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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
June 09 2013 23:49 GMT
#1121
Oh also
##Vote: Ace
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layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
June 10 2013 01:40 GMT
#1122
wish i was here

if ace is town the ONLY WAY TO AVOID A MISLYNCH WOULD BE TO CHECK HIM

if he is town YOU INSURE THAT WE MISLYNCH TODAY AND SCUM KEEP 2 KP
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layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
June 10 2013 01:42 GMT
#1123
vayne, sent, kita scumteam maybe prplhz
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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
June 10 2013 01:44 GMT
#1124
On June 10 2013 10:42 layabout wrote:
vayne, sent, kita scumteam maybe prplhz

Do you have reasons for those reads?
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VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
June 10 2013 01:47 GMT
#1125
On June 10 2013 10:42 layabout wrote:
vayne, sent, kita scumteam maybe prplhz


dumb posts like this make me assume town but I don't know if I should. At least he has inno on him. That's about the most unlikely scumteam I can think of. Did you even read any posts after the night post? Why would I potentially save town as scum? Why would sent continually try to get me lynched throughout this entire game? How does kita come into all of this?

Does anyone else see this as a completely asinine post
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layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
June 10 2013 01:48 GMT
#1126
On June 10 2013 10:44 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2013 10:42 layabout wrote:
vayne, sent, kita scumteam maybe prplhz

Do you have reasons for those reads?

Too mad right now.

I am disappointed in all of you.
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layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
June 10 2013 01:53 GMT
#1127
On June 10 2013 10:47 VayneAuthority wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2013 10:42 layabout wrote:
vayne, sent, kita scumteam maybe prplhz


dumb posts like this make me assume town but I don't know if I should. At least he has inno on him. That's about the most unlikely scumteam I can think of. Did you even read any posts after the night post? Why would I potentially save town as scum? Why would sent continually try to get me lynched throughout this entire game? How does kita come into all of this?

Does anyone else see this as a completely asinine post

don't call me dumb.

don't ask me to explain stuff Mr "he isn't the mafia power role i swear, reasons? shit! errr.... gutread "
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VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
June 10 2013 02:02 GMT
#1128
On June 10 2013 10:53 layabout wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2013 10:47 VayneAuthority wrote:
On June 10 2013 10:42 layabout wrote:
vayne, sent, kita scumteam maybe prplhz


dumb posts like this make me assume town but I don't know if I should. At least he has inno on him. That's about the most unlikely scumteam I can think of. Did you even read any posts after the night post? Why would I potentially save town as scum? Why would sent continually try to get me lynched throughout this entire game? How does kita come into all of this?

Does anyone else see this as a completely asinine post

don't call me dumb.

don't ask me to explain stuff Mr "he isn't the mafia power role i swear, reasons? shit! errr.... gutread "


haha if you're still on day 1 buddy you might as well find yourself a replacement, completely useless.
I come in for the scraps
layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
June 10 2013 02:03 GMT
#1129
On June 10 2013 11:02 VayneAuthority wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2013 10:53 layabout wrote:
On June 10 2013 10:47 VayneAuthority wrote:
On June 10 2013 10:42 layabout wrote:
vayne, sent, kita scumteam maybe prplhz


dumb posts like this make me assume town but I don't know if I should. At least he has inno on him. That's about the most unlikely scumteam I can think of. Did you even read any posts after the night post? Why would I potentially save town as scum? Why would sent continually try to get me lynched throughout this entire game? How does kita come into all of this?

Does anyone else see this as a completely asinine post

don't call me dumb.

don't ask me to explain stuff Mr "he isn't the mafia power role i swear, reasons? shit! errr.... gutread "


haha if you're still on day 1 buddy you might as well find yourself a replacement, completely useless.

fuck you and your awful playstyle.
Be the Best You Can Be ! Play MAFIA II http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/ II Dragonsound Best Band
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
June 10 2013 02:08 GMT
#1130
On June 10 2013 10:48 layabout wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2013 10:44 WaveofShadow wrote:
On June 10 2013 10:42 layabout wrote:
vayne, sent, kita scumteam maybe prplhz

Do you have reasons for those reads?

Too mad right now.

I am disappointed in all of you.

Yeah I don't buy it. You only mentioned checking Ace a little bit before the flip, and earlier on in the day you made this post:
On June 08 2013 22:49 layabout wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2013 22:25 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On June 08 2013 15:05 Ace wrote:
On June 08 2013 03:53 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On June 08 2013 03:46 WaveofShadow wrote:
lol Sent I was about to say I have no idea why Oats thought your post was scummy
Heh I actually agree w/ Oats on that last one. The only scenerio in which I can imagine scum Ace lying about Oats is if Sent is also scum and they decided to take a huge gamble becuase Sent looked like he was headed towards a noose today. Sent planting seeds that he may not vote for Ace worries me.


