EPTAce (6): prplhz, kitaman27, [UoN]Sentinel, jaybrundage, WaveofShadow, Sutters695
Not Voting (5): Ace, Vivax, VayneAuthority, layabout, mkfuba07
Ace is set to be lynched!
33 hours left in the day.
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
Ace (6): prplhz, kitaman27, [UoN]Sentinel, jaybrundage, WaveofShadow, Sutters695 Not Voting (5): Ace, Vivax, VayneAuthority, layabout, mkfuba07 Ace is set to be lynched! 33 hours left in the day. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
There is plenty of time before that, however, especially if Vivax comes back once the 'cop business' is done and we get another night of good blue role usage. Activity today is unacceptable, ladies and gentlemen. Remember that this is exactly what scum wants, a dead thread. By playing follow the cop whether Ace flips red or green we are playing directly into their hands so we have to pick up our collective game. Kita since you have been actively answering my questions, do you think Sentinel is likely to be scum? That is, if Ace flips red do you believe the cop claim was done to save Sentinel's life? Also do you believe the green check on layabout? | ||
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Vivax
21690 Posts
I confirm that prplhz roleblocked me. I'm not scum though and this means that Vayne is most likely town barring any scum powerplay. There's the possiblity that prplhz is scum and that they doublestacked JJD and roleblocked me to try to incriminate me, that would be pretty smart usage of a roleblock by scum, although it would cost them KP. Seems improbable though, it would be more worth of consideration, had an active townie died tonight. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On June 11 2013 01:32 Vivax wrote: ##Vote: Ace I confirm that prplhz roleblocked me. I'm not scum though and this means that Vayne is most likely town barring any scum powerplay. There's the possiblity that prplhz is scum and that they doublestacked JJD and roleblocked me to try to incriminate me, that would be pretty smart usage of a roleblock by scum, although it would cost them KP. Seems improbable though, it would be more worth of consideration, had an active townie died tonight. I was waiting for someone to bring this up as I was thinking of this possibility myself. At what point do we draw the line in agreeing that something scum would do ACTUALLY is really unlikely? It's unlikely at first that Ace is scum and sacrificed himself for this play, yet here we are. It's unlikely that they bussed Rayn real early because they lost their power role, yet something along those lines must have happened. Personally my line is going to be drawn here: it makes zero sense to me to artificially lower your KP as scum if you're on the cusp of losing the extra one anyway, especially since if they're gambling for the lategame with the Ace play, it would take them LONGER to get to lategame with one less KP. | ||
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Vivax
21690 Posts
On June 11 2013 01:40 WaveofShadow wrote: I was waiting for someone to bring this up as I was thinking of this possibility myself. At what point do we draw the line in agreeing that something scum would do ACTUALLY is really unlikely? It's unlikely at first that Ace is scum and sacrificed himself for this play, yet here we are. It's unlikely that they bussed Rayn real early because they lost their power role, yet something along those lines must have happened. Personally my line is going to be drawn here: it makes zero sense to me to artificially lower your KP as scum if you're on the cusp of losing the extra one anyway, especially since if they're gambling for the lategame with the Ace play, it would take them LONGER to get to lategame with one less KP. Idk man, after that play by ace I think nothing's gonna surprise me anymore. Vayne was my scumread, but he has probably saved you so he's pseudo-confirmed. That leaves prplhz as my choice for the D4 lynch for his actions during the Rayn lynch, it should actually be pretty obvious: He found him suspicious, said he liked your case, and when Rayn came back to the thread he started defending him with the same arguments ace used, and cause he believed that Rayn was busy. The problem with the latter point is that prplhz found Rayn scummy for his defense of Vayne earlier, and that was unrelated to Rayn's activity, but Rayn's activity is what prplhz used to back off from his scumread, and that's why he is probably scum. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On June 11 2013 01:51 Vivax wrote: Idk man, after that play by ace I think nothing's gonna surprise me anymore. Vayne was my scumread, but he has probably saved you so he's pseudo-confirmed. That leaves prplhz as my choice for the D4 lynch for his actions during the Rayn lynch, it should actually be pretty obvious: He found him suspicious, said he liked your case, and when Rayn came back to the thread he started defending him with the same arguments ace used, and cause he believed that Rayn was busy. The problem with the latter point is that prplhz found Rayn scummy for his defense of Vayne earlier, and that was unrelated to Rayn's activity, but Rayn's activity is what prplhz used to back off from his scumread, and that's why he is probably scum. You mentioned you had a town read on Sent. Assuming you also have town reads on Vayne and WoS, who are you looking at as the 4th scum? | ||
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kitaman27
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Vivax
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I'd also like to address the points he's trying to use against me: This interaction with Ace was prompted by a question from Oats. Vivax isn't going into the thread to say that he has a problem with Ace's Wave vote, he is only stating it as a response. Vivax never comments on the flip flop by Ace at the end of day one. 1) I didn't need to ask him to see it was a pressure vote, 2) His flip-flop, as you called it, looked like a genuine analysis of the wagon to me, and ace not ending up on the scumwagon he initially voted for (IIRC) actually made me think he was town. Vivax never contributed fresh ideas to the Rayn lynch. Again, he only confirms a statement from layabout after he is prompted for a read. Correct, but it doesn't make me scum. Vivax seems much more interested in defending players than scum hunting. If I look through his filter, I struggle to find a player he wants to lynch after Ace. 1) I posted analysis on Sentinel being likely town (although I'm growing doubts lately), cause I thought he was town. I don't share the idea of keeping townreads to yourself if you can justify them properly. They're equally important to lead town to victory, since you can only solve certain scenarios by exclusion, especially when scum blends in well. 2) Didn't have time to read through many filters lately (still don't have actually, but I realize I have to do something more at this point), but you and prplhz have shown pretty suspicious behavior regarding the ace vs Oats situation and the Rayn lynch (in the case of prplhz) | ||
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Vivax
21690 Posts
On June 11 2013 02:23 kitaman27 wrote: Additionally, if the case against prplhz is "pretty obvious", why did it take him roleblocking you to bring it up? Finding the time to look through filters. | ||
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kitaman27
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kitaman27
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
busy right now but willadd thoughts later | ||
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Vivax
21690 Posts
On June 06 2013 02:58 Stutters695 wrote: ##vote: raynpelikoneet On June 06 2013 05:04 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Whether or not I sheep rayne my vote will look scummy. Going with my gut I guess. ##unvote ##vote: raynpelikoneet Can you give me an opinion on these two dudes? | ||
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
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kitaman27
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Vivax
21690 Posts
On June 11 2013 02:51 kitaman27 wrote: I already did. Have you not been reading the filter of your scum read? Townie-null for stutters, but I haven't actually spent any time looking at him. Cute | ||
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Vivax
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
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Vivax
21690 Posts
On June 11 2013 03:20 kitaman27 wrote: Is there a reason you pointed the cop towards Sent (your town read) rather than prpl or myself? Before I answer to that I want to hear your interpretation, or what your thoughts on that are. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On June 11 2013 04:13 Vivax wrote: Before I answer to that I want to hear your interpretation, or what your thoughts on that are. Because you didn't have a scum read on anyone? | ||
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