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IMPORTANT POLL CONCERNING NEW TEAMS/sB
Consider the whole issue and precedent, but also to be clear a vote of "yes" means sB splitting is ok, "no" means it is not.
Poll: Should a team be allowed to split in half into two teams?Yes (53) 51% No (51) 49% 104 total votes Your vote: Should a team be allowed to split in half into two teams? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
On August 06 2013 06:37 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2013 06:25 L_Master wrote:On August 06 2013 06:19 Sentenal wrote:Which Birdie are you talking to? On August 01 2013 21:11 Birdie wrote:On August 01 2013 20:56 pebble444 wrote:
Birdie, i' m sorry to say your approach here is wrong. To recruite other player IS part of managing/running a team. If you are recruiting players for them, thats not a good start at all. As Lmaster said, running a team is okay if done by others. Running means also in my experience recruiting players. If you are recruiting the players, during the league these players will see you no matter what as some kind of reference. I saw the LOL posts, but lol is a different game, tuned in to a stream once didn' t understand anything remided me of warcraft 3 (which i believe it comes from). This situation is going to cause harm to the league. Mark my words. If you really want this to work, my advice is let Arca/marine deal with recruiting, let them decide which players your going to be splitting. Maybe you are doing things like this already, anyway sometimes it is best to do nothing at all and let others in order to make things happen in the best of ways.
As I said before, the team that Arca and TheMarine are going to run is already essentially complete; but for the split to go ahead, sB that I'm running needs a couple more players. If we can't find any more then the split won't happen. Right now Arca and TheMarine are not captains of any team, I'm captain of around 11 players. If I find 3 more people to join my team then I will request for Arca and TheMarine to leave along with 5 other players, to form their own team for the duration of this league. Then there will be their team and my team. Right now, there is only my team, and I am recruiting for them, and I am allowed to recruit as many as I want for them. I 'm not recruiting them for Arca/Marine's team, I'm recruiting them for my team, Team Stealth Bunnies. What's going to happen is a team SPLIT, not arca/marine leaving to form a new team per se. It'll be half of an old team forming a new team, not two players forming a new team. They will be their own team, don't get me wrong, they're running it not me (gl with that guys ;D). Until the team is split, I'm in charge. That certainly does change the read some Did not realize the split would be taking so many sB members to the new team. Perhaps what Birdie meant by new recruits is these people he is trying to recruit now between seasons who have essentially never played on sB would be the ones going to the new team. Arca and the Marine taking a bunch of new guys Birdie grabbed in the last week is indeed a little different than them taking say Icedraco, Taeyoon, and another random guy or three. EDIT: I think the poll is still correct though, as the wording explains that a yes vote means ok with sB splitting. If you don't think it is clear enough, feel free to suggest an alternate wording and I could restart it. According to what he said, he isn't going to send the new members to TheMarine's team. Hes going to do it volunteerily. The players he is recruiting right now are for his Stealth Bunnies. Additionally, the players he is recruiting right now are friends and practice partners of his. TBH, I think the poll should just get remade. You have the caption above it, the poll question itself doesn't say anything about that, and some people just don't read everything. The poll question doesn't reflect the situation or what Birdie is wanting to do. If I were to reword it, I would say "Should a team be allowed to split in half into two teams?"
Done.
Beefy, if you wouldn't mind editing out your posts quoting my poll so that people won't be dumb and vote in the quoted poll that would be awesome 
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I wasn't joking and my high for last maybe 6years(?) has only been C-. I honestly feel I'm no better than the better players in this league. I thought this would be a good place to start playing more and practicing with people because if it's for a team that wants to win in this setting it would force me to learn new maps and practice, but if it's not going to happen I guess it's not going to happen. Even though there are already C- players in the league:[
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On August 06 2013 06:56 tonight wrote:
I wasn't joking and my high for last maybe 6years(?) has only been C-. I honestly feel I'm no better than the better players in this league. I thought this would be a good place to start playing more and practicing with people because if it's for a team that wants to win in this setting it would force me to learn new maps and practice, but if it's not going to happen I guess it's not going to happen. Even though there are already C- players in the league:[
Well, when I see sMi tag and then look and see 25-9 record for this season that definitely look suspicious, like a player that can probably hold C- (obv it's garbage ICC ranking but it does look alarming), when general precedent has been that players that hit C-, but don't hold it, are the top limit.
