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hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
August 02 2013 22:12 GMT
#3701
Exarzee is explaining his choice of cop check target. He says:

He can make a case against some people without needing to check them.
He feels good about Clarity being town because he (Exar) was roleblocked.
So that left Oats, JAT or Stutters

The bolded line cannot be part of his reason for the cop check.

Btw scum team is Exar, Cora and Clarity. I will get to that later, but I am probably going to hard a hard time communicating it. Rayn will get it, though.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
August 02 2013 22:14 GMT
#3702
On August 02 2013 09:02 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:
Well let's make this easy on ourselves:

##Vote: Raynpelikoneet


On August 02 2013 09:06 exarezee wrote:
i got roleblocked


On August 02 2013 09:07 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2013 09:06 exarezee wrote:
i got roleblocked

Who did you try to check?


On August 02 2013 09:10 exarezee wrote:
oats


On August 02 2013 09:18 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2013 09:10 exarezee wrote:
oats

Why Oats? Not Koshi or any of your other scum reads from the group of 5 you mentioned?


On August 02 2013 10:10 exarezee wrote:
I'm back on the computer.

I can make a case against the others without a peek. This is assuming that the mafia did not have a roleblocker, (which I wish they didn't, because we could assume clarity is scum. I feel good about clarity being town now. I can now assume if someone else were roleblocked, they would have said something) I narrowed down my choice of peeks to justanothertownie, oats, or stutters. I don't have a good feel for their position. I decided to peek oats who was who rayn said he was going to peek.


On August 02 2013 10:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And why did you check Oats?


On August 02 2013 10:21 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2013 10:10 exarezee wrote:
I'm back on the computer.

I can make a case against the others without a peek. This is assuming that the mafia did not have a roleblocker, (which I wish they didn't, because we could assume clarity is scum. I feel good about clarity being town now. I can now assume if someone else were roleblocked, they would have said something) I narrowed down my choice of peeks to justanothertownie, oats, or stutters. I don't have a good feel for their position. I decided to peek oats who was who rayn said he was going to peek.


You need to read Rayn.


On August 02 2013 10:30 exarezee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2013 10:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And why did you check Oats?


answered this one already


Therefore, Exar cannot be Cop.

On August 02 2013 10:33 exarezee wrote:
Here's where my head is at:

Town: Myself, rayn

Almost guaranteed town: clarity, captain jack

scum: oats

Time to solve the game on: tofu, koshi, stutters, hzflank, justanothertownie


On August 02 2013 10:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Fuck it. This does not make sense to me.

Cora and XRZ help me out here please.

Why would scum not RB me and kill XRZ if we are both town? I even called a check on Oats. I did not in fact check Oats in case of mafia fuckup. I did check Cora and got town result.

Now why did i not get roleblocked if Oats is town? Or scum? Why the fuck not roleblock me and kill XRZ who looks more town than i do? I can´t understand shit any more. I think Oats is a GF or town. CJS is town for sure.

##Unvote:


On August 02 2013 10:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
actually i am not sure if XRZ is town, Cora please talk to me.
how does this make sense to you, that XRZ was rb´d and not killed, and i was not killed?


On August 02 2013 10:55 exarezee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2013 10:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Fuck it. This does not make sense to me.

Cora and XRZ help me out here please.

Why would scum not RB me and kill XRZ if we are both town? I even called a check on Oats. I did not in fact check Oats in case of mafia fuckup. I did check Cora and got town result.

Now why did i not get roleblocked if Oats is town? Or scum? Why the fuck not roleblock me and kill XRZ who looks more town than i do? I can´t understand shit any more. I think Oats is a GF or town. CJS is town for sure.

##Unvote:


WTF WTF

I'm not convinced you're fucking town anymore.

Holy fuck. I claim roleblocked. You don't claim roleblocked. How the fuck would u think I'm not town. So you think me and clarity are fucking scum/scum?


On August 02 2013 10:58 exarezee wrote:
Look at it from rayn's perspective. there are 3 people who could have died/got roleblocked. Vayne died. I claim roleblocked. And he thinks I'm not town? WTF WTF


Exar thought that Vayne was blue

On August 02 2013 10:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2013 10:58 exarezee wrote:
Look at it from rayn's perspective. there are 3 people who could have died/got roleblocked. Vayne died. I claim roleblocked. And he thinks I'm not town? WTF WTF

Who is the third person besides me/you?


On August 02 2013 11:02 exarezee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2013 11:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 02 2013 10:59 exarezee wrote:
On August 02 2013 10:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 02 2013 10:58 exarezee wrote:
Look at it from rayn's perspective. there are 3 people who could have died/got roleblocked. Vayne died. I claim roleblocked. And he thinks I'm not town? WTF WTF

Who is the third person besides me/you?


fucking vayne. are u this retarded?

lol. why is vayne a power role?


it doesnt matter if he's a power role or not. he fucking got night killed. mafia THOUGHT he was a power role. that's all that matters. there's 1 roleblock left, used on me or you. IT got used on me. I claimed it immediately. And you think im BSing? Makes absolutely 0 sense from you (town perspective).


