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jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
April 07 2013 17:43 GMT
#461
I hate all these shitty lurkers. I don't wanna lynch em cause... some of em are town. but I hate em cause they're terrible town.
Warent
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Sweden205 Posts
April 07 2013 20:25 GMT
#462
I hate all these shitty lurkers. I don't wanna lynch em cause... some of em are town. but I hate em cause they're terrible town.


Yes, the lurkers are very problematic.

Obzy, the reason; I brought up Smancer was because he was the one who committed against Jampi even though his vote basically was based on your analysis of Jampis case against Rain. I believe scum prefer to not start a miss lynch but rather try to convince others to start them. Look at this quote from Fishgle for example:

Fishgle:
My scum reads at the moment are: jampidampi, jrkirby, and warent


Jampi was town and jrkirby looks very good after this last lynch.

I was leaning town for Smancer - but right now the best way to get information will be if we can get answers from Fishgles/Smancer/Moloch on these questions:

Jampi:
If you are lynching me for doing nothing, why aren't you lynching JarJar?
If you are lynching me for bad cases, why aren't you lynching Rainbows?


And:
If you were lynching Jampi for making a case against Rain - why didn't you lynch me?

I just want the justification for Lynching Jampi.

And what is your opinion about Fishgle, Obzy?
"More drones!"
Obzy
Profile Joined April 2009
United States525 Posts
April 07 2013 22:05 GMT
#463
I liked him before the mislynch occurred, and although the fact that we mislynched made me suspicious of the other people on jampi's wagon, a quick skim through his filter leads me to still lean town on him (Fish, that is). He reacted very much like me, and agreed with my reasoning -
+ Show Spoiler +
On April 07 2013 02:49 Fishgle wrote:
holy shit. things are happening.

First off - fuck you rainbows, for being such an arrogant emotional mess. Here's a tip: it's less about what you say, and more about how you depict it. You didn't make any friends because of your abrasive behavior. I understand you were forced to reveal so you wouldn't get lynched, but it was your own damn fault that everyone suspected you.

second - fuck you rainbows, if you're actually abandoning the game.

third - THERAVENSNAME, WARENT, JAMPIDAMPI why are your votes still on rainbows? Are you guys implying that rainbows' reveal was a fake? If it were fake, there's a huge chance someone would counter-reveal, making it a terrible move for scum. it just doesn't make any sense for him to be scum, no matter how badly he plays.

4th - i think obzy has done a good job explaining further reasons as to why it's unlikely that rainbows is scum.

5th - someone asked about a comment i made about a read on Moloch. disregard it. we have bigger fish to fry now. plus, it was an early-game hunch. Moloch's posts have gotten a lot more substantive and level-headed from since i got the read.

6th - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=405359&currentpage=18#345 - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=405359&currentpage=12#231

I really think this is the best lead we have so far, coupled with the fact that he's still pushing a lynch on rainbows, who just revealed as the vigilante.

##Vote:jampidampi



if I had to be suspicious of somebody on jampi, at the moment, it's smancer, not fish. his scum reads, I would've been quite happy with pre-lynch - now, I'm obviously a bit more skeptical - but I don't think that they make him scum, just reaching with the association to a jampi case. I'm more suspicious of Smancer than the other two, although they obviously all need to keep talking, along with everybody else ^^

Specifically regarding smancer; what's with the rainbows flip-flop? I'll admit, my own confidence was shaken - but really, does the jampi lynch change rainbows' situation? Rainbows wasn't even here for the majority of the jampi stuff. (Which is fucking bad, no doubt! But for Smancer to bring up rainbows after the fact? =l *shrug*

Also not liking Jarjar for lurking - why not nobodywonder as well? Jarjar just happened to be the one being voted for lurking at that time.