I suppose again the best way to go is to do what others have done and make a poll for yourself about whether you should be allowed to play. I always allow players in if the poll favors it.
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On August 06 2013 06:25 L_Master wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2013 06:19 Sentenal wrote:Which Birdie are you talking to? On August 01 2013 21:11 Birdie wrote:On August 01 2013 20:56 pebble444 wrote:
Birdie, i' m sorry to say your approach here is wrong. To recruite other player IS part of managing/running a team. If you are recruiting players for them, thats not a good start at all. As Lmaster said, running a team is okay if done by others. Running means also in my experience recruiting players. If you are recruiting the players, during the league these players will see you no matter what as some kind of reference. I saw the LOL posts, but lol is a different game, tuned in to a stream once didn' t understand anything remided me of warcraft 3 (which i believe it comes from). This situation is going to cause harm to the league. Mark my words. If you really want this to work, my advice is let Arca/marine deal with recruiting, let them decide which players your going to be splitting. Maybe you are doing things like this already, anyway sometimes it is best to do nothing at all and let others in order to make things happen in the best of ways.
As I said before, the team that Arca and TheMarine are going to run is already essentially complete; but for the split to go ahead, sB that I'm running needs a couple more players. If we can't find any more then the split won't happen. Right now Arca and TheMarine are not captains of any team, I'm captain of around 11 players. If I find 3 more people to join my team then I will request for Arca and TheMarine to leave along with 5 other players, to form their own team for the duration of this league. Then there will be their team and my team. Right now, there is only my team, and I am recruiting for them, and I am allowed to recruit as many as I want for them. I 'm not recruiting them for Arca/Marine's team, I'm recruiting them for my team, Team Stealth Bunnies. What's going to happen is a team SPLIT, not arca/marine leaving to form a new team per se. It'll be half of an old team forming a new team, not two players forming a new team. They will be their own team, don't get me wrong, they're running it not me (gl with that guys ;D). Until the team is split, I'm in charge. That certainly does change the read some Did not realize the split would be taking so many sB members to the new team. Perhaps what Birdie meant by new recruits is these people he is trying to recruit now between seasons who have essentially never played on sB would be the ones going to the new team. Arca and the Marine taking a bunch of new guys Birdie grabbed in the last week is indeed a little different than them taking say Icedraco, Taeyoon, and another random guy or three. EDIT: I think the poll is still correct though, as the wording explains that a yes vote means ok with sB splitting. If you don't think it is clear enough, feel free to suggest an alternate wording and I could restart it.
The sB players that would go to the new team are all new members that have joined in the last month or less, except Arca and TheMarine of course.
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On August 06 2013 06:56 tonight wrote:
I wasn't joking and my high for last maybe 6years(?) has only been C-. I honestly feel I'm no better than the better players in this league. I thought this would be a good place to start playing more and practicing with people because if it's for a team that wants to win in this setting it would force me to learn new maps and practice, but if it's not going to happen I guess it's not going to happen. Even though there are already C- players in the league:[
I don't mind if you play, but if this is anything to go by, you might be somewhat better than the better players around.
http://malcolmsharpe.github.io/iccup-ratings/html/leaderboard.html
edit: I take my remark back. Kaigreene is just 3 spots above you. So I guess you might actually be around the same level as the better guys around here.
