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Airforce ACE of Spades lineup v1.0
 L1ghtning (C)
Floladriblere (PvZ) (C)
 sGsFabiano
 CoughingHydra
michamicha
pivert94
These are the only players we have been able to confirm.
Anyway, I will use this tl account from now on, to prevent confusion, as some new players had complains about it being hard to figure out what tl nick was connected to what iccup nick.
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IMPORTANT POLL CONCERNING NEW TEAMS/sB
Consider the whole issue and precedent, but also to be clear a vote of "yes" means sB splitting is ok, "no" means it is not.
Poll: Should a team be allowed to split in half into two teams?Yes (53) 51% No (51) 49% 104 total votes Your vote: Should a team be allowed to split in half into two teams? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
On August 06 2013 05:31 Cpt.beefy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2013 05:16 L_Master wrote:IMPORTANT POLLAlright we'll I'm just going to go Pontius Pilate on this one since I have totally mixed feelings. Poll: Can players that have been on a team leave to start another?Yes (11) 65% No (6) 35% 17 total votes Your vote: Can players that have been on a team leave to start another? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
This will close on the 9th right before the draft. This question is pretty stupid... I assume it has to do with SB's proposed dividing in 2. Which would mean make the real poll question this. Can a team split in two to secure play time for its members?
No, this question asks the core question. A ruling against Arca/Marine forming a second team sets a precedent that a player may not leave his own team to start another because that is exactly what I would be doing: preventing two sB members from starting a different team. That is really the question I'm asking too, I have some idea where people stand on the specific sB instance, but I want to know what the players of the league think overall about whether or not people should be allowed to leave a team to start a new one
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On August 06 2013 05:35 L_Master wrote:IMPORTANT POLL CONCERNING NEW TEAMS/sBPoll: Can players that have been on a team leave to start another?Yes (11) 65% No (6) 35% 17 total votes Your vote: Can players that have been on a team leave to start another? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
Show nested quote +On August 06 2013 05:31 Cpt.beefy wrote:On August 06 2013 05:16 L_Master wrote:IMPORTANT POLLAlright we'll I'm just going to go Pontius Pilate on this one since I have totally mixed feelings. Poll: Can players that have been on a team leave to start another?Yes (11) 65% No (6) 35% 17 total votes Your vote: Can players that have been on a team leave to start another? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
This will close on the 9th right before the draft. This question is pretty stupid... I assume it has to do with SB's proposed dividing in 2. Which would mean make the real poll question this. Can a team split in two to secure play time for its members? No, this question asks the core question. A ruling against Arca/Marine forming a second team sets a precedent that a player may not leave his own team to start another because that is exactly what I would be doing: preventing two sB members from starting a different team. That is really the question I'm asking too, I have some idea where people stand on the specific sB instance, but I want to know what the players of the league think overall about whether or not people should be allowed to leave a team to start a new one
but its nota new team proposed ur question has nothing too do with this situation. Its not 1or 2 players starting afresh its a team dividing with the captains already been decided. Do u understand? Its not a new team. Theres no scoutin n work involved in making the team. Its a team spliting cos or size. The new team wouldnt be call SB 2.0 but it will be full of ex sB members not new agents.
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Forgive my spelling. Im on a phone
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On August 06 2013 05:45 Cpt.beefy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2013 05:35 L_Master wrote:IMPORTANT POLL CONCERNING NEW TEAMS/sBPoll: Can players that have been on a team leave to start another?Yes (11) 65% No (6) 35% 17 total votes Your vote: Can players that have been on a team leave to start another? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
On August 06 2013 05:31 Cpt.beefy wrote:On August 06 2013 05:16 L_Master wrote:IMPORTANT POLLAlright we'll I'm just going to go Pontius Pilate on this one since I have totally mixed feelings. Poll: Can players that have been on a team leave to start another?Yes (11) 65% No (6) 35% 17 total votes Your vote: Can players that have been on a team leave to start another? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
This will close on the 9th right before the draft. This question is pretty stupid... I assume it has to do with SB's proposed dividing in 2. Which would mean make the real poll question this. Can a team split in two to secure play time for its members? No, this question asks the core question. A ruling against Arca/Marine forming a second team sets a precedent that a player may not leave his own team to start another because that is exactly what I would be doing: preventing two sB members from starting a different team. That is really the question I'm asking too, I have some idea where people stand on the specific sB instance, but I want to know what the players of the league think overall about whether or not people should be allowed to leave a team to start a new one but its nota new team proposed ur question has nothing too do with this situation. Its not 1or 2 players starting afresh its a team dividing with the captains already been decided. Do u understand? Its not a new team. Theres no scoutin n work involved in making the team. Its a team spliting cos or size. The new team wouldnt be call SB 2.0 but it will be full of ex sB members not new agents.
