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On May 15 2013 15:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Oats, if OO is town and the votestealer is scum, why is the anon vote on someone else and didn't hammer OO?
Maybe it's so you could ask this question!
No, seriously, I wonder about that too. People fucked off towards the end of the cycle though, so keep that in mind as well. Who wasn't around to move the vote to me when I was the prevailing wagon? That's a big list of people right now as far as I can see. Maybe make a list of those names for future use to compare against other periods of inactivity? I am also operating under the assumption that it's a mafia vote stealer, when in reality it's entirely possible (but IMO not probable) that it's a town role in this specific game. So now you have to look at a) people who weren't around and b) people who had a town read on me and wouldn't vote for me. So... really I'm not getting anything useful out of thinking about it right now, but feel free to share if you have any insights.
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you know what this town is?
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I'm going to reread the thread tomorrow when I'm done punching myself in the face.
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On May 13 2013 16:44 Oatsmaster wrote:
Also.
OO is scum because he thought that the kill might be from 3P, in an Ace game, in a closed setup. Righhttttttttt.
Give me more meat on OO being scum please or something other than OO OMGUSing DP.
Come on.
Traps are stuff both town and scum set up, and its true that DP didnt address the main point which was that he talked a lot about how he was townie(thats what I got from the 'trap post'). But no, DP doesnt like meta. Who knew?? WHOO???
3P is in the FAQ for the game below the player list:
Are there 3P in the game?
"I don't know"
I was the first to present this idea to the game.
I was the one who called that mafia would potentially want to eliminate any threats to their side.
This is being held against me because?
WTHTD be damned, it's not outside the realm of possibility that someone on the mafia team agreed with me on it and had them shoot DP. Since no Vig has claimed and we don't know if they are potentially a JOAT, we are currently assuming mafia killed DP. DP's strong town game has been lauded, so that's just icing on the cake of a decision to kill him first even in the face of potentially being on the block D1. Does my speculation about night actions taken by mafia make me scummy? Do people actually assume I would be presenting potential ideas for why DP died in the thread if I was mafia? I ... I'm at a loss for words about this subject.
Back to my re-read.
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On May 13 2013 16:48 Promethelax wrote:I find myself disagreeing with you Vivax. Look at this post Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 05:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 13 2013 05:28 Vivax wrote:
Rayn what do you make of Kita calling WoS scum without reason and then more or less disappearing? I dunno what to make of it. Maybe he will explain it, maybe not, i'll judge later. I'm more interested in DP defending his claim as "what only townie would do" and then saying he is a good scum player and would never draw attention to himself like that as scum. If he thinks this is optimal town play, why so defensive? And calling people who think claiming miller is scummy stupid/scum is ridiculous. I would atm lynch him based purely on that. and this post: Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 05:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 13 2013 05:53 DarthPunk wrote:On May 13 2013 05:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 13 2013 05:45 DarthPunk wrote:On May 13 2013 05:38 WaveofShadow wrote:
Only think I don't like about your claim is why N0, DP?
You're calling for us to waste a vigi shot that could be put to possible better use later on in the game. you don't have to shoot now.... Like obviously I don't want to die. I would RATHER be vigged than lynched though. if it comes to that. Hopefully you can all read my alignment by all the posts I am making clearly outlining the reasons behind my actions. How about you stop defending your sole action and start scumhunting instead? Ah LOL? I just claimed miller and am copping a ton of heat for it obviously. I don't want to get vigged so I am trying to be very clear about why i did what i did. I am trying to establish my innocence. Also half the thread haven't posted yet and you have absolutely fuck all in your filter so why don't you worry about yourself and i'll worry about myself ok? Also telling someone who is already active and posting to start scum hunting doesn't count as scum hunting either  Well everyone who has posted so far besides you are probably town. I'm off to bed, cya tomorrow. Rayn is all about how DP is scum. His recent games have been decent and Rayn's one scum game showed a good understanding of how to play scum. Tunneling one dude and murdering him right after isn't terribly good as mafia even more so since at least one townie (from my pov obviously, you can argue that everyone who called DP scum is themselves scum) agreed with his push and DP seemed like a likely target for the day one lynch. I by no means think Rayn is confirmed town but I certainly wouldn't lynch him today.
