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On April 07 2013 10:40 jrkirby wrote:
So TRN, what are you thinking now? What are your reads? Mine haven't changed, and probably won't until morning.
I didn't you or Jampi as a lynch before, my thought has changed on that so far. If jar jar doesn't show up soon he needs to be looked at but I still just dislike Rainbows. I hope he comes back and gives me a reason to change my mind about it.
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All right, here's the promised case. I hope you Rainbows-supporters take a good look at it because this is a hell of a lot more in-depth than my previous reads.
The Rainbows case:
Exhibit A --
+ Show Spoiler +On April 05 2013 09:28 Rainbows wrote:
Anyone who's here right now I want to give me their opinions on a statement.
--- I don't want to talk about policy. You can policy me this or policy me that, or raise me a lynch-all-liar policy, but I don't want to hear it. Your policy is your own. Enact it when you see fit, if at all. Don't spew it in the thread incessantly to act like you're contributing or it's the 'must-do' in a mafia game.
If you want to override this and go on with it, fine with me. Whatever you feel is best. On April 05 2013 09:45 Rainbows wrote:
My point. Keep in mind the following question isn't policy-based.
Let's say we have this one guy, super emotional, yelling at people, voting all over the place. Call him guy A. Guy B is cool, suave, making decent points here and there, voting is in line with his thinking. Guy C is hardcore lurking are barely here, but won't get modkilled because he votes. Guy D is kinda wimpy, and sheeps cases but is also hard to read.
Who do we lynch?
Rainbows begins the game by starting some conversation; "don't talk policy", etc. "This is a hypothetical question", etc. At first glance, this seems very pro town. But how much does Rainbows actually contribute to the conversation? Other than "I was guy A", and Exhibit B, the rest of his posts before my first post are either trolly or directed at TRN and have nothing to do with the game. And, he never comes back to address anything about policy later, or people's opinions on policy.
Exhibit B --
+ Show Spoiler +On April 05 2013 10:03 Rainbows wrote:
##Vote: Smancer
This vote is serious. On April 05 2013 10:08 Rainbows wrote:
Because he said hi and trolled with me but won't answer simple questions. It's that simple.
Alright, a serious vote, or so he claims. Note that Smancer has not posted since Rainbows posted his hypothetical question. Possibly just a pressure vote, maybe looking to draw an OMGUS. Note that this worked very well for the scumteam in NMM XXXIX, because rayn caused TRN to OMGUS and be useless, then Rainbows played the straight man to get TRN to follow him around like a lost sheep. This time, Rainbows is playing the funny man, and I will reference this point again later. Remember also that Rainbows does not answer questions unless he is absolutely bombarded with them and is forced to answer.
Exhibit C --
+ Show Spoiler +On April 05 2013 13:04 Rainbows wrote:
I fakeclaimed as a troll move and it worked =|. Felt bad for town that game.
I think we should all rally around lynching Saraf, because he called me town and expressed interest in lynching someone he called probably town.
##Unvote
##Vote: Saraf
The logic here, it is very strong indeed. On April 05 2013 23:37 Rainbows wrote:SarafShow nested quote +On April 05 2013 11:57 Saraf wrote:glhf Can we vote for a no-lynch in this game, or must votes be placed on individuals?On April 05 2013 09:28 Rainbows wrote:
Okay enough guys.
##Unvote
Anyone who's here right now I want to give me their opinions on a statement.
--- I don't want to talk about policy. You can policy me this or policy me that, or raise me a lynch-all-liar policy, but I don't want to hear it. Your policy is your own. Enact it when you see fit, if at all. Don't spew it in the thread incessantly to act like you're contributing or it's the 'must-do' in a mafia game.
If you want to override this and go on with it, fine with me. Whatever you feel is best. Not talking policy Day 1 is bullshit. Scum know who scum are but we don't, and the only way we catch scum is by making them fuck up. Even if the policy ends up being "there is no policy", the debate drives conversation and conversation is the only reliable way we have of rooting out scum and eliminating them. Problems arise for town when scum derails the conversation, so here's some day 1 policy to chew on: In the absence of really strong reads, lynch the spammiest asshole who shits up the thread the most. Spamming the thread is a scum tactic to distract and disrupt town; even if the spammiest asshole is just some poor well-meaning fattie (who should have applied the litmus test "does this post help town?"), at the very least in Day 2 the thread will be less shit up, and it'll be easier to find scum without him shitting up the thread. It is obvious that Saraf is referring to me here. I'm spamming, I'm doing a bunch of nuisance-like things and he doesn't like it. He says he would like to lynch me; even if I'm probably town. Saraf seems to know I'm town, because he refers to me as such and tells me how I should be playing. Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 13:35 Saraf wrote:
Obzy: posting a lot is not the same as spam. If you post a ton, and all of your posts contribute to scumhunting/creating a pro-town environment then are you spamming? Obviously not. Look at everything posted from the start of the game up until Rainbows drops the "comment on this" post about policy. Everything prior is pointless and spam. Look at the rando dialogue between Rainbows and TRN, what point does that serve? Before anyone got the ball rolling that was fine, but if, for instance, I just look at Rainbows's vote on me and OMGUS him now what do I accomplish? Jack shit, I spam the thread, and just make myself look an ass. And I do want people to chew on the policy, see if they think it sucks, see if they think it's good. And see why they think the way they do.
