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austinmcc
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Rolecop seems like an odd role for a closed setup. Especially if cora claims he didn't know he was a rolecop, and got back detective on himself. Like...if HE didn't understand what his role was exactly, getting a rolecop check that says "detective" (the role that wasn't clear in the first place) is...not helpful? At all. As in, he apparently only knows he's a rolecop because he checked himself, but he didn't understand that he was a rolecop and wouldn't have except that his check came back with his role. That seems wonky. I also don't terribly understand the need for a rolecop town side if we have a regular cop. Yes, we might have sanity issues, but that's PURE speculation right now, and the rolecop specifically is kinda funky. I know before I said it was a bad fakeclaim for scum, and I still feel that way. But I don't think a rolecop is a bad role for scum in general, especially if scum has a roleblocker. Rolecop helps figure out townie roles for the blocker to block. TG still probably scum, imo. Nothing has changed the fact he hit x-1. He got there because of posts that were scummy, imo, strike one. He didn't get lynched despite being 1 vote away, strike two. The roleblock is kinda strike three. It's a big old pile of WIFOM if you want to mess with it, but the fact is that TG has done more than just get roleblocked. Looked at in the context of the rest of the game, it doesn't unscummy him. Looked at in context, I shade the WIFOM game towards him being scum and being fake RBed for cred. Don't sleep on FiveTouch. Marv can play a perfectly townie looking scum game. So can VE. Two people can be quite active. I also wouldn't trust DT checks on him, and think he's a bad check target, given that some games allow you to assign GF role if there is one, and I'd expect a scum team to plop it in their hands. If 5T isn't dead in 2-3 nights, he needs lynching. People will balk at that, but it's true. Do not leave him for endgame. I dislike jrkirby's answers to some of my questions last night, but again, I think that makes him slightly townie in my eyes. He's somewhat connected to TG's alignment, as is Onegu, but he was so willing to give answers that felt really wrong to me (TG scumhunted D1 when he never posted any scumhunting til 45 minutes before deadline, and even then it was just two basic reads on people that had been talked about plenty), that I don't really see him for scum. Scum probably takes a little more care in answering questions like that or saying things like that, rather than calling some dude town based on super super wonky reasons (Which, damnit, is something I like looking for, and if TG is town then maybe makes jrkirby look weird for it but then jrkirby chose not to lynch so...ugh). Whatever, I got a townie feeling on him. HAS ANYONE READ OATSMASTER'S D3? GO AND READ IT. READ D3 and N3. I still see him putting 0 effort into actually scumhunting. He's throwing a bunch of questions around, but not really doing anything with any of them, and he's just entirely peripheral. I don't care if he wanted to be lazy D1, didn't want to put in effort, whatever. He basically did the same D3, except for poking at people for no reason. Look at his questions and watch for followup: he asks 5T about whether TG is scum if he was actually roleblocked, didn't read the whole discussion on that, doesn't go and find it, absolutely never ever ever ever ever follows up on that bit. He swaps over to playing with cora, but then concludes nothing about cora (Despite noting that rolecop was often a scum role earlier in the day and calling cora a scum rolecop, he's entirely alignment-neutral when just poking at him later during this night phase). | ||
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austinmcc
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On July 26 2013 11:38 getmoript wrote: Yes. Pew! Pew pew pew!@Austin... you around? | ||
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austinmcc
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steel cut oats. HAHAHAHAHAHA. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. IT DOESN'T REALLY WORK BUT I WISH IT DID. | ||
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Oatsmaster
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VE is not capable of being active as scum. Why are you blatantly lying Austin? Day 3, who was there? None of my scum reads. Austin is super capable of posting long posts as scum. I dont know about cora actually, he made me laugh so thats a towntell. I have no idea where you are going with the 'concludes nothing' considering I didnt even poke him. I didnt follow up on the TG RB thing because there is no way to know if scum RB'ed him or he is scum and they withheld the RB to claim it on him. You see how there is nothing to conclude? | ||
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austinmcc
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On July 26 2013 11:47 Oatsmaster wrote: You've got a span of 5-6 posts on cora, a wtf, calling his wording in a post "careful", calling him uncommital. Often, careful/uncommital might indicate you think someone is scummy. I'd consider those poking within the game, given they're often indicia of a specific read.austin scum. SHOOT HIM! VE is not capable of being active as scum. Why are you blatantly lying Austin? Day 3, who was there? None of my scum reads. Austin is super capable of posting long posts as scum. I dont know about cora actually, he made me laugh so thats a towntell. I have no idea where you are going with the 'concludes nothing' considering I didnt even poke him. I didnt follow up on the TG RB thing because there is no way to know if scum RB'ed him or he is scum and they withheld the RB to claim it on him. You see how there is nothing to conclude? If there's nothing to conclude about TG's RB, then there's nothing to ASK. You asked marv whether scum RBing TG made TG still scum. You asked him to point out the posts where this was discussed. But if there's no conclusion to be drawn, there was a never a question to be asked. | ||
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getmoript
