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phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
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Vivax
21685 Posts
On May 16 2013 21:34 Oatsmaster wrote: I didnt actually mean to quote that lol. Why say that you think im not scummy then say Im your top scumspect. hmmmm? I said you improved your way of interacting with others, asking more useful questions, less loaded ones, less antagonizing. I suggest you keep it up that way and play as transparently and friendly as possible, we still have enough time, and if I think someone is more worthy of a lynch than you, then I'll not hesitate to make the right choice. On May 16 2013 20:37 Oatsmaster wrote: Um nope, mafia are known for posting a good looking/longish post not saying anything cause they dont actually need to scumhunt. That looks a lot like a scum first post after not being there. Point being that the post does not look designed to look good and is not really longish either. | ||
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Vivax
21685 Posts
On May 16 2013 21:39 marvellosity wrote: The problem with that Vivax is that it's basically entirely a policy lynch, because you well know Oats does that shit all the time as town. Suggest a better alternative then. I'm listening. | ||
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mkfuba07
United States1151 Posts
Dunno, people seemed concerned as to what was going on with me, so I figured I'd fill you in. And my options were just being honest and saying that no one sticks out to me thus far as incredibly scummy, not saying anything at all until I pop in with a vote a few hours before the night post, or elaborating thoroughly on my thought process while reading 13 pages of mafia. I assure you, you don't want to know everything that goes through my head while I'm reading mafia threads (and anyway, instead of considering what I said useless, it would all be considered "fluff"). On May 16 2013 19:29 Oatsmaster wrote: yes. 13 pages. And he has no reads. Like where is the town motivation for posting this post? It does not help town at all. At all. So he says he has reads. But oh man I dont really wanna share them cause they are MINE, MINE!!!!!!. Also he overexplains his acceptance of the obviously great plan. Having played with me before, expecting me to have any confident reads D1 even without exams and projects due over the first two days of a game is expecting a bit too much. The motivation for the post was that I know exactly what happens when I enter a thread after lurking/being inactive for a while, that I don't handle it well, and that it's much better to take care of it without an imminent night post looming a short while away. It helps town to not have a player jump into the game within an hour of the deadline and plop a vote down on someone with little reasoning. It helps town to let me get this load of "fluff" out of the way before we have to make a final decision for D1. Oh, and I thought I under-explained myself regarding the plan, so I'm glad I didn't go into more detail o.O (You also say that I say I both have, and do not have reads. You should really decide what I've said before you say I said it.) On May 16 2013 20:37 Oatsmaster wrote: Um nope, mafia are known for posting a good looking/longish post not saying anything cause they dont actually need to scumhunt. That looks a lot like a scum first post after not being there. Good thing I posted a pretty short, "useless" post, then. And if you can find anyone in this thread that thinks that post was "good looking", then I'll vote for myself right now (though that's probably against the rules...). This post, however, is pretty longish, and has fancy quotes in it, so you might even consider it good looking. Oh god, am... am I an angel? Anyway, I'm gonna try intruding into other peoples' discussions now, because I still have no idea how to scumhunt without someone else getting the ball rolling. | ||
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Vivax
21685 Posts
I'm currently looking at B and J and they are close to each other, they are basically already in a pair, any idea on how they should move ideally? | ||
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phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
On May 16 2013 21:53 Vivax wrote: We mustn't forget to talk about our moves though. Finding a good lynch target is fine, but not having the angels feed on us is possibly a higher priority than that. This game is won on the board for them. I'm currently looking at B and J and they are close to each other, they are basically already in a pair, any idea on how they should move ideally? Yeah, let's not. We don't even know who B and J is, so it is useless speculating about their movement. Everyone has to find a move-and-face-pattern for himself and announce it at deadline. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
On May 16 2013 21:53 Vivax wrote: We mustn't forget to talk about our moves though. Finding a good lynch target is fine, but not having the angels feed on us is possibly a higher priority than that. This game is won on the board for them. I'm currently looking at B and J and they are close to each other, they are basically already in a pair, any idea on how they should move ideally? What? How does it even matter when people don't know what letter they are? ...... | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
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phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
On May 16 2013 21:59 marvellosity wrote: is that a scumslip? Yeah, I'm thinking the same thing right now. | ||
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Vivax
21685 Posts
Or how we can coordinate our movements to maximize the effectiveness of B and J. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
On May 16 2013 22:03 Vivax wrote: What I'm suggesting is a general pattern we should be using to reach the sides quickly as possible or whatever. Or how we can coordinate our movements to maximize the effectiveness of B and J. how do we do this when no-one knows who they are?? | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
On May 16 2013 20:55 marvellosity wrote: This is a really good point. My brain hasn't managed to process a good answer since reading it yet. I could see ghost either intentionally or not setting me up for the fall with that comment as it pretty much implies that he's avoiding any accusation of myself. It would make sense if he were scum to take another player down with him if he ever got caught. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16627 Posts
