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On March 30 2013 10:17 ObviousOne wrote:
Acro is also on the campaign against me that SNB was running from - that my word choice somehow espouses a mafia mindset. The only point regarding me I felt had any value at all was that I was putting in a lot of effort and he gave me the null stamp.
I have to agree with Acro on this. A lot of your reads (even your case on me from D1) is full of "might or might not be". I don't like that, because as mafia you are already giving yourself an out by saying "i might be wrong but...".
What I did not like about Acro's action N1 was questioning why/what was to be gained from looking at how the D1 lynch wagon came about. Funny that he wouldn't want that to be discussed when he was 100% absolutely no-question certain that Nisani was mafia for most of D1. How better to shut down that conversation than to discredit the only person willing to put in the work to do it?
I agree with Acro on this also. I think most of your N1 "plan" was based on that sinani is mafia (which town can't know). That would be a lot of discussion worth nothing (or needed to be revisited) if sinani in fact is town.
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Apparently rayn is mafia in XXXIX
this makes me think considerably worse of him here (sorry man)
see you all tomorrow
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On March 30 2013 10:21 marvellosity wrote:
Apparently rayn is mafia in XXXIX
this makes me think considerably worse of him here (sorry man)
see you all tomorrow
Still here for half a second?
You had Acro down as town during the night because of his "silliness". Then rescinded it. What made you change your mind?
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On March 30 2013 10:23 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2013 10:21 marvellosity wrote:
Apparently rayn is mafia in XXXIX
this makes me think considerably worse of him here (sorry man)
see you all tomorrow Still here for half a second? You had Acro down as town during the night because of his "silliness". Then rescinded it. What made you change your mind?
purely numbers
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On March 30 2013 10:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2013 10:17 ObviousOne wrote:
Acro is also on the campaign against me that SNB was running from - that my word choice somehow espouses a mafia mindset. The only point regarding me I felt had any value at all was that I was putting in a lot of effort and he gave me the null stamp. I have to agree with Acro on this. A lot of your reads (even your case on me from D1) is full of "might or might not be". I don't like that, because as mafia you are already giving yourself an out by saying "i might be wrong but...". Show nested quote +What I did not like about Acro's action N1 was questioning why/what was to be gained from looking at how the D1 lynch wagon came about. Funny that he wouldn't want that to be discussed when he was 100% absolutely no-question certain that Nisani was mafia for most of D1. How better to shut down that conversation than to discredit the only person willing to put in the work to do it? I agree with Acro on this also. I think most of your N1 "plan" was based on that sinani is mafia (which town can't know). That would be a lot of discussion worth nothing (or needed to be revisited) if sinani in fact is town.
The plan was to look into it and try to draw conclusions from it. Why are people so thick about this? Fuck-all else was happening in the thread anyhow. Seriously. I did some leg-work. During night phase. When people were sleeping. I drew my own conclusions from it. This is simple shit. Mountains from molehills up in this piece.
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On March 30 2013 10:21 marvellosity wrote:
Apparently rayn is mafia in XXXIX
this makes me think considerably worse of him here (sorry man)
see you all tomorrow
wow, a meta case on me. I play the same as town or mafia, believe or not, jsut that my intentions are different. But go on and expand this, you have been willing to do this a while anyways. I'm willing to hear that.
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On March 30 2013 10:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2013 10:21 marvellosity wrote:
Apparently rayn is mafia in XXXIX
this makes me think considerably worse of him here (sorry man)
see you all tomorrow wow, a meta case on me. I play the same as town or mafia, believe or not, jsut that my intentions are different. But go on and expand this, you have been willing to do this a while anyways. I'm willing to hear that.
it's just brief; I actually will look into you tomorrow now. For the longest time I had written you off as paranoid town. XXXIX shows you're perfectly happy to take the lead as mafia (very few are). I don't really have an opinion of you now in this game.
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Like, can you not see town motivation for reviewing how the lynch wagon got started? I'm all ears, but I'm staggered that you haven't thought it yet.
