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On March 30 2013 08:28 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2013 08:13 strongandbig wrote:
Sinani got autocorrected on my phine what's a phine? are you just messing with me? I think his posting remind me more of this than of this so I don't want to lynch him. I don't care that he's not around at all. There's a reason sinani206 hasn't played on this forum for a while and it probably has something to do with how other players sometimes feel about him, and I think sometimes it's even perfectly reasonable to feel that way about him (though I don't remember that he's ever ruined any game I've been in) because: sometimes sinani206 does aggravating shit for no reason. As I see it, the reason sinani206 isn't around right now is that he got bored with the game after helping to mislynch his pal and so he left. It has absolutely nothing to do with his alignment.
Has somebody been rude or something to sinani? And mislynching your friend is not really a good reason to stop playing don't you think?
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On March 30 2013 08:25 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2013 08:22 Keirathi wrote:On March 30 2013 08:19 marvellosity wrote:
ok? you have your vote on me, so let's not worry about it too much Zzzzzz. I don't want to lynch you if you are town. Quit giving up. I'm not in here yelling at everyone to vote you, and I'm trying to back off so you don't get "on tilt" or wahtever. But you're not giving us anything. What's there to say about his stupid claim at the start of the day? It's blatantly obvious to anyone who's even vaguely reading the thread what the options were, and I believe I've shown myself to be attentive to the thread multiple times (for example, easily pulling up Palmar's read on you, or Smurf's blue snipe) There's very little to say about it other than that either he's mafia, and he won't claim, or he'll claim and be counterclaimed, or he's not mafia, in which case at some stage he'll claim and not be counterclaimed. This doesn't actually require anyone bringing anything up.
You're kind of missing the point.
I didn't "bring it up" either. I'm not accusing you of that. But I don't see how you could see the interaction and then later still think of S&B was one of your top scum reads ("Probably sinani and s&b are my top 2 right now").
Like S&B said, that points to you not really thinking about the game critically. Which is also what you did with me on day 1: call me scum for 1 thing, to the exclusion of everything else I had done in the game. And, surprise! Your "suspicion" only stopped with the claim.
Which makes some of your other stances really weird. You call Smurf scum for the entirety of day 1 and night 1. Then suddenly "He seems genuinely mad at points" so you don't want to vote him. Why this in-depth analysis for one person, but not for S&B? Not for me?
It doesn't make sense to me :o
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Even I stopped pushing snb after his not-so-softclaim.
And I missed the mason claim business for, like, 2 days straight.
Even I.
There's literally no excuse.
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On March 30 2013 08:34 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2013 08:25 marvellosity wrote:On March 30 2013 08:22 Keirathi wrote:On March 30 2013 08:19 marvellosity wrote:
ok? you have your vote on me, so let's not worry about it too much Zzzzzz. I don't want to lynch you if you are town. Quit giving up. I'm not in here yelling at everyone to vote you, and I'm trying to back off so you don't get "on tilt" or wahtever. But you're not giving us anything. What's there to say about his stupid claim at the start of the day? It's blatantly obvious to anyone who's even vaguely reading the thread what the options were, and I believe I've shown myself to be attentive to the thread multiple times (for example, easily pulling up Palmar's read on you, or Smurf's blue snipe) There's very little to say about it other than that either he's mafia, and he won't claim, or he'll claim and be counterclaimed, or he's not mafia, in which case at some stage he'll claim and not be counterclaimed. This doesn't actually require anyone bringing anything up. You're kind of missing the point. I didn't "bring it up" either. I'm not accusing you of that. But I don't see how you could see the interaction and then later still think of S&B was one of your top scum reads ("Probably sinani and s&b are my top 2 right now"). Like S&B said, that points to you not really thinking about the game critically. Which is also what you did with me on day 1: call me scum for 1 thing, to the exclusion of everything else I had done in the game. And, surprise! Your "suspicion" only stopped with the claim. Which makes some of your other stances really weird. You call Smurf scum for the entirety of day 1 and night 1. Then suddenly "He seems genuinely mad at points" so you don't want to vote him. Why this in-depth analysis for one person, but not for S&B? Not for me? It doesn't make sense to me :o
Because until he's claimed there's no reason to think he's town. I can't be arsed to log on to OMGUS right now but there's a game where I lynched palm (mafia) day 1, and had Enforced as my top scumread day 2 with coag just behind. It turned out kush had been protected by Enforced, and in my head I thought that Enforced was the only person in the game that would have protected kush instead of me (or some other dude I forget). Nonetheless I would have killed Enforced until he claimed, which he did.