First, I will say I put a clarifier in the poll to make it clear this also concerns the sB issue so that no one gets overly confused.
Its not 1or 2 players starting afresh
Arca and TheMarine are the only two sB players going to the new team. The rest will be free agents, so in this case it really is just two players.
The new team wouldnt be call SB 2.0 but it will be full of ex sB members not new agents.
I actually do see where you are going with this, but as I have been informed so far it is only Arca and TheMarine leaving, making up the rest of the team with recruits and/or people from the draft.
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Birdie has stated and it was the only reason i objected. That arca n marine would be leaving if they hit 14 members SB would split n arca and marine would go with 5 others to start a new team. To ensure its fair for all to get a game. I cant construct a post with the quotes. but if you show me were it says arca n marine wanna leave SB n make a brand new team from scratch i'd appricate it.
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The poll has changed n should be reset. Ppl cant change there vote too the new proposed question lmaster.
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On August 06 2013 06:02 Cpt.beefy wrote:
Birdie has stated and it was the only reason i objected. That arca n marine would be leaving if they hit 14 members SB would split n arca and marine would go with 5 others to start a new team. To ensure its fair for all to get a game. I cant construct a post with the quotes. but if you show me were it says arca n marine wanna leave SB n make a brand new team from scratch i'd appricate it.
On July 30 2013 08:41 Birdie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2013 08:05 Dazed_Spy wrote:On July 30 2013 07:35 rauk wrote:On July 30 2013 07:09 Sentenal wrote:
You guys don't think "Hey, lets do the exact same thing as this but call it something different" actually changes anything, do you? exactly so what i'm asking is if, before any mention of a 2nd SB team or anything, arca had said "i don't like birdie, i'm making my own team" and make his own team, would that have been acceptable? and if that is acceptable, why isn't 2 SB teams acceptable since they're essentially equivalent? what if i decided i wanted to captain my own DRTL team this season? would you say "no, you used to play for despa, so you aren't allowed to" The concern is that friends and ex teammates have a greater likelihood and incentive to conspire in order to aid one another. If it were true that Arca, and many of his future teammates were not friends with Birde and his remaining teammates, then yes, it would change the entire nature of the situation. But note, it would change the situation entirely, we are not in that position whatsoever. We're basically in that position, in that it would be Arca and probably TheMarine running the second team, and the members would be new people to sB, so in that sense they're not longtime friends.
This means recruits as I read it, and is where I am taking my info + from what Birdie has told me in Skype while talking to him.
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Which Birdie are you talking to?
On August 01 2013 21:11 Birdie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 20:56 pebble444 wrote:
Birdie, i' m sorry to say your approach here is wrong. To recruite other player IS part of managing/running a team. If you are recruiting players for them, thats not a good start at all. As Lmaster said, running a team is okay if done by others. Running means also in my experience recruiting players. If you are recruiting the players, during the league these players will see you no matter what as some kind of reference. I saw the LOL posts, but lol is a different game, tuned in to a stream once didn' t understand anything remided me of warcraft 3 (which i believe it comes from). This situation is going to cause harm to the league. Mark my words. If you really want this to work, my advice is let Arca/marine deal with recruiting, let them decide which players your going to be splitting. Maybe you are doing things like this already, anyway sometimes it is best to do nothing at all and let others in order to make things happen in the best of ways.
As I said before, the team that Arca and TheMarine are going to run is already essentially complete; but for the split to go ahead, sB that I'm running needs a couple more players. If we can't find any more then the split won't happen. Right now Arca and TheMarine are not captains of any team, I'm captain of around 11 players. If I find 3 more people to join my team then I will request for Arca and TheMarine to leave along with 5 other players, to form their own team for the duration of this league. Then there will be their team and my team. Right now, there is only my team, and I am recruiting for them, and I am allowed to recruit as many as I want for them. I 'm not recruiting them for Arca/Marine's team, I'm recruiting them for my team, Team Stealth Bunnies. What's going to happen is a team SPLIT, not arca/marine leaving to form a new team per se. It'll be half of an old team forming a new team, not two players forming a new team. They will be their own team, don't get me wrong, they're running it not me (gl with that guys ;D). Until the team is split, I'm in charge.
