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Happy that Fanta lost. Not happy in the way he lost though =/
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Got too tired, decided to skip it and watch it right now.
I missed a lot of good pre-game interviews.
LOL @ Artosis, he clearly does NOT like hellbats.
Lol @ Bomber showing what he ultimately is "a player who plays like a god at times and then the very next game, plays like a diamond terran"
Lol @ TheMarine thinking First is the best eSF Protoss
Amazing display by Soulkey vs Symbol.
BByong's TvT isnt that good at all. I think most people who watch SPL shouldnt be surprised by the result
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Wow....Fantasy..he's revealing the same weakness he's had all throughout SPL and the previous GSL.
He's amazingly bad at handling small counter attacks ans securing bases.
First absolutely abuse those two factors both the games.
Get it together Fanta.
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Fantasy played like garbage, sad.
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On July 03 2013 03:52 LighT. wrote:
Wow....Fantasy..he's revealing the same weakness he's had all throughout SPL and the previous GSL.
He's amazingly bad at handling small counter attacks ans securing bases.
First absolutely abuse those two factors both the games.
Get it together Fanta.
Wasn't he super good at this during BW?
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On July 02 2013 21:48 ReDeYe wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2013 18:46 rift wrote:On July 02 2013 18:45 Kommander wrote:On July 02 2013 18:39 NicksonReyes wrote:
Sup with all the qqing?
I don't really see any problems with this Ro16 format. Khaldor's been bitching about OSL ever since the season started. Nothing new, and not surprising since he works for a competitor. Redeye also complained about the naming emphasis and how OGN puts more emphasis on the OSL brand rather than the WCS brand, but if you think about it, the OSL brand is much more established than the WCS brand. these newcomers know not of what they speak "Newcomers" - Interesting terminology to explain someone who has spent the best part of 11 years in esports at the highest level. Newcomer to StarCraft? Relatively I guess, although I've been on the fringes of SC since 2005. I'm also well aware of the history of OSL having worked with OGN since 2005 on a regular basis too, but that's not the argument here, so let me qualify some of it, which obviously can't be understood or explained properly in 140 charachters. The WCS is a global competition run by partners in each region. I understand the OSL and GSL have history and I don't want to disrespect that history, but WCS is what the entire competition is now. My issues are around wanting StarCraft to appeal to as wide an audience as possible as I fully believe those who are exposed to it, will love the players, the game and the incredible community, ultimately leading to an even larger community. To capture those however, there are many things that have to happen in order to help improve the entry for casual viewers. The key ingredients to successful esports and tournaments over the last 11 years of watching them are format and consistency. If we establish that the basic thought behind the WCS is to bring all leagues, all players and fans together under one umbrella and (despite reservations over this) we accept this as the premise, it becomes a priority to ensure that no matter who runs each region, the map pools, the rules, the format and the nomenclature used is consistent. This is the essence of the argument. Right now, the rules are inconsistent, the map pools different and the way it all plays out is intrinsically different in each region. I totally get OSL and GSL have history and I don't want to remove that, but it's time to move on. This is WCS and it's not the same as GSL (although mirrors this more closely perhaps) and it's not OSL. Not only the casual viewer is unsure about it all on a global scale right now, but it seems a lot of people who have followed SC for a long time are confused about it too and it's not surprising. Keeping heritage in esports is super important, you won't hear any argument from me on that. WCS is very special and should be given the prestige it deserves for the time, effort and money being put in by a lot of people to raise the bar for SC.
I don't agree with this at all. Let's not kid ourselves GSL and OSL is the hardest and most prestigious tournament in the world. The WCS Grand finals is just for money everybody knows winning the OSL/GSL means much more. For all the history OGN have put into both the Starcraft scene they deserves to have their own name brand. The thing is ESL and NASL don't have nearly the brand name value so it's no problem for you guys to switch to "WCS" because people will recognize that much more than "ESL". Keeping tradition in sports is very important and OSL is one of the most storied tournaments in the history of E-Sports. The fact that you want to just make them change to the generic "WCS" (or quote "move on") is an insult to everything OGN/OSL has brought to the Starcraft scene in the best Starcraft country in the world.