Prom how can you apply this logic to Rayn and then disregard it when it comes to me?
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On May 13 2013 16:56 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 16:51 Promethelax wrote:On May 13 2013 16:44 Oatsmaster wrote:
Also.
OO is scum because he thought that the kill might be from 3P, in an Ace game, in a closed setup. Righhttttttttt.
Give me more meat on OO being scum please or something other than OO OMGUSing DP.
Come on.
Traps are stuff both town and scum set up, and its true that DP didnt address the main point which was that he talked a lot about how he was townie(thats what I got from the 'trap post'). But no, DP doesnt like meta. Who knew?? WHOO??? OO is scum because I haven't liked the movement of his thoughts. The kill thing you are misunderstanding entirely. He says that scum could have killed DP because they thought that DP was 3p (something I hadn't considered myself). I couldn't think of a good reason to kill town dp from a scum pov since there was pressure on him but OO had the reason ready made. Scum know why they shot who they shot. Make sense? No? Scum doesnt want to kill 3P day 1. I said he was vigged. So am I scum too because I have a readymade reason why scum didnt shot DP?
Oats wtf did you really 180 on this? In the span of a single page of the game? REALLY?
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On May 15 2013 15:43 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 16:56 Oatsmaster wrote:On May 13 2013 16:51 Promethelax wrote:On May 13 2013 16:44 Oatsmaster wrote:
Also.
OO is scum because he thought that the kill might be from 3P, in an Ace game, in a closed setup. Righhttttttttt.
Give me more meat on OO being scum please or something other than OO OMGUSing DP.
Come on.
Traps are stuff both town and scum set up, and its true that DP didnt address the main point which was that he talked a lot about how he was townie(thats what I got from the 'trap post'). But no, DP doesnt like meta. Who knew?? WHOO??? OO is scum because I haven't liked the movement of his thoughts. The kill thing you are misunderstanding entirely. He says that scum could have killed DP because they thought that DP was 3p (something I hadn't considered myself). I couldn't think of a good reason to kill town dp from a scum pov since there was pressure on him but OO had the reason ready made. Scum know why they shot who they shot. Make sense? No? Scum doesnt want to kill 3P day 1. I said he was vigged. So am I scum too because I have a readymade reason why scum didnt shot DP? Oats wtf did you really 180 on this? In the span of a single page of the game? REALLY?
I think I misread this, disregard for now, coffee isn't helping me.
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On May 15 2013 15:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Oats, if OO is town and the votestealer is scum, why is the anon vote on someone else and didn't hammer OO?
I said he was town, yes?
Like I have mad skillz at mafia. But I rather lynch OO IN CASE rather than nolynch. hehehe OO looks like 2 eyes.
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On May 14 2013 01:17 slOosh wrote:
Hey Prom, why would OO as scum give out the NK explanation?
Kind of an out-of-place (but relevant to conversation) defense of me before the bandwagon on me took off. It's curious. Making a note of it. Go to the filter. [re-read on hold to follow this train of thought]
Later on, we get this:
On May 15 2013 13:00 slOosh wrote:He defends Vayne using unmentionable meta, presumably on writing style / attitude / activity since that is what meta tends to be. Yet when he flips and pushes a Vayne lynch less than an hour later Show nested quote +On May 15 2013 08:09 ObviousOne wrote:
I don't like it and I think I'll vote to lynch you now that I've reviewed your filter. Nothing in Prplhz filter says scum to me right now. Your point about Kita interaction means precisely nothing. Saying you suck to slOosh is null. Two null points do not a scum read make. This is a staggering fabrication while you yourself remain distanced and full of "logic" but your logic is faulty and a such you are either willfully pushing a bad lynch or you are simply not aware that most players here are friendly with each other and that basic interactions are useful not only to determine alignment but to greet each other when they haven't played together in some time.