No need to worry, I'm not Scum. Don't associate his behavior with me. I already outlined it would be a crazy idea for me to gamble with his defense here.
OK, but I feel like a an Oats/Sent team is kinda unlikely and Sent is just blatently scum right now. I'd still rather Lynch Oats than you for all the reasons I've already said. But I;d rather Lynch Sent than either of you




On June 08 2013 16:40 Ace wrote:
Right. I even said if Oats flips Town and you guys don't believe me just have the Cop check me tonight. In the post where I claimed I even, never mind I'm just repeating myself.

....

It's a wonderful idea. We know the possibility of a miller does exist so Oats flipping Town implicates me. A simple check resolves whether I am lying or not unless I am scum and get miller/gf. Lynching me results in up to 6 dead Townies when 1 check could have saved us time and lives.

....

No. The risk is too great as a simple Cop check would get me lynched
Ace, you do realize that is Oats flips green, you're autolynched tomorrow. The cop isn't gonna waste a check on you. I really don't like how you're already making contingency plans for a town flip. If we're planning on wasting a copcheck on you in the case of a mislynch, it makes more sense to not lynch you or Oats today and wait till we get results back.

This is why I think we should lynch Sent today. An unlucky miller check basically means we lose 6 townies before we get back to the game. We should lynch Sent cause he's scum, have the cop check Ace tonight, and lynch one of Ace/Oats tomorrow.


But if we do that then:
If we mislynch today and mafia get cop or Ace get miller then we are boned.

If ace is mafia they can give him a green check (or if he gets godfather) and then we follow the check and flip Oats. In this scenario Oats is going to be green and we are at lylo, we then lynch ace but remain at lylo.

If ace is town they can give him a red check (or if he gets miller) we then lynch Ace who flips town. We are at lylo with a red check on Oats the chance of him being town miller and 3 mafia alive.

Again this assumes no saves but i think a single save would still put us at lylo.


Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't this post from the perspective that we DID decide to check Ace? Can you explain this please, I'm not sure if I follow your though process.
Also, reads. Give me something to work with, here. And just ignore Vayne, it's a waste of time to get into it with him most of the time.
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layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
June 10 2013 02:14 GMT
#1131
Going to bed

Ace had a role a player i am 95%* sure is town had cop and instead of clearing things up or helping me to find mafia i get to find out that i am green.

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arbitrary high number
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jaybrundage
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3921 Posts
June 10 2013 02:26 GMT
#1132
I know we have to keep up discussion. But its so hard when we have one lynch on the board that is pretty much guaranteed to go thru. Would anyone be down for voting to shorten the day. It would help keep discussion up and stop lethargy from hitting our town.
The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in battle.
jaybrundage
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3921 Posts
June 10 2013 02:27 GMT
#1133
I like instant majority lynches :3
The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in battle.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
June 10 2013 02:52 GMT
#1134
On June 10 2013 11:26 jaybrundage wrote:
I know we have to keep up discussion. But its so hard when we have one lynch on the board that is pretty much guaranteed to go thru. Would anyone be down for voting to shorten the day. It would help keep discussion up and stop lethargy from hitting our town.

I find that hosts rarely agree to artificially shorten the day; in this scenario I feel even more so that your request would be denied.

Jay there is plenty to talk about just because we already have a lynch target for the day. For instance, I actually forgot to look into the post timings for yesterday's lynch into Oats which I said I was going to do, based on the fact that scum are more likely to be around at the time of lynch to be able to react to shenanigans/claims/what have you.
People who posted directly after the lynch (within 1 hour):
prplhz, mkfuba, Sentinel, kita, layabout, vayne.

Prplhz Sentinel and mkfuba posted directly within 15 min of the lynch, though prplhz was around a little bit before as well.
Of these I would like to direct attention to mkfuba.
His post directly previous to the flip:
On June 08 2013 06:33 mkfuba07 wrote:
@Vivax:
One problem I have with the reasoning in a) is that I don't feel like any scum is ever all too afraid of bussing oats right from the start. He's a hard read D1, and is also (I feel) oftentimes an unlikely lynch D1 because of that very fact. I'd have to take a closer look at how sent was pushing oats, but if it's just "his case on ace is ridic" then it's nothing that I'm sure most of the people here weren't thinking before sent said it himself. Because of this, I don't think scum oats excludes scum sent.