You're also just bullshitting with your "to the exclusion of everything else you'd done this game". You'd done nothing, like in every game you play you're a useless shit, and had made a case in 5th place on Grack and a shit meta case on prplhz. That's literally all you did. We done here?
I also don't get how you think "he seems genuinely angry" is in-depth analysis. I'm sick of this retarded conversation with you because it's NEVER going to get either of us anywhere. Just leave me the fuck alone.
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On March 30 2013 08:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2013 08:28 prplhz wrote:On March 30 2013 08:13 strongandbig wrote:
Sinani got autocorrected on my phine what's a phine? are you just messing with me? I think his posting remind me more of this than of this so I don't want to lynch him. I don't care that he's not around at all. There's a reason sinani206 hasn't played on this forum for a while and it probably has something to do with how other players sometimes feel about him, and I think sometimes it's even perfectly reasonable to feel that way about him (though I don't remember that he's ever ruined any game I've been in) because: sometimes sinani206 does aggravating shit for no reason. As I see it, the reason sinani206 isn't around right now is that he got bored with the game after helping to mislynch his pal and so he left. It has absolutely nothing to do with his alignment. Has somebody been rude or something to sinani? And mislynching your friend is not really a good reason to stop playing don't you think?
I don't know if people have been rude to sinani206.
No I don't think so.
If I had any clue I'd probably know what marvellosity just said about me but I don't. That's probably fortunate.
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marv I'd like to officially invite you to join ego mini mafia once it goes up.
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On March 30 2013 08:39 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2013 08:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 30 2013 08:28 prplhz wrote:On March 30 2013 08:13 strongandbig wrote:
Sinani got autocorrected on my phine what's a phine? are you just messing with me? I think his posting remind me more of this than of this so I don't want to lynch him. I don't care that he's not around at all. There's a reason sinani206 hasn't played on this forum for a while and it probably has something to do with how other players sometimes feel about him, and I think sometimes it's even perfectly reasonable to feel that way about him (though I don't remember that he's ever ruined any game I've been in) because: sometimes sinani206 does aggravating shit for no reason. As I see it, the reason sinani206 isn't around right now is that he got bored with the game after helping to mislynch his pal and so he left. It has absolutely nothing to do with his alignment. Has somebody been rude or something to sinani? And mislynching your friend is not really a good reason to stop playing don't you think? I don't know if people have been rude to sinani206. No I don't think so. If I had any clue I'd probably know what marvellosity just said about me but I don't. That's probably fortunate.
I just think it's adorable that you read "mislynches the player he knows best and stops giving a shit about the game" as not alignment indicative.
Genuinely adorable.