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On August 06 2013 07:28 ggrrg wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2013 06:56 tonight wrote:
I wasn't joking and my high for last maybe 6years(?) has only been C-. I honestly feel I'm no better than the better players in this league. I thought this would be a good place to start playing more and practicing with people because if it's for a team that wants to win in this setting it would force me to learn new maps and practice, but if it's not going to happen I guess it's not going to happen. Even though there are already C- players in the league:[ I don't mind if you play, but if this is anything to go by, you might be somewhat better than the better players around. http://malcolmsharpe.github.io/iccup-ratings/html/leaderboard.html
I'm not really sure what that means, haha. Yeah, if someone wants to make a poll and if people think I'm too good to play then that's fine. I just know that I still lose to people in Courage quite often and my PvZ is garbage:[
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Poll: Should tonight be allowed to play?Yes (34) 60% No (23) 40% 57 total votes Your vote: Should tonight be allowed to play? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
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On August 06 2013 07:28 Birdie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2013 06:25 L_Master wrote:On August 06 2013 06:19 Sentenal wrote:Which Birdie are you talking to? On August 01 2013 21:11 Birdie wrote:On August 01 2013 20:56 pebble444 wrote:
Birdie, i' m sorry to say your approach here is wrong. To recruite other player IS part of managing/running a team. If you are recruiting players for them, thats not a good start at all. As Lmaster said, running a team is okay if done by others. Running means also in my experience recruiting players. If you are recruiting the players, during the league these players will see you no matter what as some kind of reference. I saw the LOL posts, but lol is a different game, tuned in to a stream once didn' t understand anything remided me of warcraft 3 (which i believe it comes from). This situation is going to cause harm to the league. Mark my words. If you really want this to work, my advice is let Arca/marine deal with recruiting, let them decide which players your going to be splitting. Maybe you are doing things like this already, anyway sometimes it is best to do nothing at all and let others in order to make things happen in the best of ways.
As I said before, the team that Arca and TheMarine are going to run is already essentially complete; but for the split to go ahead, sB that I'm running needs a couple more players. If we can't find any more then the split won't happen. Right now Arca and TheMarine are not captains of any team, I'm captain of around 11 players. If I find 3 more people to join my team then I will request for Arca and TheMarine to leave along with 5 other players, to form their own team for the duration of this league. Then there will be their team and my team. Right now, there is only my team, and I am recruiting for them, and I am allowed to recruit as many as I want for them. I 'm not recruiting them for Arca/Marine's team, I'm recruiting them for my team, Team Stealth Bunnies. What's going to happen is a team SPLIT, not arca/marine leaving to form a new team per se. It'll be half of an old team forming a new team, not two players forming a new team. They will be their own team, don't get me wrong, they're running it not me (gl with that guys ;D). Until the team is split, I'm in charge. That certainly does change the read some Did not realize the split would be taking so many sB members to the new team. Perhaps what Birdie meant by new recruits is these people he is trying to recruit now between seasons who have essentially never played on sB would be the ones going to the new team. Arca and the Marine taking a bunch of new guys Birdie grabbed in the last week is indeed a little different than them taking say Icedraco, Taeyoon, and another random guy or three. EDIT: I think the poll is still correct though, as the wording explains that a yes vote means ok with sB splitting. If you don't think it is clear enough, feel free to suggest an alternate wording and I could restart it. The sB players that would go to the new team are all new members that have joined in the last month or less, except Arca and TheMarine of course.
Just to be clear, you won't be asking players to voluntarily leave like you had previously said, but instead will be deciding who will play on the new team from the new players (your friends and practice partners) you recruited?
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On August 06 2013 07:53 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2013 07:28 Birdie wrote:On August 06 2013 06:25 L_Master wrote:On August 06 2013 06:19 Sentenal wrote:Which Birdie are you talking to? On August 01 2013 21:11 Birdie wrote:On August 01 2013 20:56 pebble444 wrote:
Birdie, i' m sorry to say your approach here is wrong. To recruite other player IS part of managing/running a team. If you are recruiting players for them, thats not a good start at all. As Lmaster said, running a team is okay if done by others. Running means also in my experience recruiting players. If you are recruiting the players, during the league these players will see you no matter what as some kind of reference. I saw the LOL posts, but lol is a different game, tuned in to a stream once didn' t understand anything remided me of warcraft 3 (which i believe it comes from). This situation is going to cause harm to the league. Mark my words. If you really want this to work, my advice is let Arca/marine deal with recruiting, let them decide which players your going to be splitting. Maybe you are doing things like this already, anyway sometimes it is best to do nothing at all and let others in order to make things happen in the best of ways.