This isn't concrete, of course - but if I had to pick somebody on jampi's wagon that was actually scum, it would be Smancer, not Fish or Moloch. [Naturally, I am ignoring myself. ^^] Does anybody have any opinions on this?
I have nothing to put here. Obzy#1821 on Bnet.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
April 07 2013 22:16 GMT
#464
All my reads depend on whether rainbows is alive after the end of the night and how many people die. When would rainbows be modkilled if he never shows up?
Obzy
Profile Joined April 2009
United States525 Posts
April 07 2013 22:20 GMT
#465
Kirby, what do you mean by that? Your post doesn't really say anything. (I believe rainbows would be modkilled if he has not placed a vote by the end of day 2, but in newbie games, there have been occasions where people have not been modkilled for not placing a vote, iirc.)

if you're worried about getting killed, post in 40 minutes when the night action resolution period is occurring (assuming we have one) about your reads, don't just say "It depends" and wait :x

Do we have a one hour night action resolution period this game?
I have nothing to put here. Obzy#1821 on Bnet.
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-07 22:36:27
April 07 2013 22:33 GMT
#466
On April 07 2013 09:15 jrkirby wrote:
Can we talk during the night?



Yes

On April 07 2013 09:48 jrkirby wrote:
If Mafia and Vigilante both killed someone different, we know who each group killed, right?



All kills are the same no matter if they come from scum, or any other kill power role which may exist.

On April 08 2013 07:20 Obzy wrote:


Do we have a one hour night action resolution period this game?


I do not believe so.





Night ends in 1.5 hours, make sure all night actions are sent in to host and co-hosts

TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
April 07 2013 22:35 GMT
#467
On April 08 2013 07:16 jrkirby wrote:
All my reads depend on whether rainbows is alive after the end of the night and how many people die. When would rainbows be modkilled if he never shows up?


While Rainbows is in the game he is in the game. That's all anyone needs to know.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Fishgle
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States2174 Posts
April 07 2013 23:01 GMT
#468
On April 07 2013 19:05 Warent wrote:
These questions from Jampi (Sarafs who brought them up first). Did anyone even try to answer them?

Show nested quote +
If you are lynching me for doing nothing, why aren't you lynching JarJar?
If you are lynching me for bad cases, why aren't you lynching Rainbows?

If you can answear these question, then fine, lynch me. But if you lynch me, you better make the most out of it postflip. Pressure the shit out of anyone who can't answear these questions. Pressure the shit out of anyone who voted for me with halfassed reasoning or blatantly sheeped.


So, Smancer, Fishgle, Moloch, care to honour JarJars wish and provide an answer to these questions?


i voted for him, not because he made bad cases, but because he didn't make any at all, except for his small ones on Saraf and jarjar at the very end. They felt like cop-out last minute BS to save his own ass, rather than well thought out arguments. He had been asking questions all game, and never giving an opinion, like he was trying to avoid any responsibility. Then, he goes after easy targets, Saraf and JarJar, both of whom have posted very little. Not only that, but he votes for JarJar, after he had just gotten 2 votes. He stated "i'll be back after clearing my thoughts", waits until Saraf and jrkirby come in with their votes on jarjar, then just copies what they do.
aka ChillyGonzalo / GnozL
Smancer
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States379 Posts
April 07 2013 23:03 GMT
#469
On April 08 2013 05:25 Warent wrote:


I was leaning town for Smancer - but right now the best way to get information will be if we can get answers from Fishgles/Smancer/Moloch on these questions:




Just to speak up, I did make a post in reagards to what has happened and who I noew suspect. Unfortunately I can't get any more from Rainbows or jarjar at the moment because no one is posting at all.
A good way to threaten somebody is to light a stick of dynamite. Then you call the guy and hold the burning fuse up to the phone. "Hear that?" you say. "That's dynamite, baby."
Moloch
Profile Joined June 2008
Canada222 Posts
April 07 2013 23:14 GMT
#470
On April 07 2013 19:05 Warent wrote:
What bothers me is the heavy focus on how things are being presented instead of looking at the content.

These questions from Jampi (Sarafs who brought them up first). Did anyone even try to answer them?

Show nested quote +
Since it's almost midnight, I'll post this and go to bed.

If you are lynching me for doing nothing, why aren't you lynching JarJar?
If you are lynching me for bad cases, why aren't you lynching Rainbows?

