On July 28 2013 22:59 hzflank wrote: Lol Oats, so obvious. Oats and Paper both scum, FT and JAT both town.
Vivax probably town. He thinks I am scum because I seemed to be soft defending JAT.
I know right hzflank. I totally should stop pushing FT because it makes me look extremely scummy. Can you use your brain for one moment and explain why I would stop voting for FT as scum?
On July 28 2013 22:43 Oatsmaster wrote:
On July 28 2013 22:24 Clarity_nl wrote: Nah I don't think FT is scum anymore yo. I'm having issues with paper, yes he looks scummy but there's never been any pushbacks up until now, when suddenly and FT wagon is being formed (which makes sense, his posting is kinda scummy)
It's that interaction where we was SUPER EXCITED HE FOUND A SCUMSLIP that happened, can't really see him as anything but town after that in my eyes.
yeah yeah you're right. Good job clarity. ##unvote FT ##vote: JAT
That information was all available before you voted for FT. Are you not reading the thread properly again, Oats? You cannot change your mind based on information that was available before you formed the original opinion.
Wait so you are saying that I unvoted because of what scum agenda? I dont see it anywhere.
A simple scum reasoning could be because you thought that you had more chance to secure a lynch on JAT than on FT.
On July 28 2013 23:04 Oatsmaster wrote: So CJS, is vayne your only scumread?
No. You are still my other one. No one else seems to agree with me though. It makes me sad =(
Malongo's activity has been really disappointing to me. I'm not sure why FirmTofu say that his activity has been good when in fact it has been shit.
Stutters also came in, took a shot at me, and then peaced out without giving any real analysis. I'm not entirely sure if I can see any town motivation in that.
I just think that these are two people to look out for and I would be up for lynching any of the four players (Oatsmaster, VayneAuthority, Malongo, Stutters) today. I'm still not sold on the FirmTofu argument (I'll have to read it again when I have more rum) and I'm really not sold on the Paperscraps or JAT argument.
do you have any scumreads at all? Other then saying that JAtownie "looks bad" I don't really see it. And even this accusation of him looking bad is after Oats posted a giant case on him....
On July 28 2013 01:26 Koshi wrote: Let's talk people that look bad atm. justanothertownie
Horrible first post. Horrible second post. 3 4 5 6 7 8
You only give your reasons for suspecting him of being scum after you have a townread on him.
On July 28 2013 04:14 Oatsmaster wrote: FT, thoughts on justanothertownie?
Give me some time yo.
Well, my filter isn't exactly huge....
I would like to repeat my earlier request:
On July 28 2013 02:20 justanothertownie wrote: Would you mind explaining why i am on your lynch list koshi? Why do you think my posts are so bad?
Please explain yourself. You just stated I am scummy and provided absolutely no reasoning for that to be the case. Other than that you aren't scumhunting at all...
Oh I missed that question earlier.
I was wrong about you. I don't think you are scummy anymore.
I thought you were scummy because of your first 2 posts. But now it seems more like you didn't had a good feel into this game yet and tried your luck with making 2 cases.
I am actually leaning town on you now.
Other than this, you've posted your "willing to lynch" lists but they have basically been JAtownie and a bunch of lurkers/non-posters.... and vayne who is trolling.
Who do you currently want to lynch?
In one of my first games I didn't know what to do so I started out with making 2 cases, both cases were horrible because I was new to the game, and I received a decent amount of flak for it. But I continued playing trying to learn and post 1 liners to help town. I see the same in JAT currently.
My fav lynch target can be found in the lists I make and will make.
Okay, and that's cute and innocent and stuff but being wrong does not a scum make. Go scumhunt, find scum. Making a list of 5 people which includes 4 lurkers and the current thread sentiment target, and then taking back the suspicion on the current thread sentiment target, does not make for a useful list.
Who do you currently want to lynch, and why? One name, couple of reasons. C'mon
On July 28 2013 22:59 hzflank wrote: Lol Oats, so obvious. Oats and Paper both scum, FT and JAT both town.