##unvote Sinani
##vote VayneAuthority No mention at all about Vayne's meta. These are all points that existed before, and there isn't actually stuff in there that is used to prove he is scum as much as it is used to prove that he is a "bad player". Therefore the original meta use is total fluff. It's like me saying, OO is scum because meta. Vote OO. I can't explain why. But I reserve the right to shirk responsibility for this stance later.
I fully explained it
On May 15 2013 11:58 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2013 11:54 Blazinghand wrote:On May 15 2013 11:52 ObviousOne wrote:
Vote for Vayne!
He literally claimed scum in his back and forth with Prome.
If you disagree say why, and then vote Hiro or me or WoS or anyone really just take a stance cause I want to have something to analyze tonight.
Stances people. Take them. Only mafia has any reason to have no strong opinions. Are you mafia? Then have no strong opinions so we can lynch you tomorrow. Okay, I'm really dumb and can't find him literally claiming scum. Do you mean he literally figuratively claimed scum, or did he actually literally claim scum? Like are you talking about (this post) or what No his rage is allegedly not part of his town play. His town play is cold. His scum play is emotional. Lashing out with ad hom fits into which category? Dunked
Apparently not good enough. What can I expect when he's under the gun to get it in just a few minutes before deadline?
On May 15 2013 12:45 slOosh wrote:Just finished, looking good. ##Unvote
##Vote ObviousOneOats, could you explain this from town perspective? Show nested quote +On May 15 2013 07:02 ObviousOne wrote:
Vayne is the wrong lynch today, VE. See his other ongoing newbie game that we can't talk about and you will see why.
Why ask Oats, why not ask the horse itself?
Because at the time I had previously established a soft town read on Vayne. Then I re-read him and understood exactly what was being discussed about Vayne and his case against Prp and I found his case contrary to his purported town mentality and modus operandum. His back and forth with Prom just sealed the deal to me. Have I made things clear yet? Are you reading my posts in context or are you just skimming through my filter?
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Nice voting fail
How can people bring up new lynch targets so close to deadline? Looking at the late vayne pushers here.
Vayne reacting openly anti-town is worth nothing though.
I wonder, why does nobody wonder that scum OBVIOUSLY wasn't pushing the WoS wagon? Unless you think me, BH and Shiro are scum, it gives you a good picture, but Shiro is confirmed town in my book, so lynch WoS please.
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You people are so abysmally bad.
You should simply go read how WoS treats BH when he was pushing him, earlier in the day.
If you can read.
Then you will notice he shovels shit at him without ever making a case, but in the next moment he tries to tell him that he's (WoS) not scum in begging tone.
He completely stopped pursuing his Oats scumread. Literally everything could do for him, late in the day.
There is no target for WoS.
Wake up baddies
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On May 15 2013 16:25 Vivax wrote:
You people are so abysmally bad.
You should simply go read how WoS treats BH when he was pushing him, earlier in the day.
If you can read.
Then you will notice he shovels shit at him without ever making a case, but in the next moment he tries to tell him that he's (WoS) not scum in begging tone.
He completely stopped pursuing his Oats scumread. Literally everything could do for him, late in the day.
There is no target for WoS.
Wake up baddies
where you during lynch bro?
Does anything else stick out for you other than WoS being scum from the last 5 or so hours?
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On May 15 2013 16:29 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2013 16:25 Vivax wrote:
You people are so abysmally bad.
You should simply go read how WoS treats BH when he was pushing him, earlier in the day.
If you can read.
Then you will notice he shovels shit at him without ever making a case, but in the next moment he tries to tell him that he's (WoS) not scum in begging tone.
He completely stopped pursuing his Oats scumread. Literally everything could do for him, late in the day.
There is no target for WoS.
Wake up baddies where you during lynch bro? Does anything else stick out for you other than WoS being scum from the last 5 or so hours?
I think I saw some guy playing this game without his pants on. He also had a weird reason to hide his face.
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On May 15 2013 16:38 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2013 16:29 Oatsmaster wrote:On May 15 2013 16:25 Vivax wrote:
You people are so abysmally bad.
