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FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
August 02 2013 23:26 GMT
#3761
Personally, I think Clarity is NULL if XRZ flips scum, but is possible scum if XRZ flips town.

Aside from the potential roleblock fakeclaim, what dirt do you really have on Clarity?
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 02 2013 23:28 GMT
#3762
FT why is Clarity scummy if XRZ flips town?
table for two on a tv tray
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
August 02 2013 23:30 GMT
#3763
I have nothing on Clarity. We have a green check on CJS though, so he would be the godfather. It's process of elimination based on the setup. If you think that scum have a roleblocker and a GF then you better hope to see a doctor flip on the N3 nightkill. Which would mean scum have to shoot someone other than the cop.

Sorry FT, but if Exar flips red D3 and Raun flips cop N3, then lynching you D4 gives the town the best chance of winning. Unless you can come of with some reason why scum-Exar claimed cop that does not involve saving you or CJS.
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
August 02 2013 23:34 GMT
#3764
On August 03 2013 08:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
FT why is Clarity scummy if XRZ flips town?

I was thinking about his reaction to the XRZ claim. He immediately discredited it and professed a desire to vote XRZ instead of his check. This made think that they are not of the same alignment. Additionally, he wanted to vote the cop claim instead of the useless person who the check was attacking.

Doesn't make much sense to lynch a possible cop over a possible VT.
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
August 02 2013 23:36 GMT
#3765
On August 03 2013 08:30 hzflank wrote:
I have nothing on Clarity. We have a green check on CJS though, so he would be the godfather. It's process of elimination based on the setup. If you think that scum have a roleblocker and a GF then you better hope to see a doctor flip on the N3 nightkill. Which would mean scum have to shoot someone other than the cop.

Sorry FT, but if Exar flips red D3 and Raun flips cop N3, then lynching you D4 gives the town the best chance of winning. Unless you can come of with some reason why scum-Exar claimed cop that does not involve saving you or CJS.

I still fail to see how XRZ and I are connected in any way. You still haven't explained this to me. XRZ saved CJS. If he flips scum, you should wholeheartedly endorse a CJS lynch on Day 4.
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
August 02 2013 23:36 GMT
#3766
On August 03 2013 08:34 FirmTofu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2013 08:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
FT why is Clarity scummy if XRZ flips town?

I was thinking about his reaction to the XRZ claim. He immediately discredited it and professed a desire to vote XRZ instead of his check. This made think that they are not of the same alignment. Additionally, he wanted to vote the cop claim instead of the useless person who the check was attacking.

Doesn't make much sense to lynch a possible cop over a possible VT.


So the fact that Clarity claimed N1 roleblock and xrz claimed N2 roleblock means nothing?
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
August 02 2013 23:38 GMT
#3767
On August 03 2013 08:36 hzflank wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2013 08:34 FirmTofu wrote:
On August 03 2013 08:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
FT why is Clarity scummy if XRZ flips town?

I was thinking about his reaction to the XRZ claim. He immediately discredited it and professed a desire to vote XRZ instead of his check. This made think that they are not of the same alignment. Additionally, he wanted to vote the cop claim instead of the useless person who the check was attacking.

Doesn't make much sense to lynch a possible cop over a possible VT.


So the fact that Clarity claimed N1 roleblock and xrz claimed N2 roleblock means nothing?

I think it is more likely that scum have a roleblocker than not. I think one of them is probably lying, but not both. Speculating on this is rather useless because either of them could be lying.
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
August 02 2013 23:38 GMT
#3768
On August 03 2013 08:36 FirmTofu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2013 08:30 hzflank wrote:
I have nothing on Clarity. We have a green check on CJS though, so he would be the godfather. It's process of elimination based on the setup. If you think that scum have a roleblocker and a GF then you better hope to see a doctor flip on the N3 nightkill. Which would mean scum have to shoot someone other than the cop.

Sorry FT, but if Exar flips red D3 and Raun flips cop N3, then lynching you D4 gives the town the best chance of winning. Unless you can come of with some reason why scum-Exar claimed cop that does not involve saving you or CJS.

I still fail to see how XRZ and I are connected in any way. You still haven't explained this to me. XRZ saved CJS. If he flips scum, you should wholeheartedly endorse a CJS lynch on Day 4.