Rainbows, you're obviously up, what do you actually think about the policy? Notice the hypocrisy in this underlined statement. Saraf wants policy talk. Awesome, go for it man... wait, what policy has he brought up -- none. He wants people to talk about policy but is doing nothing to drive the discussion. He's trying to come off all pro-town by being 'yeah, we should lynch a scummy spammer guy, and totally talk about policy because it generates discussion!". He completely ignores A) that discussion is already happening, and we can talk about that and B) He himself is not bringing up policy to talk about and "get information". I digress, he's brought up the policy to 'lynch the spammiest asshole', but that in itself people are already talking about because I'm the center of discussion. So antagonisitic.
Here we go, his case on me. The vote itself is a little suspect because it's based on a reading of my post that is just flat-out wrong. He takes my policy post, reads it as an attack on him and then you get the above. That can be hand-waved away as perhaps fishing for a reaction, but the second part cannot. He devotes an entire paragraph to point out a contradiction in my post that doesn't exist ("wants policy talk"/"doesn't bring up policy" when I did, in fact, talk policy) and follows it with a one-sentence retraction. He obviously knows he's lying here, so what the hell is going on here? I posit that he was hoping nobody would notice the contradiction in his own case while leaving himself an out in case the wagon on me didn't get rolling.
Exhibit D --
+ Show Spoiler +On April 05 2013 23:37 Rainbows wrote:NobodywonderShow nested quote +On April 05 2013 16:03 nobodywonder wrote:Well I can't say scum for sure, but I definitely don't like it. Rainbow votes Smancer. Then Rainbow unvotes, then talks about his policy that there should be no policy and that everyone has their own policy. Rainbow then brings up a policy scenario. Well, he states it isn't policy based. Well to me, it sounds like it is, since a policy defines a set of actions in response to certain behavior. I don't know that Rainbow would bring a policy question and call it not policy, seems like he's cautiously gauging townie response and the town meta. Honestly, I want a response from not only Rainbow but also Smancer, since to me, it's interesting that Rainbow voted Smancer, unvoted Smancer and then voted Smancer again. In response Smancer had voted Rainbows and then unvoted Rainbow. I just a lil' weirded out by the voting trend. + Show Spoiler +As a little meta thing, Rainbows seems to deviate a lot more from previous games, he did troll vote, but not to extent of this game. He also spams a lot more. NW gives a huge summary. and throws some shit. He meditates on the policy thing, which I told everyone wasn't policy. THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HOW PEOPLE THINK AND POLICY JESUS CHRIST PEOPLE. Had to get out of the way. This post, and subsequently the spoiler, show no effort on NW's part to come to a conrete read on me. He simply says that I'm doing things. He seems really apprehensive about giving an actual read and just flops around. I want peoples opinions of NW. Saraf might just be a banality-spewing town; and I'm unsure if his lolpolicy was serious or not. But NW - that guy. He's scummy.
Next up, from the same post, his case on nobodywonder. If he hadn't included the reference to me it might have come across fine. "This guy is scummy, but not as scummy as I think Saraf is." He doesn't say that though. He does specifically what he accuses me of doing: he says I might be town, but leaves his vote on me anyway. He then says NW is scummy and wants more opinions on him. He knows the wagon on me might not stick so he's getting ready to start another one.
Exhibit E --
+ Show Spoiler +On April 06 2013 12:12 Rainbows wrote:TheRavensName is a fantastic lynch for today! He didn't do anything of use early game. He was around, but chose to do nothing useful. He barely even talked to me, and pretty much ignored events in the thread. His real 'entrance' post to the thread is here: Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 19:29 TheRavensName wrote:
God I must be feeling poorly when my first thought of waking up at 5:30 AM is to read the entire thread and try to figure it all out half awake. But, lets see where it goes.