Vivax probably town. He thinks I am scum because I seemed to be soft defending JAT.
I know right hzflank. I totally should stop pushing FT because it makes me look extremely scummy. Can you use your brain for one moment and explain why I would stop voting for FT as scum?
On July 28 2013 22:43 Oatsmaster wrote:
On July 28 2013 22:24 Clarity_nl wrote: Nah I don't think FT is scum anymore yo. I'm having issues with paper, yes he looks scummy but there's never been any pushbacks up until now, when suddenly and FT wagon is being formed (which makes sense, his posting is kinda scummy)
It's that interaction where we was SUPER EXCITED HE FOUND A SCUMSLIP that happened, can't really see him as anything but town after that in my eyes.
yeah yeah you're right. Good job clarity. ##unvote FT ##vote: JAT
That information was all available before you voted for FT. Are you not reading the thread properly again, Oats? You cannot change your mind based on information that was available before you formed the original opinion.
Wait so you are saying that I unvoted because of what scum agenda? I dont see it anywhere.
A simple scum reasoning could be because you thought that you had more chance to secure a lynch on JAT than on FT.
Are you serious? Who do you see wanting to lynch JAT? Vivax ONLY. FT more people dont view so well.
Presuming im not horrible at playing scum, would scumoats do it? Fuck I wish marv was here to explain.
On July 28 2013 23:04 Oatsmaster wrote: So CJS, is vayne your only scumread?
No. You are still my other one. No one else seems to agree with me though. It makes me sad =(
Malongo's activity has been really disappointing to me. I'm not sure why FirmTofu say that his activity has been good when in fact it has been shit.
Stutters also came in, took a shot at me, and then peaced out without giving any real analysis. I'm not entirely sure if I can see any town motivation in that.
I just think that these are two people to look out for and I would be up for lynching any of the four players (Oatsmaster, VayneAuthority, Malongo, Stutters) today. I'm still not sold on the FirmTofu argument (I'll have to read it again when I have more rum) and I'm really not sold on the Paperscraps or JAT argument.
What part of Paper's play made him not scum?
Well I truly believe that Paper's first few posts were him trying to just be sarcastic and funny. Everyone wants to see scum motivation in every single word someone posts, but I think we need to see Paper's joke votes as just that: joke votes. As someone who always tries to act myself, I can tell that Paper was just trying to have fun. So what has Paper done since then? He has given out a bunch of reads (albeit most of them were town) and he has been clear in what he wants (Vivax and JAT, perhaps Rayn or Malongo if their activity doesn't pick up) and he is asking questions and he doesn't look like he is hiding everything. Not very scummy, if you ask me.
On July 28 2013 23:22 Oatsmaster wrote: Are you serious? Who do you see wanting to lynch JAT? Vivax ONLY. FT more people dont view so well.
At the time that you posted it looked a lot easier to secure a lynch on JAT than FT. As well as Vivax, Clairty and I would not of voted FT but may have voted JAT.
On July 28 2013 23:22 Oatsmaster wrote: Presuming im not horrible at playing scum, would scumoats do it? Fuck I wish marv was here to explain.
It would not be the best scum play as you ideally would not want your target (JAT) to be lynched while eyes are also on a scum-buddy. It's not an impossible scum play though, just very difficult to pull off well (get a third party lynched).
I'll concede on that last point as there would be no reason for scum to make such a big play on day 1.
do you have any scumreads at all? Other then saying that JAtownie "looks bad" I don't really see it. And even this accusation of him looking bad is after Oats posted a giant case on him....
On July 28 2013 01:26 Koshi wrote: Let's talk people that look bad atm. justanothertownie
Horrible first post. Horrible second post. 3 4 5 6 7 8
You only give your reasons for suspecting him of being scum after you have a townread on him.
On July 28 2013 04:14 Oatsmaster wrote: FT, thoughts on justanothertownie?
