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On August 07 2013 07:07 anklebreak wrote: tossboy is themarine? this is sad. you were c- rank when i left and then 1.5 year later you're worst then you were before. i guess practice everyday back then in ued didn't help at all.
Yo anklebreak!!!! how you been man! Its me, UED_ReZuya
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thought it over, gonna pass on this season. L_Master, can you please remove me from the draft list? thanks!
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On August 07 2013 07:14 KaiGreene wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 05:16 t0ssboy wrote:On August 07 2013 05:05 L1ghtning wrote:On August 06 2013 20:54 KaiGreene wrote:On August 06 2013 19:44 ggrrg wrote:On August 06 2013 17:54 L1ghtning wrote:On August 06 2013 07:28 ggrrg wrote:On August 06 2013 06:56 tonight wrote: I wasn't joking and my high for last maybe 6years(?) has only been C-. I honestly feel I'm no better than the better players in this league. I thought this would be a good place to start playing more and practicing with people because if it's for a team that wants to win in this setting it would force me to learn new maps and practice, but if it's not going to happen I guess it's not going to happen. Even though there are already C- players in the league:[ I don't mind if you play, but if this is anything to go by, you might be somewhat better than the better players around.http://malcolmsharpe.github.io/iccup-ratings/html/leaderboard.htmledit: I take my remark back. Kaigreene is just 3 spots above you. So I guess you might actually be around the same level as the better guys around here. Now that you mentioned him, it looks like Kai have risen a lot in rank. 23-5 and 16-1 this season. That's incredibly strong, although the sample size is small. Honestly, his DRIT games looked really shaky... I perform horrible under pressure And I'm far from being too good in this league, Iccup is just really easy... If iccup is easy for you, then maybe you shouldn't play in this league. This league is meant for ppl who consistently win against red ranks around 35% of the time, maybe stretching up towards 50%. That's what it claims anyway. I know that there are other players who have performed really well on ladder, like arb, but his stats are not this strong, plus his performance in the league have not been top tier. You, on the other hand won the last DRIT, and have been a top performer in the league every single season you have played. If by saying "Iccup is just really easy..." you mean that this is the kind of winrate you typically get, then it's crystal clear that you shouldn't be playing in this league. However, if this is just a good run, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. I just want the rules to be followed. What happened to your old account? Also,not meaning to insult kai,but i don't think he is above the league's level.maybe a bit under the borderline. Lol marine, you do realise I'm better than you? And l1ghtning., I understand your point, but I've only participated in drit4 and 5 so not dominant every time I played ;p anyways, I am pretty much floating around D+ and C-n on ladder, but in tournaments Im pretty bad because of the pressure ^^ I don't...kukuk DTs.
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I am secretly better than all of you. I just choose to pretend that I lose in ridiculous fashion.
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Yea, this poll is now making me suspicious as fuck. 100 votes? There aren't even 100 players in the league, and I am quite confident not all 40 or 50 players in the league care enough to vote.
I may just have to go with the "vote in thread" option. I'll make a decision tomorrow.
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On August 07 2013 07:07 anklebreak wrote: tossboy is themarine? this is sad. you were c- rank when i left and then 1.5 year later you're worst then you were before. i guess practice everyday back then in ued didn't help at all. Sup yo,where u been?Also TheMarine is busy and quite lazy.
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Democracy shouldnt be the way we make decisions in the league anyway. Its an unacceptable precedent for the league to say a player cant leave and make a new team. Simple as that, really.
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On August 07 2013 16:30 Dazed_Spy wrote: Democracy shouldnt be the way we make decisions in the league anyway. Its an unacceptable precedent for the league to say a player cant leave and make a new team. Simple as that, really. Who said they can't? The poll's supposed to be about. Is a team allowed to split in 2 due to size. Get admins involved I say name and shame the troll voters.
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I voted no on the first poll. Didn' t support the idea from the beginning and don' t personally like how its being handled
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I voted yes in the first poll, don't have a good opinion on the second as I don't know how good tonight is.
