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On March 30 2013 09:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2013 09:40 marvellosity wrote:
Kei and I have 60 games between us. My reads may not always be correct, but stuff like that isn't really something you can argue about. Well there are different approaches to mafia for everyone and i do not think having a different approach is right/worng. It's all about identificating the motives behind peoples actions. Scumplay can be handled very differently and in my mind i didn't see that defence coming from scum!s&b. Maybe i was wrong or right or maybe we are both right here, idk.
This isn't a case of different approaches. It's like saying there's different approaches to climbing a hill, but shooting yourself in the face isn't one of them.
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@rayn Seriously though I think we're two townies arguing with each other. Your early game struck me as incredibly townie during my re-read. Palmar gave you the green light for it as well (though he later changed his mind) and you are actively discussing things in the thread including accusations against you. I want to talk about new things with you and not re-hash old. Need to get off this couch / iPod but I really don't feel like moving at this moment.
Where are you on Acro right now? He was my third scum read N1 and you can find the reasons in my filter. Later when we started talking about it he disappeared and I felt that I remained on the right track with him.
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On March 30 2013 09:55 ObviousOne wrote:
@rayn Seriously though I think we're two townies arguing with each other. Your early game struck me as incredibly townie during my re-read. Palmar gave you the green light for it as well (though he later changed his mind) and you are actively discussing things in the thread including accusations against you. I want to talk about new things with you and not re-hash old. Need to get off this couch / iPod but I really don't feel like moving at this moment.
Where are you on Acro right now? He was my third scum read N1 and you can find the reasons in my filter. Later when we started talking about it he disappeared and I felt that I remained on the right track with him.
Give me your 4 best bets for mafia. You don't have to be sure or anything, just your impressions.
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On March 30 2013 09:59 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2013 09:55 ObviousOne wrote:
@rayn Seriously though I think we're two townies arguing with each other. Your early game struck me as incredibly townie during my re-read. Palmar gave you the green light for it as well (though he later changed his mind) and you are actively discussing things in the thread including accusations against you. I want to talk about new things with you and not re-hash old. Need to get off this couch / iPod but I really don't feel like moving at this moment.
Where are you on Acro right now? He was my third scum read N1 and you can find the reasons in my filter. Later when we started talking about it he disappeared and I felt that I remained on the right track with him. Give me your 4 best bets for mafia. You don't have to be sure or anything, just your impressions.
On the quick, not in any special order:
Sinani
Acro
Smurf
Oats is a wildcard still I Haven't set down to figure him out
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Daniel is another wild card
I will filter oats and dandel when I get around to my computer
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On March 30 2013 09:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2013 09:40 marvellosity wrote:
Kei and I have 60 games between us. My reads may not always be correct, but stuff like that isn't really something you can argue about. Well there are different approaches to mafia for everyone and i do not think having a different approach is right/worng. It's all about identificating the motives behind peoples actions. Scumplay can be handled very differently and in my mind i didn't see that defence coming from scum!s&b. Maybe i was wrong or right or maybe we are both right here, idk.
Fine.
Here's scum S&B defending me for no reason in Chrono Trigger (it wasn't even a lynch day...we were electing a Mayor). He really had no reason to defend me. He just used the defense of me to start slinging suspicion at Hapa:
On November 22 2012 04:26 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 13:17 Hapahauli wrote:@ iampWelcome! As distinguishable as you are, that's not the only thing we're looking for in a party leader. I'd prefer someone with a very strong track-record of accurate D1 town reads. You're definitely someone that can be read early and be a party candidate though.
@ KeiYou're right, he is capable of pulling off big plays as scum, even day 1. But it's not like I'm giving him a town read already, nor do I plan to vote him until I do. I'm paranoid as fuck when it comes to him, but again, I'm much more confident in my ability to read him than I am any of the other vets, purely because I am extremely familiar with how marv thinks and acts. Err... but you said... On November 21 2012 12:14 Keirathi wrote:
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I said I would vote marv, barring a scummy vibe from him. And, yes, I feel I have a decent grasp of when marv is acting scummy. The key is, though, that I thoroughly trust marv's ability to make town reads. In the event that he is scum, though, even a scum marv can't afford to pick other scum without some damn good reasoning that they are town, which I believe could be seen through. Do explain good sir. ehrmagerd he was inconsistent wooooooooooooooow this is a big deal guys (no it's not) not feeling the hapa happenin right now
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I'm sure you talked about Acro in more detail in your filter, but I've had a bit to drink - can you summarise why you find him suspicious for me?