Give me some time yo.
Well, my filter isn't exactly huge....
I would like to repeat my earlier request:
On July 28 2013 02:20 justanothertownie wrote: Would you mind explaining why i am on your lynch list koshi? Why do you think my posts are so bad?
Please explain yourself. You just stated I am scummy and provided absolutely no reasoning for that to be the case. Other than that you aren't scumhunting at all...
Oh I missed that question earlier.
I was wrong about you. I don't think you are scummy anymore.
I thought you were scummy because of your first 2 posts. But now it seems more like you didn't had a good feel into this game yet and tried your luck with making 2 cases.
I am actually leaning town on you now.
Other than this, you've posted your "willing to lynch" lists but they have basically been JAtownie and a bunch of lurkers/non-posters.... and vayne who is trolling.
Who do you currently want to lynch?
In one of my first games I didn't know what to do so I started out with making 2 cases, both cases were horrible because I was new to the game, and I received a decent amount of flak for it. But I continued playing trying to learn and post 1 liners to help town. I see the same in JAT currently.
My fav lynch target can be found in the lists I make and will make.
Okay, and that's cute and innocent and stuff but being wrong does not a scum make. Go scumhunt, find scum. Making a list of 5 people which includes 4 lurkers and the current thread sentiment target, and then taking back the suspicion on the current thread sentiment target, does not make for a useful list.
Who do you currently want to lynch, and why? One name, couple of reasons. C'mon
My current lynchpool: raynpelikoneet Malongo VayneAuthority Stutters695
I have put ??? after these players but I can let them live another day: hzflank
do you have any scumreads at all? Other then saying that JAtownie "looks bad" I don't really see it. And even this accusation of him looking bad is after Oats posted a giant case on him....
On July 28 2013 01:26 Koshi wrote: Let's talk people that look bad atm. justanothertownie
Horrible first post. Horrible second post. 3 4 5 6 7 8
You only give your reasons for suspecting him of being scum after you have a townread on him.
On July 28 2013 04:14 Oatsmaster wrote: FT, thoughts on justanothertownie?
Give me some time yo.
Well, my filter isn't exactly huge....
I would like to repeat my earlier request:
On July 28 2013 02:20 justanothertownie wrote: Would you mind explaining why i am on your lynch list koshi? Why do you think my posts are so bad?
Please explain yourself. You just stated I am scummy and provided absolutely no reasoning for that to be the case. Other than that you aren't scumhunting at all...
Oh I missed that question earlier.
I was wrong about you. I don't think you are scummy anymore.
I thought you were scummy because of your first 2 posts. But now it seems more like you didn't had a good feel into this game yet and tried your luck with making 2 cases.
I am actually leaning town on you now.
Other than this, you've posted your "willing to lynch" lists but they have basically been JAtownie and a bunch of lurkers/non-posters.... and vayne who is trolling.
Who do you currently want to lynch?
In one of my first games I didn't know what to do so I started out with making 2 cases, both cases were horrible because I was new to the game, and I received a decent amount of flak for it. But I continued playing trying to learn and post 1 liners to help town. I see the same in JAT currently.
My fav lynch target can be found in the lists I make and will make.
Okay, and that's cute and innocent and stuff but being wrong does not a scum make. Go scumhunt, find scum. Making a list of 5 people which includes 4 lurkers and the current thread sentiment target, and then taking back the suspicion on the current thread sentiment target, does not make for a useful list.
Who do you currently want to lynch, and why? One name, couple of reasons. C'mon
My current lynchpool: raynpelikoneet Malongo VayneAuthority Stutters695
I have put ??? after these players but I can let them live another day: hzflank
do you have any scumreads at all? Other then saying that JAtownie "looks bad" I don't really see it. And even this accusation of him looking bad is after Oats posted a giant case on him....
On July 28 2013 01:26 Koshi wrote: Let's talk people that look bad atm. justanothertownie
Horrible first post. Horrible second post. 3 4 5 6 7 8
You only give your reasons for suspecting him of being scum after you have a townread on him.