Rainbows I have a question for you because I know you hate talking about policy.... why did you bring up a situation in vague enough terms that it had to be answered with policy and not answer it yourself? Its rather unlike your past games (I also know you hate Meta analysis.).. PS:Saraf called you an idiot and an asshole, who just MIGHT be a townie too but think its unlikely. Not really the best lynch reason.
Jampi: Why are you calling Rainbows out for policy lynching? He seems to have made it pretty clear he hates policy discussion in general, and he has yet to really use it in any of his previous games.
Jrk: Postig at random people is actually how rainbows plays. Look at the previous two newbie mini games for proof of that. Do you have another scum read? Or is the phrase other guy just referring to the lurkers?
Obzy: DO not go down the road of assuming everyone is town because no one is objecting to them being town. We made that mistake with rainbows last game and it cost us so badly. ALWAYS assume everyone is scum until they give you a really really good reason, which you should only share if your confident enough in your read to help defend them, and even then.. you need to hold them to the same degree of suspicion as your scum reads. You need to compare them to the results and look at who they are going after and make sure your not getting fooled.
Alot of people are calling Rainbows out for spammyness, but it seems quite a few other people are spamming pretty hard themselves, see the discussion on lurkers killing all of the drones and bio before people have even had 24 hours to get into the thread (I think jarjar still the only person who hasn't posted sense he /ined, so I would say theres only one real lurker.) and mentions of Rainbow's role claim last game by Obzy for examples. Just going to toss this out there: Come up with more then just spammyness by the end of day 1, sense he did get the discussion ball rolling at least.
Now back to sleep before I have to go to class. Notice the complete lack of any sort of read or pressure in the post. Does Raven care about current events, does he look like he's hunting scum? He tells people to not vote me for spammyness, but does nothing to pressure those attacking me for that reason alone. He simply affords people the opportunity to lynch me by coming up with alternate reasons by the end of D1. Where's the scumreads? Vote? Nothing. Show nested quote +On April 06 2013 03:06 TheRavensName wrote:On April 05 2013 23:37 Rainbows wrote:NobodywonderOn April 05 2013 16:03 nobodywonder wrote:Well I can't say scum for sure, but I definitely don't like it. Rainbow votes Smancer. Then Rainbow unvotes, then talks about his policy that there should be no policy and that everyone has their own policy. Rainbow then brings up a policy scenario. Well, he states it isn't policy based. Well to me, it sounds like it is, since a policy defines a set of actions in response to certain behavior. I don't know that Rainbow would bring a policy question and call it not policy, seems like he's cautiously gauging townie response and the town meta. Honestly, I want a response from not only Rainbow but also Smancer, since to me, it's interesting that Rainbow voted Smancer, unvoted Smancer and then voted Smancer again. In response Smancer had voted Rainbows and then unvoted Rainbow. I just a lil' weirded out by the voting trend. + Show Spoiler +As a little meta thing, Rainbows seems to deviate a lot more from previous games, he did troll vote, but not to extent of this game. He also spams a lot more. NW gives a huge summary. and throws some shit. He meditates on the policy thing, which I told everyone wasn't policy. THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HOW PEOPLE THINK AND POLICY JESUS CHRIST PEOPLE. Had to get out of the way. This post, and subsequently the spoiler, show no effort on NW's part to come to a conrete read on me. He simply says that I'm doing things. He seems really apprehensive about giving an actual read and just flops around. I want peoples opinions of NW. Saraf might just be a banality-spewing town; and I'm unsure if his lolpolicy was serious or not. But NW - that guy. He's scummy. Seeing as how this is the third game now where NW has been a scummy read day one... have we ever wondered if NW just isn't that bright/isn't that good? I think NW just isn't that great and just makes mistakes and poor judgements that never seem to go well for him. Just curious rainbows: Do you think Saraf or Nobodywonder has a higher chance of being scum, seeing as how right now the way I read it based off that wording is that you yourself are now voting for a guy you think might be town compared to a guy you think is scummy. I hate this defense of NW. "Oh he's just bad townie, we shouldn't lynch him even if he's really scummy" Spare me, Raven. That's bullshit reasoning and you know it. Town has no reason to defend NW right now; Scum does. Scum looks good if he's town and gets lynched, or if they're both scum it's protecting his buddy. Note how he also never gives a read on NW, just calls him bad. Show nested quote +On April 06 2013 11:46 TheRavensName wrote:On April 06 2013 07:18 Obzy wrote:I don't know what to think of Raven. He hasn't really posted enough - only his last two posts have content I care about;
Why does he think Saraf called Rain an asshole and an idiot? "even if the spammiest asshole is just some poor well-meaning fattie" - how is that implying Rain, unless it's taken for granted that Rain is a spammy asshole? >_>;;; Also, how did Rain interpret it to be calling him out? - -; w/e. I would like to see Raven post more. Raven, are you implying that nobodywonder is town (haven't read him yet, will form an opinion momentarily) with this post? On April 06 2013 03:06 TheRavensName wrote:
Seeing as how this is the third game now where NW has been a scummy read day one... have we ever wondered if NW just isn't that bright/isn't that good? I think NW just isn't that great and just makes mistakes and poor judgements that never seem to go well for him.