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On March 30 2013 10:24 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2013 10:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 30 2013 10:17 ObviousOne wrote:
Acro is also on the campaign against me that SNB was running from - that my word choice somehow espouses a mafia mindset. The only point regarding me I felt had any value at all was that I was putting in a lot of effort and he gave me the null stamp. I have to agree with Acro on this. A lot of your reads (even your case on me from D1) is full of "might or might not be". I don't like that, because as mafia you are already giving yourself an out by saying "i might be wrong but...". What I did not like about Acro's action N1 was questioning why/what was to be gained from looking at how the D1 lynch wagon came about. Funny that he wouldn't want that to be discussed when he was 100% absolutely no-question certain that Nisani was mafia for most of D1. How better to shut down that conversation than to discredit the only person willing to put in the work to do it? I agree with Acro on this also. I think most of your N1 "plan" was based on that sinani is mafia (which town can't know). That would be a lot of discussion worth nothing (or needed to be revisited) if sinani in fact is town. The plan was to look into it and try to draw conclusions from it. Why are people so thick about this? Fuck-all else was happening in the thread anyhow. Seriously. I did some leg-work. During night phase. When people were sleeping. I drew my own conclusions from it. This is simple shit. Mountains from molehills up in this piece.
I didn't like the approach. I explained it in thread before. If we want to analyze the Nisani/sinani/Keir wagons we should look into why people decided to vote any of those people and not just look into the Nisani wagon.
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On March 30 2013 10:26 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2013 10:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 30 2013 10:21 marvellosity wrote:
Apparently rayn is mafia in XXXIX
this makes me think considerably worse of him here (sorry man)
see you all tomorrow wow, a meta case on me. I play the same as town or mafia, believe or not, jsut that my intentions are different. But go on and expand this, you have been willing to do this a while anyways. I'm willing to hear that. it's just brief; I actually will look into you tomorrow now. For the longest time I had written you off as paranoid town. XXXIX shows you're perfectly happy to take the lead as mafia (very few are). I don't really have an opinion of you now in this game.
Yes i am happy to take the lead as mafia. I want to make the game go my way whatever alignment i am. The better players the harder that is. I think i already said (on D1) that i play the same as mafia as i do as town, especially on D1.
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On March 30 2013 10:21 marvellosity wrote:
Apparently rayn is mafia in XXXIX
this makes me think considerably worse of him here (sorry man)
see you all tomorrow
Hmmm?
I'm looking at XXXIX and I don't see rayne in the player list :o
Unless he was smurfing?
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This is to Kei. I'm literally going to bed immediately after this post.
I'm assuming there's 4 mafia in a 16 player setup, that seems obvious.
Hapa is way too sensible and town-leader-y to be mafia I think. You/Corazon/s&b have claims that I can't disbelieve right now.
I assume sinani and Smurf are mafia. This leaves 2 mafia.
That's out of Oats/Acro/Dandel/rayn/prplhz/OO
I can't see prplhz being mafia with Smurf, that makes no sense.
Palmar and I had townread on Oats, so for now I'll discount him as well.
That leaves Acro/Dandel/Rayn/OO
From my POV 2 of them are gonna be mafia. I'm not sure on any of them. Dandel has threatened to shoot me twice (check out his references to Themed where he NKed me as town). OO maybe seems townie? I dunno. All these players I can give vague reasons for being town. Maybe i'll find time tomorrow to check into it, maybe i won't. But that's how i basically view the game right now.
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Ooooh, Newbie XXXIX.
I thought you meant TL Mafia XXXIX 
G'nite.
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Hm I might want to lynch Acro.
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Join me Hapa in the wagon of righteousness.
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I AM OUT FOR REST OF THE NIGHT DRINKING IN CELEBRATION OF BASKETBALL
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Dandel looks town to me except for wanting to lynch Marv. I renege on him being a wildcard for now, he's prob town. Also his filter made me laugh out loud at least two times so I want to keep him around like some kind of weird mafia board Jar-Jar Binks (sorry, token joke for a token joker).
Nobody should want to lynch Marv yet. Wasn't the Marv rule invented for a reason? Please stop trying to lynch Marv. Lynch scum. Marv is not more scummy than Acro or Sinani.
Lynch Acro and Sinani.
They are scummers.
Do it.
Kill the scum!
Cut their throats!
Spill their Blood!