You should simply go read how WoS treats BH when he was pushing him, earlier in the day.
If you can read.
Then you will notice he shovels shit at him without ever making a case, but in the next moment he tries to tell him that he's (WoS) not scum in begging tone.
He completely stopped pursuing his Oats scumread. Literally everything could do for him, late in the day.
There is no target for WoS.
Wake up baddies where you during lynch bro? Does anything else stick out for you other than WoS being scum from the last 5 or so hours? I think I saw some guy playing this game without his pants on. He also had a weird reason to hide his face.
I didnt see that. Are you seeing a doctor for your hallucinations?
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Oats, could you expand on your prplhz townread? I'm interested in your reasoning.
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On May 15 2013 02:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:First, Sloosh and your case: + Show Spoiler +On May 14 2013 00:55 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 13:49 Oatsmaster wrote:
That was the absolutely worst vig shot in the history of mafia Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 13:49 Oatsmaster wrote:
Or scum decided to kill a dude under pressure. How can it be both a bad vig shot and a bad scum shot? This makes no sense at all.
In light of the DarthPunk flip I went back and reread people's stances on him. Because he had so much spotlight on him, scum would be compelled to make an opinion on him, or at least comment on him. What is important is to see how people justify their suspicions / read on him - town players have straightforward explanations while mafia try to make stuff up. Out of them, rayn sticks out the most: Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 04:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It's not optimal. It's stupid or mafia. (1)This is a classic mafia tactic. Push and lynch people for being bad, not scum. Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 04:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I mean it's not optimal to claim miller if you don't know the exact number of delf-aware millers. What Hiro said, it only allows mafia to get away with claiming it right in the beginning. If you are town you should never be checked by a cop. (2)Here rayn implicitly calls DarthPunk mafia without actually doing so. He is pushing the idea that because it is "not optimal" that he is scum upon a ridiculous premise. "If you are town you shouldn't be checked". Read that out loud to yourself. It's nonsense. If that was the case then cops would always land red checks. Rayn is justifying his vote with bad (read non existent) reasoning. Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 05:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 13 2013 05:28 Vivax wrote:
Rayn what do you make of Kita calling WoS scum without reason and then more or less disappearing? I dunno what to make of it. Maybe he will explain it, maybe not, i'll judge later. I'm more interested in DP defending his claim as "what only townie would do" and then saying he is a good scum player and would never draw attention to himself like that as scum. If he thinks this is optimal town play, why so defensive?And calling people who think claiming miller is scummy stupid/scum is ridiculous. I would atm lynch him based purely on that. (3)Avoiding giving opinions on kitaman(!!!) and draws attention back on DarthPunk. Then proceeds to ask a loaded question. Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 05:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 13 2013 05:45 DarthPunk wrote:On May 13 2013 05:38 WaveofShadow wrote:
Only think I don't like about your claim is why N0, DP?
You're calling for us to waste a vigi shot that could be put to possible better use later on in the game. you don't have to shoot now.... Like obviously I don't want to die. I would RATHER be vigged than lynched though. if it comes to that. Hopefully you can all read my alignment by all the posts I am making clearly outlining the reasons behind my actions. How about you stop defending your sole action and start scumhunting instead? (4)Another loaded question, pushing suspicion on him without any justification. ##Vote raynpelikoneet 1) No it's not. It's an opinion that i expressed as simple as it was possible. I think claiming miller in a setup where the number (or existance) of millers is not known is stupid or scum. 2) The bolded part you quoted; I think as town you should play as pro-town as possible, right? Cops do not check people they think are town right? I didn't understand why DP, at the start of the game, was worried about being checked by a cop. For me it seemed like he was scum who was afraid of being checked. I hope you get what i mean. 3 and 4) As is said, i unfortunately have limited time. I was not interested in kitaman at that time, i did not know what to make of him calling WoS scum that early in the game, so i ignored it. I wanted to hear more from DP, and wanted him to do something else than to defend himself. Everyone was discussing him at that moment, i wanted to know what else than his claim was on his mind. If i got something else to clarify to you, ask me.