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On March 30 2013 10:06 marvellosity wrote:
I'm sure you talked about Acro in more detail in your filter, but I've had a bit to drink - can you summarise why you find him suspicious for me?
Pick me, pick me!
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On March 30 2013 10:06 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2013 10:06 marvellosity wrote:
I'm sure you talked about Acro in more detail in your filter, but I've had a bit to drink - can you summarise why you find him suspicious for me? Pick me, pick me!
Er, I choose you? (I have no idea what for, but go for it!)
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I have a town read on him because he is making sense. I still want to hear why he thinks i am scum as he said so. He is one of the people whose filter i have not read because of time management. I will reread him tomorrow though.
Can you point out why you think he is scum so we can discuss that?
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On March 30 2013 10:06 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2013 09:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 30 2013 09:40 marvellosity wrote:
Kei and I have 60 games between us. My reads may not always be correct, but stuff like that isn't really something you can argue about. Well there are different approaches to mafia for everyone and i do not think having a different approach is right/worng. It's all about identificating the motives behind peoples actions. Scumplay can be handled very differently and in my mind i didn't see that defence coming from scum!s&b. Maybe i was wrong or right or maybe we are both right here, idk. Fine. Here's scum S&B defending me for no reason in Chrono Trigger (it wasn't even a lynch day...we were electing a Mayor). He really had no reason to defend me. He just used the defense of me to start slinging suspicion at Hapa: Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 04:26 strongandbig wrote:On November 21 2012 13:17 Hapahauli wrote:@ iampWelcome! As distinguishable as you are, that's not the only thing we're looking for in a party leader. I'd prefer someone with a very strong track-record of accurate D1 town reads. You're definitely someone that can be read early and be a party candidate though.
@ KeiYou're right, he is capable of pulling off big plays as scum, even day 1. But it's not like I'm giving him a town read already, nor do I plan to vote him until I do. I'm paranoid as fuck when it comes to him, but again, I'm much more confident in my ability to read him than I am any of the other vets, purely because I am extremely familiar with how marv thinks and acts. Err... but you said... On November 21 2012 12:14 Keirathi wrote:
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I said I would vote marv, barring a scummy vibe from him. And, yes, I feel I have a decent grasp of when marv is acting scummy. The key is, though, that I thoroughly trust marv's ability to make town reads. In the event that he is scum, though, even a scum marv can't afford to pick other scum without some damn good reasoning that they are town, which I believe could be seen through. Do explain good sir. ehrmagerd he was inconsistent wooooooooooooooow this is a big deal guys (no it's not) not feeling the hapa happenin right now
If you still want to discuss this okay then:
See the difference in defences? Most notably the difference in effort s&b put into this compared to the defence in my case.
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So I unexpectedly didn't have service for the whole day. Going home now. I'll post more when I get there.
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On March 30 2013 10:07 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2013 10:06 Keirathi wrote:On March 30 2013 10:06 marvellosity wrote:
I'm sure you talked about Acro in more detail in your filter, but I've had a bit to drink - can you summarise why you find him suspicious for me? Pick me, pick me! Er, I choose you? (I have no idea what for, but go for it!)
Well, I want to hear what OO has to say.
But I've been thinking about Acro a bunch and he is interesting.
I'll explain more in a bit.