yes your post was fluff. Go and do work. And we will see. ... | ||
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Vivax
21685 Posts
For example, the majority of players is on the left, if you want to reach the sides of the board, what would you do? You would let everyone move left, cause if everyone moves right, logically the majority would reach a position in the middle. | ||
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Barbiero
Brazil5259 Posts
Sharrant made one freaking post. I understand that he said "I have little time" etc but he simply made one post and, after nobody mentioning him, disappeared. ghost_404 seems to be playing as normal from what I remember, not reading too much into it. Sentinel attracted too much attention for a scum Sentinel, at least this early. marv feel green. BH latest few posts are really weird. I had a green read early on. mkfuba is alive, hooray. Now here's to hoping he can contribute something other than fluff and self-defense. deconduo's play feels underwhelming and dare-I-say, scummy. His case on someone, after we pressured him a little bit, was a case on the 2-post guy that posted on the beginning of the game. He did have a pretty pro-town plan early on, and if he was an Angel he probably would never have asked the question of "who is what" on the board. Oatsmaster is acting pretty much how I'd expect a town Oats to act. Knowing him from IRC, he is 17 year old I think(or 16?), so I don't expect essays out of his posts - and he is being really abrasive. I think a scum Oats would be more reserved, prodding here and there but never being aggressive as he is now. If anyone played with scum Oats, please do prove me wrong. Vivax seems to be really focused on Oatsmaster, and is trying to lynch him out of policy. Not only that, he seems to be pretty much ignoring any other player on the board except Sentinel(which he dropped atm). He IS being actually really aggressive towards oats, and calling oats' play "playing like scum" is, in my opinion, bullshit. Oats has a history of not liking setup talk(which means its not a scumtell) but he isn't actively trying to fuck up with reads or something like that, nor he is trying to blend in and go unnoticed. And specially, he is not tunnel-visioning - at least not like Vivax. phagga seems like the standard townie. Nothing to add. mkfuba = lol Good morning everyone! Having said all of that, I was about to vote fferyllt again but Vivax's obsession with BJ is troubling me. Why talk about movement again, and not try to scumhunt? I don't know, look at other players other than oats, ask questions etc... instead he came back to setup talk. That makes no sense. I want to kill Vivax, fferyllt and Sharrant, in this order. ##vote Vivax | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
On May 16 2013 22:09 Vivax wrote: Marv, you're starting to piss me off. Think about a good strategy instead of talking about "scumslips". For example, the majority of players is on the left, if you want to reach the sides of the board, what would you do? You would let everyone move left, cause if everyone moves right, logically the majority would reach a position in the middle. You provided the specific example of B and J being together and how they should move optimally. How do you propose we do anything about this when we don't know who we are? | ||
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mkfuba07
United States1151 Posts
On May 16 2013 21:38 phagga wrote: Vivax, Oats, what do you guys think of fferyltt? I know I'm not vivax or oats, but fferyllt's agreement with BH was one of the few things that caught my attention earlier. The fact that he agreed without any reasoning from BH (who I assumed had some kind of meta-related knowledge) and without providing any reasoning himself (when he, himself, has said that he has no meta knowledge yet) felt like trying to participate without actually participating. And while zephirdd and marv saw his last post as enough to alleviate suspicion of him, I saw it much the way you did. I have two problems, though. The first is that he does come from mafiascum (I believe) and I once tried playing on other forums and the play just felt distinctly different than it is here. Makes me wonder if it's scum avoiding participating or new town (on TL) not knowing how to participate. The second is more of a personal one, since I probably allow my interpretation of tone to interfere with logic more than I should, but the way he nonchalantly responded to Zephirdd's post (here) makes me feel like he's town, simply because I feel an angel would be more concerned with his own survival. Especially as the player with arguably the least knowledge of other players in the game. At least, were I in his position, I'd probably feel less... aloof? That's probably not the right word, but I think it gets the point across. | ||
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Vivax
21685 Posts
On May 16 2013 22:12 marvellosity wrote: You provided the specific example of B and J being together and how they should move optimally. How do you propose we do anything about this when we don't know who we are? I don't have anything concrete for them, I was trying to start some general musing about strategy. There might be a pattern to use to maximize the effectiveness of people being close to each other, the movement they make, the direction they face. And by pattern I mean, something everyone can agree on using, maybe cause there is a constellation on the board that encourages the use of a specific common strategy. | ||
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phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
On May 16 2013 22:09 Vivax wrote: Marv, you're starting to piss me off. Think about a good strategy instead of talking about "scumslips". For example, the majority of players is on the left, if you want to reach the sides of the board, what would you do? You would let everyone move left, cause if everyone moves right, logically the majority would reach a position in the middle. This goes completely against the original idea of trying to figure out who everyone is on the board. Why are you bringing this up now? Don't you want to figure out who is who on the board? I really can't see how you bring this up when you don't even know the players positions on the board. Unless, of course, you know everyones position already, which would make you scum. | ||
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