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On March 30 2013 10:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2013 10:24 ObviousOne wrote:On March 30 2013 10:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 30 2013 10:17 ObviousOne wrote:
Acro is also on the campaign against me that SNB was running from - that my word choice somehow espouses a mafia mindset. The only point regarding me I felt had any value at all was that I was putting in a lot of effort and he gave me the null stamp. I have to agree with Acro on this. A lot of your reads (even your case on me from D1) is full of "might or might not be". I don't like that, because as mafia you are already giving yourself an out by saying "i might be wrong but...". What I did not like about Acro's action N1 was questioning why/what was to be gained from looking at how the D1 lynch wagon came about. Funny that he wouldn't want that to be discussed when he was 100% absolutely no-question certain that Nisani was mafia for most of D1. How better to shut down that conversation than to discredit the only person willing to put in the work to do it? I agree with Acro on this also. I think most of your N1 "plan" was based on that sinani is mafia (which town can't know). That would be a lot of discussion worth nothing (or needed to be revisited) if sinani in fact is town. The plan was to look into it and try to draw conclusions from it. Why are people so thick about this? Fuck-all else was happening in the thread anyhow. Seriously. I did some leg-work. During night phase. When people were sleeping. I drew my own conclusions from it. This is simple shit. Mountains from molehills up in this piece. I didn't like the approach. I explained it in thread before. If we want to analyze the Nisani/sinani/Keir wagons we should look into why people decided to vote any of those people and not just look into the Nisani wagon.
Could you answer me about this?
Was this everything why you think Acro is scum?
Hapa why do you think Acro is scum?
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On March 30 2013 10:38 marvellosity wrote:
This is to Kei. I'm literally going to bed immediately after this post.
I'm assuming there's 4 mafia in a 16 player setup, that seems obvious.
Hapa is way too sensible and town-leader-y to be mafia I think. You/Corazon/s&b have claims that I can't disbelieve right now.
I assume sinani and Smurf are mafia. This leaves 2 mafia.
That's out of Oats/Acro/Dandel/rayn/prplhz/OO
I can't see prplhz being mafia with Smurf, that makes no sense.
Palmar and I had townread on Oats, so for now I'll discount him as well.
That leaves Acro/Dandel/Rayn/OO
From my POV 2 of them are gonna be mafia. I'm not sure on any of them. Dandel has threatened to shoot me twice (check out his references to Themed where he NKed me as town). OO maybe seems townie? I dunno. All these players I can give vague reasons for being town. Maybe i'll find time tomorrow to check into it, maybe i won't. But that's how i basically view the game right now.
See, I don't think it is likely at all that Acro and Sinani are mafia together. Sure, Acro was in there day 1 pushing the counter-wagon to Sinani after I claimed, but:
On March 29 2013 06:56 Acrofales wrote:
I have time for one more filter and picked Sinani. I actually think there's a good chance he's scum.
1. He was cagey on the OO claim. He didn't just have an opinion, but was very careful, as if he didn't want to stick his neck out.
2. No reads. He has given his opinion of Nisani. Other than that? Nothing. I don't even know what he thought of OO with the lack of a role PM. A minor blurb about prplhz.
I had a quick look at Sinani's town meta (think I only ever played with him as scum) and he seems more useful. I agree that he is more active than his usual scumgame, but a 2 page filter is not exactly the paragon of an active townie. Sinani, who do you want to lynch, why? Why have you not said anything at all about anybody except Nisani.
As an added bonus, Nisani thought he was scum at the end, and they have a long history together. It might have been an OMGUS and I have to save myself, but he did give a scumread on Sinani.
He had already been saying that Smurf was his top read. For the sake of argument, let's assume that all 3 of them are scum (Acro, Smurf, and sinani). Acro could probably see that Smurf wasn't able to be saved, so he jumps in the town sentiment with the bus. But, why would he throw sinani out there too? I mean, it's not like town would have forgotten about sinani anyways, but it makes very very little sense to bus both of your teammates like that. If was going to spend the time to look at "one more filter" and conclude that person was scum to push alongside Smurf, why his partner instead of some "weaker" townie? I just don't see it.
So yea, I find it very unlikely that Acro and Sinani are scum together. I would put my bets on one of them being scum, but not both.
So which one? I think Acro has a much, much higher chance of being scum than sinani.
As far as I can tell, the case on sinani basically boils down to 1) lurking, 2) no strong reads, 3) Nisani thought he was scum, and he thought Nisani was scum, and since they are friends they should know each other better.
So I flipped through 5-6 town sinani games. Just from looking over his filters with no context, in none of them was he exactly a beacon of townieness. He had ~1 page of filter in most. He had very little in the way of reads in most, especially thought out reads (the exception being MLP, where he did have a couple posts with 5-6 lines of solid thought). Hell, I even cross-referenced games that sinani and Nisani were both town in. In Starship, town sinani votes for town Nisani before he got lynched day 1. So meh, sinani could be scum, he could not be. I don't think any of the cases on him are super strong though, and since I don't believe sinani and Acro are scum *together*, I'm going to go out on a limb here and say I actually think sinani is town and that Acro is scum.