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On March 30 2013 08:38 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2013 08:34 Keirathi wrote:On March 30 2013 08:25 marvellosity wrote:On March 30 2013 08:22 Keirathi wrote:On March 30 2013 08:19 marvellosity wrote:
ok? you have your vote on me, so let's not worry about it too much Zzzzzz. I don't want to lynch you if you are town. Quit giving up. I'm not in here yelling at everyone to vote you, and I'm trying to back off so you don't get "on tilt" or wahtever. But you're not giving us anything. What's there to say about his stupid claim at the start of the day? It's blatantly obvious to anyone who's even vaguely reading the thread what the options were, and I believe I've shown myself to be attentive to the thread multiple times (for example, easily pulling up Palmar's read on you, or Smurf's blue snipe) There's very little to say about it other than that either he's mafia, and he won't claim, or he'll claim and be counterclaimed, or he's not mafia, in which case at some stage he'll claim and not be counterclaimed. This doesn't actually require anyone bringing anything up. You're kind of missing the point. I didn't "bring it up" either. I'm not accusing you of that. But I don't see how you could see the interaction and then later still think of S&B was one of your top scum reads ("Probably sinani and s&b are my top 2 right now"). Like S&B said, that points to you not really thinking about the game critically. Which is also what you did with me on day 1: call me scum for 1 thing, to the exclusion of everything else I had done in the game. And, surprise! Your "suspicion" only stopped with the claim. Which makes some of your other stances really weird. You call Smurf scum for the entirety of day 1 and night 1. Then suddenly "He seems genuinely mad at points" so you don't want to vote him. Why this in-depth analysis for one person, but not for S&B? Not for me? It doesn't make sense to me :o Because until he's claimed there's no reason to think he's town. I can't be arsed to log on to OMGUS right now but there's a game where I lynched palm (mafia) day 1, and had Enforced as my top scumread day 2 with coag just behind. It turned out kush had been protected by Enforced, and in my head I thought that Enforced was the only person in the game that would have protected kush instead of me (or some other dude I forget). Nonetheless I would have killed Enforced until he claimed, which he did. You're also just bullshitting with your "to the exclusion of everything else you'd done this game". You'd done nothing, like in every game you play you're a useless shit, and had made a case in 5th place on Grack and a shit meta case on prplhz. That's literally all you did. We done here? I also don't get how you think "he seems genuinely angry" is in-depth analysis. I'm sick of this retarded conversation with you because it's NEVER going to get either of us anywhere. Just leave me the fuck alone.
Whatever marv. Just be a baby then.
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Says the guy who's swore at me multiple times this game for no reason whatsoever when I'd done nothing similar to provove it. Ok.
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marv, tell me what are the reasons for mafia!S&B to make this post:
On March 27 2013 23:23 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 12:55 ObviousOne wrote:On March 27 2013 11:16 Grackaroni wrote:On March 27 2013 11:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Nobody is going to vote OO/Oats/Smurf either way whatever i say. And Grack has not dona anythig useful. I would be okay switching into one of those three or Nisani/prplhz, but nobody is going to listen to me anyways so what the hell. Better to trust people i trust are town then. lol see what the hell is this. I thought he was town but nobody is going to listen to me so now I'll just vote for town. Yeah I'm actually starting to lean scum on Rayn myself. The seed was planted earlier in my second post when I said that it was possible a tired Rayn could have scum slipped. I don't recall a response to that particular sentence I pointed out, but then again I didn't phrase it as a question. For reference: On March 26 2013 14:08 ObviousOne wrote:==Some thoughts on today's action== + Show Spoiler +On March 26 2013 10:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 10:34 Keirathi wrote:On March 26 2013 10:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And given that you don't (at least you should not) know prplhz's alignment how exactly is it not beneficial to see how he reacts to the case first? Because it doesn't matter a single bit how he reacts because the case was built on false information. Hell, if I was scum, I would love nothing more than for someone to make a case on me that I could so easily refute just by posting a few quotes from my previous games that wouldn't even be hard to find. The point of making "cases" isn't to convince the person they are scum. They are to convince everyone else that someone is scum. Anyone seeing what I'm seeing here? Plus, S&B was asking for opinions about his case. The problem with meta in this prplhz case is that it's the easiest thing in the world to fake. Even the dumbest idiot could probably fake their "town meta" by posting some general advice as their first post. Other than that part, you are right. Broken out, preserving the interaction above: On March 26 2013 10:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And given that you don't (at least you should not) know prplhz's alignment how exactly is it not beneficial to see how he reacts to the case first? I thought about this sentence for a while. I probably thought about it for too long. It might even be nothing. I thought about what a Rayn might be implying here, assuming town: If we emphasize the "don't" and following parenthesis, the implication here is that Rayn is calling out Kei for shutting down a potentially useful avenue of information. Okay, I get that. I thought about what Rayn might be implying here, assuming mafia: If we emphasize the "given that you" portion, we get a scum claim.