As glad as I am that there's a lot of discussion going on (I have excuses for not participating up to this point, but I'll leave them out unless someone really wants to hear them), I don't see myself voting for someone other than ace or oats today. The likelihood of these two players being town and getting the exact roles that would put us in this situation given their previous interaction is negligible, imo. Therefore, at least one of them is scum. Oats seems most likely to me, given that it would be silly for ace to fakeclaim and expect "guess he was miller" to get him off the hook. I agree that if ace did fakeclaim, it's more significant than a 1-for-1 trade, but it's still a pretty big swap.

##Vote: Oatsmaster

I've been asleep for a pretty long while, and I'm gonna go get food now. I also might have plans in a few hours, so I'll disappear again for a bit. Please tell me if there's anything in particular you want me to think about/look at/consider, since my time will be mostly focusing on oats/ace. In addition to being the most likely place to find scum, I feel that will give us the most to go off of going into D3.

Not the timestamp. This is a full day before the flip.
Now look at this.

On June 09 2013 08:05 mkfuba07 wrote:
Well... that was quite possibly my least expected flip ever...

5 MINUTES after the flip.

This does not seem entirely coincidental to me as scum are often extremely active directly around the time of a flip. It would be one thing if he had post on and off throughout the day as some of the others who posted directly after did but mkfuba contributed ABSOLUTELY NOTHING for an entire day and very little before that point; he is simply coasting on his 'confirmed town' status given to him by?

None other than Ace.

Kita I am aware there is a deal of merit considering he would have been the first to push Rayn somewhat on the first day and you gave him a recent townread yourself, but what do you think of this? A possible scenario I envision (and not entirely unlikely if Ace flips red) is that the decision to bus Rayn happened earlier on to give a lot of people towncred, especially considering Rayn may have informed his team that he would be inactive and therefore likely to die. This idea hinges a little more on the idea that Ace is scum however, since it would require massive lategame gambling and the sacrifice of scum's arguably strongest role. If Ace is scum this appears to be more likely since there must be serious planning going on for Ace to sacrifice himself alone.

In any case if the scenario I pointed out appears unlikely then by all means ignore it for now; I'd like to hear what people think of mkfuba atm.
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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
June 10 2013 03:03 GMT
#1135
I don't think the mafia would bus their strongest role in a setup that town can so clearly benefit once we reach one kp. By busing rayn, they give up the ability to hunt the cop, rber, and medic and put themselves in a position where they are only one scum lynch away from the terrible position. Ace clearly wants to save rayn at the end of day once so they would have to be incredibly unorganized or fuba would be acting on his own. I'd rather look in another direction, such as Vivax.
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VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
June 10 2013 03:05 GMT
#1136
On June 10 2013 11:52 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2013 11:26 jaybrundage wrote:
I know we have to keep up discussion. But its so hard when we have one lynch on the board that is pretty much guaranteed to go thru. Would anyone be down for voting to shorten the day. It would help keep discussion up and stop lethargy from hitting our town.

I find that hosts rarely agree to artificially shorten the day; in this scenario I feel even more so that your request would be denied.

Jay there is plenty to talk about just because we already have a lynch target for the day. For instance, I actually forgot to look into the post timings for yesterday's lynch into Oats which I said I was going to do, based on the fact that scum are more likely to be around at the time of lynch to be able to react to shenanigans/claims/what have you.
People who posted directly after the lynch (within 1 hour):
prplhz, mkfuba, Sentinel, kita, layabout, vayne.

Prplhz Sentinel and mkfuba posted directly within 15 min of the lynch, though prplhz was around a little bit before as well.
Of these I would like to direct attention to mkfuba.
His post directly previous to the flip:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2013 06:33 mkfuba07 wrote:
@Vivax:
One problem I have with the reasoning in a) is that I don't feel like any scum is ever all too afraid of bussing oats right from the start. He's a hard read D1, and is also (I feel) oftentimes an unlikely lynch D1 because of that very fact. I'd have to take a closer look at how sent was pushing oats, but if it's just "his case on ace is ridic" then it's nothing that I'm sure most of the people here weren't thinking before sent said it himself. Because of this, I don't think scum oats excludes scum sent.

As glad as I am that there's a lot of discussion going on (I have excuses for not participating up to this point, but I'll leave them out unless someone really wants to hear them), I don't see myself voting for someone other than ace or oats today. The likelihood of these two players being town and getting the exact roles that would put us in this situation given their previous interaction is negligible, imo. Therefore, at least one of them is scum. Oats seems most likely to me, given that it would be silly for ace to fakeclaim and expect "guess he was miller" to get him off the hook. I agree that if ace did fakeclaim, it's more significant than a 1-for-1 trade, but it's still a pretty big swap.

