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KaiGreene
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
233 Posts
August 06 2013 22:14 GMT
#421
On August 07 2013 07:07 anklebreak wrote:
tossboy is themarine? this is sad. you were c- rank when i left and then 1.5 year later you're worst then you were before. i guess practice everyday back then in ued didn't help at all.


Yo anklebreak!!!! how you been man! Its me, UED_ReZuya
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
August 06 2013 22:30 GMT
#422
thought it over, gonna pass on this season. L_Master, can you please remove me from the draft list? thanks!
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
t0ssboy
Profile Joined August 2011
Bulgaria681 Posts
August 07 2013 06:29 GMT
#423
On August 07 2013 07:14 KaiGreene wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2013 05:16 t0ssboy wrote:
On August 07 2013 05:05 L1ghtning wrote:
On August 06 2013 20:54 KaiGreene wrote:
On August 06 2013 19:44 ggrrg wrote:
On August 06 2013 17:54 L1ghtning wrote:
On August 06 2013 07:28 ggrrg wrote:
On August 06 2013 06:56 tonight wrote:
I wasn't joking and my high for last maybe 6years(?) has only been C-. I honestly feel I'm no better than the better players in this league. I thought this would be a good place to start playing more and practicing with people because if it's for a team that wants to win in this setting it would force me to learn new maps and practice, but if it's not going to happen I guess it's not going to happen. Even though there are already C- players in the league:[


I don't mind if you play, but if this is anything to go by, you might be somewhat better than the better players around.

http://malcolmsharpe.github.io/iccup-ratings/html/leaderboard.html

edit: I take my remark back. Kaigreene is just 3 spots above you. So I guess you might actually be around the same level as the better guys around here.

Now that you mentioned him, it looks like Kai have risen a lot in rank. 23-5 and 16-1 this season. That's incredibly strong, although the sample size is small.


Honestly, his DRIT games looked really shaky...


I perform horrible under pressure

And I'm far from being too good in this league, Iccup is just really easy...

If iccup is easy for you, then maybe you shouldn't play in this league. This league is meant for ppl who consistently win against red ranks around 35% of the time, maybe stretching up towards 50%. That's what it claims anyway. I know that there are other players who have performed really well on ladder, like arb, but his stats are not this strong, plus his performance in the league have not been top tier. You, on the other hand won the last DRIT, and have been a top performer in the league every single season you have played. If by saying "Iccup is just really easy..." you mean that this is the kind of winrate you typically get, then it's crystal clear that you shouldn't be playing in this league. However, if this is just a good run, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

I just want the rules to be followed.

What happened to your old account?
Also,not meaning to insult kai,but i don't think he is above the league's level.maybe a bit under the borderline.


Lol marine, you do realise I'm better than you?

And l1ghtning., I understand your point, but I've only participated in drit4 and 5 so not dominant every time I played ;p anyways, I am pretty much floating around D+ and C-n on ladder, but in tournaments Im pretty bad because of the pressure ^^

I don't...kukuk DTs.
Courage is doing what you are afraid to do.There can be no courage if there is no fear.
SynC[gm]
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States3127 Posts
August 07 2013 06:34 GMT
#424
I am secretly better than all of you. I just choose to pretend that I lose in ridiculous fashion.
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L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
August 07 2013 06:34 GMT
#425
Yea, this poll is now making me suspicious as fuck. 100 votes? There aren't even 100 players in the league, and I am quite confident not all 40 or 50 players in the league care enough to vote.

I may just have to go with the "vote in thread" option. I'll make a decision tomorrow.
EffOrt and Soulkey Hwaiting!
t0ssboy
Profile Joined August 2011
Bulgaria681 Posts
August 07 2013 06:34 GMT
#426
On August 07 2013 07:07 anklebreak wrote:
tossboy is themarine? this is sad. you were c- rank when i left and then 1.5 year later you're worst then you were before. i guess practice everyday back then in ued didn't help at all.

