literally unlynchable. And not just by role
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On August 12 2013 11:46 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 11:33 Mocsta wrote:
Lol Geript... I thought phagga best point was I kept saying ima townie..it was intentional
However.. the ones he quoted took the word use out of context
I'm sure there's plenty others I just used the word as sublimjnal confirmation and felt that coulda really damned me. That's null for me entirely. You were town for me by process of elimination. Phagga's reactions read to me as if he had to think and analyze how best to respond instead of acting instinctively (which ironically was right). It was too much that he was trying to look town instead of being town.
It's interesting that you perceived it like this, because I was not intentionally trying to look like town. I thought if I'm able to point out where Mocsta is having a scum mindset, you'll rethink your position on me. However, I realize by now that I presented my points completely wrong. (I still think that some of them were actually good points at the time, I just presented them awfully).
As for kill Wifom, that's why I ended up ignoring it. Phagga looked more like scum to me and wifoming and dragging it out wouldn't I don't think have changed the decision unless you slipped really bad.
As for the insta-claim plan, the only way it fails IMO is if there are no unlynchable claims. That line of play takes all of the pressure off scum/jester to figure out how to respond. I'm not quite sure why it wasn't obvious to Oats/phagga immediately. I still caught you by the green/horny line. Oh we'll, I could've corrected at the end.
My first reaction to your plan was "hey, that's a cool idea", but then I immediatly asked myself what your exact motivation was. So I asked before claiming.
Btw, it is my experience that if player A does something scummy, and player B is trying to make player A scum for that point almost the whole game, then player B is probably scum. That was one of the main reasons why I thought Mocsta was scum in the first place. He was so focused on my reaction to the plan (which might not have been ideal), completely dismissed my explanations and ignored everything else I did. That made it obvious for me that he can't be town.
I've been caught in that trap a few times, (nominations comes to mind, or wheel of fortune), and I think I recognise it pretty well by now.
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Anyways.. I liked the game cos of size but not sure I would play again
The town established themselves way too early. And when I tried to poke for reactions I the instantly called scum..only way I stayed in the game was by forcing the jester to become important..if the same 5 ppl played again. Random roles. I think it would be easy solved early day1
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On August 12 2013 17:56 Mocsta wrote:
U were lynchable oats based on uconstant backflipping
Can be sold as scum not wanting to hammer
If u didn't turn on the full regard switch. Then yes. U were literally unlynchable. And not just by role
no way geript or phagga wouldve voted for me anyway.
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Town cred only lasts for so long...guess we will never know
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On August 12 2013 09:54 Blazinghand wrote:
looking for thoughts re: the setup also. I like the idea of jester+scum+2vt+unlynchable, specifically because of the possibility of unlynchable claim shenannies
I like the setup a lot. However, a second game would probably be much more predictable/harder for scum as people would figure out faster what the optimal play for each situation is. As Mocsta said, if we'd play the game again with the exact same people, scum chances to win would be very small.
I also liked the size of the game. I dislike the recent trends of 15+ minis, so this was a nice change.
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Yup yup, setup was pretty nice, maybe have either an unlynchable or a medic.
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On August 12 2013 18:10 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 17:56 Mocsta wrote:
U were lynchable oats based on uconstant backflipping
Can be sold as scum not wanting to hammer
If u didn't turn on the full regard switch. Then yes. U were literally unlynchable. And not just by role no way geript or phagga wouldve voted for me anyway.
I would've voted you for the lulz
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