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marvellosity
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fferyllt
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It looks like people post their votes in both threads. Is that the conveention? | ||
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marvellosity
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On May 16 2013 23:50 fferyllt wrote: Then I guess I better go find that voting thread. It looks like people post their votes in both threads. Is that the conveention? yes, basically so we know when and why people are voting without having to crosscheck constantly. Tell me in your own words why you want to lynch Vivax now and not Sentinel. | ||
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fferyllt
United States317 Posts
And I"m not a he. | ||
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marvellosity
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fferyllt
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On May 16 2013 23:53 marvellosity wrote: yes, basically so we know when and why people are voting without having to crosscheck constantly. Tell me in your own words why you want to lynch Vivax now and not Sentinel. Vivax' post that I quoted looks like he has knowledge that I don't have, since he was trying to plan the moves of two specific letters on the grid. I still don't like Sentinel's WKing. As I read through the last few pages just now, I saw some other observations about why I might come off a little odd in my first post. They did so without making excuses for what I wrote, if that makes sense. Sentinel's comments stood out because he seemed to be characterizing my first post as something it was not. Sentinel is still a person of interest, but Vivax' post clangs considerably. | ||
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marvellosity
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mkfuba07
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fferyllt
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On May 17 2013 00:05 marvellosity wrote: Do you not accept his subsequent explanations? They don't really seem adequate to me. Do they to you? | ||
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mkfuba07
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marvellosity
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On May 17 2013 00:06 fferyllt wrote: They don't really seem adequate to me. Do they to you? Hey now, this conversation is supposed to be entirely one way! They're not great, no. Really the worst of it is that it could all have waited until tomorrow. I'm not averse to a Vivax lynch right now, but the wagon does seem to be choo-chooing along very easily. | ||
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marvellosity
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On May 17 2013 00:08 mkfuba07 wrote: Just to make sure I'm following, are you two talking about vivax's explanations for his recent posts, or sentinel's explanations earlier D1? Vivax's explanations for his movement/BJ/plan thing. no sexo | ||
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Sharrant
Canada543 Posts
Glad to see people moved off of lynching Oatsmaster. I can't say I have him as a distinct town read, but the last game I played with him be played virtually identical to this as town, and was lynched day one. That said, if he continues this into day two, I'll want to lynch him. Vivax: Honestly, the thing that sticks out to me the most about Vivax is his willingness to lynch Oats despite the first hand knowledge he has of Oats doing this as town last game. On the one hand, I could see a townie frustrated with how the game went last time because of Oats, and wanting to punish that behaviour in town while still giving himself a 1/4 chance to hit scum. Or I could see mafia going for what he thinks is an easy mislynch, like last game. The second most important thing in his filter, is the mention of B and J. When under the assumption he later mentioned, that players moved via cardinal direction, this was something I had thought of as well. I had tried my hand at creating a movement pattern that would put as many people in the optimal position as possible. I could never figure one out because of the spread of the board. My problem with a Vivax lynch right now is that I don't think he's lying about believing the game operated with cardinal directions. If he earnestly believed that, I don't think his post is scummy at all. I think it might be a bit counter productive, but not scummy. Now if he's lying, then absolutely he's scum and he got caught trying to fish for player movements. So I ask everyone, do you think he's lying about his knowledge of the movement scheme. If you do, what is it that makes you think he's lying? Convince me that he is, and I'll happily vote him. Vivax, what do you think about keeping Oats alive for today, and lynching him if his play does not improve over the next cycle? Ghost: Ghost, last time we played we were on the same wavelength instantly. That immediately gave me a huge town read on you, this game we're pretty far apart. In the last two games I played, Vivax was a very strong force for town. He established his townieness right away, but didn't just rely on that for