On July 28 2013 04:14 Oatsmaster wrote: FT, thoughts on justanothertownie?
Give me some time yo.
Well, my filter isn't exactly huge....
I would like to repeat my earlier request:
On July 28 2013 02:20 justanothertownie wrote: Would you mind explaining why i am on your lynch list koshi? Why do you think my posts are so bad?
Please explain yourself. You just stated I am scummy and provided absolutely no reasoning for that to be the case. Other than that you aren't scumhunting at all...
Oh I missed that question earlier.
I was wrong about you. I don't think you are scummy anymore.
I thought you were scummy because of your first 2 posts. But now it seems more like you didn't had a good feel into this game yet and tried your luck with making 2 cases.
I am actually leaning town on you now.
Other than this, you've posted your "willing to lynch" lists but they have basically been JAtownie and a bunch of lurkers/non-posters.... and vayne who is trolling.
Who do you currently want to lynch?
In one of my first games I didn't know what to do so I started out with making 2 cases, both cases were horrible because I was new to the game, and I received a decent amount of flak for it. But I continued playing trying to learn and post 1 liners to help town. I see the same in JAT currently.
My fav lynch target can be found in the lists I make and will make.
Okay, and that's cute and innocent and stuff but being wrong does not a scum make. Go scumhunt, find scum. Making a list of 5 people which includes 4 lurkers and the current thread sentiment target, and then taking back the suspicion on the current thread sentiment target, does not make for a useful list.
Who do you currently want to lynch, and why? One name, couple of reasons. C'mon
My current lynchpool: raynpelikoneet Malongo VayneAuthority Stutters695
I have put ??? after these players but I can let them live another day: hzflank
On July 28 2013 23:22 Oatsmaster wrote: Are you serious? Who do you see wanting to lynch JAT? Vivax ONLY. FT more people dont view so well.
At the time that you posted it looked a lot easier to secure a lynch on JAT than FT. As well as Vivax, Clairty and I would not of voted FT but may have voted JAT.
On July 28 2013 23:22 Oatsmaster wrote: Presuming im not horrible at playing scum, would scumoats do it? Fuck I wish marv was here to explain.
It would not be the best scum play as you ideally would not want your target (JAT) to be lynched while eyes are also on a scum-buddy. It's not an impossible scum play though, just very difficult to pull off well (get a third party lynched).
I'll concede on that last point as there would be no reason for scum to make such a big play on day 1.
Still, why are you so sure that Paper is town?
Because I just reread his filter, its townie through and through man. Hes trying his best and shit. It isnt the longest filter ever, read it again.
Actually I changed my mind, I am hereby begging a Vig to just shoot JAT right now because I am pissed off that he is going to be afk until the deadline and that I have found myself in a position where I feel I need to defend him even though every post he has made has been scummy. Someone just shoot him now please :/
I am really surprised that people do not think Paper is scum so I will make a proper case on it shortly. I disagree with the reasons people are giving for him being town.
Also, Koshi what are you doing? I see no good reason for you making that list. Get stuck in properly and stop sitting on a fence.
On July 28 2013 23:37 hzflank wrote: Actually I changed my mind, I am hereby begging a Vig to just shoot JAT right now because I am pissed off that he is going to be afk until the deadline and that I have found myself in a position where I feel I need to defend him even though every post he has made has been scummy. Someone just shoot him now please :/
I'll shoot him!
Darn, wet powder. Find someone who has a working gun, and give him some rum!
On July 28 2013 15:30 FirmTofu wrote: Hey guys, I was busy with my other game, but I'm back now for a bit. I'll answer any questions if you have them. I've going to sleep soon though.
Hey, do you still think exarezee is a good lynch for today? I am leaning town on him right now. If anything I think there are better lynches, such as Vivax or JAT. Also I think my initial read on hzflank was hasty, after re reading his filter I find him being a possible lynch choice as well.
exarezee is a great lynch for today and I don't think we'll get a better one. Even if you aren't convinced by my case, you can always read his responses and see if they look town to you.