Sup yo,where u been?Also TheMarine is busy and quite lazy.
Courage is doing what you are afraid to do.There can be no courage if there is no fear.
Dazed.
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3301 Posts
August 07 2013 07:30 GMT
#427
Democracy shouldnt be the way we make decisions in the league anyway. Its an unacceptable precedent for the league to say a player cant leave and make a new team. Simple as that, really.
Never say Die! ||| Fight you? No, I want to kill you.
Cpt.beefy
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Ireland799 Posts
August 07 2013 08:17 GMT
#428
On August 07 2013 16:30 Dazed_Spy wrote:
Democracy shouldnt be the way we make decisions in the league anyway. Its an unacceptable precedent for the league to say a player cant leave and make a new team. Simple as that, really.

Who said they can't? The poll's supposed to be about. Is a team allowed to split in 2 due to size. Get admins involved I say name and shame the troll voters.
Our Beloved Geoff "inControl" Robinson.
pebble444
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Italy2498 Posts
August 07 2013 09:25 GMT
#429
I voted no on the first poll. Didn' t support the idea from the beginning and don' t personally like how its being handled
"Awaken my Child, and embrace the Glory that is your Birthright"
Birdie
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
New Zealand4438 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-07 09:43:23
August 07 2013 09:34 GMT
#430
I voted yes in the first poll, don't have a good opinion on the second as I don't know how good tonight is.

Vote Tally: Copy and paste this with your name added and the number +1'd, then post in thread along with your vote decision. IMO.
+ Show Spoiler +

Team split vote tally.
Votes Yes (3):
Birdie
dazed_spy
DarkNetHunter

Votes No (1):
Cpt.Beefy (AtomicArchon)
Red classic | A butterfly dreamed he was Zhuangzi | 4.5k, heading to 5k as support!
Nikon
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bulgaria5710 Posts
August 07 2013 10:28 GMT
#431
I don't really get what the problem with the team split is. It just seems that people think that it would lead to cheating? Quite frankly, if that's the general sentiment, it's pretty sad and speaks loads about the state of the league... Why can't you just give them the benefit of the doubt and, you know, play? If some wonky business DOES happen (not saying that it would), I believe that L_Master would be able to make an adequate decision and that's that.

As for tonight, I'm not really familiar with him as a player, but after reading a bit around the thread, it seems that he's "good" enough to play in the league.

With that said, can't wait for Friday
L1ghtning
Profile Joined July 2013
Sweden353 Posts
August 07 2013 15:12 GMT
#432
On August 07 2013 05:16 t0ssboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2013 05:05 L1ghtning wrote:
On August 06 2013 20:54 KaiGreene wrote:
On August 06 2013 19:44 ggrrg wrote:
On August 06 2013 17:54 L1ghtning wrote:
On August 06 2013 07:28 ggrrg wrote:
On August 06 2013 06:56 tonight wrote:
I wasn't joking and my high for last maybe 6years(?) has only been C-. I honestly feel I'm no better than the better players in this league. I thought this would be a good place to start playing more and practicing with people because if it's for a team that wants to win in this setting it would force me to learn new maps and practice, but if it's not going to happen I guess it's not going to happen. Even though there are already C- players in the league:[


I don't mind if you play, but if this is anything to go by, you might be somewhat better than the better players around.

http://malcolmsharpe.github.io/iccup-ratings/html/leaderboard.html

edit: I take my remark back. Kaigreene is just 3 spots above you. So I guess you might actually be around the same level as the better guys around here.

Now that you mentioned him, it looks like Kai have risen a lot in rank. 23-5 and 16-1 this season. That's incredibly strong, although the sample size is small.


Honestly, his DRIT games looked really shaky...


I perform horrible under pressure

And I'm far from being too good in this league, Iccup is just really easy...