On August 02 2013 11:03 exarezee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2013 11:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 02 2013 10:59 Oatsmaster wrote:
ok so for XRZ to be scum, means that scum has no RB and clarity is scum too.
I dont think that scum has no rb.
Therefore Rayn must be scum. And for some reason didnt kill xrz. Possibly to push his lynch.

Oats. I really am a cop.

XRZ, Clarity, FT. look at what post Clarity calls me out for. :DDDDDD


if ur a cop, freaking think a little more before you put things out there that people will believe like putting doubt on me. I could get fucking roleblocked rest of the game, and i'll have to prove my innocence, and if u die and are a cofirmed cop, people are going to believe u u know?


On August 02 2013 11:13 exarezee wrote:
I guess I'll have to drop a bomb since rayn I believe is seriously doubting me.

I am vanilla town. This is why I did not accuse rayn of being scum even after I claimed. I'm almost 100% certain he is cop. I was trying to draw the night kill. Did the next best thing by getting roleblocked. Obviously scum thought one of me or vayne were the actual cop. It is certainly believable that vayne could have been the actual cop. We are both getting roleblocked/killed during the day now, so I can reveal this. I know this because I was roleblocked today. I bought a free peek for us. Trust rayn's peek please. Unless there is no detective of course.


Scum team realises that they are completey fucked and Exar says he is not cop

It is going to take me fricking hours to figure out how to explain that to everyone piece by piece
IMCaptainJackSparrow
Profile Joined July 2013
Bahamas303 Posts
August 02 2013 22:19 GMT
#3703
XRC's read on Clarity was based on his disbelief of the rb claim. If scum had rb'd someone else, XRC would've said the same thing. He did not out himself as a fake-cop when he talked about Clarity. You're trying to catch smoke on that one.

You guys making association cases before flips are so stupid.
"You will remember this day as the day that you ALMOST caught Captain Jack Sparrow."
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
August 02 2013 22:21 GMT
#3704
What I see Hz is he didn't check Clarity because if someone else claimed RB he'd assume that clarity must be town since then an RB exists. That logic is faulty since scum can easily hide an RB n1 if they don't have a good idea of who is blue(I tried to withhold it in Basterd iirc, but no one else wanted to) but it doesn't show a slip in his thinking.
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
August 02 2013 22:23 GMT
#3705
On August 03 2013 07:19 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:
XRC's read on Clarity was based on his disbelief of the rb claim. If scum had rb'd someone else, XRC would've said the same thing. He did not out himself as a fake-cop when he talked about Clarity. You're trying to catch smoke on that one.

You guys making association cases before flips are so stupid.

So who do we lynch then all-powerful and wise Cora?
IMCaptainJackSparrow
Profile Joined July 2013
Bahamas303 Posts
August 02 2013 22:25 GMT
#3706
My lynch list:

1. Koshi
2. Stutters
3. FirmTofu
4. hz

hz makes it into the list with a really bad case...starting to look like scum pushing a mislynch.
"You will remember this day as the day that you ALMOST caught Captain Jack Sparrow."
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
August 02 2013 22:26 GMT
#3707
it's funny, Rayn's drunked conversation nailed the whole scum team...and Rayn was too drunk to realize it.

##Manner Mules
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 02 2013 22:26 GMT
#3708
Without doubt I am going to get lynched this game at some point. First time for everything!
I had a good night of sleep.
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
August 02 2013 22:26 GMT
#3709
hz I think you need to read them seperately.

1. I feel good about clarity being town now that I got roleblocked
2. I had narrowed down my choices to JAT, Oats or Stutters

If you're trying to connect the two then you have to assume I would have been a good check, which I don't think I am.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
August 02 2013 22:27 GMT
#3710
On August 03 2013 07:21 Stutters695 wrote:
What I see Hz is he didn't check Clarity because if someone else claimed RB he'd assume that clarity must be town since then an RB exists. That logic is faulty since scum can easily hide an RB n1 if they don't have a good idea of who is blue(I tried to withhold it in Basterd iirc, but no one else wanted to) but it doesn't show a slip in his thinking.


That does not make sense. Exar had to make his check assuming that he would neither be roleblocked or night killed. Therefore he had to assume that scum had no role blocker when he put the check in.
IMCaptainJackSparrow
Profile Joined July 2013
Bahamas303 Posts
August 02 2013 22:28 GMT
#3711
I'm pretty sure there have been 2147329845723897 scum teams proposed...all before flips. Does anyone know that making association cases before flips is bad?
"You will remember this day as the day that you ALMOST caught Captain Jack Sparrow."
IMCaptainJackSparrow
Profile Joined July 2013
Bahamas303 Posts
August 02 2013 22:29 GMT
#3712
On August 03 2013 07:27 hzflank wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2013 07:21 Stutters695 wrote:
What I see Hz is he didn't check Clarity because if someone else claimed RB he'd assume that clarity must be town since then an RB exists. That logic is faulty since scum can easily hide an RB n1 if they don't have a good idea of who is blue(I tried to withhold it in Basterd iirc, but no one else wanted to) but it doesn't show a slip in his thinking.