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On July 03 2013 03:52 LighT. wrote:
Wow....Fantasy..he's revealing the same weakness he's had all throughout SPL and the previous GSL.
He's amazingly bad at handling small counter attacks ans securing bases.
First absolutely abuse those two factors both the games.
Get it together Fanta.
thats how first play every game . counter attack and drops . it was just styls vs style i guess
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This might be First season with so many terrans from Ro16. Hope he goes deep.
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On July 03 2013 03:25 LighT. wrote:
Lol @ TheMarine thinking First is the best eSF Protoss
What's wrong with this? In HotS First has definitely been more impressive than MC, Squirtle, Creator, Seed and YongHwa. I think HerO is probably better than First but not by much.
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On July 03 2013 03:25 LighT. wrote:
Got too tired, decided to skip it and watch it right now.
I missed a lot of good pre-game interviews.
LOL @ Artosis, he clearly does NOT like hellbats.
Lol @ Bomber showing what he ultimately is "a player who plays like a god at times and then the very next game, plays like a diamond terran"
Lol @ TheMarine thinking First is the best eSF Protoss
Amazing display by Soulkey vs Symbol.
BByong's TvT isnt that good at all. I think most people who watch SPL shouldnt be surprised by the result
well who is playing better? Best eSF protoss is probably the least solidified "title" throughout sc2.
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best protoss in general is usually up in the air.
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On July 03 2013 04:56 ZAiNs wrote: Show nested quote +On July 03 2013 03:25 LighT. wrote:
Lol @ TheMarine thinking First is the best eSF Protoss What's wrong with this? In HotS First has definitely been more impressive than MC, Squirtle, Creator, than Seed and YongHwa. I think HerO is probably better than First but not by much.
First's PvT is way better than Hero's, and vT is pretty important these days.
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On July 03 2013 04:39 Albinoswordfish wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2013 21:48 ReDeYe wrote:On July 02 2013 18:46 rift wrote:On July 02 2013 18:45 Kommander wrote:Khaldor's been bitching about OSL ever since the season started. Nothing new, and not surprising since he works for a competitor. Redeye also complained about the naming emphasis and how OGN puts more emphasis on the OSL brand rather than the WCS brand, but if you think about it, the OSL brand is much more established than the WCS brand. these newcomers know not of what they speak "Newcomers" - Interesting terminology to explain someone who has spent the best part of 11 years in esports at the highest level. Newcomer to StarCraft? Relatively I guess, although I've been on the fringes of SC since 2005. I'm also well aware of the history of OSL having worked with OGN since 2005 on a regular basis too, but that's not the argument here, so let me qualify some of it, which obviously can't be understood or explained properly in 140 charachters. The WCS is a global competition run by partners in each region. I understand the OSL and GSL have history and I don't want to disrespect that history, but WCS is what the entire competition is now. My issues are around wanting StarCraft to appeal to as wide an audience as possible as I fully believe those who are exposed to it, will love the players, the game and the incredible community, ultimately leading to an even larger community. To capture those however, there are many things that have to happen in order to help improve the entry for casual viewers. The key ingredients to successful esports and tournaments over the last 11 years of watching them are format and consistency. If we establish that the basic thought behind the WCS is to bring all leagues, all players and fans together under one umbrella and (despite reservations over this) we accept this as the premise, it becomes a priority to ensure that no matter who runs each region, the map pools, the rules, the format and the nomenclature used is consistent. This is the essence of the argument. Right now, the rules are inconsistent, the map pools different and the way it all plays out is intrinsically different in each region. I totally get OSL and GSL have history and I don't want to remove that, but it's time to move on. This is WCS and it's not the same as GSL (although mirrors this more closely perhaps) and it's not OSL. Not only the casual viewer is unsure about it all on a global scale right now, but it seems a lot of people who have followed SC for a long time are confused about it too and it's not surprising. Keeping heritage in esports is super important, you won't hear any argument from me on that. WCS is very special and should be given the prestige it deserves for the time, effort and money being put in by a lot of people to raise the bar for SC. I don't agree with this at all. Let's not kid ourselves GSL and OSL is the hardest and most prestigious tournament in the world. The WCS Grand finals is just for money everybody knows winning the OSL/GSL means much more. For all the history OGN have put into both the Starcraft scene they deserves to have their own name brand. The thing is ESL and NASL don't have nearly the brand name value so it's no problem for you guys to switch to "WCS" because people will recognize that much more than "ESL". Keeping tradition in sports is very important and OSL is one of the most storied tournaments in the history of E-Sports. The fact that you want to just make them change to the generic "WCS" (or quote "move on") is an insult to everything OGN/OSL has brought to the Starcraft scene in the best Starcraft country in the world.
