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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
June 10 2013 19:42 GMT
#1161
Where you lurkers hiding?
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
June 10 2013 19:43 GMT
#1162
No lurky here but I can only force so much conversation.
Fucking follow the cop...I hate that shit.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21978 Posts
June 10 2013 19:46 GMT
#1163
On June 11 2013 04:18 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2013 04:13 Vivax wrote:
On June 11 2013 03:20 kitaman27 wrote:
Is there a reason you pointed the cop towards Sent (your town read) rather than prpl or myself?


Before I answer to that I want to hear your interpretation, or what your thoughts on that are.


Because you didn't have a scum read on anyone?


Yup, except for the "cop-read". I said Sentinel was a better check than ace cause people were discussing him for lynch. My argument for him being town hadn't really been accepted, and wasn't even good cause he might just have been bussing for cred, in retrospect, and ace seemed to be safe from lynch anyway.
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
June 10 2013 19:48 GMT
#1164
I'm also around.
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
June 10 2013 19:55 GMT
#1165
On June 11 2013 04:48 prplhz wrote:
I'm also around.


Remaining scum team?
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
June 10 2013 19:59 GMT
#1166
Ace [UoN]Sentinel Vivax
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
June 10 2013 20:01 GMT
#1167
Anyone disagree with this?
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
jaybrundage
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3921 Posts
June 10 2013 20:42 GMT
#1168
Well ace seems like a no brainer. Sent ill have to look into he has done some scummy stuff I think he could be scum.

Vivax. I dont know I had him as a town read before. But his non contributing ways is starting to look scummy. He just doesnt contribute much to the thread whether it be analyzing or discussing his town reads.

Im curious if anyone has a good read on stutters. He has been laying low for the most part not posting much. Never really doing anything to stand out just going with the flow.

The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in battle.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
June 10 2013 21:21 GMT
#1169
Stutters has activity issues on non-weekends.
Or is that JJD? I forget. Either way i still expect SOMETHING from him.

I'm going to have to re-read Sentinel at some point because I want to re-evaluate my original townread on him.
As far as Vivax/prplhz are concerned I'm going to wait on more info to solidify those. Either could be scum but I'm not sure about both.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
June 10 2013 21:40 GMT
#1170
Been busy today, sorry. I'm not sure about Vivax. My experience with him as scum was in YANMM and he was active. The inactivity is probably a null tell on him. He was super tunnely though as scum. I don't know if he has had a more recent scum game though.
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
June 10 2013 21:40 GMT
#1171
@WoS it's on weekends, I'll be back in full force tomorrow.
jaybrundage
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3921 Posts
June 10 2013 21:43 GMT
#1172
yea prplhz is another person Im null on just kinda ehhh on most things.
The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in battle.
layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
June 10 2013 23:31 GMT
#1173
so i numbered everyone from 1 - 10 and span a roulette wheel 3 times

##vote mkfuba07
Be the Best You Can Be ! Play MAFIA II http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/ II Dragonsound Best Band
layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
June 11 2013 00:00 GMT
#1174
On June 10 2013 08:06 prplhz wrote:
i roleblocked vivax


On June 10 2013 08:06 prplhz wrote:
i think it's more likely that vivax is scum than that scum hit something that was docced


On June 10 2013 08:25 VayneAuthority wrote:
and cop claimed so I will now. I was doctor and I was on WaveofShadow. So either Vivax is scum or WaveofShadow is town, or both.


points to anybody who figures out what these posts are missing
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
June 11 2013 00:05 GMT
#1175
vet
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
June 11 2013 00:05 GMT
#1176
which was already covered
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
June 11 2013 00:05 GMT
#1177
Ace claimed vet.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
June 11 2013 00:44 GMT
#1178
It is clear to me that we did not spend enough time talking about his set-up. It is possible that i might help mafia by telling them how to play but i don't actually care about that.

There are 5 roles in this game:
veteran
miller/godfather
alignment cop
doctor
roleblocker

In this set-up roles are assigned randomly at night. They can go to town or mafia. We have agreed that every day everyone should claim their roless. But there is more to it than that.

If you are town and you receive cop/roleblocker/ doctor it is pretty obvious what you need to do.
+ Show Spoiler +
Cop investigates people he thinks are mafia or that town plans to lynch, roleblocker aims at mafia suspects to stop a shot and doctor tries to protect people he thinks will get shot or that he thinks are town and wants to stay alive


But if you are mafia and you get one of those roles what do you do?
You can act like you are a towny that got ones of those roles for town cred you can quite easily pick someone that seems like a valid target without helping town. Alternatively you can use it to secure mislynchs since you need 3 or 4 to win the game.


Say for instance you are mafia and the mafia team acquires the doctor role and the roleblocker. You know that town has a cop and a veteran. You know that you can 100% get a kill if you doublestack. What will also happen is that whoever you roleblock will come under pressure and the member of your team that claims doctor and his target will receive (at least temporary) towncred because people will consider the strong chance that X was shot at and Y saved X from the mafia. The target can even be another mafia player. From here you can quite easily push to lynch whoever you roleblocked. What's more you can aim the roleblock at who you think the cop is to stop it. When they flip town the thread will assume that the doctor pulled off a save and that player is going to be safe from the lynch for a very long time.

That is an extreme example but what if say scum only received the doctor role? They could claim a protect on someone then shoot freely. Or they could doublestack and try to create the same scenario as outlined above. The only problem is that they do not know who the roleblocker will target. But this is a much more sensible risk to take when you know that if you just wait a bit the roleblocker will claim their action. You can ensure that the player who claims doctor isn't the player that was roleblocked you can ensure the target is on your team (if you so desire).The majority of the time the roleblcok will be on a townie and you can push them if you want but town might just do it for you. It's also not too hard to reinforce the idea that a medic save happened should of of you team be roleblocked.

So i am suggesting that we agree upon an order for the PR's to claim to minimize mafia's ability to exploit the shit out of us.
cop first
doctor second
roleblocker third
vet last but i don't think the place of the vet claim matters.

This would make it harder for scum to exploit getting cop or doc. They could still exploit roleblocker but at the moment they can exploit all three.

Did i mention we cannot trust people that claim roles?
+ Show Spoiler [other things of note] +

Whilst the miller role lives on, none of the other PR's get killed off and the proportion of mafia to town increases cop checks become even more untrustworthy.

The longer the game goes on the better mafia's chance of getting our power roles is, and mafia can exploit town power roles to get mislynches.
Be the Best You Can Be ! Play MAFIA II http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/ II Dragonsound Best Band
layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
June 11 2013 00:47 GMT
#1179
That is also a large part of why we were wrong to just go with the cop check.
Be the Best You Can Be ! Play MAFIA II http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/ II Dragonsound Best Band
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
June 11 2013 00:51 GMT
#1180
I'm am perfectly fine the plan outlined above.
And for the record I was never fine with 'follow the cop,' nor am I taking the blue role claims we got last night at face value.
Let's see what will happen in an hour when people magically return to the thread and we'll go from there.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
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