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Obzy
United States525 Posts
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Fishgle
United States2174 Posts
here saraf states that he would be willing to vote for a townie, just because of bad play. Is that really something a townie would do? is Rainbows's play helping town? No, not really, he's being irrational and flinging shit all over the place so trying to lynch him isn't even really a bad choice i don't like it. I mean, i would love to just vote rainbows out for playing terribly, but it's highly likely that he's town. I don't see how a mislynch is going to help us at all. As for the case against jarjar. I do think he looks scummy. But he's hardly posted at all. I think he's lazy. I think I would vote for him if jampi didn't look as scummy. It feels like you're jumping onto jarjar because he's an easy target that won't defend himself, seeing as he doesn't post at all. We can lynch him later for continued lurking, but i don't think that there's a real strong case against him atm. Smancer just pointed out something interesting too, about jrkirby On April 07 2013 08:02 Smancer wrote: I just can't believe you don't think it is suspicious and you go a step further to say you think he is town. But then again your play has mirrored his. Early case against Rainbows. Now you are both voting for the lurker. I don't think jarjar is a good vote day 1. There are plenty of other people posting with actual content to make a read on. The bottom line is that I have made a case based on actual content from jamp. So has Obzy , so has Moloch . There is no case on JarJar other than lurker. None. Why would you rather make a read on nothing other then something?? Which makes me think that jampi and jrkirby are scumbuddies. Jampi's play is completely wishy-washy, and when he's not asking banal questions, he's making noncommittal statements against others. | ||
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Fishgle
United States2174 Posts
On April 07 2013 08:08 Obzy wrote: The goal is to kill scum, not bad town. ^^this this is newbie mafia, guys. most of us are going to play terribly. Don't punish people for being bad at the game. | ||
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jrkirby
United States1510 Posts
Heres my full read: JarJarDrinks, Rainbows, and Obzy are scum. JarJar defended Rainbows with his stupid vote on me. That wasn't enough. Rainbows just knew he had to vote anywhere but Obzy or JarJar. Things get rough and he votes wherever, cause he's stupid. Obzy know he has to save his partner's ass. And Obzy does so well, because Obzy isn't terrible at this game. But Obzy can't let JarJar get lynched either. That would be cutting it too close. So blame gets put on jampi, who made a foolish post on rainbows. Another reason they thought they could get jampi was my unfounded suspicion of him. But I didn't hold to that hunch, because I'm just not seeing it. What I am seeing is two terrible scum (JarJar and Rainbows), and one clever scum (Obzy). Why do I think jarjar is the best lynch tonight? He's the one I'm most confident on. He's the one that's least bad to lose if I'm wrong. JarJarDrinks could still be scum even if my theory is wrong. And probably is. TheRavensName needs to get back here. Warent needs to get back here. nobodywonder needs to get back here. Rainbows should get back here, but I don't care, he's stupid. | ||
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jrkirby
United States1510 Posts
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Fishgle
United States2174 Posts
I have to think about Obzy being scum. I've been trusting him too much, I think. Hmm | ||
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Fishgle
United States2174 Posts
 I lost my lurker, guys. RIP | ||
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TheRavensName
United States911 Posts
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jrkirby
United States1510 Posts
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jrkirby
United States1510 Posts
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Smancer
United States379 Posts
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Obzy
United States525 Posts
Me, trying to motivate the thread, think rationally, critically, and attempt to listen to others, Rainbows, who has claimed Vigilante and rage-quit, and JarJar, who is lurking and everyone admits is lurking, First off, I would be perfectly happy to omgus you for that, but this isn't the time for shenanigans - I'd rather vote Jampi atm. Second off, this is the first time you've mentioned me in a negative light - honestly, it's the first reason anybody has mentioned me in a negative light, I think xD maybe i'm forgetting someone I don't really have much to say with regards to making association cases with unflipped players - I don't think it's wise, though. If Rainbows is eventually lynched and found to be scum, then I admit my culpability and foolishness. If JarJar is lynched and found to be scum - Great! It was a shot in the dark, a lucky twist based on the fact that _we can not really read him._ We are reading Jampi. How can you be the most confident on a lurker? I don't necessarily disagree with the possibility of JarJar being scum, but I think that Jampi is a much surer thing. On association, + Show Spoiler + If Jampi flips scum, you look much worse, and JarJar looks a bit better. Better still, if you also later flip scum. I don't want to accuse you until we see that, though - Association with unflipped players and all. If you are town, and legitimately think I am scum - Go ahead and ask me questions, test my reactions, get my opinions - I've made every effort to be open, to help the thread get going and to help guide town towards the players that I think are scummy. I have some scumreads and townreads and have made them very clear, but if you or any other players would like additional clarity, I would be happy to grant it. I think you're accusing me because I'm not movable from the Jampi lynch at this point, have been very vocal regarding Rain's innocence, and have stated that I do not intend to vote JarJar today. | ||
