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getmoript
Profile Joined March 2013
1016 Posts
July 26 2013 03:04 GMT
#1741
On July 26 2013 12:03 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2013 11:52 getmoript wrote:
Look Jarad. I know you haven't been reading my filter. Here's why:
lulz

That all you got to say?
Hydra of geript and Cavalinho
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
July 26 2013 03:06 GMT
#1742
On July 26 2013 11:57 getmoript wrote:
@austin. Do you agree with not shooting now, not shooting ever? If not why not?
Nah.

I think that overuse of town KP can be bad, as seen somewhat in Nuclear and PTP and a buncha other games. But in this case, town isn't popping off a buncha folks. We've allegedly got one vigi, and barring this actually being a SK claiming vigi super early on which seems like a bad idea.

So given that we're not going to blow away a BUNCHA townies, and are unlikely to lose a power role as we've had a bunch claimed already, I like the idea of a shot. We have enough ?s, and some of the ?s (who are totes mcgotes mafia) inform other ?s. I think firing at scummy guy, getting rid of a lynch option and getting more information, is worth the chance of a townie dying.
Fe fi fo fum.
TanGeng
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sanya12364 Posts
July 26 2013 03:07 GMT
#1743
But the Vig shot is under Onegu control. He gets to choose who dies. I think you said before, it's sort of like a lynch, right?

But if you aren't confident about the vig shot, then it's a bad idea. The other downside is that you might give mafia two KP.

The upside to a vig shot is that if you do hit scum, you also have a lynch to work with the next day.
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TanGeng
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sanya12364 Posts
July 26 2013 03:08 GMT
#1744
Err I mean, you might give mafia two KP in a row.
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austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
July 26 2013 03:10 GMT
#1745
I mean, we can get more in depth or chat more, but there's also stuff like this being true:
On July 26 2013 12:03 getmoript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2013 12:00 TanGeng wrote:
ugh

I think we can always do a no lynch to have the same effect as not taking a shot.

No. Accepting a No Lynch means that Scum get to control who gets shot; which means the towniest person in the thread who had 0 chance of being lynched gets gone.
The towniest townies, or the townies really figuring things out, are gonna get shot. Pow pow dead.

The more kills they inform and the more flips they see, the more information they have to work with. It's not the biggest advantage ever, but I'd like super townie people to have more info and hopefully a smaller scum team to hunt down before they die. Reading that, it sounds dumber than it did in my head, but ... whatever. I like shooting dem mans so long as we're not talking about 1/2 the game getting shot.
Fe fi fo fum.
getmoript
Profile Joined March 2013
1016 Posts
July 26 2013 03:15 GMT
#1746
On July 26 2013 12:06 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2013 11:57 getmoript wrote:
@austin. Do you agree with not shooting now, not shooting ever? If not why not?
Nah.

I think that overuse of town KP can be bad, as seen somewhat in Nuclear and PTP and a buncha other games. But in this case, town isn't popping off a buncha folks. We've allegedly got one vigi, and barring this actually being a SK claiming vigi super early on which seems like a bad idea.

So given that we're not going to blow away a BUNCHA townies, and are unlikely to lose a power role as we've had a bunch claimed already, I like the idea of a shot. We have enough ?s, and some of the ?s (who are totes mcgotes mafia) inform other ?s. I think firing at scummy guy, getting rid of a lynch option and getting more information, is worth the chance of a townie dying.

For me it doesn't have anything whatsoever to do with shooting blues, etc. It's a simple numbers game:
D1 9-3 No Lynch leaves 9-3
N1 9-3 Town NK leaves 8-3
D2 8-3 Scum lynch leaves 8-2
N2 8-2 Town NK leaves 7-2
D3 7-2 Mislynch leaves 6-2
N3 6-2 NK leaves 5-2
D4 5-2 Mislynch leaves 4-2
N4 4-2 NK leaves 3-2
D5 3-2 LYLO

Whereas a shot becomes:
D1 9-3 No Lynch leaves 9-3
N1 9-3 Town NK leaves 8-3
D2 8-3 Scum lynch leaves 8-2
N2 8-2 Town NK and Town Vig NK leaves 6-2
D3 6-2 Mislynch leaves 5-2
N3 5-2 NK leaves 4-2
D4 4-2 LYLO Option here is No lynch (which is worthless IMO)
Hydra of geript and Cavalinho
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
July 26 2013 03:17 GMT
#1747
If you've got the numbers on you, do the numbers change if the shot or D3/4 lynch hit scum? If not, I'll poke around at that.
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
July 26 2013 03:20 GMT
#1748
Actually, I don't even know that I care. Essentially, in the no shoot we get 3 lynches minimum. In the shoot, we get 2 lynches and a shot minimum.

I don't think this is a case of a vigi going off half-cocked. I don't love the idea of 100% saying hold the shot a day, but holding a fake double lynch is fine by me. I'd honestly rather have 3 KP and more informed lynches earlier than 3 KP spread out and going towards lategame, where lynches sometimes get...lazy/suboptimal.
Fe fi fo fum.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
July 26 2013 03:26 GMT
#1749
I think onegu should definitely shoot today.
No gg, No skill.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 26 2013 03:35 GMT
#1750
I'd rather onegu shoot me than not at all. I seriously think it's better for town that way.
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
July 26 2013 03:38 GMT
#1751
When is deadline?
Try TL Mafia!!!
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
July 26 2013 03:38 GMT
#1752
I really just want Onegu to shoot Cora. That's like..my deepest most secretest non-secret desire.
Artanis & marv
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
July 26 2013 03:39 GMT
#1753
On July 26 2013 12:38 Onegu wrote:
When is deadline?
Should be 2:20 from now.
Fe fi fo fum.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
July 26 2013 03:39 GMT
#1754
I think there's a bit over 2 hours left.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
July 26 2013 03:40 GMT
#1755
On July 26 2013 12:38 FiveTouch wrote:
I really just want Onegu to shoot Cora. That's like..my deepest most secretest non-secret desire.

^^
No gg, No skill.
TanGeng
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sanya12364 Posts
July 26 2013 03:41 GMT
#1756
I'm ok with a delay of one day. It might get Onegu NK'd though. We have to keep the threat of shooting there.

If we want to we can treat the vig as a night lynch. If mafia-hit we can do a psuedo double lynch with the day lynch the following day. If a town kill, we can just no-lynch the following day and it'll just be like a mislynch.
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TanGeng
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sanya12364 Posts
July 26 2013 03:42 GMT
#1757
anyone have comments for my wall? of reads?
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
July 26 2013 03:43 GMT
#1758
On July 26 2013 11:20 Oatsmaster wrote:
stop tunneling WoS.

Stop tunneling Oats.

With TG's latest posting and your continued lack of effort, my order of scum reads just might be a-changin'.

Brb looking for Oats-TAA interaction.
Grubby's #1 Fan
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
July 26 2013 03:43 GMT
#1759
I liked it so much I'm not gonna read it TG. I liked it so much that you're town based on its existence alone, so there's no need to read it.
Artanis & marv
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
July 26 2013 03:48 GMT
#1760
On July 26 2013 12:43 FiveTouch wrote:
I liked it so much I'm not gonna read it TG. I liked it so much that you're town based on its existence alone, so there's no need to read it.
This deserves a slow clap AND a picture of the "you think this is a game?" cat. Unfortunately, it's a game, so ... the message gets a bit confused.
Fe fi fo fum.
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