If iccup is easy for you, then maybe you shouldn't play in this league. This league is meant for ppl who consistently win against red ranks around 35% of the time, maybe stretching up towards 50%. That's what it claims anyway. I know that there are other players who have performed really well on ladder, like arb, but his stats are not this strong, plus his performance in the league have not been top tier. You, on the other hand won the last DRIT, and have been a top performer in the league every single season you have played. If by saying "Iccup is just really easy..." you mean that this is the kind of winrate you typically get, then it's crystal clear that you shouldn't be playing in this league. However, if this is just a good run, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

I just want the rules to be followed.

What happened to your old account?
Also,not meaning to insult kai,but i don't think he is above the league's level.maybe a bit under the borderline.

I wanted to change nickname so I had the same nick on TL as on iccup, so it would be easier (especially for new players) to identify me. I have too many posts on ninini to change my nick, so I had to create a new account.

On August 07 2013 07:14 KaiGreene wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2013 05:16 t0ssboy wrote:
On August 07 2013 05:05 L1ghtning wrote:
On August 06 2013 20:54 KaiGreene wrote:
On August 06 2013 19:44 ggrrg wrote:
On August 06 2013 17:54 L1ghtning wrote:
On August 06 2013 07:28 ggrrg wrote:
On August 06 2013 06:56 tonight wrote:
I wasn't joking and my high for last maybe 6years(?) has only been C-. I honestly feel I'm no better than the better players in this league. I thought this would be a good place to start playing more and practicing with people because if it's for a team that wants to win in this setting it would force me to learn new maps and practice, but if it's not going to happen I guess it's not going to happen. Even though there are already C- players in the league:[


I don't mind if you play, but if this is anything to go by, you might be somewhat better than the better players around.

http://malcolmsharpe.github.io/iccup-ratings/html/leaderboard.html

edit: I take my remark back. Kaigreene is just 3 spots above you. So I guess you might actually be around the same level as the better guys around here.

Now that you mentioned him, it looks like Kai have risen a lot in rank. 23-5 and 16-1 this season. That's incredibly strong, although the sample size is small.


Honestly, his DRIT games looked really shaky...


I perform horrible under pressure

And I'm far from being too good in this league, Iccup is just really easy...

If iccup is easy for you, then maybe you shouldn't play in this league. This league is meant for ppl who consistently win against red ranks around 35% of the time, maybe stretching up towards 50%. That's what it claims anyway. I know that there are other players who have performed really well on ladder, like arb, but his stats are not this strong, plus his performance in the league have not been top tier. You, on the other hand won the last DRIT, and have been a top performer in the league every single season you have played. If by saying "Iccup is just really easy..." you mean that this is the kind of winrate you typically get, then it's crystal clear that you shouldn't be playing in this league. However, if this is just a good run, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

I just want the rules to be followed.

What happened to your old account?
Also,not meaning to insult kai,but i don't think he is above the league's level.maybe a bit under the borderline.


Lol marine, you do realise I'm better than you?

And l1ghtning., I understand your point, but I've only participated in drit4 and 5 so not dominant every time I played ;p anyways, I am pretty much floating around D+ and C-n on ladder, but in tournaments Im pretty bad because of the pressure ^^

I don't see the point in comparing yourself with other top players in the league, as there are many players whose peak rank is fairly unknown, and if we freeze all the players in this league and move forward 2 years, then several players will probably be well into the C ranks. My point is that the skill levels of all top players needs to be re-evaluated regularly, and compared with outsiders, to make sure that this stays as a D rank league. That's why we need to look at iccup ladder results. This is not about removing players who are too op, it's about making sure that the league follows its own rules. If you can consistently put out those numbers on iccup, then you shouldn't be playing here, but if you can't, you might/might not be in the skill range for this league, it depends on how great of a difference we're talking about. TheMarine[BG], with 140 games over 3 seasons and a 55% winrate is a good example of the upper range. Anyone who consistently performs better than that shouldn't play here, not according to me, but according to the rules. Obviously you can't just look at winrates, but if there's not enough games for a player to reach his peak rank, it's a good place to start.
SynC[gm]
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States3127 Posts
August 07 2013 16:33 GMT
#433
Basically as L1ghtning said, players that have been in these leagues for awhile are bound to improve to the point of C-/C. I definitely think people like the captains should all get together and firmly decide on whether certain players are right for the league, regardless of supposedly "flawed" iCCup ranking or TrueSkill.