Just curious rainbows: Do you think Saraf or Nobodywonder has a higher chance of being scum, seeing as how right now the way I read it based off that wording is that you yourself are now voting for a guy you think might be town compared to a guy you think is scummy. You seem like you're trying to point out that Rain's vote on Saraf is suspect, but that Nobodywonder is just a newb and not scum, but _also_ that he should be looking towards Nobodywonder instead of Saraf, who you think is town? I don't like it :x Please post more hehe. - -; I'm not following your reasoning, and that's all you've got atm. (Continuing to read.) To answer the first part: Rainbows brought it up I went off what he said. Onto the next question: I think, at this moment, Nobodywonder is a sort of dumb town. What he says tseems to lack thought at times, and hes been scummy person on the first two days two games in a row acting exactly the same way as he has done so now, and he was VT both those times. So unless he makes a move that pushes me otherwise, I'm going to read dumb town on him. Third part: I do think Rain's vote on Saraf is suspect. I'm stating that in that last part of rainbow's post that was a response to, which I think was poorly worded and was asking for clarification, that it looked like he had made the decision Saraf was at least maybe town and that Nobodywonder was just flat out scummy. If thats how he feels, why is he voting for Saraf still? Thats his whole reason for going after Safaf anyways (In that rainbows disliked that Sarif is voting for someone he said may have been scummy.) Last post, pretty void of any reads whatsoever. The only thing he's pointed out is my vote on Saraf, which the entire thread has already said many times. I hate to meta people, but TRN in previous games was active, scumhunting, and voted early Day 1. He's reserving his vote right now which irks me. He has done no scumhunting this game and is teetering on the edge of null on everybody.
##Unvote
##Vote: TheRavensNameP.S. Raven, it's SINCE, not SENSE ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
His case on TheRavensName. Three tries and none of the wagons stuck, and he didn't get OMGUS'd. This one was guaranteed. He saw how TRN played in XXXIX, he knows TRN is going to OMGUS and make himself look bad. The case itself isn't bad because he's right about TRN's contributions to that point: basically calling nobodywonder bad (and somehow therefore a townie?), and calling out Rainbows's case on me.
Exhibit F --
+ Show Spoiler +On April 06 2013 12:36 Rainbows wrote:JarJarDrinksShow nested quote +On April 05 2013 21:45 JarJarDrinks wrote:
K, just caught up.
I think jrkirby is my scummiest read at the moment. He votes rainbows pretty early. Then later on he tells us that he feels like he "might actually be a fatty, and is just acting stupid" BUT he feels like he has to vote for him because he's "helping the skinnies".
Anyone that votes for someone and then defends them is gonna read scum to me.
##vote: jrkirby
First post of the day. Neglects to comment on my play which I find exceedingly odd. I was pretty much the entire thread at that point. Show nested quote +On April 06 2013 04:06 JarJarDrinks wrote:On April 06 2013 03:45 jrkirby wrote:
What about you jarjar? What do you think about rainbows? or any other player for that matter? Because you've only talked about me so far. Reading rainbows as town mostly but that's due in part to believing that you're scum. He's talking alot which I like. Though he did that in the last game which had me fooled for quite a bit. My turn for a question: Why did you unvote? The worst read on the world on me. He reads me as town, but only because kirby is scum. JJD can use this to justify a scumread on me later when kirby flips town. He likes that I'm talking, but instantly turns down this read by saying I play well as scum and am capable of doing so. Epic proportions of non-committing going on. Show nested quote +On April 06 2013 04:41 JarJarDrinks wrote:On April 06 2013 04:18 jrkirby wrote:
If you like people talking a lot, why have you been so quiet thus far? I'm here now. Right now you're my top scumread so I'm focusing on you. Like every post you make looks more and more scummy to me. So now you were voting for him but it wasn't a serious vote? JJD is focusing on one person this entire game. He has neglected to give reads on any other player than Kirby. He does nothing to convince the rest of town that Kirby is scum, either ---> "Every post you make looks more and more scummy" why not QUOTE them... CONVINCE town? He doesn't want to. He's probably scum.
