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On August 03 2013 07:34 hzflank wrote: Cora, you think that Exar is town anyway, so you should not be too worried.
No because when Exar flips town you are going to move on to the next player and make horribly-reasoned cases on them and continue to make horrible associations based on your shitty cases.
Scum could go AFK from this point on and they would still win the game.
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On August 03 2013 07:36 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 07:33 hzflank wrote:On August 03 2013 07:32 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 03 2013 07:30 hzflank wrote:On August 03 2013 07:26 Koshi wrote: Without doubt I am going to get lynched this game at some point. First time for everything! Nope. They have a cop and a Vet who have the entire scum team nailed. After they kill Rayn they would need to waste 2 night-kills on me. Their only chance is to persuade people not to vote with me. But..I am confirmed town afterall! They will concede before you are lynched. hz, all these leaps you're making to somehow paint me scum. Remember the time when you asked me why I was so town? Those were good times man. Can we go back to those? At the very least can we lynch two scum before me? Sure. We lynch Exar. If he flips scum then we lynch Cora. If he flips Godfather then we lynch you. Deal? I agree to two thirds of this plan. Let's talk about exar flipping town, who do you wanna lynch then? Still CJS or maybe a Koshi/Stutters? (probably stutters) Also, if we flip two goons, will you still think I'm scum?
Last part is easy: there is a green check on Cora so he is GF or town, not goon.
First part well: if Exar flips town then I will look a fool. The most likely scenario then is two from Koshi/JAT/FT/Stutters/Oats. I am not sure which two, at the moment.
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On August 03 2013 07:38 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 07:36 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 03 2013 07:33 hzflank wrote:On August 03 2013 07:32 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 03 2013 07:30 hzflank wrote:On August 03 2013 07:26 Koshi wrote: Without doubt I am going to get lynched this game at some point. First time for everything! Nope. They have a cop and a Vet who have the entire scum team nailed. After they kill Rayn they would need to waste 2 night-kills on me. Their only chance is to persuade people not to vote with me. But..I am confirmed town afterall! They will concede before you are lynched. hz, all these leaps you're making to somehow paint me scum. Remember the time when you asked me why I was so town? Those were good times man. Can we go back to those? At the very least can we lynch two scum before me? Sure. We lynch Exar. If he flips scum then we lynch Cora. If he flips Godfather then we lynch you. Deal? I agree to two thirds of this plan. Let's talk about exar flipping town, who do you wanna lynch then? Still CJS or maybe a Koshi/Stutters? (probably stutters) Also, if we flip two goons, will you still think I'm scum? Last part is easy: there is a green check on Cora so he is GF or town, not goon. First part well: if Exar flips town then I will look a fool. The most likely scenario then is two from Koshi/JAT/FT/Stutters/Oats. I am not sure which two, at the moment.
I haven't done any in depth analysis stuff today, but are you saying that for xrz to be scum, cjs has to be GF? We're also saying it's unlikely that scum has a roleblocker and a GF? If that's the case xrz isn't scum.
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On August 03 2013 07:41 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 07:38 hzflank wrote:On August 03 2013 07:36 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 03 2013 07:33 hzflank wrote:On August 03 2013 07:32 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 03 2013 07:30 hzflank wrote:On August 03 2013 07:26 Koshi wrote: Without doubt I am going to get lynched this game at some point. First time for everything! Nope. They have a cop and a Vet who have the entire scum team nailed. After they kill Rayn they would need to waste 2 night-kills on me. Their only chance is to persuade people not to vote with me. But..I am confirmed town afterall! They will concede before you are lynched. hz, all these leaps you're making to somehow paint me scum. Remember the time when you asked me why I was so town? Those were good times man. Can we go back to those? At the very least can we lynch two scum before me? Sure. We lynch Exar. If he flips scum then we lynch Cora. If he flips Godfather then we lynch you. Deal? I agree to two thirds of this plan. Let's talk about exar flipping town, who do you wanna lynch then? Still CJS or maybe a Koshi/Stutters? (probably stutters) Also, if we flip two goons, will you still think I'm scum? Last part is easy: there is a green check on Cora so he is GF or town, not goon. First part well: if Exar flips town then I will look a fool. The most likely scenario then is two from Koshi/JAT/FT/Stutters/Oats. I am not sure which two, at the moment. I haven't done any in depth analysis stuff today, but are you saying that for xrz to be scum, cjs has to be GF? We're also saying it's unlikely that scum has a roleblocker and a GF? If that's the case xrz isn't scum.
No, I am not saying that. Exar can be scum without CJS being scum. I do not think it likely, though.
Honestly Clarity, it is not me that you need to persuade, but other people. I really want to lynch Exar today and if he flips red then I will want to lynch Cora. I am unlikely to change my mind on that.
