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Paperscraps
United States639 Posts
On July 28 2013 18:28 hzflank wrote: Also, you did not answer any of my other questions. I don't really plan on answering it either. I shouldn't have to go through another person's whole filter and outline what I think are good reads or insight. You can choose to agree or disagree. That is all that really matters. | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
Can anyone other than Oats and Vayne give me a good reason to move my vote off of Paper? | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
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Vivax
22393 Posts
Couldn't I get anyone warm for lynching a troll? Guess this forum will never learn. | ||
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
I did not intend my vote to stick on Paper and thought that there was a very good chance I would move it once he started to post. But then his posts changed my mind. He is both playing like scum (lots of town reads, no scum reads, mimicking sentiment) and his posts were inconsistent regarding reads. His best answer was that he had not properly read the thread and as a responsible player I cannot just let that be a good defense unless it is obviously true. I did start to prepare a case on Oats yesterday but I cancelled it shortly after starting. As I was writing it I became less sure that Oats was scum and I did not want to post a case that I did not believe in myself. That is fairly normal for me as I seem to be good at convincing myself that someone is not scum. Now I am of the opinion that unless something changes then Paper has a better chance of flipping scum than anyone else. Therefore, I would personally like to lynch Paper today and have a hard look at associations after he flips. | ||
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
On July 28 2013 19:06 Vivax wrote: Hi guys, if anyone suspecting me could write a short summary for the reasons or point me to a post where they have written such, I'd be grateful. Rereading the game now. Couldn't I get anyone warm for lynching a troll? Guess this forum will never learn. Vayne has posted some content between his trolling. If you are going to push a lynch on him then I would suggest basing it on the content rather than the trolling. Lynching someone for trolling and ignoring the content that they have posted is just flipping a coin and I do not think that coin flipping is the best move at the moment. | ||
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Vivax
22393 Posts
I'm just aware that between doing nothing and posting what you call content, he spent his time posting a lot of bullshit, that's also content, and specifically, content lacking town-motivation. If I post 10 one liners with stupid shit and one line of reads, do you ignore all the stupid shit and only evaluate the line of reads for your purposes or do you also take into consideration that I wasted time posting shit, in forming your read on me? | ||
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
On July 28 2013 20:11 Vivax wrote: I do not ignore his content. I'm just aware that between doing nothing and posting what you call content, he spent his time posting a lot of bullshit, that's also content, and specifically, content lacking town-motivation. If I post 10 one liners with stupid shit and one line of reads, do you ignore all the stupid shit and only evaluate the line of reads for your purposes or do you also take into consideration that I wasted time posting shit, in forming your read on me? I take it all into account. But the thing is no one can really discuss his trolling with you as there is not much to say about it. Regarding the content that he has posted: There is a read change on Paper for a bad reason, but I could not use that as a reason to vote for Vayne unless I know Paper's alignment. On July 27 2013 13:25 VayneAuthority wrote: Yea it's classic scum play but I've never played with him before so not jumping to any conclusions. Scum are the first ones to make facetious comments like that last post you quoted. We'll have to keep an eye on him at the least. On July 27 2013 13:29 VayneAuthority wrote: it's a subtle character attack that paperscraps is using there to discredit him. Pretty standard scum play. im like 99% sure exar is town just by the way the thread is receiving him. On July 28 2013 00:14 VayneAuthority wrote: no way paper is mafia with how many people suspect him. Tofu is possible given his play in this game so far but gots to see more. Don't give a shit about day 1 usually anyway lalala Vayne thinks that JAT is too useless to lynch but would make a good Vig shot. Again there is no way I can justify lynching Vayne over that at this point. On July 28 2013 00:24 VayneAuthority wrote: pretty useless I guess? Vig him if we have one. Don't waste a lynch on him. He tells Exar that he is tunnelling Paper too much, but again that is not useful on its own. On July 28 2013 13:58 VayneAuthority wrote: Your endless tunneling is giving me doubts exar. At this point you are basically Nick Swardson. Basically, any case I could make for Vayne being scum is solidly based on association with Paper. As I already think that Paper is scum it would be bad play for me to want to see Vayne lynched before Paper. | ||
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Vivax
22393 Posts
Also good that you mention Paper. I want to discuss him some more with you since you snapped on him pretty early. Tell me if those parts of his list of reads seem scum motivated to you: CapJackSparrow null - I totally dig his RP gimmick so far and I am biased toward him in a good way. I want to say I lean town on him, but I would hold judgement on his alignment for now. Koshi leaning town - Koshi is a odd ball so far. I like that he town reads me, haha. I mostly agree with the lists he has made so far. | ||
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Vivax
22393 Posts
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
On July 28 2013 20:27 Vivax wrote: Good that you mention that stuff, didn't even read his filter since i wrote the above posts. Guess I'll get off Vayne if he keeps it up. Also good that you mention Paper. I want to discuss him some more with you since you snapped on him pretty early. Tell me if those parts of his list of reads seem scum motivated to you: These reads do not seem scum motivated to me (no hidden agenda that I can see). I think that CJS is likely town so his read matches mine except for different reasons. CJS is actually not role-playing that much, but instead seems to be playing a good town game with a tiny bit of roleplay on top. I am not sure about Koshi, he also seems to be playing a little odd, but I am not confident enough in his alignment to give him a town read. Overall, those reads by Paper are fairly generic and similar to what I perceive to be general thread sentiment. Paper could of made those reads as either town or scum. | ||