Then let OGN run an OSL that's not tied to the WCS brand and leave WCS to GOM. I don't have a problem with OGN running an OSL their way. I have a problem with them running WCS KR their way instead of the way everyone else runs it.
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On July 03 2013 05:16 Aflixion wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2013 04:39 Albinoswordfish wrote:On July 02 2013 21:48 ReDeYe wrote:On July 02 2013 18:46 rift wrote:On July 02 2013 18:45 Kommander wrote:Khaldor's been bitching about OSL ever since the season started. Nothing new, and not surprising since he works for a competitor. Redeye also complained about the naming emphasis and how OGN puts more emphasis on the OSL brand rather than the WCS brand, but if you think about it, the OSL brand is much more established than the WCS brand. these newcomers know not of what they speak "Newcomers" - Interesting terminology to explain someone who has spent the best part of 11 years in esports at the highest level. Newcomer to StarCraft? Relatively I guess, although I've been on the fringes of SC since 2005. I'm also well aware of the history of OSL having worked with OGN since 2005 on a regular basis too, but that's not the argument here, so let me qualify some of it, which obviously can't be understood or explained properly in 140 charachters. The WCS is a global competition run by partners in each region. I understand the OSL and GSL have history and I don't want to disrespect that history, but WCS is what the entire competition is now. My issues are around wanting StarCraft to appeal to as wide an audience as possible as I fully believe those who are exposed to it, will love the players, the game and the incredible community, ultimately leading to an even larger community. To capture those however, there are many things that have to happen in order to help improve the entry for casual viewers. The key ingredients to successful esports and tournaments over the last 11 years of watching them are format and consistency. If we establish that the basic thought behind the WCS is to bring all leagues, all players and fans together under one umbrella and (despite reservations over this) we accept this as the premise, it becomes a priority to ensure that no matter who runs each region, the map pools, the rules, the format and the nomenclature used is consistent. This is the essence of the argument. Right now, the rules are inconsistent, the map pools different and the way it all plays out is intrinsically different in each region. I totally get OSL and GSL have history and I don't want to remove that, but it's time to move on. This is WCS and it's not the same as GSL (although mirrors this more closely perhaps) and it's not OSL. Not only the casual viewer is unsure about it all on a global scale right now, but it seems a lot of people who have followed SC for a long time are confused about it too and it's not surprising. Keeping heritage in esports is super important, you won't hear any argument from me on that. WCS is very special and should be given the prestige it deserves for the time, effort and money being put in by a lot of people to raise the bar for SC. I don't agree with this at all. Let's not kid ourselves GSL and OSL is the hardest and most prestigious tournament in the world. The WCS Grand finals is just for money everybody knows winning the OSL/GSL means much more. For all the history OGN have put into both the Starcraft scene they deserves to have their own name brand. The thing is ESL and NASL don't have nearly the brand name value so it's no problem for you guys to switch to "WCS" because people will recognize that much more than "ESL". Keeping tradition in sports is very important and OSL is one of the most storied tournaments in the history of E-Sports. The fact that you want to just make them change to the generic "WCS" (or quote "move on") is an insult to everything OGN/OSL has brought to the Starcraft scene in the best Starcraft country in the world. Then let OGN run an OSL that's not tied to the WCS brand and leave WCS to GOM. I don't have a problem with OGN running an OSL their way. I have a problem with them running WCS KR their way instead of the way everyone else runs it.