Another case, this time on JarJarDrinks. Now, JJD had the same number of posts as I do (excluding my "going to bed" post and the "brb, writing cases" post, he was (and still is) lurking something hardcore. This is an easy case to make, and a very good way to divert suspicion. With these last two cases he's saying "Why lynch me? I'm trying to hunt scum and help town! We should lynch TRN who's useless or JJD who's lurking!" Here's the part where Rainbows, if he was REALLY the Vigilante could have spent his bullet in the morning.
In conclusion, while Rainbows gets conversations started, he never comes back to them to actually contribute. His cases are based on either misinformation (Exhibit C & D) or on easy targets (Raven = OMGUS & JJD = lurking). He is throwing wagons against the wall to see if they will stick, he is deliberately trying to get rises out of people by machine-gun voting and once called out instead of defending himself, he explodes. "I'm obviously town", he says, "you all must just be stupid". He is playing the "funny man" in a two-man (in this particular instance 3-man) shtick and the other two mafia look way reasonable by comparison. It worked for scum in NMM XXXIX and they're trying to get away with it again here.
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Guys, sorry but IRL stuff came up. Wont make excuses but I can promise that if I live through the night, when I get to work monday I'll be plenty active. (Sorry but Sunday wont really be great for me either)
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Hurray!!! Now you just miss-lynched for no reason what so ever. Good job!! Listen to those that post the most - that make sense - after all they live in the same timezone as you - so they must know the most! And everyone else are just lurkers or scums. Terrific!
Logic obviously doesn't work here, fine - I'll try to be a bit more aggressive (perhaps a claim in caps and threatening to rage quit will work?)
You just lynched jampidampi - a lynch that put us back to square (minus) one - did it ever occur to you to consider the consequences of this being a potential miss lynch? Something I clearly pointed out here: Secondly, Lynching Rainbow will, according to my judgement, give us lots of valuable information. If he would flips green, everyone who has been defending him will look very, very townie - and those of us making cases against him has some explanation to do... You could argue that this is true for all lynches, but Rainbow is the case were most players have expressed opinions.? .
As town; we don't know. We don't. Sure if we have a good read - go for it. But in the absence of a solid case, look at the consequences off the lynch. Lynching rainbow had given us tons of information, now we have... nothing.
The whole case against Jampi is based on him providing a weak(?) case against Rainbow and asking question? Nothing solid, "gut feelings" and scum direction.
Every single - (non general) - post/case/whatever from Obzy/Fishgle is based on their so called read that our emo kiddo Rainbow is town - a read that they in no possible way in hell can be so damn sure of as they make it sound (Rainbow claimed vigi - not wow raider - remember?). Rainbow is a good lair. There is nothing else of substance in their arguments. Nada.
So another very important question is - why not focus on me, I provided a case against Rain before jampi, did I not? They are both pointing out that I look scummy for providing a case against their "town read" Rain, and some vague bullshit based on entering the game late (reason: I live in Norway - working full time), Yet they never commit - they wait. My simple theory is that they know that they would look really bad when I flipp townie unless someone else would push towards a lynch towards me first. Convenient to vote for a weak case against TheRavensName until Smancer shows up and repeats Obzy critics about jampis case and places a vote, (makes no sense for obzy to vote TRN and not jampi based on his analysis + Show Spoiler +http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=405359¤tpage=17#338
Allow me summarize:
Rainbow - "The emotional and stupid townie"
Having someone like this in the scum-team makes sense. He could vote around - provide stupid cases and perhaps get a miss lynch going. If he get's called of for starting a miss lynch? It was obviously only a troll or him "trying to get the conversation going". And oh, about his claim, we don't even know if there is a vigilant in this game, and some meta - fake claiming is what Rainbow did in his last game when he was being pressured.
Obzy - "The rational and logical guy: The analyst"
Plays the logical guys whom at first glance seems to analyze stuffs (writes quiet a lot without giving us anything useful) but at a closer look base everything on one "belief" - Rainbow is town - everyone who accuses Rainbow is scummy - because there is no possible way for Rainbow to be scum. Mm yes. That's all there is to the arguments. And the justification for Rain being town? "he acts to stupid to be scum". Shame on you if you fool me once - shame om me if you fool me ...