About why i am voting for OO: What Prome said about OO and OO having an explanation to the DP night kill. In top of that DP was suspicious of OO, makes sense. Another thing that's very very odd from OO: OO called me out for meta reasons. I then posted in thread that i have a tight work schedule. What does OO answer: Show nested quote +On May 14 2013 03:04 ObviousOne wrote:
Oh does this mean you are more busy than last game, Rayn? I'll keep that in mind then.
As far as my comment, it's exactly what it said. You asked a shit load of questions last game as town and it worked very well for a) me seeing that we were having similar thought processes and b) you generated a lot of things to analyze by prodding people. I wasn't seeing that from you so far here but if that's due to a change in your schedule then that potentially changes my expectations of town you in this scenario. In my opinion this has nothing to do with meta, at all. If i post less i post less, but i still act as i usually do whatever my alignment is. OO is dropping his meta scum-read on me because of my work schedule. How does that make sense? Right, it doesn't, unless he knows i'm town and made up a meta read on me before i was even able to fully contribute to anything but DP-stuff.
shiro: You are saying that if WoS is town i am scum. How does that make sense? Are you saying i am not able to form town reads on people other people think is scum? I have given my reasons why i think WoS is town, are they bullshit? Elaborate please.
Rayn do you need me to explain why I would say that? You will be around less time = you will ask fewer, but perhaps more poignant questions and I'm used to seeing you questioning just about everything as town. I wasn't seeing that ultra-inquisitive Rayn I'm used to seeing, and your retro-active explanation for not being around to question everything as it's happening changed how I felt from you being potentially scum to null for that reason. Kinda late to be responding to this but I have my mojo back so I'm hitting up everything in the thread as I re-read, so whatevs, there you go.
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On May 15 2013 16:46 Vivax wrote:
Oats, could you expand on your prplhz townread? I'm interested in your reasoning.
Well, prp is pushing Hiro lynch. Hiro is scummy and OMGUS'ed prp. so a person that OMGUS's another person, therefore that other person is town. So prp is town.
Also, I played with scum prp, and he seemed a lot angrier. And he was epically useless the time he was alive. Different from here. Every game prp plays he gets pressured cause he plays like this lol.
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On May 15 2013 10:12 VisceraEyes wrote:
Let me put it out there that I'm willing to consolidate on OO if he's really lost the will to play. Prom is right, the fact that I have martyred as town doesn't make it a standard townie thing, and my read of OO might be biased because I like the guy.
I will move to OO to secure a lynch when the time comes.
Someone just pushed me on the mood swing. I think I'm better now. Can't promise I won't wake up feeling Oscar the Grouch tomorrow but I just treat my condition one day at a time.
Regarding earlier when you first made that first case on Vayne and I disregarded it almost immediately, I reacted that way because I had a tenuous town read on Vayne at the time. Obviously I 180'd on that once I sat down and thought about it.
Vivax appears to think that we're retarded for voting for Vayne and trying to start a new (justified) wagon towards the end of the day, so how do you feel about Vivax?
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Why were people willing to vote for me when they had varying degrees of town reads on me? Oats, VE suggested it halfway through the day that he would be OK with it, Oats stated it multiple times afterward. I expect this kind of shit from Oats but really, VE, leaving your options open I take it?
@VE, BTW have you re-thought about your stance on BH at all? I don't know how to read BH without bias.
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Oats, you said in your reads that you are town because you got your vote stolen. Now you say you think the votestealer is town. How the fuck does that make you town? If i was town votestealer i would want to steal a mafia vote. If i was mafia votestealer i would probably steal my teammates vote as there are no downsides doing that on N0, it just adds confusion to town. You are not being clear here.
Vivax, WoS was mainly pushed by BH, other people pretty much sheeped him. I do not think BH is necessarily town, i think WoS is town, that's why it's possible that the lynch was scum driven imo.
OO, i understand you better. I also think both of you/Oats are not likely scum, and atm Oats looks way worse. I think it's possible that the votestealer is town and that's why you were not hammered.