You want that WCS KR running alongside GSL thing that happened last year? I thought that was an awful idea. Blizzard hasn't said that they have to change their brand names so I don't know why community figures are acting salty towards them just because they did.
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I hereby dub First, the Elephant Slayer.
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On July 03 2013 05:24 Albinoswordfish wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2013 05:16 Aflixion wrote:On July 03 2013 04:39 Albinoswordfish wrote:On July 02 2013 21:48 ReDeYe wrote:On July 02 2013 18:46 rift wrote:On July 02 2013 18:45 Kommander wrote:Khaldor's been bitching about OSL ever since the season started. Nothing new, and not surprising since he works for a competitor. Redeye also complained about the naming emphasis and how OGN puts more emphasis on the OSL brand rather than the WCS brand, but if you think about it, the OSL brand is much more established than the WCS brand. these newcomers know not of what they speak "Newcomers" - Interesting terminology to explain someone who has spent the best part of 11 years in esports at the highest level. Newcomer to StarCraft? Relatively I guess, although I've been on the fringes of SC since 2005. I'm also well aware of the history of OSL having worked with OGN since 2005 on a regular basis too, but that's not the argument here, so let me qualify some of it, which obviously can't be understood or explained properly in 140 charachters. The WCS is a global competition run by partners in each region. I understand the OSL and GSL have history and I don't want to disrespect that history, but WCS is what the entire competition is now. My issues are around wanting StarCraft to appeal to as wide an audience as possible as I fully believe those who are exposed to it, will love the players, the game and the incredible community, ultimately leading to an even larger community. To capture those however, there are many things that have to happen in order to help improve the entry for casual viewers. The key ingredients to successful esports and tournaments over the last 11 years of watching them are format and consistency. If we establish that the basic thought behind the WCS is to bring all leagues, all players and fans together under one umbrella and (despite reservations over this) we accept this as the premise, it becomes a priority to ensure that no matter who runs each region, the map pools, the rules, the format and the nomenclature used is consistent. This is the essence of the argument. Right now, the rules are inconsistent, the map pools different and the way it all plays out is intrinsically different in each region. I totally get OSL and GSL have history and I don't want to remove that, but it's time to move on. This is WCS and it's not the same as GSL (although mirrors this more closely perhaps) and it's not OSL. Not only the casual viewer is unsure about it all on a global scale right now, but it seems a lot of people who have followed SC for a long time are confused about it too and it's not surprising. Keeping heritage in esports is super important, you won't hear any argument from me on that. WCS is very special and should be given the prestige it deserves for the time, effort and money being put in by a lot of people to raise the bar for SC. I don't agree with this at all. Let's not kid ourselves GSL and OSL is the hardest and most prestigious tournament in the world. The WCS Grand finals is just for money everybody knows winning the OSL/GSL means much more. For all the history OGN have put into both the Starcraft scene they deserves to have their own name brand. The thing is ESL and NASL don't have nearly the brand name value so it's no problem for you guys to switch to "WCS" because people will recognize that much more than "ESL". Keeping tradition in sports is very important and OSL is one of the most storied tournaments in the history of E-Sports. The fact that you want to just make them change to the generic "WCS" (or quote "move on") is an insult to everything OGN/OSL has brought to the Starcraft scene in the best Starcraft country in the world. Then let OGN run an OSL that's not tied to the WCS brand and leave WCS to GOM. I don't have a problem with OGN running an OSL their way. I have a problem with them running WCS KR their way instead of the way everyone else runs it. You want that WCS KR running alongside GSL thing that happened last year? I thought that was an awful idea. Blizzard hasn't said that they have to change their brand names so I don't know why community figures are acting salty towards them just because they did.