Now, why is Acro scum?
Well, first off, look at the post I quoted earlier. Acro "had a look at sinani's town meta and he seems more useful". I encourage you all to go look for yourselves, and see if what I described makes more sense or Acro's version. I mean, sinani is a player who has been lynched day 1 FOUR times as town (in 14 town games). And either survived or been end-gamed another 4 times. So in ~60% of his town-games he was either scummy enough to be lynched on day 1, or useless enough to never be nightkilled. Acro's description doesn't ring true, to me. It reads like someone who wants to look like he's contributing useful input, but didn't actually.
+ Show Spoiler +Semi-irrelevant because it can't be proven, but it also feels awfully "convenient" that the "one last filter" that Acro decided to flip through became his "Yep, this guy is scum. Push push push!" especially when Acro had been hard pushing his counter-wagon day 1.
On March 29 2013 07:07 Acrofales wrote:I survived! 
Is it just me, or does that read fake a hell?
I'm going to go back a bit for this next part:
On March 26 2013 13:35 Acrofales wrote:
I am null on Marv. However, town Marv just got horrifically burned in Personality. I can see him being cautious and off his game. Anyway, calling Marv scum (for realz, not for trollz) today is pointless. It will just cause a horrific tunnelfest that shits up the thread. Either Marv will get back into his groove and prove his value to town, or he won't and we lynch him later.
Reasonable sentiment. I even expressed something similar myself. But:
On March 27 2013 12:14 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 12:02 marvellosity wrote:On March 27 2013 12:00 ObviousOne wrote:On March 27 2013 11:58 Acrofales wrote:On March 27 2013 11:53 ObviousOne wrote:On March 27 2013 11:53 Acrofales wrote:
Well, do you agree that his D1 in Fruity is NOTHING like his D1 here? It's called trying to be less bad. You should try it sometime. Yeah. I'm not making a meta case on you. I never said you were scum because your meta doesn't match up. I just said it wasn't a reason to call you town, and THAT is the point I am trying to make. Don't you find it weird Marv has this magic meta town read on you when you are apparently busy changing your meta? Unless I misunderstood, his meta read on me was that I was fearless here/previous town games and I was afraid to post in Hydra (my only scum game and therefore his only scum game to draw from) which is spot on. If you understood his meta case on me differently then that may be where the malfunction is occurring. I love you (i hope you're town). For now I've written Acro off as stupid, which usually means he's town. hurray I'm 10/16 through this game! I don't trust you at all. What happened: You give a read on OO saying he isn't playing scared, which is the main theme of his scum game: Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 02:53 marvellosity wrote:
Grackeroni is an infinitely better lynch than either rayn or Obvious. Obvious isn't playing scared at all which was the overarching theme of his play in Hydra Mafia (even with VE for support).
Acro, I'll check what you said about Nisani when I'm home and have some time later. I said that I thought he was quite timid this game and wasn't sticking his neck out on anything: Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 03:01 Acrofales wrote:On March 27 2013 02:53 marvellosity wrote:
Grackeroni is an infinitely better lynch than either rayn or Obvious. Obvious isn't playing scared at all which was the overarching theme of his play in Hydra Mafia (even with VE for support).
Acro, I'll check what you said about Nisani when I'm home and have some time later. What makes you say OO is not timid? He has not really done anything that stands out except to not read his role PM, when he had, probably, not read his role pm, which makes that completely non-indicative of alignment. Since then he has shared 2 rather vague and meaningless association cases... and a meandering post about Grack that left me with the feeling that he didn't actually have an opinion either way. Where are the reads? Where is the scumhunting? Where is the townie activity? You posted the meta to show how OO is timid when he's scum: Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 03:05 marvellosity wrote:On March 27 2013 03:01 Acrofales wrote:On March 27 2013 02:53 marvellosity wrote:
Grackeroni is an infinitely better lynch than either rayn or Obvious. Obvious isn't playing scared at all which was the overarching theme of his play in Hydra Mafia (even with VE for support).