Fishgle - "The 'average townie' that just follows the mob"
Provides some theory about me defending Saraf (should I even bother to mention that's a lie - I've never defended Saraf, just read my filter), And again, points out I'm scummy, doesn't commit, lynch someone else for the exactly same reason - only different he wasn't the one needing to commit.
Oh and @Saraf, I'm afraid that was just random head bashing on my keyboard and not real Swedish  .
Sorry but I've not read the last few posts its 6 am here, need to sleep xD.
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just woke up, gg, had fun
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I looked over the thread a bit but I am having a hard time concentrating. My motivation dropped significantly -_-. The one thing I am absolutely certain of is that Moloch still looks town to me. Jampi not being scum was shocking to me. I did my absolute best to drive the lynch away from Rainbows for a multitude of reasons, but with a blue mislynch they look fucking stupid lol. I don't really intend to push a Rain lynch tomorrow but I won't defend him as hard since apparently I just have no idea how to do anything except sound logical, even if my logic apparently sucks.
Warent, you are quite correct - my primary thought was that Rain was town, and pretty much everything was somehow shaped around that. Honestly, since he hasn't been here - there isn't exactly information that shows me he ISN'T still town. Jampi flipped, and had unvoted Rain. + Show Spoiler +On April 07 2013 04:49 jampidampi wrote:So upon rereading, I can see how Rainbows might be a townie. So since there are more suspicious people than him: ##UnvoteThese suspicious people are JarJarDrinks and Saraf. We'll start with JarJar. All JarJar has done this game is call jrkirby scum. His read seems to be an overreaction to jrkirbys early vote on Rainbows. JarJar seems to think that jrkirby in his reasonin post kept his vote on Rainbows even if he thinks Rainbows is bad town. But to me jrkirbys vote reads more as a pressure vote: if Rainbows doesn't stop being stupid jrkirby will lynch him. Then he reads Rainbows as town because jrkirby is scum, but in the same post implies that Rainbows might be scum since in JarJars last game Rainbows totally fooled him as scum. Saraf on the other hand started the game with some policy discussion. Not alignment indicative per se, but he has done very little of something else. He called Rainbows suspicious for missiterpreting his posts, but that can as easily be seen as being defensive. Saraf called jrkirby suspicious for stating that he had a hunch on someone being scum, but didn't mention who it was. This lines up with votes piling up on jrkirby, making it seem Saraf wanted to hop on the bandwagon. Then when he finally comes back, he fails to to call me, Rainbows and Ravens scum or town, just stating that we are not good lynches. He does have a good point on JarJar and is at least here giving his opinion on something. Out of the suspcious people here, I find JarJar the most suspicious. You can this a vote for survival or scum trying to save himself with an easy bandwagon, but I think he is the scummiest. ##Vote: JarJarDrinks
Jampi's flip doesn't necessarily make Rain any more or less guilty seeming - Rain's non-presence might, but nothing has really changed regarding Rain. The lynch felt, to me, like it was more about Jampi - specifically, how his read felt misplaced. I wasn't able to detach myself enough from thinking that I disliked his case which prevented me from voting anybody else(JarJar), even though his(Jampi's) last couple of posts were significantly better - I concluded (wrongly) that he had adeptly changed his style to be something that I would find less scummy, a stupid mistake on my part.
Jarjar still was just a lurker lynch IMHO. Exactly as before, he needs to get in here and post. I see that he mentioned sunday won't be good either - given that that will be night time, and the likelihood of him being shot by scum is effectively zero, that's acceptable to me as long as he is QUITE and I mean QUITE active on Monday. (Acceptable meaning - I will forgive him for his absence lol ^^ It isn't as simple as "doesn't show up, scum, shows up, town.")
However, Warent - "he acts to stupid to be scum" is an IMMENSE simplification of why I thought (and think, although less vehemently) that Rain was/is town. I would like to think that I have written a lot, and also given you and everybody else as much useful information as I possibly could; although the latter part of day 1 was based on my Rain read, this is true.
One thing I have to say - Although I feel like I bear a ridiculous amount of responsibility for the mislynch, defending Jampi is definitely something that scum could feel safe doing, due to the expected tenuousness of my (and the other Jampi voters') position after the mislynch occurred. I'll try to do looking into it myself, but as I'm not really confident in my abilities (for obvious reasons -_-;;;; ), it would be useful to analyze the stances of everybody as they related to Jampi during the lynch, whether individuals were attacking or defending him in a scummy manner.
and sorry jampi :c
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On April 07 2013 08:59 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 08:55 jrkirby wrote:
Well only a couple minutes left, I think. Oh, well, we're gonna lynch town... But I would have to vote for you to save him. And I like you more then him. Sorry.