I would rather have GOM run every season of WCS KR and OGN run their OSL however they want rather than screw up the format of WCS KR because "OSL has been around forever." I don't want to watch an OSL, I want to watch WCS KR. And whatever OGN and GOM are broadcasting now is *not* WCS KR, it's an OSL.
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On July 03 2013 06:08 Aflixion wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2013 05:24 Albinoswordfish wrote:On July 03 2013 05:16 Aflixion wrote:On July 03 2013 04:39 Albinoswordfish wrote:On July 02 2013 21:48 ReDeYe wrote:On July 02 2013 18:46 rift wrote:On July 02 2013 18:45 Kommander wrote:Khaldor's been bitching about OSL ever since the season started. Nothing new, and not surprising since he works for a competitor. Redeye also complained about the naming emphasis and how OGN puts more emphasis on the OSL brand rather than the WCS brand, but if you think about it, the OSL brand is much more established than the WCS brand. these newcomers know not of what they speak "Newcomers" - Interesting terminology to explain someone who has spent the best part of 11 years in esports at the highest level. Newcomer to StarCraft? Relatively I guess, although I've been on the fringes of SC since 2005. I'm also well aware of the history of OSL having worked with OGN since 2005 on a regular basis too, but that's not the argument here, so let me qualify some of it, which obviously can't be understood or explained properly in 140 charachters. The WCS is a global competition run by partners in each region. I understand the OSL and GSL have history and I don't want to disrespect that history, but WCS is what the entire competition is now. My issues are around wanting StarCraft to appeal to as wide an audience as possible as I fully believe those who are exposed to it, will love the players, the game and the incredible community, ultimately leading to an even larger community. To capture those however, there are many things that have to happen in order to help improve the entry for casual viewers. The key ingredients to successful esports and tournaments over the last 11 years of watching them are format and consistency. If we establish that the basic thought behind the WCS is to bring all leagues, all players and fans together under one umbrella and (despite reservations over this) we accept this as the premise, it becomes a priority to ensure that no matter who runs each region, the map pools, the rules, the format and the nomenclature used is consistent. This is the essence of the argument. Right now, the rules are inconsistent, the map pools different and the way it all plays out is intrinsically different in each region. I totally get OSL and GSL have history and I don't want to remove that, but it's time to move on. This is WCS and it's not the same as GSL (although mirrors this more closely perhaps) and it's not OSL. Not only the casual viewer is unsure about it all on a global scale right now, but it seems a lot of people who have followed SC for a long time are confused about it too and it's not surprising. Keeping heritage in esports is super important, you won't hear any argument from me on that. WCS is very special and should be given the prestige it deserves for the time, effort and money being put in by a lot of people to raise the bar for SC. I don't agree with this at all. Let's not kid ourselves GSL and OSL is the hardest and most prestigious tournament in the world. The WCS Grand finals is just for money everybody knows winning the OSL/GSL means much more. For all the history OGN have put into both the Starcraft scene they deserves to have their own name brand. The thing is ESL and NASL don't have nearly the brand name value so it's no problem for you guys to switch to "WCS" because people will recognize that much more than "ESL". Keeping tradition in sports is very important and OSL is one of the most storied tournaments in the history of E-Sports. The fact that you want to just make them change to the generic "WCS" (or quote "move on") is an insult to everything OGN/OSL has brought to the Starcraft scene in the best Starcraft country in the world. Then let OGN run an OSL that's not tied to the WCS brand and leave WCS to GOM. I don't have a problem with OGN running an OSL their way. I have a problem with them running WCS KR their way instead of the way everyone else runs it. You want that WCS KR running alongside GSL thing that happened last year? I thought that was an awful idea. Blizzard hasn't said that they have to change their brand names so I don't know why community figures are acting salty towards them just because they did. I would rather have GOM run every season of WCS KR and OGN run their OSL however they want rather than screw up the format of WCS KR because "OSL has been around forever." I don't want to watch an OSL, I want to watch WCS KR. And whatever OGN and GOM are broadcasting now is *not* WCS KR, it's an OSL.