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Like, xrz is scum leads to cjs being scum? yes/no?
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On August 03 2013 07:44 Clarity_nl wrote: Like, xrz is scum leads to cjs being scum? yes/no?
No. xrz being scum makes it much more likely that cjs is scum. xrs being town makes it much more likely that cjs is town.
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I'm okay with the exar lynch. Either we confirm a bunch of people including me or we lynch scum. CJS's post before it turned day looks fishy, but I find it hard to see him as scum. You think he faked the day 1 ragequit as scum?
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hz do not make these association cases before flip. There is no need to use your energy into that now.
XRZ is our best target today, as he is really really fishy.
If he is town, like half of the town is semi-confirmed.
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On August 03 2013 07:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: hz do not make these association cases before flip. There is no need to use your energy into that now.
Rayn you've been doing that all game. Don't be hypocritical.
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On August 03 2013 07:47 Clarity_nl wrote: I'm okay with the exar lynch. Either we confirm a bunch of people including me or we lynch scum. CJS's post before it turned day looks fishy, but I find it hard to see him as scum. You think he faked the day 1 ragequit as scum?
Doesn't matter, we have a mislynch left anyway. If we want to play it super safe after xrz flips scum:
Lynch Tofu, if town then cjs + clarity = scum, town wins if tofu = scum then only 1 scum left and still a bunch of town reads
Basically, if exar flips red then town almost certainly wins. I think CJS/Clarity are the other 2 scum but it does not matter as we can spare the lynch on Tofu first, and I cannot be nightkilled. I can push Tofu and CJS lynches before I am shot twice, and if CJS flips godfather then everyone knows to lynch Clarity
If the scum team is Exar/CJS/Clarity then you cannot win unless you somehow have a janitor to shoot me.
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Also, if the scum team is xrz/tofu/+1 then it's all good because we can lynch scum day 3 and 4.
If XRZ is scum then we are golden. If XRZ is town then...not so much
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I am voting XRZ on the basis that it is completely retarded to shift everybody to Malongo as a town player if you don't have a red check and that Vayne got killed this night.
That combined with the fact hz and rayn are confirmed town and they want this lynch.
##vote:Exarzee
But there are so many things I don't see XRZ do if he is scum like retracting his cop claim. But I was the guy that was convinced Malongo wasn't scum, that thought Vayne was maybe scum and was very convinced hz was scum. So wtf do I know.
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On August 03 2013 06:17 Koshi wrote:
JAT could also be a scum. There is a lot of defense coming from JAT towards XRZ. JAT also said he could phone XRZ if I am not mistaken? What the hell? I think you are indeed very mistaken my friend.
Hz, I think you are a bit to sure about this. I don't think your not-a-cop-slip makes sense and I don't know why xrz should declaim if it doesn't. What I really don't understand is the kill on vayne but maybe they weren't afraid of raynes check (or didn't believe he really is a cop) because he announced an oats check (who would be vt or gf - if your balance assumptions are right more likely vt) and tried to set us up for a juicy rayn mislynch? The only thing that fucked with this plan is xrzs declaim.
Am I stupid and this is impossible? If so why?
Also why is it impossible that there is a doc still hiding? The only conclusive point for this is that he would probably have saved Vivax Day 1 but you can't be 100% sure everyone would have done that.
There is so much speculation going on right now it's insane.
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God you guys are so sad. I don't know what part of the XRZ case I haven't countered exactly, yet you all continue to vote for him.
Good job sheeping Koshi.
Going to work, be back later.
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I think if xrz flips town we can figure the game out d4. They'll probably kill rayn, or I suppose they might just roleblock him when xrz flips town. Best scenario is if xrz flips roleblocker.
Like, are you assuming that scum cannot have a roleblocker and GF hz? Could you explain your reasoning?
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On August 03 2013 07:50 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 07:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: hz do not make these association cases before flip. There is no need to use your energy into that now.
Rayn you've been doing that all game. Don't be hypocritical. The difference is i don´t use all my energy into them and i only bring them up when i need to justify something.
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Don't get me wrong he might be scum but you are so sure about this and I don't see why.
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@JAT Ah yes I am wrong about that. Must have dreamt it -_-. Sorry.
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On August 03 2013 07:56 Clarity_nl wrote: I think if xrz flips town we can figure the game out d4. They'll probably kill rayn, or I suppose they might just roleblock him when xrz flips town. Best scenario is if xrz flips roleblocker.
Like, are you assuming that scum cannot have a roleblocker and GF hz? Could you explain your reasoning? Clarity, there is one cop and one vet (which can´t be blocked). The setup is already hard as it´s 10 vs 4.
Do you think there is a godfather + roleblocker vs one cop?
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