Ravens, what did you mean by this? You are implying that you like Kirby more than Jampi - sure, w/e - but why would you have to vote for Kirby =l You'd be voting for Jarjar. Am I getting confused over nothing?
I think the way you acted pre-lynch was reasonably townie, it's just this post that confuses me.
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On April 07 2013 15:45 Obzy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 08:59 TheRavensName wrote:On April 07 2013 08:55 jrkirby wrote:
Well only a couple minutes left, I think. Oh, well, we're gonna lynch town... But I would have to vote for you to save him. And I like you more then him. Sorry. Ravens, what did you mean by this? You are implying that you like Kirby more than Jampi - sure, w/e - but why would you have to vote for Kirby =l You'd be voting for Jarjar. Am I getting confused over nothing? I think the way you acted pre-lynch was reasonably townie, it's just this post that confuses me.
I'm curious about this as well?
And did we forget about Nobody?
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What bothers me is the heavy focus on how things are being presented instead of looking at the content.
These questions from Jampi (Sarafs who brought them up first). Did anyone even try to answer them?
Since it's almost midnight, I'll post this and go to bed.
If you are lynching me for doing nothing, why aren't you lynching JarJar?
If you are lynching me for bad cases, why aren't you lynching Rainbows?
If you can answear these question, then fine, lynch me. But if you lynch me, you better make the most out of it postflip. Pressure the shit out of anyone who can't answear these questions. Pressure the shit out of anyone who voted for me with halfassed reasoning or blatantly sheeped.
Hopefully I'm alive when I wake up. Goodnight folks.
So, Smancer, Fishgle, Moloch, care to honour JarJars wish and provide an answer to these questions?
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On April 07 2013 18:35 Warent wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 15:45 Obzy wrote:On April 07 2013 08:59 TheRavensName wrote:On April 07 2013 08:55 jrkirby wrote:
Well only a couple minutes left, I think. Oh, well, we're gonna lynch town... But I would have to vote for you to save him. And I like you more then him. Sorry. Ravens, what did you mean by this? You are implying that you like Kirby more than Jampi - sure, w/e - but why would you have to vote for Kirby =l You'd be voting for Jarjar. Am I getting confused over nothing? I think the way you acted pre-lynch was reasonably townie, it's just this post that confuses me. I'm curious about this as well? And did we forget about Nobody?
I thought that Jampi was the second highest votes, not Jarjar. My bad. But still, I want to give Jarjar a chance to show up and contribute. Now if he doesn't show back up well enough, or just looks bad, I see no reason not to lynch him after that.
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On April 07 2013 23:03 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 18:35 Warent wrote:On April 07 2013 15:45 Obzy wrote:On April 07 2013 08:59 TheRavensName wrote:On April 07 2013 08:55 jrkirby wrote:
Well only a couple minutes left, I think. Oh, well, we're gonna lynch town... But I would have to vote for you to save him. And I like you more then him. Sorry. Ravens, what did you mean by this? You are implying that you like Kirby more than Jampi - sure, w/e - but why would you have to vote for Kirby =l You'd be voting for Jarjar. Am I getting confused over nothing? I think the way you acted pre-lynch was reasonably townie, it's just this post that confuses me. I'm curious about this as well? And did we forget about Nobody? I thought that Jampi was the second highest votes, not Jarjar. My bad. But still, I want to give Jarjar a chance to show up and contribute. Now if he doesn't show back up well enough, or just looks bad, I see no reason not to lynch him after that.
EBWOP: I mean Jarjar as the second, not Jampi.
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Well it was jamp that posted that not jarjar so I don't see how it is his wish...
But I will tell you Warrent that I was really upset when Jampi flipped town. I thought it was all so easty. Jamp was scum and kirby was defending him so he must be scum. I thought I had a good case, his useless questions, and his demand to answer useless questions.
I guess that is all I will say about that. I kno
There are two people I really think are scum right now.
I dont like Jarjar for lurking. But more than that I think Rainbows might be scum. At fist I was convinced he was just getting the ball rolling. But he did more than that. He got hte ball rolling and then he kicked it, diverted it, and blew it up.
Look at all the confusion he caused, and look at the ridiculous way he raged, claimed, then quit.