Yes, it will hurt the league to take some of the strongest players out, if need be, even if they are the most active, but just for the sake of keeping the league active, should we extend the league to D-/D/D+/C-/C leagues?
twitch.tv/dizzywee
ggrrg
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Bulgaria2716 Posts
August 07 2013 17:13 GMT
#434
On August 08 2013 01:33 SynC[gm] wrote:
Basically as L1ghtning said, players that have been in these leagues for awhile are bound to improve to the point of C-/C. I definitely think people like the captains should all get together and firmly decide on whether certain players are right for the league, regardless of supposedly "flawed" iCCup ranking or TrueSkill.

Yes, it will hurt the league to take some of the strongest players out, if need be, even if they are the most active, but just for the sake of keeping the league active, should we extend the league to D-/D/D+/C-/C leagues?


I am not aware about all players, but at least from watching the DRIT games, I honestly doubt that there is anyone who could reach C without any kind of abuse like only playing against D-opponents.
On the other hand, I feel like there are tons of people who can, more or less easily, reach C-...
ImAtTheBeacH
Profile Joined March 2013
89 Posts
August 07 2013 18:08 GMT
#435
I vote NO Thx
ImAtTheBeacH
Profile Joined March 2013
89 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-07 18:11:44
August 07 2013 18:11 GMT
#436
also, xkcd/pebble - sign me up as

matchups -
v
v
v

thank ya
art_of_turtle
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
United States1202 Posts
August 07 2013 18:58 GMT
#437
On August 08 2013 03:11 ImAtTheBeacH wrote:
also, xkcd/pebble - sign me up as

matchups -
v
v
v

thank ya

Just pulling out all the matchups huh.

I vote yes on team split and yes on Tonight.
Flash should fear Sacsri
Dazed.
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3301 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-07 20:01:08
August 07 2013 19:20 GMT
#438
On August 08 2013 01:33 SynC[gm] wrote:
Basically as L1ghtning said, players that have been in these leagues for awhile are bound to improve to the point of C-/C. I definitely think people like the captains should all get together and firmly decide on whether certain players are right for the league, regardless of supposedly "flawed" iCCup ranking or TrueSkill.

Yes, it will hurt the league to take some of the strongest players out, if need be, even if they are the most active, but just for the sake of keeping the league active, should we extend the league to D-/D/D+/C-/C leagues?
Yes, we should do that. Its pointless to go down on your sword just to 'follow the rules', something we can change at the drop of a hat. Regardless, most of Kais records are against d players. I never drop games to D players, it doesnt make him beyond the threshold of the league.

Edit: I vote YES on splitting the teams.
Never say Die! ||| Fight you? No, I want to kill you.
L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
August 07 2013 19:51 GMT
#439
Yea, no fucking way this poll can be a true reflection.

I'll give people 5 days to vote in the thread if they have an opinion. If this is drastically different than the poll I will take that into consideration.

So, if you have an opinion on a team splitting you need to post here in the thread with a vote of yes or no
EffOrt and Soulkey Hwaiting!
greenelve
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany1392 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-07 19:55:13
August 07 2013 19:54 GMT
#440
I say YES we can split teams!

It doesnt matter how their players want to have playtime, i will still have fun.
It doesnt matter how they cheat to get more money, i will still get it all.

im greenelve
z0r.de for your daily madness /// Who knows what evil lurks in the heart of men? The Shadow knows!
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