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On August 01 2013 20:12 Birdie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 17:20 Cpt.beefy wrote:
So your using draft players to fill sB, then your splitting that team in 2. Where as you recruited everyone into stealth bunnies but only half u will captain? Nope zero sense.
Arca n marine are captaining Half of sB? Thats wat happening? You think thats fine? I'm not taking any free agent players (except RulZBoooM might have been a free agent), I'm talking to friends of mine which I've played with and practice partners and so on. The team was already too large for one team, so it's easier for me to recruit a couple more players and split it into two so everyone gets more game time and there's more teams in the league. This also lets Arca and TheMarine have the experience of running a team, which is both very fun and a good learning experience for all sorts of different skills. I think that's fine, yup. I won't be running the team they run. L_Master has said that as long as I'm not running the other team and the rosters are separate, it's fine, and I agree with him; I no longer want to run both teams, and separate rosters is of course necessary.
This is wat the split is Lmaster , n its posted after your quote. This is what i object too. Not a player starting a new team.
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On August 06 2013 06:19 Sentenal wrote:Which Birdie are you talking to? Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 21:11 Birdie wrote:On August 01 2013 20:56 pebble444 wrote:
Birdie, i' m sorry to say your approach here is wrong. To recruite other player IS part of managing/running a team. If you are recruiting players for them, thats not a good start at all. As Lmaster said, running a team is okay if done by others. Running means also in my experience recruiting players. If you are recruiting the players, during the league these players will see you no matter what as some kind of reference. I saw the LOL posts, but lol is a different game, tuned in to a stream once didn' t understand anything remided me of warcraft 3 (which i believe it comes from). This situation is going to cause harm to the league. Mark my words. If you really want this to work, my advice is let Arca/marine deal with recruiting, let them decide which players your going to be splitting. Maybe you are doing things like this already, anyway sometimes it is best to do nothing at all and let others in order to make things happen in the best of ways.
As I said before, the team that Arca and TheMarine are going to run is already essentially complete; but for the split to go ahead, sB that I'm running needs a couple more players. If we can't find any more then the split won't happen. Right now Arca and TheMarine are not captains of any team, I'm captain of around 11 players. If I find 3 more people to join my team then I will request for Arca and TheMarine to leave along with 5 other players, to form their own team for the duration of this league. Then there will be their team and my team. Right now, there is only my team, and I am recruiting for them, and I am allowed to recruit as many as I want for them. I 'm not recruiting them for Arca/Marine's team, I'm recruiting them for my team, Team Stealth Bunnies. What's going to happen is a team SPLIT, not arca/marine leaving to form a new team per se. It'll be half of an old team forming a new team, not two players forming a new team. They will be their own team, don't get me wrong, they're running it not me (gl with that guys ;D). Until the team is split, I'm in charge.
That certainly does change the read some
Did not realize the split would be taking so many sB members to the new team. Perhaps what Birdie meant by new recruits is these people he is trying to recruit now between seasons who have essentially never played on sB would be the ones going to the new team. Arca and the Marine taking a bunch of new guys Birdie grabbed in the last week is indeed a little different than them taking say Icedraco, Taeyoon, and another random guy or three.
EDIT: I think the poll is still correct though, as the wording explains that a yes vote means ok with sB splitting. If you don't think it is clear enough, feel free to suggest an alternate wording and I could restart it.
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On August 06 2013 05:13 L_Master wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2013 04:14 BigFan wrote:On August 06 2013 04:05 Biolunar wrote:
Excellent. Chances for the most beautiful matchup TvT are rising. you mean the snooze fests LOL Please tell me I read this wrong. Please + Show Spoiler +Well, it is D Rank, so maybe I would forgive you here. D Rank TvT not quite the same as progamer TvT 
Forgive me? hehe. No need, it is a snooze fest XD I think biomech would be more fun in TvT but I doubt anyone would go that route. You are correct though. Rank D TvT is pretty boring to watch, not sure about play though since I usually avoid TvT.