If he flips roleblocker we can discuss it. If he flips goon and then Rayn flips cop, it would just be bad play to lynch anyone other than you on D4.

There is just as much chance of Exar claiming cop to save you as there is of him doing it to save clarity. As we have a green check on CJS and a N1 roleblocked claim by Clarity we have nothing to lose by lynching you first. Ofcourse if we lynch Cora first and he flips town then we have a lot to lose, as we would not know for sure who the last scum is.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
August 02 2013 23:39 GMT
#3769
On August 03 2013 08:38 FirmTofu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2013 08:36 hzflank wrote:
On August 03 2013 08:34 FirmTofu wrote:
On August 03 2013 08:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
FT why is Clarity scummy if XRZ flips town?

I was thinking about his reaction to the XRZ claim. He immediately discredited it and professed a desire to vote XRZ instead of his check. This made think that they are not of the same alignment. Additionally, he wanted to vote the cop claim instead of the useless person who the check was attacking.

Doesn't make much sense to lynch a possible cop over a possible VT.


So the fact that Clarity claimed N1 roleblock and xrz claimed N2 roleblock means nothing?

I think it is more likely that scum have a roleblocker than not. I think one of them is probably lying, but not both. Speculating on this is rather useless because either of them could be lying.


It's more likely the guy who got roleblocked N2 is lying. You do not waste a roleblock on N1 without a good reason, and I would assume that the scum team has at least one person on it with enough experience to know this.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
August 02 2013 23:43 GMT
#3770
Ok, hz. You have me almost convinced because if xrz flips scum - good. If he flips town we basically have the whole scum team by the balls by process of elimination (-> Koshi, Stutters and Tofu).
It just feels weird to me to relie so hard on the setup and it would mean Stutters tried to bus Tofu pretty hard and I don't know how likely this is.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 02 2013 23:43 GMT
#3771
Yeah there is no reason to waste a roleblock on N1. If XRZ is mafia they probably do not have a roleblocker at all.
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justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
August 02 2013 23:47 GMT
#3772
So probably xrz is scum after all...
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
August 02 2013 23:47 GMT
#3773
Alright, this is where I stand.

If XRZ flips town:
I think it's probably JAT, Stutters, rayn/Clarity/Koshi.
rayn could be lying about the cop claim, but I'm deferring to hz's best judgement on this. I have to agree that no cop is pretty unlikely so until another claim comes up, rayn could still be town.

If XRZ flips scum:
I think it's probably CJS, JAT, Koshi, maybe Stutters.
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
August 02 2013 23:48 GMT
#3774
On August 03 2013 08:47 justanothertownie wrote:
So probably xrz is scum after all...


Yep. Mal voted himself and Exar voted Mal. Stutters voted FT. That means most of the scum were voting for other scum.

So if you are town (which I do not know, sorry) then it is highly likely that Exar is scum.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
August 02 2013 23:49 GMT
#3775
Tofu...you are missing things. If you think that Exar and CJS are both scum them Clarity 100000000% has to be the final scum. For those that missed it, thats 100000000%.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
August 02 2013 23:50 GMT
#3776
Also, if Rayn is lying about the cop claim then we will know when he does not die N3
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
August 02 2013 23:52 GMT
#3777
For now that's enough reason for me to vote xrz.

##Vote: exarezee
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
August 02 2013 23:52 GMT
#3778
Rayn, are you sure that Oats is town? I dont know him...are you absolutely sure he would of roleblocked you?
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
August 02 2013 23:53 GMT
#3779
On August 03 2013 08:49 hzflank wrote:
Tofu...you are missing things. If you think that Exar and CJS are both scum them Clarity 100000000% has to be the final scum. For those that missed it, thats 100000000%.

Whatever, we can discuss that when the time comes. Not too worried about that read right now.
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
August 02 2013 23:58 GMT
#3780
JAT, you are a fast learner!

Don't you agree that if Exar flips red and Rayn dies, the best play is to lynch FT just to be safe?

I am pretty sure Stutters will be down for an FT lynch. Clarity will totally go for an FT lynch too. It should not be a problem for us to get a majority.

Safe plays are the best plays.
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