##Vote: Oatsmaster

I've been asleep for a pretty long while, and I'm gonna go get food now. I also might have plans in a few hours, so I'll disappear again for a bit. Please tell me if there's anything in particular you want me to think about/look at/consider, since my time will be mostly focusing on oats/ace. In addition to being the most likely place to find scum, I feel that will give us the most to go off of going into D3.

Not the timestamp. This is a full day before the flip.
Now look at this.

Show nested quote +
On June 09 2013 08:05 mkfuba07 wrote:
Well... that was quite possibly my least expected flip ever...

5 MINUTES after the flip.

This does not seem entirely coincidental to me as scum are often extremely active directly around the time of a flip. It would be one thing if he had post on and off throughout the day as some of the others who posted directly after did but mkfuba contributed ABSOLUTELY NOTHING for an entire day and very little before that point; he is simply coasting on his 'confirmed town' status given to him by?

None other than Ace.

Kita I am aware there is a deal of merit considering he would have been the first to push Rayn somewhat on the first day and you gave him a recent townread yourself, but what do you think of this? A possible scenario I envision (and not entirely unlikely if Ace flips red) is that the decision to bus Rayn happened earlier on to give a lot of people towncred, especially considering Rayn may have informed his team that he would be inactive and therefore likely to die. This idea hinges a little more on the idea that Ace is scum however, since it would require massive lategame gambling and the sacrifice of scum's arguably strongest role. If Ace is scum this appears to be more likely since there must be serious planning going on for Ace to sacrifice himself alone.

In any case if the scenario I pointed out appears unlikely then by all means ignore it for now; I'd like to hear what people think of mkfuba atm.


well he was my first scumread but dropped it since he started the bandwagon on their leader so I don't think its likely that he's scum but it is possible of course.

Would be nice if he was scum to continue my "first read = scum" on this site hu3hu3
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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
June 10 2013 03:09 GMT
#1137
On June 10 2013 12:03 kitaman27 wrote:
I don't think the mafia would bus their strongest role in a setup that town can so clearly benefit once we reach one kp. By busing rayn, they give up the ability to hunt the cop, rber, and medic and put themselves in a position where they are only one scum lynch away from the terrible position. Ace clearly wants to save rayn at the end of day once so they would have to be incredibly unorganized or fuba would be acting on his own. I'd rather look in another direction, such as Vivax.

I agree. I think the only case it makes sense is something similar to LXI where they knew Rayn was going to go down to inactivity and they were forced to bus him? Possible that Rayn's return to the thread gave Ace hope so he tried to defend?

I know at this point I'm probably just confirmation biasing my way through so I'll drop it for now.

Kita can you give any more insight into Vivax? Your end-of-night read wasn't particularly informative.
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layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
June 10 2013 11:07 GMT
#1138
no posts for 8 hours GG

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i am traveling today
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Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
June 10 2013 13:57 GMT
#1139
Nice job with roles

##vote: ace
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
June 10 2013 14:05 GMT
#1140
In past games, Vivax seemed to be a player who liked to focus at the top, looking at veteran players who are likely leading the mafia team and poking them for information. Throughout the game, Vivax only references Ace once:

On June 05 2013 23:28 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2013 23:00 Oatsmaster wrote:
Vivax,
thoughts on Ace?


He has to make clear if and why he intends to stay on the WoS wagon after his initial vote which seems like a pressure vote. Other than that, he discussed strategies related to the setup. Not enough to go to make a read on him.


This interaction with Ace was prompted by a question from Oats. Vivax isn't going into the thread to say that he has a problem with Ace's Wave vote, he is only stating it as a response. Vivax never comments on the flip flop by Ace at the end of day one.

On June 06 2013 02:06 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2013 01:57 layabout wrote:
On June 06 2013 01:53 Vivax wrote:
@ Rayn

If you're so sure about WoS being scum, what are you trying to achieve by claiming you want to kill ace and writing that bit about layabout?

Vivax i reckon at least one of the people on the WoS wagon is scum. What do you think?


I agree, and after that last post it's likely to be Rayn.

##Vote Raynpeelikoneet


All aboard the wagon of justice


Vivax never contributed fresh ideas to the Rayn lynch. Again, he only confirms a statement from layabout after he is prompted for a read.

Vivax seems much more interested in defending players than scum hunting. If I look through his filter, I struggle to find a player he wants to lynch after Ace.

On June 09 2013 22:22 Vivax wrote:
Got my chemistry oral tomorrow, otherwise I don't really give a fuck about this game, until this cop business is done I don't even need to analyze jack.


Posts like these don't really reflect a town mentality and we certainly should continue discussion before the cop business is resolved. There is also the roleblocker claim on Vivax, but it is just as reasonable to think that Wave be hit (though it doesn't match up with the 3 other mafia hits)
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