Acro, I'll check what you said about Nisani when I'm home and have some time later. What makes you say OO is not timid? He has not really done anything that stands out except to not read his role PM, when he had, probably, not read his role pm, which makes that completely non-indicative of alignment. Since then he has shared 2 rather vague and meaningless association cases... and a meandering post about Grack that left me with the feeling that he didn't actually have an opinion either way. Where are the reads? Where is the scumhunting? Where is the townie activity? Contained in the spoilered case I made in Hydra below are pretty much all of OO's contributions on Day 1 there. It feels pretty different to me. + Show Spoiler +On March 16 2013 07:59 FiveTouch wrote:The interesting thing looking at ObliviousEyes, actually, is that there's a very experienced player combined with a newbie. So we can really catch these guys out looking at Oblivious' posts; VE will be harder to catch. This post *alone* is worth a lynch: Show nested quote +On March 14 2013 14:54 ObliviousEyes wrote:
Regarding WittyHydraName: Adam's return/entrance to the thread with his declared lack of motivation is concerning to me. It's been a while without any content from that pair, too. Snarfs asked a couple questions and peaced out, seemed mostly concerned with ObsQT's vote.
Iamperfection is on that team, so I don't expect it to be clear of ObsQT's alignment immediately but Witty(snarfs) took the early vote a bit seriously. I'll keep an eye on Witty, not too concerned with ObsQT right now.
Dirk Hardpec is interesting. Chatty but not terribly informative, at least the filter/game isn't terribly long so the lack of quoting/context on the posts isn't annoying yet. VE knows them better, I'm interested in seeing the fleshed out version of his read.
-OO This really is the scummiest post in the entire thread (unlike Promato's list. take note of the difference folks). There's just a bunch of summaries of what's happening in the thread. Let's look for hard opinions, shall we? What do we have? - Witty is concerning - unclear on iamperfection - keep an eye on witty - Dirk is interesting - interested to see more Not even a shred of an opinion on anything alignment indicative. It's classic newbie mafia. The only shocking thing is that VE didn't stop him making this atrocity of a post (don't let them wifom that he would have stopped him by the way). Here's the followup: Show nested quote +On March 14 2013 15:21 ObliviousEyes wrote:On March 14 2013 06:52 Promato wrote:
Golems are a little strange. While I like both soniv and WoS neither one strikes me as a power player. their decision to simply commentate with a few snide comments tossed in is actually a decent contribution for them. I don't have trouble following their thoughts although their posts do annoy the crap out of me.
The Dirk trolling remains the most suspicious thing in the thread on first read through(sadly enough). I don't like the other reasons marv has given for voting him but marv is telling the truth about Bugs scum meta (or has been setting up this ploy for months since I'm pretty sure he mentioned it during YAN)
Adarfs is probably my follow up if Dirk turns into a useful man beast. Both Adam and Snarfs are good and, well, I'm not seeing it. Intro post was lacking and follow up has been none-existent. Lurker lyncch, but one I'd be willing to say has decentish odds of flipping scum.
anyway, fuck Yamato. I'll try to be useful. Hopefully when he shows up eventually he'll play the game like he promised.
Golems I would call scum-ish but coming from a town place. I like the role-play (it's interesting and fun to read and that makes this more fun for me!). I don't like the excusing themselves but then again, that's extending a courtesy so I'm seeing them more townie than Witty right now. Snarfs is my own main concern right now given how little he's been around and his partner certainly isn't helping. He jumped way too fast on the ObsQT vote shenanigans and then never really followed it up. Again to recap: - Golems scummish but townieish - Snarfs is concerning Another followup: Show nested quote +On March 14 2013 16:11 ObliviousEyes wrote:On March 14 2013 15:39 Moology wrote:On March 14 2013 15:21 ObliviousEyes wrote:On March 14 2013 06:52 Promato wrote:
Golems are a little strange. While I like both soniv and WoS neither one strikes me as a power player. their decision to simply commentate with a few snide comments tossed in is actually a decent contribution for them. I don't have trouble following their thoughts although their posts do annoy the crap out of me.
The Dirk trolling remains the most suspicious thing in the thread on first read through(sadly enough). I don't like the other reasons marv has given for voting him but marv is telling the truth about Bugs scum meta (or has been setting up this ploy for months since I'm pretty sure he mentioned it during YAN)
Adarfs is probably my follow up if Dirk turns into a useful man beast. Both Adam and Snarfs are good and, well, I'm not seeing it. Intro post was lacking and follow up has been none-existent. Lurker lyncch, but one I'd be willing to say has decentish odds of flipping scum.
anyway, fuck Yamato. I'll try to be useful. Hopefully when he shows up eventually he'll play the game like he promised.