If you can answear these question, then fine, lynch me. But if you lynch me, you better make the most out of it postflip. Pressure the shit out of anyone who can't answear these questions. Pressure the shit out of anyone who voted for me with halfassed reasoning or blatantly sheeped.

Hopefully I'm alive when I wake up. Goodnight folks.


So, Smancer, Fishgle, Moloch, care to honour JarJars wish and provide an answer to these questions?


On April 07 2013 23:19 TheRavensName wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2013 05:12 Moloch wrote:
On April 07 2013 05:10 jampidampi wrote:
Moloch, your forgetting the possibility that isn't a vigilante in the game.


That's possible?

Well, then. I'm going to have to rethink this.

You've had some time to relook at Rainbow's blue claim as well as the lynch, do you have any thoughts or feelings you would like to share sense you were one of the ones who did vote for him?


I'll do my best to answer both of these. I didn't particularly want to lynch JJD because, while he exhibited some of the same signs as jampi early-game (only ever talking about one person and never giving their own opinions on anything else), there wasn't nearly as many posts to go on. I realized that he might be scum lurking, but I felt there was a better chance he was just busy than he was lurking with malicious intent.

As far as comparing him to Rainbows, the only thing the two of them have in common is that they each made a bad case. Overall, I felt the chance of the entire Rainbows ragequitting being legitimate was higher than being completely faked.

While I've been thinking about it post-fact, I've been trying to think about Rainbows' move from a scum perspective. What would it gain them?
- It gained them a non-Rainbows lynch. At the time of the explosion, I believe Rainbows was the one on track to being lynched.
- It spread a lot of discord.
Both of these things are obviously what they want short-term - especially if Rainbows actually is scum.

BUT
At the time of his declaration, they would have no way of knowing whether there's a real vigi. If there is, it's quite obvious the best thing for him to do is take out Rainbows - something the scum have no way of preventing unless they convince the doctor to protect him - which would result in good discussion and make people's alliance's easier to read.

I'm going to wait until tomorrow before I read too much into anything. The scum hitting someone will give us another confirmed townie, so that will change almost every read we can make at the moment.
Fishgle
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States2174 Posts
April 07 2013 23:31 GMT
#471
On April 08 2013 07:05 Obzy wrote:
if I had to be suspicious of somebody on jampi, at the moment, it's smancer, not fish. his scum reads, I would've been quite happy with pre-lynch - now, I'm obviously a bit more skeptical - but I don't think that they make him scum, just reaching with the association to a jampi case. I'm more suspicious of Smancer than the other two, although they obviously all need to keep talking, along with everybody else ^^

Specifically regarding smancer; what's with the rainbows flip-flop? I'll admit, my own confidence was shaken - but really, does the jampi lynch change rainbows' situation? Rainbows wasn't even here for the majority of the jampi stuff. (Which is fucking bad, no doubt! But for Smancer to bring up rainbows after the fact? =l *shrug*

Also not liking Jarjar for lurking - why not nobodywonder as well? Jarjar just happened to be the one being voted for lurking at that time.

This isn't concrete, of course - but if I had to pick somebody on jampi's wagon that was actually scum, it would be Smancer, not Fish or Moloch. [Naturally, I am ignoring myself. ^^] Does anybody have any opinions on this?


if I were to look at the mislynch completely objectively, I would say that i'm the scum. I was the first to point out jampi being suspicious, and then I spearheaded the lynch, i think. Smancer helped me a lot, but I don't know if he would have even thought about jampi if it weren't for me. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=405359&currentpage=12#231 After that post, Smancer goes on to make his big incriminating argument, which is what got the lynch i think. I'm not sure what to make of it. i wouldn't have voted for jampi if it weren't for smancer's posts either. I was trying to build a case against warent at the time. So... since i'm obviously not going to vote for myself, i don't feel it'd be fair to vote for Smancer in this instance either. Unless someone else can show me some other evidence against smancer, i'm not going to point any fingers yet for the mislynch.