I also think VE is scum. Kush looks really bad too. I'll be posting a full list of reads before the day starts.
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Earlier in the game I posted that I had some suspicion on SNB for lack of scum hunting. He ended up tunneling Oatsmaster a lot. I still think this is a scumslip:
On May 15 2013 06:47 strongandbig wrote:
I'm kinda down to lynch OO after that stunt
Still rather lynch scum though. Killing oats FTW!
His points against Oats:
On May 14 2013 07:13 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2013 01:11 strongandbig wrote:On May 13 2013 23:38 Oatsmaster wrote:On May 13 2013 23:23 WaveofShadow wrote:
As for my activity, lack of analysis, shit that makes you giggle...whatever.
I'm not getting NKed or mislynched this game, same as every game. You'll know for sure I'm town when I get down to it but until then you're welcome to do as you please. I say we lynch him for this really fucking bad attitude and promises that he is giving. I dont like promises. this may be the single worst post in the thread Show nested quote +On May 14 2013 01:16 strongandbig wrote:On May 13 2013 13:51 Oatsmaster wrote:Also someone stole my fucking vote  . Joke's on them though, I never actually vote for scum.  how did this go by without any comment not having played in many games with vote stealers before I don't know what the analysis is, but why would someone steal oats's vote? instead of someone who is actually good at finding scum? Does fakeclaiming having your vote stolen give an excuse to insta-hammer someone? it seems like a decent scum tactic. I really don't like the way this claim went down. Show nested quote +On May 14 2013 01:18 strongandbig wrote:On May 13 2013 15:46 Oatsmaster wrote:On May 13 2013 15:38 Vivax wrote:On May 13 2013 04:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 13 2013 04:40 Vivax wrote:
And you think the Wall-street investor thing is made up? And you think Wall-street investor has to be a town role? I don't even know where are you going with your question. What do you guys think of this post as answer? I have no clue what it means You are saying that DP fakeclaimed right? And rayn is saying that Wall-street investor could be scum.Right. That makes no sense because I assume he thinks that DP's role, Self aware miller could be a scum role. Which it cant cause DUHHHH. So rayn scum slipped kinda. But its not really scummy the way he phrased that. TLDR: Rayn scumslipped. the way this is treated is nonsensical from a town point of view. if you think you found a scumslip you should go for the throat. like, it doesn't matter that this makes no sense, i've thought things were scumslips before that turned out not to be. but the way it's put across doesn't make any sense from a town point of view. either he's just saying things for the sake of saying them or he's throwing out a "scumslip" to see who bites. do not want. Show nested quote +On May 14 2013 01:19 strongandbig wrote:On May 13 2013 22:55 Oatsmaster wrote:
Lets get a wagon rolling
##Vote: WaveofShadow
i mean then there's this Show nested quote +On May 14 2013 01:20 strongandbig wrote:On May 13 2013 23:38 Oatsmaster wrote:On May 13 2013 23:23 WaveofShadow wrote:
As for my activity, lack of analysis, shit that makes you giggle...whatever.
I'm not getting NKed or mislynched this game, same as every game. You'll know for sure I'm town when I get down to it but until then you're welcome to do as you please. I say we lynch him for this really fucking bad attitude and promises that he is giving. I dont like promises. and we return to the single worst post in the thread. so @sloosh's question from above i'll look at the other dudes in a minute but my thoughts on oatsmaster are no gusta.
-for oats wanting to kill people with anti town attitudes (i see nothing wrong with oats' opinion on this)
-for oats claiming his vote was stolen (he's not hiding information from town, why expose there was a vote steal if his mafia teammate has it?)
-for oats using flavor (role name given to player) to determine scumslips (okay that's crazy by oats, but crazy is not alignment indicative for oats lol, and it was an amusing angle in looking at Rayn)
-for helping to get a wagon on WOS started (at least spurring the town to action, intent is to get people to take sides on a wagon, progressive move)
In short, I find his case/points garbage and I want other people to take a look at him to hear if they think his points are garbage.
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