I don't know Rayn, and I can't reference the only other recent game since it's ongoing, so I want to say it's believe from a town mindset as an accusation against Kei derailing SNB's poorly constructed case. The alternative is a tired mind, ready for sleep, just posting for the sake of posting and literally claiming scum in the thread. -snip irrelevant portion- Moving forward in the filter, I see him having scum reads on me and several other people I would consider town at this point.: On March 27 2013 09:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
PALMAR LET GO OF CORA AND GRACK AND FOCUS ON SCUM LIKE OO/OATS/SMURF/NISANI PLZ!
Don't you see thye have disappeared when townies call out other townies and laugh in the background. Man, you should be able to see that.
Who of those guys are mafia? I'm more null on Nisani but the rest are more town than scummy to me right now. So let's look at what he's brought up against his proposed alternate lynches: On March 27 2013 05:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 27 2013 05:11 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 27 2013 05:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 27 2013 05:05 ObviousOne wrote:
EBWOP: (sorry for triple)
To finish the thought, you're really just defending Grack outright without giving me a proper alternative and I don't like it. I just gave you some names who are not you. Oats / Smurf. Why not lynch them? Get off your ridiculous reasoning and tell us why other than 'go look at my filter, I cba to explain it to you' If you dont know specifically why or if you cant concisely put down a few reasons, how could we think of these people as scum? (yes it includes me, no thats not the point) Okay, here is your fucking reasoning:Oats:Oats is calling S&B scum for his bad case and Smurf he is leaning town on for equally bad case. Both of the cases are based on same (apparently false/bad) meta-reads. After being called out does a full 180. Has no scum reads other than slightly leaning scum on Smurf (in that 180). Smurf:Smurf is leaving out stuff that does not speak in favor of his DI case. Stuff that he should have obviously checked. Does defend the case later on when people call him out on it. Can't be any sort of reaction test (rofl Nisani). Other than that this is all he has done: On March 27 2013 03:04 InsertSmurfHere wrote:
Cora, you have essentially one read that you've fleshed out, and that read has met significant resistance with the thread. Why don't you give a read on a different player? I know you are capable of this as town, I saw it in Duel. Hop off your tunnel train for a minute and realize I want something more alignment indicative out of you than this attack on rayn. Called Cora out. How is he allowed to tell Cora to do something other than go after me when he hasn't done shit other than an scummy case? Look at the bolded/red sentence above, in particular. He's giving his full reasoning but he's doing it BEGRUDGINGLY. In what game do we begrudgingly give scum reads? That's pretty scummy to me on its own. Not demonstrating a town mindset IMO. The reads themselves are pretty meh. The only possible original thought I see is his stance on Oats but that's not a difficult thing to do given how easy of a target I feel Oats has made himself. Finally, resignation: On March 27 2013 11:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Nobody is going to vote OO/Oats/Smurf either way whatever i say. And Grack has not dona anythig useful. I would be okay switching into one of those three or Nisani/prplhz, but nobody is going to listen to me anyways so what the hell. Better to trust people i trust are town then. 5, count them, five possible targets for today's lynch. That's a whole lot of suspicion for so little build-up. "Let's just lynch anyone!" How about no. Not gonna do pretty formatting but I really don't like this post. I won't do pretty formatting because I'm on my phone, but there's a few things: - "the seed was planted" etc - there's no reason to include this in a town case, but scum want to establish "hey guys I'm being consistent". Makes the case implicitly about "I'm town and making this case on my scumread" as much as about actually persuading us his read is scum. - one of his key arguments is "he has bad reads / scum reads on people who everyone thinks is town." We all know this is a terrible argument, since what really matters isn't who the reads are on, but whether the reasoning for those reads demonstrates a town mindset. But saying "look who he thought was scum everyone disagrees with him so he must be the scum" makes sense as a scum case, it attracts the attention of those people and makes the case easier to sheep. - I also don't really agree with the "begrudging" part, I think when a townie feels hectored he can be plenty begrudging but scum would hide it. But that's less of a reason this case is scummy, and more just a reason I disagree with it.