That does not make sense. Exar had to make his check assuming that he would neither be roleblocked or night killed. Therefore he had to assume that scum had no role blocker when he put the check in.

He didn't have to assume that. He said that he banked on an Oats check in case Rayn got killed OR roleblocked. Why would he check Clarity and get a green check if (to him) having someone else be roleblocked would do the same thing?
"You will remember this day as the day that you ALMOST caught Captain Jack Sparrow."
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
August 02 2013 22:30 GMT
#3713
On August 03 2013 07:26 Koshi wrote:
Without doubt I am going to get lynched this game at some point. First time for everything!


Nope. They have a cop and a Vet who have the entire scum team nailed. After they kill Rayn they would need to waste 2 night-kills on me. Their only chance is to persuade people not to vote with me. But..I am confirmed town afterall!

They will concede before you are lynched.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
August 02 2013 22:31 GMT
#3714
On August 03 2013 07:28 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:
I'm pretty sure there have been 2147329845723897 scum teams proposed...all before flips. Does anyone know that making association cases before flips is bad?


Okay then, lets just lynch Exar since he has plenty of votes on him already. We can do the associations on Day 4...I am pretty sure I will still be around.
IMCaptainJackSparrow
Profile Joined July 2013
Bahamas303 Posts
August 02 2013 22:31 GMT
#3715
On August 03 2013 07:31 hzflank wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2013 07:28 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:
I'm pretty sure there have been 2147329845723897 scum teams proposed...all before flips. Does anyone know that making association cases before flips is bad?


Okay then, lets just lynch Exar since he has plenty of votes on him already. We can do the associations on Day 4...I am pretty sure I will still be around.

THEN WHY ARE YOU MAKING THEM NOW
"You will remember this day as the day that you ALMOST caught Captain Jack Sparrow."
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
August 02 2013 22:32 GMT
#3716
On August 03 2013 07:30 hzflank wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2013 07:26 Koshi wrote:
Without doubt I am going to get lynched this game at some point. First time for everything!


Nope. They have a cop and a Vet who have the entire scum team nailed. After they kill Rayn they would need to waste 2 night-kills on me. Their only chance is to persuade people not to vote with me. But..I am confirmed town afterall!

They will concede before you are lynched.


hz, all these leaps you're making to somehow paint me scum.
Remember the time when you asked me why I was so town? Those were good times man. Can we go back to those?

At the very least can we lynch two scum before me?
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
August 02 2013 22:33 GMT
#3717
On August 03 2013 07:32 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2013 07:30 hzflank wrote:
On August 03 2013 07:26 Koshi wrote:
Without doubt I am going to get lynched this game at some point. First time for everything!


Nope. They have a cop and a Vet who have the entire scum team nailed. After they kill Rayn they would need to waste 2 night-kills on me. Their only chance is to persuade people not to vote with me. But..I am confirmed town afterall!

They will concede before you are lynched.


hz, all these leaps you're making to somehow paint me scum.
Remember the time when you asked me why I was so town? Those were good times man. Can we go back to those?

At the very least can we lynch two scum before me?


Sure. We lynch Exar. If he flips scum then we lynch Cora. If he flips Godfather then we lynch you. Deal?
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
August 02 2013 22:34 GMT
#3718
Cora, you think that Exar is town anyway, so you should not be too worried.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
August 02 2013 22:35 GMT
#3719
On August 03 2013 07:31 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2013 07:31 hzflank wrote:
On August 03 2013 07:28 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:
I'm pretty sure there have been 2147329845723897 scum teams proposed...all before flips. Does anyone know that making association cases before flips is bad?


Okay then, lets just lynch Exar since he has plenty of votes on him already. We can do the associations on Day 4...I am pretty sure I will still be around.

THEN WHY ARE YOU MAKING THEM NOW


My case on Exar is not based on association. I added the association bit so that you can see what I intend to push if Exar flips red.
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
August 02 2013 22:36 GMT
#3720
On August 03 2013 07:33 hzflank wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2013 07:32 Clarity_nl wrote:
On August 03 2013 07:30 hzflank wrote:
On August 03 2013 07:26 Koshi wrote:
Without doubt I am going to get lynched this game at some point. First time for everything!


Nope. They have a cop and a Vet who have the entire scum team nailed. After they kill Rayn they would need to waste 2 night-kills on me. Their only chance is to persuade people not to vote with me. But..I am confirmed town afterall!

They will concede before you are lynched.


hz, all these leaps you're making to somehow paint me scum.
Remember the time when you asked me why I was so town? Those were good times man. Can we go back to those?

At the very least can we lynch two scum before me?


Sure. We lynch Exar. If he flips scum then we lynch Cora. If he flips Godfather then we lynch you. Deal?


I agree to two thirds of this plan.

Let's talk about exar flipping town, who do you wanna lynch then? Still CJS or maybe a Koshi/Stutters? (probably stutters)

Also, if we flip two goons, will you still think I'm scum?
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