dude get over it
your a gom fan boy we get it
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On July 03 2013 06:08 Aflixion wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2013 05:24 Albinoswordfish wrote:On July 03 2013 05:16 Aflixion wrote:On July 03 2013 04:39 Albinoswordfish wrote:On July 02 2013 21:48 ReDeYe wrote:On July 02 2013 18:46 rift wrote:On July 02 2013 18:45 Kommander wrote:Khaldor's been bitching about OSL ever since the season started. Nothing new, and not surprising since he works for a competitor. Redeye also complained about the naming emphasis and how OGN puts more emphasis on the OSL brand rather than the WCS brand, but if you think about it, the OSL brand is much more established than the WCS brand. these newcomers know not of what they speak "Newcomers" - Interesting terminology to explain someone who has spent the best part of 11 years in esports at the highest level. Newcomer to StarCraft? Relatively I guess, although I've been on the fringes of SC since 2005. I'm also well aware of the history of OSL having worked with OGN since 2005 on a regular basis too, but that's not the argument here, so let me qualify some of it, which obviously can't be understood or explained properly in 140 charachters. The WCS is a global competition run by partners in each region. I understand the OSL and GSL have history and I don't want to disrespect that history, but WCS is what the entire competition is now. My issues are around wanting StarCraft to appeal to as wide an audience as possible as I fully believe those who are exposed to it, will love the players, the game and the incredible community, ultimately leading to an even larger community. To capture those however, there are many things that have to happen in order to help improve the entry for casual viewers. The key ingredients to successful esports and tournaments over the last 11 years of watching them are format and consistency. If we establish that the basic thought behind the WCS is to bring all leagues, all players and fans together under one umbrella and (despite reservations over this) we accept this as the premise, it becomes a priority to ensure that no matter who runs each region, the map pools, the rules, the format and the nomenclature used is consistent. This is the essence of the argument. Right now, the rules are inconsistent, the map pools different and the way it all plays out is intrinsically different in each region. I totally get OSL and GSL have history and I don't want to remove that, but it's time to move on. This is WCS and it's not the same as GSL (although mirrors this more closely perhaps) and it's not OSL. Not only the casual viewer is unsure about it all on a global scale right now, but it seems a lot of people who have followed SC for a long time are confused about it too and it's not surprising. Keeping heritage in esports is super important, you won't hear any argument from me on that. WCS is very special and should be given the prestige it deserves for the time, effort and money being put in by a lot of people to raise the bar for SC. I don't agree with this at all. Let's not kid ourselves GSL and OSL is the hardest and most prestigious tournament in the world. The WCS Grand finals is just for money everybody knows winning the OSL/GSL means much more. For all the history OGN have put into both the Starcraft scene they deserves to have their own name brand. The thing is ESL and NASL don't have nearly the brand name value so it's no problem for you guys to switch to "WCS" because people will recognize that much more than "ESL". Keeping tradition in sports is very important and OSL is one of the most storied tournaments in the history of E-Sports. The fact that you want to just make them change to the generic "WCS" (or quote "move on") is an insult to everything OGN/OSL has brought to the Starcraft scene in the best Starcraft country in the world. Then let OGN run an OSL that's not tied to the WCS brand and leave WCS to GOM. I don't have a problem with OGN running an OSL their way. I have a problem with them running WCS KR their way instead of the way everyone else runs it. You want that WCS KR running alongside GSL thing that happened last year? I thought that was an awful idea. Blizzard hasn't said that they have to change their brand names so I don't know why community figures are acting salty towards them just because they did. I would rather have GOM run every season of WCS KR and OGN run their OSL however they want rather than screw up the format of WCS KR because "OSL has been around forever." I don't want to watch an OSL, I want to watch WCS KR. And whatever OGN and GOM are broadcasting now is *not* WCS KR, it's an OSL.
But how has the format been "screwed up"? And how is this not WCS Korea?
It's not like they are doing the ro24 and seeding 4 players into ro16 like before. THAT would screw up the format. This is exactly the same structurally, it's just slightly different in how it plays out within each stage. It doesn't actually change anything important (bo1 is a different issue).
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