credit, he kept playing a consistent game. Half your reasoning for killing Vivax seems to be "This post was kind of scummy", and the other half seems to be "Vivax's town game isn't good enough to belong in this town". Please go and skim his filter in Boardwalk PYP (I think that's the right game). Does that make you feel better or worse about his bandwagon in this game? Does it change your read on him at all? Sentinel: Sentinel is where my vote would feel safest. His filter just seems off, but not in the "paranoia/jumping at shadows" way that a town player can feel off. He spent so much time defending himself about his weird read early on, but people were asking him questions about it, so he gets a little bit of a pass on that part. The biggest thing that reads as scum in his filter to me, is his dropping of Vivax as a suspect just when everyone else was warming up to his lynch. Sentinel, what do you make of Vivax's actions post-removing your vote from him? Do they reinforce your idea to remove your vote from him, or are they making you reconsider voting for him? | ||
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fferyllt
United States317 Posts
On May 17 2013 00:09 marvellosity wrote: Hey now, this conversation is supposed to be entirely one way! They're not great, no. Really the worst of it is that it could all have waited until tomorrow. I'm not averse to a Vivax lynch right now, but the wagon does seem to be choo-chooing along very easily. That tends to happen when people think they see a scum slip. He already had picked up some votes prior to that comment. Did you think those earlier votes made sense? | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On May 17 2013 00:05 mkfuba07 wrote: So Oats, you don't believe vivax's excuse? Is there a particular reason? cause to miss that, he mustve missed like 3 pages talking about it. No.. No.. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
Sharrant, explain to me like I'm stupid. Why does thinking we use cardinal directions mean something towards working out where B and J go? I'm definitely missing something here. Could you also explain to me why you'd want to lynch an Oats playing like town-Oats on Day 2 but you wouldn't want to lynch an Oats playing like town-Oats on Day 1? | ||
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marvellosity
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fferyllt
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On May 17 2013 00:29 marvellosity wrote: ##Unvote I was just gong to ask you if you still thinkt Ghost was a better lynch than some of the alternatives. | ||
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mkfuba07
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marvellosity
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On May 17 2013 00:14 Sharrant wrote: Vivax: Honestly, the thing that sticks out to me the most about Vivax is his willingness to lynch Oats despite the first hand knowledge he has of Oats doing this as town last game. On the one hand, I could see a townie frustrated with how the game went last time because of Oats, and wanting to punish that behaviour in town while still giving himself a 1/4 chance to hit scum. Or I could see mafia going for what he thinks is an easy mislynch, like last game. You spend a long time talking about Vivax without coming to a conclusion, including this. You give two options but you distinctly don't give a stance on either. Not even a leaning, it's just words for the sake of words. It's bad. Sentinel: Sentinel is where my vote would feel safest. His filter just seems off, but not in the "paranoia/jumping at shadows" way that a town player can feel off. He spent so much time defending himself about his weird read early on, but people were asking him questions about it, so he gets a little bit of a pass on that part. The biggest thing that reads as scum in his filter to me, is his dropping of Vivax as a suspect just when everyone else was warming up to his lynch. Sentinel is your primary scum suspect, but why? What's the justification here? His filter is "off" in an unexplained way, that's useless. He defended himself when he was attacked, that's not a reason either. And as for the biggest thing that reads as scum in his filter - you need to explain very, very clearly to me exactly why what you said makes him mafia. Why does BlazingHand voting Vivax sometime after Sentintel unvoted him make Sentinel mafia? Ghost: Ghost, last time we played we were on the same wavelength instantly. That immediately gave me a huge town read on you, this game we're pretty far apart. In the last two games I played, Vivax was a very strong force for town. He established his townieness right away, but didn't just rely on that for credit, he kept playing a consistent game. Half your reasoning for killing Vivax seems to be "This post was kind of scummy", and the other half seems to be "Vivax's town game isn't good enough to belong in this town". Please go and skim his filter in Boardwalk PYP (I think that's the right game). Again this says very little about ghost, other than insinuating that you find him mafia because you're not on his wavelength this time. Is ghost mafia or not? What's the purpose of all this? | ||
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