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jrkirby
United States1510 Posts
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Obzy
United States525 Posts
I think I need an hour or so cool down. My mind is spinning in circles and I can't have clear thoughs. I might be tunneling Rainbows hardcore and maybe thats why everything he does and says adds up as scummy in my mind. If you have something you want me to address, leave it in the threas. Will be back in an hour or maybe a little less. At this point, he had not posted for a significant amount of time - and returns to say that he needs to calm down. After one hour, he returns to reread the thread. After 45 minutes, he removes his vote from Rainbows and votes Jarjar, a lurker. So - what happened in that 4 hour period before he returned to say that he needed to calm down, since he apparently had been raging for 4+ hours? Specifically, in the 30 minutes from 2:36 to 3:05, he picked up votes from myself, Fish, and Moloch. Sounds like a good reason to suddenly about-face! Jampi feels like a surer thing than Jarjar. jarjar STILL hasn't posted! =/ | ||
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Fishgle
United States2174 Posts
On April 07 2013 08:41 jrkirby wrote: If I am wrong, I don't want to lose you. <3 Twuuu wuuuuvvv <3 Alright, there's five of us here, and something came up and i have to be gone pretty soon. let's get a decision out, shall we. options: rainbows, jampi, jarjar...? I'm thinking I'm going to keep my vote on jampi. I made that decision long ago, and none of jampi's posts since have changed my mind about him too much. And furthermore, I don't wont to be pressured into making a bad vote a the last second. I don't function very well under pressure :S | ||
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Smancer
United States379 Posts
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Fishgle
United States2174 Posts
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Saraf
United States160 Posts
But here's the biggest reason I'm not fighting his lynch: his parting shot is basically an excerpt from my last post right after he calls me suspicious. Take a look (relevant parts only and bolded/underlined for emphasis): On April 07 2013 04:15 Saraf wrote: jampidampi: If we're lynching people for cases that don't fucking make sense, then in the time we lynch jampidampi we should have lynched Rainbows twice. That's basically my feeling on him. Is he trying to get Rainbows lynched? Yes. Is his case pretty bad? Damn right it is. But is Rainbows's play helping town? No, not really, he's being irrational and flinging shit all over the place so trying to lynch him isn't even really a bad choice. But more on Rainbows in his section. JarJarDrinks: Has fewer posts than me and I've been lurking something fierce, but all of his posts have been devoted to tunneling jrkirby. Absolutely nothing he has done has actually helped town and "you're a little bit scummy" is pretty much the extent of his reasoning. At the very least jampidampi has been trying to get information out of people; it's not working, but that's just because nobody was actually even trying with him. JJD is trying to get by under the radar and that is not going to fly anymore. ##vote JarJarDrinks On April 07 2013 05:50 jampidampi wrote: Since it's almost midnight, I'll post this and go to bed. If you are lynching me for doing nothing, why aren't you lynching JarJar? If you are lynching me for bad cases, why aren't you lynching Rainbows? If you can answear these question, then fine, lynch me. But if you lynch me, you better make the most out of it postflip. Pressure the shit out of anyone who can't answear these questions. Pressure the shit out of anyone who voted for me with halfassed reasoning or blatantly sheeped. Hopefully I'm alive when I wake up. Goodnight folks. So he calls me suspicious when he switches his vote to JJD but then basically says the exact same thing as me when he logs? I think that's pretty suspect but I think we'll get more information if there's a last-second vote-switch onto jarjar, so I'm going to leave my vote where it is. | ||
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TheRavensName
United States911 Posts
On April 07 2013 08:35 Smancer wrote: TRN are you going to stick with Rainbows as your vote? Yes. Yes I am. I feel like his reaction was inappropriate and I feel as though the vigi claim was a fake. Most of his cases ignore facts that are written right in the middle of the same sentances hes using. Its just a way for him to try and cloud peoples heads that arn't really paying attention. I think the fact hes not even going to vote, unless apaprently he has to in which case he will OMGUS, is pretty scatchy. Jarjar hasn't posted enough for me to want ot lynch him when there is enough people being read as scum, feels like too much of an easy out.Saraf has very few posts too but were not going after him. Jrk and Jampdi give me town readings, especially Jrk. I think his last readings is on the right track, even if I'm not sold on the Jarjar thing yet. Jampdi is pushing rainbows pretty well and has been looking for scum quite a few times, enough to get rainbows to rage out. | ||
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Obzy
United States525 Posts
I really don't think a panic switch is going to reap results :l (Particularly onto anybody other than Jampi or Jarjar.) And out of those two, I prefer Jampi. @Fish - Yes, that definitely sounds legitimate to me. If he needed to "calm down", he would have calmed down well before the votes for him materialized. The timing makes no sense, it feels (looking back) like he was stalling for time, and looking at how to extract himself from the situation. | ||
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