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On April 07 2013 23:04 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 23:03 TheRavensName wrote:On April 07 2013 18:35 Warent wrote:On April 07 2013 15:45 Obzy wrote:On April 07 2013 08:59 TheRavensName wrote:On April 07 2013 08:55 jrkirby wrote:
Well only a couple minutes left, I think. Oh, well, we're gonna lynch town... But I would have to vote for you to save him. And I like you more then him. Sorry. Ravens, what did you mean by this? You are implying that you like Kirby more than Jampi - sure, w/e - but why would you have to vote for Kirby =l You'd be voting for Jarjar. Am I getting confused over nothing? I think the way you acted pre-lynch was reasonably townie, it's just this post that confuses me. I'm curious about this as well? And did we forget about Nobody? I thought that Jampi was the second highest votes, not Jarjar. My bad. But still, I want to give Jarjar a chance to show up and contribute. Now if he doesn't show back up well enough, or just looks bad, I see no reason not to lynch him after that. EBWOP: I mean Jarjar as the second, not Jampi.
EBWOPx2: I need to stop posting when I just woke up.
I thought I would have to vote for JRK to save Jampdi. Because when I looked at the vote count [g]Can we get a final one anyways?[/g] I thought JRK had three and Jarjar had 2.
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Added final votecount to the nightpost
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On April 07 2013 05:12 Moloch wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 05:10 jampidampi wrote:
Moloch, your forgetting the possibility that isn't a vigilante in the game. That's possible? Well, then. I'm going to have to rethink this.
You've had some time to relook at Rainbow's blue claim as well as the lynch, do you have any thoughts or feelings you would like to share sense you were one of the ones who did vote for him?
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If rainbows dies and flips scum tonight I want to go for obzy. If he lives and gets "roleblocked" I really have to think things through again. For someone as crazy as him, it's he might even be VT and claimed Vigilante. Yes there might not be vigilante, but did he really choose to take that risk? If there is vigilante, and scum don't get really lucky with the roleblock, he's going to die tonight. I would kill him if I were vigilante.
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On April 08 2013 02:02 jrkirby wrote:
If rainbows dies and flips scum tonight I want to go for obzy. If he lives and gets "roleblocked" I really have to think things through again. For someone as crazy as him, it's he might even be VT and claimed Vigilante. Yes there might not be vigilante, but did he really choose to take that risk? If there is vigilante, and scum don't get really lucky with the roleblock, he's going to die tonight. I would kill him if I were vigilante.
Last game he risked a sure win with a fake cop claim because it seemed fun.
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@Kirby - For the most part, I agree. The problem is - if rainbows dies tonight, it's a little too lucky for us. (I was explaining how a mafia game worked to my younger brother, and we discussed the possible consequences and likelihood of Rainbows dying tonight. My thoughts) -
+ Show Spoiler +If Rainbows is real vig[my opinion], then he will likely not die tonight. He's the target of lots of reasonably justifiable suspicion, he afked catastrophically, I don't see why scum would kill him, they would just roleblock him and push/let him be pushed tomorrow.
If Rainbows lied about being vig and is actually town, what the fuck i have no idea we can't tell the difference between this and vig until he flips so i guess if he flips VT it confirms him for being completely out of control and clueless? But it doesn't really change whether or not he'll die.
If he's scum and there's no real vig, we actually can't tell the situation apart from the first one. He obviously won't die tonight, barring a Vivax-esqe play (shooting a scumbuddy and claiming vig), and he'll still be the target of suspicion.
If he's scum and a vig shoots him - Awesome! It clears up town's biggest headache, and although I will look and feel like a complete idiot, killing scum is what's important, not my pride lol. The obvious choice for a real vig is to shoot Rainbows and reveal this, and truthfully I hope it's what happens, even though I think we are in the first situation outlined. I would be very surprised if he did not "live while getting roleblocked."
Although I don't want him to get mislynched tomorrow, if he doesn't show up to defend himself/rejoin town discussion, i really can't be assed to defend him in absentia for multiple days -_- Basically all scenarios where rainbows dies are fair optimal for us, so scum will be certain to try to avoid them, imo.
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Saraf, your case is saying the exact same things that have already been said about Rain. Comparatively, I like what Warent has to say a bit more. Rather than just pointing out "Yep, Rain's still scummy", he's looking more towards the push on jampi and how it relates to other people. (Me, sadly, but that's irrelevant at the moment.) I do find it curious that he mentions Smancer as the tipping point that makes it "okay" to vote Jampi - do you have a townread on Smancer, Warent?
Also - It bothers me that nobodywonder has acted effectively the same way that Jarjar has, but with far less attention given to him. It's been a day and a half lol. Jarjar needs to post more, this is well agreed upon - nobodywonder does too. Rainbows does too heh -_-
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