Vote Tally: Copy and paste this with your name added and the number +1'd, then post in thread along with your vote decision. IMO. + Show Spoiler + Team split vote tally. Votes Yes (3): Birdie dazed_spy DarkNetHunter
Votes No (1): Cpt.Beefy (AtomicArchon)
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I don't really get what the problem with the team split is. It just seems that people think that it would lead to cheating? Quite frankly, if that's the general sentiment, it's pretty sad and speaks loads about the state of the league... Why can't you just give them the benefit of the doubt and, you know, play? If some wonky business DOES happen (not saying that it would), I believe that L_Master would be able to make an adequate decision and that's that.
As for tonight, I'm not really familiar with him as a player, but after reading a bit around the thread, it seems that he's "good" enough to play in the league.
With that said, can't wait for Friday
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On August 07 2013 05:16 t0ssboy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 05:05 L1ghtning wrote:On August 06 2013 20:54 KaiGreene wrote:On August 06 2013 19:44 ggrrg wrote:On August 06 2013 17:54 L1ghtning wrote:On August 06 2013 07:28 ggrrg wrote:On August 06 2013 06:56 tonight wrote: I wasn't joking and my high for last maybe 6years(?) has only been C-. I honestly feel I'm no better than the better players in this league. I thought this would be a good place to start playing more and practicing with people because if it's for a team that wants to win in this setting it would force me to learn new maps and practice, but if it's not going to happen I guess it's not going to happen. Even though there are already C- players in the league:[ I don't mind if you play, but if this is anything to go by, you might be somewhat better than the better players around.http://malcolmsharpe.github.io/iccup-ratings/html/leaderboard.htmledit: I take my remark back. Kaigreene is just 3 spots above you. So I guess you might actually be around the same level as the better guys around here. Now that you mentioned him, it looks like Kai have risen a lot in rank. 23-5 and 16-1 this season. That's incredibly strong, although the sample size is small. Honestly, his DRIT games looked really shaky... I perform horrible under pressure And I'm far from being too good in this league, Iccup is just really easy... If iccup is easy for you, then maybe you shouldn't play in this league. This league is meant for ppl who consistently win against red ranks around 35% of the time, maybe stretching up towards 50%. That's what it claims anyway. I know that there are other players who have performed really well on ladder, like arb, but his stats are not this strong, plus his performance in the league have not been top tier. You, on the other hand won the last DRIT, and have been a top performer in the league every single season you have played. If by saying "Iccup is just really easy..." you mean that this is the kind of winrate you typically get, then it's crystal clear that you shouldn't be playing in this league. However, if this is just a good run, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. I just want the rules to be followed. What happened to your old account? Also,not meaning to insult kai,but i don't think he is above the league's level.maybe a bit under the borderline. I wanted to change nickname so I had the same nick on TL as on iccup, so it would be easier (especially for new players) to identify me. I have too many posts on ninini to change my nick, so I had to create a new account.
On August 07 2013 07:14 KaiGreene wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 05:16 t0ssboy wrote:On August 07 2013 05:05 L1ghtning wrote:On August 06 2013 20:54 KaiGreene wrote:On August 06 2013 19:44 ggrrg wrote:On August 06 2013 17:54 L1ghtning wrote:On August 06 2013 07:28 ggrrg wrote:On August 06 2013 06:56 tonight wrote: I wasn't joking and my high for last maybe 6years(?) has only been C-. I honestly feel I'm no better than the better players in this league. I thought this would be a good place to start playing more and practicing with people because if it's for a team that wants to win in this setting it would force me to learn new maps and practice, but if it's not going to happen I guess it's not going to happen. Even though there are already C- players in the league:[ I don't mind if you play, but if this is anything to go by, you might be somewhat better than the better players around.http://malcolmsharpe.github.io/iccup-ratings/html/leaderboard.htmledit: I take my remark back. Kaigreene is just 3 spots above you. So I guess you might actually be around the same level as the better guys around here. Now that you mentioned him, it looks like Kai have risen a lot in rank. 23-5 and 16-1 this season. That's incredibly strong, although the sample size is small. Honestly, his DRIT games looked really shaky... I perform horrible under pressure And I'm far from being too good in this league, Iccup is just really easy... If iccup is easy for you, then maybe you shouldn't play in this league. This league is meant for ppl who consistently win against red ranks around 35% of the time, maybe stretching up towards 50%. That's what it claims anyway. I know that there are other players who have performed really well on ladder, like arb, but his stats are not this strong, plus his performance in the league have not been top tier. You, on the other hand won the last DRIT, and have been a top performer in the