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why not? what kind of silly question is this?
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On March 30 2013 08:42 marvellosity wrote:
Says the guy who's swore at me multiple times this game for no reason whatsoever when I'd done nothing similar to provove it. Ok.
What are you even talking about?
I haven't swore at you.
Pre-Post Edit: Oh wait, I said "What the fuck" to one of your posts. Mah bad, dawg.
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On March 30 2013 08:47 marvellosity wrote:
why not? what kind of silly question is this?
What's the point of defending me in case i am a) town, b)mafia?
You must have thought about it because s&b was your scumread before his claim.
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##Vote: InsertSmurfHere
##Vote: sinani6064935435
I don't have anything else to add to this game.
I find it especially tedious how people keep talking to me like they want some super awesome answers out of me, when I keep telling them if they want to vote me then they should just do so. These are my final 2 answers for today.
I may be around tomorrow at various points, but I won't be thinking about the game.
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On March 30 2013 08:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2013 08:47 marvellosity wrote:
why not? what kind of silly question is this? What's the point of defending me in case i am a) town, b)mafia? You must have thought about it because s&b was your scumread before his claim.
scum or town defend people all the time. ggnore
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Thanks :D
I'm old now so it'll be *relatively* quiet. I will probably still drink copiously, though.
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On March 30 2013 08:52 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2013 08:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 30 2013 08:47 marvellosity wrote:
why not? what kind of silly question is this? What's the point of defending me in case i am a) town, b)mafia? You must have thought about it because s&b was your scumread before his claim. scum or town defend people all the time. ggnore
My point is that as you have no idea about me, since i have not played with any of you people before (except for Palmar & prplhz, and that was 1,5 years ago), there is no reason for s&b to try to gain town credit this way.
- If i am mafia with him, it would be more beneficial for us to talk about OO's case and have me post those things as they are spot on. Me gaining town-credit from OO case against me is far more better than s&b doing it.
- If i am town why not let me & OO fight each other and shit up the thread?
- If i am town and OO is mafia this is ridiculous from the beginning.
Don't just give up please. At least try ffs.
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On March 30 2013 09:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2013 08:52 marvellosity wrote:On March 30 2013 08:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 30 2013 08:47 marvellosity wrote:
why not? what kind of silly question is this? What's the point of defending me in case i am a) town, b)mafia? You must have thought about it because s&b was your scumread before his claim. scum or town defend people all the time. ggnore My point is that as you have no idea about me, since i have not played with any of you people before (except for Palmar & prplhz, and that was 1,5 years ago), there is no reason for s&b to try to gain town credit this way. - If i am mafia with him, it would be more beneficial for us to talk about OO's case and have me post those things as they are spot on. Me gaining town-credit from OO case against me is far more better than s&b doing it. - If i am town why not let me & OO fight each other and shit up the thread? - If i am town and OO is mafia this is ridiculous from the beginning. Don't just give up please. At least try ffs.
I defend townies for no reason all the time as mafia. Much the same as I defend townies all the time as town because I believe they are town. I have literally nothing to say about this.
I've not given up, I've given my best two chances for the lynch. It's up to you guys if I'm one of the two guys who dies.
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If I take the SNB claim at face value and corroborate it with his stuff after day post he is town.
Rayn why did you have a TOWN read on SNB during day 1? You said "leaning town" so now I want to hear why you did not find him scummy yesterday. Full disclosure, go.
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