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On March 30 2013 10:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2013 10:06 Keirathi wrote:On March 30 2013 09:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 30 2013 09:40 marvellosity wrote:
Kei and I have 60 games between us. My reads may not always be correct, but stuff like that isn't really something you can argue about. Well there are different approaches to mafia for everyone and i do not think having a different approach is right/worng. It's all about identificating the motives behind peoples actions. Scumplay can be handled very differently and in my mind i didn't see that defence coming from scum!s&b. Maybe i was wrong or right or maybe we are both right here, idk. Fine. Here's scum S&B defending me for no reason in Chrono Trigger (it wasn't even a lynch day...we were electing a Mayor). He really had no reason to defend me. He just used the defense of me to start slinging suspicion at Hapa: On November 22 2012 04:26 strongandbig wrote:On November 21 2012 13:17 Hapahauli wrote:@ iampWelcome! As distinguishable as you are, that's not the only thing we're looking for in a party leader. I'd prefer someone with a very strong track-record of accurate D1 town reads. You're definitely someone that can be read early and be a party candidate though.
@ KeiYou're right, he is capable of pulling off big plays as scum, even day 1. But it's not like I'm giving him a town read already, nor do I plan to vote him until I do. I'm paranoid as fuck when it comes to him, but again, I'm much more confident in my ability to read him than I am any of the other vets, purely because I am extremely familiar with how marv thinks and acts. Err... but you said... On November 21 2012 12:14 Keirathi wrote:
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I said I would vote marv, barring a scummy vibe from him. And, yes, I feel I have a decent grasp of when marv is acting scummy. The key is, though, that I thoroughly trust marv's ability to make town reads. In the event that he is scum, though, even a scum marv can't afford to pick other scum without some damn good reasoning that they are town, which I believe could be seen through. Do explain good sir. ehrmagerd he was inconsistent wooooooooooooooow this is a big deal guys (no it's not) not feeling the hapa happenin right now If you still want to discuss this okay then: See the difference in defences? Most notably the difference in effort s&b put into this compared to the defence in my case.
I don't care what alignment you are, you need to drop this.
In LIX, I defended austinmcc really hard (to my detriment for a while) as mayor in LIX. We were both town.
Kei provided an example from Liquid City. I defended kush hard there, he was town and I was mafia.
I pull these examples up merely because they're convenient to my knowledge. But you'll find it in any mafia play. Mafia *love* to defend townies because it's super easy and potentially gets them town-credit (HELLO WHAT YOU'RE DOING HERE)
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On March 30 2013 10:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2013 10:06 Keirathi wrote:On March 30 2013 09:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 30 2013 09:40 marvellosity wrote:
Kei and I have 60 games between us. My reads may not always be correct, but stuff like that isn't really something you can argue about. Well there are different approaches to mafia for everyone and i do not think having a different approach is right/worng. It's all about identificating the motives behind peoples actions. Scumplay can be handled very differently and in my mind i didn't see that defence coming from scum!s&b. Maybe i was wrong or right or maybe we are both right here, idk. Fine. Here's scum S&B defending me for no reason in Chrono Trigger (it wasn't even a lynch day...we were electing a Mayor). He really had no reason to defend me. He just used the defense of me to start slinging suspicion at Hapa: On November 22 2012 04:26 strongandbig wrote:On November 21 2012 13:17 Hapahauli wrote:@ iampWelcome! As distinguishable as you are, that's not the only thing we're looking for in a party leader. I'd prefer someone with a very strong track-record of accurate D1 town reads. You're definitely someone that can be read early and be a party candidate though.
@ KeiYou're right, he is capable of pulling off big plays as scum, even day 1. But it's not like I'm giving him a town read already, nor do I plan to vote him until I do. I'm paranoid as fuck when it comes to him, but again, I'm much more confident in my ability to read him than I am any of the other vets, purely because I am extremely familiar with how marv thinks and acts. Err... but you said... On November 21 2012 12:14 Keirathi wrote:
--Quote Pyramid Omitted--
I said I would vote marv, barring a scummy vibe from him. And, yes, I feel I have a decent grasp of when marv is acting scummy. The key is, though, that I thoroughly trust marv's ability to make town reads. In the event that he is scum, though, even a scum marv can't afford to pick other scum without some damn good reasoning that they are town, which I believe could be seen through. Do explain good sir. ehrmagerd he was inconsistent wooooooooooooooow this is a big deal guys (no it's not) not feeling the hapa happenin right now If you still want to discuss this okay then: See the difference in defences? Most notably the difference in effort s&b put into this compared to the defence in my case.