league every single season you have played. If by saying "Iccup is just really easy..." you mean that this is the kind of winrate you typically get, then it's crystal clear that you shouldn't be playing in this league. However, if this is just a good run, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. I just want the rules to be followed. What happened to your old account? Also,not meaning to insult kai,but i don't think he is above the league's level.maybe a bit under the borderline. Lol marine, you do realise I'm better than you? And l1ghtning., I understand your point, but I've only participated in drit4 and 5 so not dominant every time I played ;p anyways, I am pretty much floating around D+ and C-n on ladder, but in tournaments Im pretty bad because of the pressure ^^ I don't see the point in comparing yourself with other top players in the league, as there are many players whose peak rank is fairly unknown, and if we freeze all the players in this league and move forward 2 years, then several players will probably be well into the C ranks. My point is that the skill levels of all top players needs to be re-evaluated regularly, and compared with outsiders, to make sure that this stays as a D rank league. That's why we need to look at iccup ladder results. This is not about removing players who are too op, it's about making sure that the league follows its own rules. If you can consistently put out those numbers on iccup, then you shouldn't be playing here, but if you can't, you might/might not be in the skill range for this league, it depends on how great of a difference we're talking about. TheMarine[BG], with 140 games over 3 seasons and a 55% winrate is a good example of the upper range. Anyone who consistently performs better than that shouldn't play here, not according to me, but according to the rules. Obviously you can't just look at winrates, but if there's not enough games for a player to reach his peak rank, it's a good place to start.
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Basically as L1ghtning said, players that have been in these leagues for awhile are bound to improve to the point of C-/C. I definitely think people like the captains should all get together and firmly decide on whether certain players are right for the league, regardless of supposedly "flawed" iCCup ranking or TrueSkill.
Yes, it will hurt the league to take some of the strongest players out, if need be, even if they are the most active, but just for the sake of keeping the league active, should we extend the league to D-/D/D+/C-/C leagues?
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On August 08 2013 01:33 SynC[gm] wrote: Basically as L1ghtning said, players that have been in these leagues for awhile are bound to improve to the point of C-/C. I definitely think people like the captains should all get together and firmly decide on whether certain players are right for the league, regardless of supposedly "flawed" iCCup ranking or TrueSkill.
Yes, it will hurt the league to take some of the strongest players out, if need be, even if they are the most active, but just for the sake of keeping the league active, should we extend the league to D-/D/D+/C-/C leagues?
I am not aware about all players, but at least from watching the DRIT games, I honestly doubt that there is anyone who could reach C without any kind of abuse like only playing against D-opponents. On the other hand, I feel like there are tons of people who can, more or less easily, reach C-...
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I vote NO Thx
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also, xkcd/pebble - sign me up as
matchups - v v v
thank ya
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On August 08 2013 03:11 ImAtTheBeacH wrote:also, xkcd/pebble - sign me up as matchups - v v v thank ya Just pulling out all the matchups huh.
I vote yes on team split and yes on Tonight.
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On August 08 2013 01:33 SynC[gm] wrote: Basically as L1ghtning said, players that have been in these leagues for awhile are bound to improve to the point of C-/C. I definitely think people like the captains should all get together and firmly decide on whether certain players are right for the league, regardless of supposedly "flawed" iCCup ranking or TrueSkill.
Yes, it will hurt the league to take some of the strongest players out, if need be, even if they are the most active, but just for the sake of keeping the league active, should we extend the league to D-/D/D+/C-/C leagues? Yes, we should do that. Its pointless to go down on your sword just to 'follow the rules', something we can change at the drop of a hat. Regardless, most of Kais records are against d players. I never drop games to D players, it doesnt make him beyond the threshold of the league.
Edit: I vote YES on splitting the teams.
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Yea, no fucking way this poll can be a true reflection.
I'll give people 5 days to vote in the thread if they have an opinion. If this is drastically different than the poll I will take that into consideration.
So, if you have an opinion on a team splitting you need to post here in the thread with a vote of yes or no
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I say YES we can split teams!
It doesnt matter how their players want to have playtime, i will still have fun. It doesnt matter how they cheat to get more money, i will still get it all.
im greenelve
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