On August 06 2013 06:15 L_Master wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2013 06:02 Cpt.beefy wrote:
Birdie has stated and it was the only reason i objected. That arca n marine would be leaving if they hit 14 members SB would split n arca and marine would go with 5 others to start a new team. To ensure its fair for all to get a game. I cant construct a post with the quotes. but if you show me were it says arca n marine wanna leave SB n make a brand new team from scratch i'd appricate it. Show nested quote +On July 30 2013 08:41 Birdie wrote:On July 30 2013 08:05 Dazed_Spy wrote:On July 30 2013 07:35 rauk wrote:On July 30 2013 07:09 Sentenal wrote:
You guys don't think "Hey, lets do the exact same thing as this but call it something different" actually changes anything, do you? exactly so what i'm asking is if, before any mention of a 2nd SB team or anything, arca had said "i don't like birdie, i'm making my own team" and make his own team, would that have been acceptable? and if that is acceptable, why isn't 2 SB teams acceptable since they're essentially equivalent? what if i decided i wanted to captain my own DRTL team this season? would you say "no, you used to play for despa, so you aren't allowed to" The concern is that friends and ex teammates have a greater likelihood and incentive to conspire in order to aid one another. If it were true that Arca, and many of his future teammates were not friends with Birde and his remaining teammates, then yes, it would change the entire nature of the situation. But note, it would change the situation entirely, we are not in that position whatsoever. We're basically in that position, in that it would be Arca and probably TheMarine running the second team, and the members would be new people to sB, so in that sense they're not longtime friends. This means recruits as I read it, and is where I am taking my info + from what Birdie has told me in Skype while talking to him.
They are correct. Birdie did state that once the team got big enough, they'll split and that he has already recruited people for the teams so ya, 2 teams but under the same banner and such.
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Your out ou touch or been wormtongued lmaster.
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Birdie did all the work for the 2nd sB team he's just claiming he is not going to captain it. So, in reality it isn't really a new team, but just a fraction of an existing team.
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On August 06 2013 06:30 Cpt.beefy wrote:
Your out ou touch or been wormtongued lmaster.
haha@wormtongued
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On August 06 2013 06:30 Cpt.beefy wrote:
Your out ou touch or been wormtongued lmaster.
Nah, I'm not too concerned. Sentenal just posted a more up to date version, and I can understand what may have been meant by "new recuits".
The important thing is that the poll is correct, and given that I say: "also to be clear a vote of "yes" means sB splitting is ok, "no" means it is not." I think the poll should be clear to the issue at hand.
As stated before, if you don't think it is clear let me know and suggest an alternate wording; though to be honest I'm not sure how I can be much more clear than "yes means sB splitting is ok"
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On August 06 2013 06:25 L_Master wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2013 06:19 Sentenal wrote:Which Birdie are you talking to? On August 01 2013 21:11 Birdie wrote:On August 01 2013 20:56 pebble444 wrote:
Birdie, i' m sorry to say your approach here is wrong. To recruite other player IS part of managing/running a team. If you are recruiting players for them, thats not a good start at all. As Lmaster said, running a team is okay if done by others. Running means also in my experience recruiting players. If you are recruiting the players, during the league these players will see you no matter what as some kind of reference. I saw the LOL posts, but lol is a different game, tuned in to a stream once didn' t understand anything remided me of warcraft 3 (which i believe it comes from). This situation is going to cause harm to the league. Mark my words. If you really want this to work, my advice is let Arca/marine deal with recruiting, let them decide which players your going to be splitting. Maybe you are doing things like this already, anyway sometimes it is best to do nothing at all and let others in order to make things happen in the best of ways.
As I said before, the team that Arca and TheMarine are going to run is already essentially complete; but for the split to go ahead, sB that I'm running needs a couple more players. If we can't find any more then the split won't happen. Right now Arca and TheMarine are not captains of any team, I'm captain of around 11 players. If I find 3 more people to join my team then I will request for Arca and TheMarine to leave along with 5 other players, to form their own team for the duration of this league. Then there will be their team and my team. Right now, there is only my team, and I am recruiting for them, and I am allowed to recruit as many as I want for them. I 'm not recruiting them for Arca/Marine's team, I'm recruiting them for my team, Team Stealth Bunnies. What's going to happen is a team SPLIT, not arca/marine leaving to form a new team per se. It'll be half of an old team forming a new team, not two players forming a new team. They will be their own team, don't get me wrong, they're running it not me (gl with that guys ;D). Until the team is split, I'm in charge. That certainly does change the read some Did not realize the split would be taking so many sB members to the new team. Perhaps what Birdie meant by new recruits is these people he is trying to recruit now between seasons who have essentially never played on sB would be the ones going to the new team. Arca and the Marine taking a bunch of new guys Birdie grabbed in the last week is indeed a little different than them taking say Icedraco, Taeyoon, and another random guy or three. EDIT: I think the poll is still correct though, as the wording explains that a yes vote means ok with sB splitting. If you don't think it is clear enough, feel free to suggest an alternate wording and I could restart it.