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On July 22 2013 14:06 getmoript wrote: Ja. JJD is town. But he just doesn't get it. That makes me giggle inside. Time to get konk On July 22 2013 14:23 getmoript wrote: Look JJD. You need to get your ass in here now. You're playing with the big boys so you better watch your step. Go vote tang. Hell. I've said a few times that I have hella meta read on you and you had 0 clue. Like you easily should've known and that would tell you both that I'm town by how I've played and by who I am. On top of that, both my amount and type of activity should've been a huge hint. On July 26 2013 06:57 JarJarDrinks wrote: I didn't mean regardless of whether he flips town or scum. I meant regardless of him being roleblocker or not. First off, this makes no sense. If Scum still have a roleblocker (after a TAA scum lynch), then they can just block me and kill someone else. I know if I were them I'd take my chances with a town vig block me and kill a town Marv. I still don't know my sanity (could be anything except naive) so a d3 check against them isn't that bad especially if they have a GF and/or framer. By the exact flip, I literally mean a Scum RB flip. There's a million good lines of play available dependent on who that last couple scum are and what they have left (especially if they have a rb left). You're a better town player than this. When you said "Guess that means we might be dead tonight" I just assumed that u meant: now that you know there's no scum roleblocker. It didn't occur to me that you meant: now that we know he's scum, because you already had a red check. Why would us finding scum make an actual difference? Town hasn't been following my lead for the most part and has been arguing against my points. I've been bending to not push my reads as firmly as I could and allow myself to accept other's reads. Even if I'm confirmed town it doesn't necessarily mean that it's the right time to kill me. What I read is, "That guy's dead tonight. So whatevs." I have no defense for the TAA thing. I honestly never thought TAA was scummy @ all untill after the redcheck. And I said originally why I thought you were scummy. I asked a few times for you to explain why you had a town meta read on me which you didn't answer. But you're right, I never really pursued it much further. I didn't think I really had a chance of getting people to believe you were scum because nobody really seemed suspicious of you at all. So I focused on my other reads @ the time. Except here's the thing, I know you. You can look at a filter and try and assess who's scum and why. I made some damn good points on TAA twice in my D1 filter. But all that got swept under the rug. You never even stopping to read my filter and assess when/how/where I'm making cases is a huge ding against you. You're better than that as town. | ||
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Oatsmaster
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On July 26 2013 11:50 austinmcc wrote: You've got a span of 5-6 posts on cora, a wtf, calling his wording in a post "careful", calling him uncommital. Often, careful/uncommital might indicate you think someone is scummy. I'd consider those poking within the game, given they're often indicia of a specific read. If there's nothing to conclude about TG's RB, then there's nothing to ASK. You asked marv whether scum RBing TG made TG still scum. You asked him to point out the posts where this was discussed. But if there's no conclusion to be drawn, there was a never a question to be asked. So what do I conclude? That hes scum? That whole part is not really that alignment indicative, Is it austin. I asked a bad question, have you ever asked bad questions? I guess not austin. | ||
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getmoript
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On July 26 2013 11:40 austinmcc wrote: Don't sleep on FiveTouch. Marv can play a perfectly townie looking scum game. So can VE. Two people can be quite active. I also wouldn't trust DT checks on him, and think he's a bad check target, given that some games allow you to assign GF role if there is one, and I'd expect a scum team to plop it in their hands. If 5T isn't dead in 2-3 nights, he needs lynching. People will balk at that, but it's true. Do not leave him for endgame. I wanted to make some points on Marv/VE, but honestly I trust them. The only point that you should even consider lynching Marv/VE is if their preferred lynches for the next 2 days are both town, then they're possibly scum. But honestly I'm not seeing it. Marv/VE both supported my TAA push a few times when he easily could've diverted a few different ways. They're both good enough to do that. I consider them obv town, far moreso than austin. If anything, considering lynching them at LYLO but not before... Speak of LYLO. Onegu. Let me repeat myself. DO NOT SHOOT. DON'T SHOOT TONIGHT. DON'T SHOOT TOMMORROW. DON'T SHOOT PERIOD. | ||
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On July 26 2013 11:56 getmoript wrote: I think I do, but am always wary with marv. Beyond the basic stuff that rubbed me wrong with marv refusing to read some posts, I just...don't like how their TG read was formed entirely on the roleblock bit which is pure WIFOM, and almost not influenced by posts at all. I don't like how marv notes that TG ending D1 at x-1 votes is the strongest point in favor of him being scum when we were arguing the RB, because...him ending x-1 is sort of a defining point about D1 in general and ought to play into reads.I wanted to make some points on Marv/VE, but honestly I trust them. The only point that you should even consider lynching Marv/VE is if their preferred lynches for the next 2 days are both town, then they're possibly scum. But honestly I'm not seeing it. Marv/VE both supported my TAA push a few times when he easily could've diverted a few different ways. They're both good enough to do that. I consider them obv town, far moreso than austin. If anything, considering lynching them at LYLO but not before... Speak of LYLO. Onegu. Let me repeat myself. DO NOT SHOOT. DON'T SHOOT TONIGHT. DON'T SHOOT TOMMORROW. DON'T SHOOT PERIOD. It just feels like some of 5T's reads are ... somewhat opportunistic. I am interpreting things like that in light of some other reads, and if other reads don't play out like I think they will then 5T isn't as much a worry. But he went straight to townie on oats, went to townie on TG. It's not even all his reads though, as we seem to be somewhat in agreement on FirmTofu. I don't think being willing to call scumbuddies scummy if they warrant it is something that scum 5T wouldn't do. | ||
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TanGeng
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I think we can always do a no lynch to have the same effect as not taking a shot. | ||
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JarJarDrinks
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On July 26 2013 11:52 getmoript wrote: lulzLook Jarad. I know you haven't been reading my filter. Here's why: | ||
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On July 26 2013 12:00 TanGeng wrote: ugh I think we can always do a no lynch to have the same effect as not taking a shot. No. Accepting a No Lynch means that Scum get to control who gets shot; which means the towniest person in the thread who had 0 chance of being lynched gets gone. | ||
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