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justanothertownie
16326 Posts
On July 28 2013 15:35 FirmTofu wrote: No, I didn't say JAT having a town read on me is a town tell. That's simply untrue. I said he has me as a town read. Now, scum usually have some town as town reads. That is not meaningful in itself, however, when it's coupled with the fact that he has a lot of posts that indicate that his town read on me is somewhat justifiable from a town perspective. If you would like, I'll quote them for you. I'm not going to sheep you if you make a good case. I'll consider voting him if you make a good case. There's a big difference there. Yes, my read on you was justifiable at that point but where do you see a lot of posts that would indicate this? Sounds weird to me. I would love to lynch VA for his attitude towards the game but if he always plays like this then there is nothing about him that indicates any alignment. But I would like to know why Vayne thinks Oats voting Tofu is good? Also I'm still not content with Koshis explanation of his reads. So you actually don't have any scumread anymore besides the troll and the lurkers? For now I still think Paper is a good lynch. His reads do not impress me. Oats leaning town - I am really hoping Oats is town, his reads and post so far have been great. His comprehension of what is going on is probably the best so far. What? Please explain this. Vayne leaning town - not sure what to think of vayne as of yet, he comes in every so often and drops some knowledge. I think his vote on clarity is pretty bad though. His filter strikes me as town though. I don't know if we read the posts of the same person... Koshi leaning town - Koshi is a odd ball so far. I like that he town reads me, haha. I mostly agree with the lists he has made so far. Yeah, that's because you both don't have any real scumreads.... or do you really think Vivax is scum? Or that I am? ##Vote: Paperscraps | ||
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
On July 28 2013 20:30 Vivax wrote: hz, what's your current read on justanothertownie? That's a really good question. When Oats made his case against JAT it was actually a pretty good case and I was a little surprised that it did not gather more support or at least positive comments. JAT's filter starts bad and does not get a lot better. I think the reason that I have been giving JAT the benefit of doubt is because for most of the game I really have not trusted Oats. I did consider moving my vote to JAT but I wanted Paper to post before I moved my vote. Looking without any associations then JAT seems like scum to me. In fact, the thing that confuses me most about this game so far is that more people did not vote for JAT and then Oats moved his vote off of JAT when he did. I am not going to be able to figure out why this happened until I see some flips, though. | ||
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Aquanim
Australia2849 Posts
Paperscraps (3) hzflank exarezee justanothertownie FirmTofu (2) Oatsmaster Malongo Clarity_nl (1) VayneAuthority Stutters695 (1) Vivax Oatsmaster (1) Captain Jack exarezee (1) FirmTofu Not Voting Clarity_nl, raynpelikoneet, Paperscraps, Stutters695, Koshi Tell me if I missed anyone. Deadline is in ! | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On July 28 2013 20:49 hzflank wrote: That's a really good question. When Oats made his case against JAT it was actually a pretty good case and I was a little surprised that it did not gather more support or at least positive comments. JAT's filter starts bad and does not get a lot better. I think the reason that I have been giving JAT the benefit of doubt is because for most of the game I really have not trusted Oats. I did consider moving my vote to JAT but I wanted Paper to post before I moved my vote. Looking without any associations then JAT seems like scum to me. In fact, the thing that confuses me most about this game so far is that more people did not vote for JAT and then Oats moved his vote off of JAT when he did. I am not going to be able to figure out why this happened until I see some flips, though. FT more scum  Also, I can wait for JAT to get lynched. Are you gonna vote for FT? Why/why not? | ||
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Stutters695
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
Expect a lot of reads after i have actually read the thread. | ||
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
On July 28 2013 21:37 Oatsmaster wrote: FT more scum Also, I can wait for JAT to get lynched. Are you gonna vote for FT? Why/why not? No, I am not going to vote for FT (unless something drastic happens). I think that you are misreading my position. FT is far from my strongest town reads, but is just about in the town category and I only want to vote for someone in the scum category. There is a good pool of players who you might get to vote for FT (Clarity, Exar, Vayne, Paper, Koshi, Stutters, Vivax and Rayn), but I am not one of those people. I do not like your reasoning for wanting to lynch FT. If I were going to lynch FT it would primarily be due to his exchange with Exar that I think should of left FT with a town read on Exar, but apparently did not. Even that is not a good enough reason for lynching him, though. I want to lynch Paper. Just look at what was posted a few hours ago. Paper looks at least as scummy as anyone in that exchange, if not more. Also, Paper's flip would provide great information. The best information we would get from an FT red flip is that it makes Exar look more town and makes me look more scum, and I obviously do not care about that information. If FT flips green then what? It makes Exar look slightly bad I suppose, but it is not much. I am willing to give Paper a chance to change my mind because it is day 1 and it would be stupid of me not to. However, I do not intend to make it easy for him and I would not be surprised if he just ends up looking even more like scum (because he is!) | ||
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