If I thought his responses were adequate, I would have backed off immediately. The problem is that his defense is pretty meager. First of all, he didn't answer half of my case. He picked and chose the points he felt he could defend strongly. Secondly, almost his entire defensive is in a dismissive tone where he just goes to each point and says, "That isn't true because I'm town." If he was town he'd be addressing my points directly.
Also, I find it odd that he isn't voting me after I posted such a lengthy case against him. Remember, he found me scummy before the case, so why doesn't he find me more scummy after it? After all, from his point of view, I'm tunneling a townie. If I were town in his position, I think I would fight back with accusations, not just defensive posts.
I kinda want to lynch Koshi now. I can't explain him not giving a read with reasons as town, but I can't explain it if he's scum either. Doesn't make sense as either alignment = scum.
On July 28 2013 23:35 VayneAuthority wrote: Don't you feel he's scared that im vig or something and will shoot him oats? He doesnt actually give a good reason for lynching me. Haha.
I dont know if hes scared scum or town though
What's this random mention of vigi? If you were vigi (which is town only) why would you shoot someone trying to lynch you, or why would the person trying to lynch you be afraid of that. I'm confused.
I will not be afk till the deadline if you want something from me just say it... I'll be here for over an hour till I leave. Nobody forces you to defend me if you think I am scummy. In fact you shouldn't.
On July 28 2013 15:37 FirmTofu wrote: Malongo is playing oddly different from his town games. Usually he lurks and is completely useless. I'm not sure what changed this time around.
Anyone have any questions for me to answer? I'm gonna try and dive some filters now.
On July 28 2013 15:30 FirmTofu wrote: Hey guys, I was busy with my other game, but I'm back now for a bit. I'll answer any questions if you have them. I've going to sleep soon though.
Hey, do you still think exarezee is a good lynch for today? I am leaning town on him right now. If anything I think there are better lynches, such as Vivax or JAT. Also I think my initial read on hzflank was hasty, after re reading his filter I find him being a possible lynch choice as well.
exarezee is a great lynch for today and I don't think we'll get a better one. Even if you aren't convinced by my case, you can always read his responses and see if they look town to you.
If I thought his responses were adequate, I would have backed off immediately. The problem is that his defense is pretty meager. First of all, he didn't answer half of my case. He picked and chose the points he felt he could defend strongly. Secondly, almost his entire defensive is in a dismissive tone where he just goes to each point and says, "That isn't true because I'm town." If he was town he'd be addressing my points directly.
Also, I find it odd that he isn't voting me after I posted such a lengthy case against him. Remember, he found me scummy before the case, so why doesn't he find me more scummy after it? After all, from his point of view, I'm tunneling a townie. If I were town in his position, I think I would fight back with accusations, not just defensive posts.
I have answered all your questions. Even though paper thinks I shouldn't answer all your questions. I have to vote you because you vote me? What kind of logic is that? I think your role is associated with paper's role and vice versa which is why I don't mind you as a wagon. It's just absolutely ludicrous that you think I should find you scummy for voting me.
I just woke up. Will re-read and see if I think anybody is better than paper/tofu to wagon right now.
On July 28 2013 23:44 justanothertownie wrote: I will not be afk till the deadline if you want something from me just say it... I'll be here for over an hour till I leave. Nobody forces you to defend me if you think I am scummy. In fact you shouldn't.
But if you do not defend yourself and I push my read then I am defending you by proxy. If I do not push my read then I am just playing badly. It's a lose/lose situation for me. It's not your fault ofcourse as I do not expect people to give up RL for this game. I just should of been more careful before I put myself in this situation.
Why are you still on this silly idea that having two wagons is a good idea? It is not. It allows scum to control the lynch by swinging their votes on one person or the other.
Here's some advice for you: find your biggest scumread, and vote for them. Savvy?