As I said before, the team that Arca and TheMarine are going to run is already essentially complete; but for the split to go ahead, sB that I'm running needs a couple more players. If we can't find any more then the split won't happen. Right now Arca and TheMarine are not captains of any team, I'm captain of around 11 players. If I find 3 more people to join my team then I will request for Arca and TheMarine to leave along with 5 other players, to form their own team for the duration of this league. Then there will be their team and my team. Right now, there is only my team, and I am recruiting for them, and I am allowed to recruit as many as I want for them. I 'm not recruiting them for Arca/Marine's team, I'm recruiting them for my team, Team Stealth Bunnies. What's going to happen is a team SPLIT, not arca/marine leaving to form a new team per se. It'll be half of an old team forming a new team, not two players forming a new team. They will be their own team, don't get me wrong, they're running it not me (gl with that guys ;D). Until the team is split, I'm in charge. That certainly does change the read some Did not realize the split would be taking so many sB members to the new team. Perhaps what Birdie meant by new recruits is these people he is trying to recruit now between seasons who have essentially never played on sB would be the ones going to the new team. Arca and the Marine taking a bunch of new guys Birdie grabbed in the last week is indeed a little different than them taking say Icedraco, Taeyoon, and another random guy or three. EDIT: I think the poll is still correct though, as the wording explains that a yes vote means ok with sB splitting. If you don't think it is clear enough, feel free to suggest an alternate wording and I could restart it. The sB players that would go to the new team are all new members that have joined in the last month or less, except Arca and TheMarine of course. Just to be clear, you won't be asking players to voluntarily leave like you had previously said, but instead will be deciding who will play on the new team from the new players (your friends and practice partners) you recruited?
Of the new players, I'm asking them if they're willing to leave or not, if they say no then they're more than welcome to stay on sB. So I am asking them to voluntarily leave.
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On August 06 2013 07:36 tonight wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2013 07:28 ggrrg wrote:On August 06 2013 06:56 tonight wrote:
I wasn't joking and my high for last maybe 6years(?) has only been C-. I honestly feel I'm no better than the better players in this league. I thought this would be a good place to start playing more and practicing with people because if it's for a team that wants to win in this setting it would force me to learn new maps and practice, but if it's not going to happen I guess it's not going to happen. Even though there are already C- players in the league:[ I don't mind if you play, but if this is anything to go by, you might be somewhat better than the better players around. http://malcolmsharpe.github.io/iccup-ratings/html/leaderboard.html I'm not really sure what that means, haha. Yeah, if someone wants to make a poll and if people think I'm too good to play then that's fine. I just know that I still lose to people in Courage quite often and my PvZ is garbage:[
It's supposed to be some kind of ranking that shows the actual skill of the players. (No idea how it does this)
Anyway, as I edited my post above, you seem to be around the acceptable level of this league.
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On August 06 2013 07:56 ggrrg wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2013 07:36 tonight wrote:On August 06 2013 07:28 ggrrg wrote:On August 06 2013 06:56 tonight wrote:
I wasn't joking and my high for last maybe 6years(?) has only been C-. I honestly feel I'm no better than the better players in this league. I thought this would be a good place to start playing more and practicing with people because if it's for a team that wants to win in this setting it would force me to learn new maps and practice, but if it's not going to happen I guess it's not going to happen. Even though there are already C- players in the league:[ I don't mind if you play, but if this is anything to go by, you might be somewhat better than the better players around. http://malcolmsharpe.github.io/iccup-ratings/html/leaderboard.html I'm not really sure what that means, haha. Yeah, if someone wants to make a poll and if people think I'm too good to play then that's fine. I just know that I still lose to people in Courage quite often and my PvZ is garbage:[ It's supposed to be some kind of ranking that shows the actual skill of the players. (No idea how it does this) Anyway, as I edited my post above, you seem to be around the acceptable level of this league.
I hope the poll agrees with you
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This public polling is stupid because anyone on Teamliquid can vote on it, with whatever alternate accounts they have, its just bs.
I think the only fair way is to have public voting, ie post rather than anonymous voting for both the Sb. team split and for tonight being able to play.
I'm voting Yes to SB being able to split
I'm also voting Yes to tonight being able to play.