According to what he said, he isn't going to send the new members to TheMarine's team. Hes going to do it volunteerily. The players he is recruiting right now are for his Stealth Bunnies. Additionally, the players he is recruiting right now are friends and practice partners of his.
TBH, I think the poll should just get remade. You have the caption above it, the poll question itself doesn't say anything about that, and some people just don't read everything. The poll question doesn't reflect the situation or what Birdie is wanting to do. If I were to reword it, I would say "Should a team be allowed to split in half into two teams?"
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Well, I think people aren't reading the whole post and just going by what is said on the poll which is somewhat misleading.
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On August 06 2013 06:37 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2013 06:25 L_Master wrote:On August 06 2013 06:19 Sentenal wrote:Which Birdie are you talking to? On August 01 2013 21:11 Birdie wrote:On August 01 2013 20:56 pebble444 wrote:
Birdie, i' m sorry to say your approach here is wrong. To recruite other player IS part of managing/running a team. If you are recruiting players for them, thats not a good start at all. As Lmaster said, running a team is okay if done by others. Running means also in my experience recruiting players. If you are recruiting the players, during the league these players will see you no matter what as some kind of reference. I saw the LOL posts, but lol is a different game, tuned in to a stream once didn' t understand anything remided me of warcraft 3 (which i believe it comes from). This situation is going to cause harm to the league. Mark my words. If you really want this to work, my advice is let Arca/marine deal with recruiting, let them decide which players your going to be splitting. Maybe you are doing things like this already, anyway sometimes it is best to do nothing at all and let others in order to make things happen in the best of ways.
As I said before, the team that Arca and TheMarine are going to run is already essentially complete; but for the split to go ahead, sB that I'm running needs a couple more players. If we can't find any more then the split won't happen. Right now Arca and TheMarine are not captains of any team, I'm captain of around 11 players. If I find 3 more people to join my team then I will request for Arca and TheMarine to leave along with 5 other players, to form their own team for the duration of this league. Then there will be their team and my team. Right now, there is only my team, and I am recruiting for them, and I am allowed to recruit as many as I want for them. I 'm not recruiting them for Arca/Marine's team, I'm recruiting them for my team, Team Stealth Bunnies. What's going to happen is a team SPLIT, not arca/marine leaving to form a new team per se. It'll be half of an old team forming a new team, not two players forming a new team. They will be their own team, don't get me wrong, they're running it not me (gl with that guys ;D). Until the team is split, I'm in charge. That certainly does change the read some Did not realize the split would be taking so many sB members to the new team. Perhaps what Birdie meant by new recruits is these people he is trying to recruit now between seasons who have essentially never played on sB would be the ones going to the new team. Arca and the Marine taking a bunch of new guys Birdie grabbed in the last week is indeed a little different than them taking say Icedraco, Taeyoon, and another random guy or three. EDIT: I think the poll is still correct though, as the wording explains that a yes vote means ok with sB splitting. If you don't think it is clear enough, feel free to suggest an alternate wording and I could restart it. According to what he said, he isn't going to send the new members to TheMarine's team. Hes going to do it volunteerily. The players he is recruiting right now are for his Stealth Bunnies. Additionally, the players he is recruiting right now are friends and practice partners of his. TBH, I think the poll should just get remade. The poll question doesn't reflect the situation or what Birdie is wanting to do. If I were to reword it, I would say "Should a team be allowed to split in half into two teams?"
This right here
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It's in blue, big and bolded. But if you really think people aren't reading that despite it standing out more than the poll I can restart it.
Also tonight, I don't know if you were being facetious about playing or not but: http://www.iccup.com/starcraft/gamingprofile/sMi.tonight.html - It's not happening.
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