Sorry, it's kind of spam at this point because the discussion is completely irrelevant. (Well, not completely. If you are scum, it would be in your best interest to have a town read on S&B for defending you, when by all logic you shouldn't. But meh)
We can discuss it in post-game.
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On March 30 2013 10:12 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2013 10:07 marvellosity wrote:On March 30 2013 10:06 Keirathi wrote:On March 30 2013 10:06 marvellosity wrote:
I'm sure you talked about Acro in more detail in your filter, but I've had a bit to drink - can you summarise why you find him suspicious for me? Pick me, pick me! Er, I choose you? (I have no idea what for, but go for it!) Well, I want to hear what OO has to say. But I've been thinking about Acro a bunch and he is interesting. I'll explain more in a bit.
I should have time in patches tomorrow, I'm off pretty shortly for tonight though. I'd like to talk about it with you though, so please don't keep it indefinitely.
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Acro is also on the campaign against me that SNB was running from - that my word choice somehow espouses a mafia mindset. The only point regarding me I felt had any value at all was that I was putting in a lot of effort and he gave me the null stamp.
What I did not like about Acro's action N1 was questioning why/what was to be gained from looking at how the D1 lynch wagon came about. Funny that he wouldn't want that to be discussed when he was 100% absolutely no-question certain that Nisani was mafia for most of D1. How better to shut down that conversation than to discredit the only person willing to put in the work to do it?
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On March 30 2013 10:14 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2013 10:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 30 2013 10:06 Keirathi wrote:On March 30 2013 09:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 30 2013 09:40 marvellosity wrote:
Kei and I have 60 games between us. My reads may not always be correct, but stuff like that isn't really something you can argue about. Well there are different approaches to mafia for everyone and i do not think having a different approach is right/worng. It's all about identificating the motives behind peoples actions. Scumplay can be handled very differently and in my mind i didn't see that defence coming from scum!s&b. Maybe i was wrong or right or maybe we are both right here, idk. Fine. Here's scum S&B defending me for no reason in Chrono Trigger (it wasn't even a lynch day...we were electing a Mayor). He really had no reason to defend me. He just used the defense of me to start slinging suspicion at Hapa: On November 22 2012 04:26 strongandbig wrote:On November 21 2012 13:17 Hapahauli wrote:@ iampWelcome! As distinguishable as you are, that's not the only thing we're looking for in a party leader. I'd prefer someone with a very strong track-record of accurate D1 town reads. You're definitely someone that can be read early and be a party candidate though.
@ KeiYou're right, he is capable of pulling off big plays as scum, even day 1. But it's not like I'm giving him a town read already, nor do I plan to vote him until I do. I'm paranoid as fuck when it comes to him, but again, I'm much more confident in my ability to read him than I am any of the other vets, purely because I am extremely familiar with how marv thinks and acts. Err... but you said... On November 21 2012 12:14 Keirathi wrote:
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I said I would vote marv, barring a scummy vibe from him. And, yes, I feel I have a decent grasp of when marv is acting scummy. The key is, though, that I thoroughly trust marv's ability to make town reads. In the event that he is scum, though, even a scum marv can't afford to pick other scum without some damn good reasoning that they are town, which I believe could be seen through. Do explain good sir. ehrmagerd he was inconsistent wooooooooooooooow this is a big deal guys (no it's not) not feeling the hapa happenin right now If you still want to discuss this okay then: See the difference in defences? Most notably the difference in effort s&b put into this compared to the defence in my case. Sorry, it's kind of spam at this point because the discussion is completely irrelevant. (Well, not completely. If you are scum, it would be in your best interest to have a town read on S&B for defending you, when by all logic you shouldn't. But meh) We can discuss it in post-game.
Yeah let's drop this as it's irrelevant. You asked for my reasons, i gave them. You believe it or not. ^^
Simple.
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It's not about believing, it's about education.
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Also -- Acro disappeared in the middle of our conversation about it without even saying bye =[
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