Golems I would call scum-ish but coming from a town place. I like the role-play (it's interesting and fun to read and that makes this more fun for me!). I don't like the excusing themselves but then again, that's extending a courtesy so I'm seeing them more townie than Witty right now. Snarfs is my own main concern right now given how little he's been around and his partner certainly isn't helping. He jumped way too fast on the ObsQT vote shenanigans and then never really followed it up. Hello OO. (Please respond specifically instead of VE) What has liking the golem flavour got to do with them "coming from a townie place"? Does it actually matter if you think they are "more townie" than Witty; either Golems are town, scum or null; where do you stand? (moc) I don't think they're being harmful in the way they are choosing to voice themselves, though their opinions aren't exactly forthcoming they are more present and therefore more open and town-looking than Witty. It's a matter of degrees; if it were between the two right this moment I would lynch Witty over Golems. I'm not saying they're super town looking but I can see how it could be just them being town and having some fun. They haven't been under really strong pressure yet, and if they are I would hope they drop the flavor to focus on being effective instead of entertaining. Some up-to-date concrete opinions would mean a lot right now from them, though. -OO - I have made a bulletpoint but I have literally nothing to say as the post says absolutely nothing whatsoever. ObliviousEyes looks very mafia indeed when we look at ObviousOne's contributions. They are all summaries, there's a complete refusal to take stances on anyone. He is the weakling of this team, and he's proving himself as such. Classic mafia play from OO in all regards. And now comes the bait and switch, because any meta read must have two sides. You can't just say "he's not scum because he's not playing similar to his scum meta", unless it is completely obvious that he IS playing similar to his town meta. I looked at OO's town games at that is blatantly not the case. Now instead of retracting the meta read you're like "well, I meant that he wasn't scared", which is what we argued about in the first place. You are pulling an InsertSmurfHere. You cite half a meta case and then do fancy handwaving to make the other half go away. But you're not Yamato and should know better. ##unvote
##vote Marvellosity
I thought he wasn't going to call marv scum for realz? Did he just forget?
His entire premise for not wanting to call marv scum was to not cause a shitfit that sidetracks the thread and a potentially town marv. But then what happens: he gets in a shitfit with marv that went on for hours (even into the next real life day) and sidetracks the thread. I can't see any townie motivation for that.
On March 29 2013 09:31 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2013 09:26 Keirathi wrote:On March 29 2013 09:02 Acrofales wrote:On March 29 2013 08:11 Keirathi wrote:I'm okay with Smurf and marv. ##Vote: InsertSmurfHere
##Vote: marvellosity+ Show Spoiler [Mildly irrelevant] +Fun fact: Smurf has absolutely 0 mention of any opinion towards marv in his filter, aside from lumping in the null column in his list post for no reasoning. Also, his whole Dandel meta bullshit was a chainsaw defense of marv. What makes Marv scummier than Sinani? Are you not reading my posts? :o Like you even replied to my post where I asked for someone to walk me through sinani because I wasn't seeing it. Yes, there are some okay points. I just don't think it makes sinani the guaranteed scum that you seem to. And I already explained why I think Marv is scum. Maybe you should do the same because you seem awfully non-committal in your read towards him. You've done everything possible to avoid talking about him. That's mainly because I'm very unsure of Marv. I had a scumread on him, but during the night it sort of went away. I want to hear those reads he promised, so I have nothing much to say about Marv at the moment.
"I want to see if the marv bandwagon is going to take off before I give any opinions about him."
But more importantly, I wasn't putting a gun to his head and saying "Do you want to lynch marv right now? Why or why not?" I just wanted some thoughts, since he made the case on marv, called him scum a few times after that, then never followed up with it at all. What made him change his read on marv during the night? Why not share his thoughts since I specifically asked him for them?
+ Show Spoiler [mildly irrelevant] +And like I said earlier, his push onto Smurf smells very much like a necessary bus. Maybe that's "association before flips" case, but meh. Thread sentiment was already turning pretty hard towards Smurf (IMHO) when Acro came in and made his case. But I will admit that this point is both unprovable and perfectly possible from a townie. That's why it goes in a "mildly irrelevant" spoiler.
Going to drop my vote for now. Someone come around and talk about Acro with me please.
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