I'm going to look over warent, saraf, and moloch's filters right now. I have null reads on all of them.

Also, I think rainbows might need a second look. Before, I was completely sure he was telling the truth about the claim, but now i'm starting to doubt it.
aka ChillyGonzalo / GnozL
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
April 07 2013 23:53 GMT
#472
If rainbows survives the night I have a lot more faith in him. If he was lying about his claim, I doubt he'll survive. There might not be a vigilante, but I'm going to bet that there is. If it was a false claim, he might as well have claimed doctor, because what's the real doctor going to do? If they counter claim, it's just one guy's word against another's. But vigilante is different. Since he claimed vigilante, the real vigilante will kill him tonight if he was lying and there is one (I'm betting/hoping there is one). The thing I'd really hate is for him and another guy to die tonight, both flipping VT. That would be the absolute worst.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
April 08 2013 00:01 GMT
#473
Er, deadline. Day post coming shortly-ish :D
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
April 08 2013 00:07 GMT
#474
Day 2

[image loading]
Well we know where this is going.


Saraf sat on his couch. watching porn. Every day, the same day. The TV started to flicker... it was fuzzy? Maybe he's seeing things, it's back to normal. It flickers again. Saraf blinks his eyes. What's going on? He takes another mouthful of popcorn. Maybe he was seeing things because he hadn't eaten enough. That must be it.

The TV went fuzzy again, and the lights flickered.

"Stupid blackouts" Saraf muttered.

Out of the screen came a figure. was he imagining things? What's going on?

There was a familiar sneer.

"Just line 'em up."

Saraf, Coach Potato, was killed!



It is now Day 2. You have just under 48 hours to decide your lynch!
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
April 08 2013 00:14 GMT
#475
Damn. Rainbows is still alive. Either he's actually vigilante or there is no vigilante.
Obzy
Profile Joined April 2009
United States525 Posts
April 08 2013 00:19 GMT
#476
Interesting. Not what I was expecting, for sure. Saraf's filter is quite short, the primary thing I see is him attacking Rain. so I guess the question is, was he killed to incriminate rain, or because he was specifically going after rain, or could it be some other reason entirely lol.

I guess since it's the beginning of the day I'll say this now - -;,

I don't intend to vote for Rain today. I also don't really intend to defend him. If he doesn't return in a timely manner, then he should probably be lynched because he isn't giving us anything to work with [Unless we have somebody that is identifiably more scummy than Rain is.] If he comes back, then it will depend. We also have nobodywonder and Jarjar lurking - I would like to see more from both of them, today.

kirby, regarding your last post - it was almost guaranteed imho that Rain would survive the night unless we had another vigilante. Him not dying implies that: 1. we either do not have a vig, the vig was unluckily roleblocked, or an idiot doctor protected him despite the fact that Rain's death-by-night-kill-specifically would be rather convenient at this point in time.
2. He isn't fakeclaiming. Regardless of what he fakeclaimed, there could have potentially been a counter-claim - i specifically think vigilante would be a dangerous fakeclaim to make _because_ the real vig could just quietly off him, whetheras doctor would at least require a counterclaim to disprove in such a neat fashion. *shrug*
I have nothing to put here. Obzy#1821 on Bnet.
Obzy
Profile Joined April 2009
United States525 Posts
April 08 2013 00:19 GMT
#477
On April 08 2013 09:14 jrkirby wrote:
Damn. Rainbows is still alive. Either he's actually vigilante or there is no vigilante.


i used a lot of words to say a little - yes, i think this is likely correct.
I have nothing to put here. Obzy#1821 on Bnet.
Obzy
Profile Joined April 2009
United States525 Posts
April 08 2013 00:23 GMT
#478
oh; and gg Saraf.
I have nothing to put here. Obzy#1821 on Bnet.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
April 08 2013 00:28 GMT
#479
I guess my reads now are smancer, jarjar, and fishgle.
Fishgle
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States2174 Posts
April 08 2013 00:40 GMT
#480
i don't get it. why Saraf?
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