Edit: to clarify, I have no reason to believe Birdie or anyone on SB. is trying to cheat, not to mention no one is taking into account that they're weakening their own team if they split up some of their better players. So no matter how them throwing games could influence playoffs, has anyone considered that neither SB will make it to playoffs? I think a lot of people here forget that Birdie went through the trouble of uncovering all of Babo's shenanigans in CRTL, this isn' Babo and his cronnies, its freaking Birdie Arca and TheMarine, they're just trying to give a bunch of D Rankers a bit more exposure and play time, which this league is about after all.
Telling him to stop recruiting is moronic, this league needs more players and especially newer players to get involved, I've only played in this one season and I can already see it growing stagnant if it continues without influx of new blood.
As for tonight being able to play, play a few games with him and tell me he's out of this league, this league is already completely borderline C- at the upper end. He's just looking to play some BW games and with no other option currently available to him I think its stupid to exclude him because of an "artificial" upper limit that we're breaking the rules on anyway.
If we're not going to let tonight play, I'd say we should have everyone who got to DRIT6 ro16 retire from D Ranks as well.
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In reply to that, I do believe teams should be able to split and form as they wish, binding players to teams seems incredibly limiting to me. From what I gathered about the discussion most people had a problem with Sb. specifically doing this, rather than teams splitting up in general.
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I do agree that polls can be rigged via TL randoms in either direction, especially since this one seems pretty close atm.
DNH, to be clear, you are not just voting for sB being able to split, you are also voting to start the precedent that any team in the future will be able to do so. If you still believe a league should allow that, that's fine, but I think it's short-sighted and misleading to specify sB because this issue is about setting a precedent, not about Birdie specifically; therefore, your comments about him are meaningless in terms of the question at hand.
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Poll Voting is polling voting. This is teamliquid not the UN. However, I voted no for 1st. For the principal of it. Recruit if your team needs it, but dont hover ppl you know could be good for the league. Dunno tonight.
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On August 06 2013 10:14 Cpt.beefy wrote:
but dont hover ppl you know could be good for the league.
Can you make this a little more clear, please?
If you mean that I shouldn't "hold" players that could be good for the league, as I said before these are people that I know, who wouldn't join other teams (for the most part) and hadn't signed up for the league and wouldn't have otherwise. If they don't join sB then they probably wouldn't join any other team, so the league would be worse off not better. Your argument doesn't make any sense.
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On August 06 2013 10:36 Birdie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2013 10:14 Cpt.beefy wrote:
but dont hover ppl you know could be good for the league. Can you make this a little more clear, please? If you mean that I shouldn't "hold" players that could be good for the league, as I said before these are people that I know, who wouldn't join other teams (for the most part) and hadn't signed up for the league and wouldn't have otherwise. If they don't join sB then they probably wouldn't join any other team, so the league would be worse off not better. Your argument doesn't make any sense.
His grammar doesn't make sense half the time. But I guess in his defense, he probably types on a phone most of the time.
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holy crap 10 and 10 I figured it would be close, but not THAT close
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On August 06 2013 10:36 Birdie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2013 10:14 Cpt.beefy wrote:
but dont hover ppl you know could be good for the league. Can you make this a little more clear, please? If you mean that I shouldn't "hold" players that could be good for the league, as I said before these are people that I know, who wouldn't join other teams (for the most part) and hadn't signed up for the league and wouldn't have otherwise. If they don't join sB then they probably wouldn't join any other team, so the league would be worse off not better. Your argument doesn't make any sense.
If you have nothing do with running the new sB team, then why are your new people okay with playing for that team, but not any others?
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On August 06 2013 11:12 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2013 10:36 Birdie wrote:On August 06 2013 10:14 Cpt.beefy wrote:
but dont hover ppl you know could be good for the league. Can you make this a little more clear, please? If you mean that I shouldn't "hold" players that could be good for the league, as I said before these are people that I know, who wouldn't join other teams (for the most part) and hadn't signed up for the league and wouldn't have otherwise. If they don't join sB then they probably wouldn't join any other team, so the league would be worse off not better. Your argument doesn't make any sense. If you have nothing do with running the new sB team, then why are your new people okay with playing for that team, but not any others?
Because I asked nicely and they know me.
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