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On March 30 2013 09:04 ObviousOne wrote:
If I take the SNB claim at face value and corroborate it with his stuff after day post he is town.
Rayn why did you have a TOWN read on SNB during day 1? You said "leaning town" so now I want to hear why you did not find him scummy yesterday. Full disclosure, go.
I just posted two posts directed to marv where i explain it. :D
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Okay I will see if it satisfies me while I have my coffee. Thanks.
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On March 30 2013 09:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2013 09:04 ObviousOne wrote:
If I take the SNB claim at face value and corroborate it with his stuff after day post he is town.
Rayn why did you have a TOWN read on SNB during day 1? You said "leaning town" so now I want to hear why you did not find him scummy yesterday. Full disclosure, go. I just posted two posts directed to marv where i explain it. :D
So the sole reason for your town read was because he defended you?
Isn't that, in itself, enough scum motivation for a scum to defend a townie (he gets town reads from it)?
And like marv said, scum defend townies from other townies all the time.
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On March 30 2013 09:13 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2013 09:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 30 2013 09:04 ObviousOne wrote:
If I take the SNB claim at face value and corroborate it with his stuff after day post he is town.
Rayn why did you have a TOWN read on SNB during day 1? You said "leaning town" so now I want to hear why you did not find him scummy yesterday. Full disclosure, go. I just posted two posts directed to marv where i explain it. :D So the sole reason for your town read was because he defended you? Isn't that, in itself, enough scum motivation for a scum to defend a townie (he gets town reads from it)? And like marv said, scum defend townies from other townies all the time.
No it's not if you can instead cause a shitfest in thread like what was about to come between me and Cora on D1, i was really mad at him at some point. And the fact that s&b can't possibly know how experienced i am as a player - i could fuck something up and get myself mislynched.
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On March 30 2013 09:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2013 09:13 Keirathi wrote:On March 30 2013 09:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 30 2013 09:04 ObviousOne wrote:
If I take the SNB claim at face value and corroborate it with his stuff after day post he is town.
Rayn why did you have a TOWN read on SNB during day 1? You said "leaning town" so now I want to hear why you did not find him scummy yesterday. Full disclosure, go. I just posted two posts directed to marv where i explain it. :D So the sole reason for your town read was because he defended you? Isn't that, in itself, enough scum motivation for a scum to defend a townie (he gets town reads from it)? And like marv said, scum defend townies from other townies all the time. No it's not if you can instead cause a shitfest in thread like what was about to come between me and Cora on D1, i was really mad at him at some point. And the fact that s&b can't possibly know how experienced i am as a player - i could fuck something up and get myself mislynched.
Again: scum do this ALL THE TIME.
Do you want examples?
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EBWOP: In fact, I've already specifically mentioned one great example in this thread.
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On March 30 2013 09:17 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2013 09:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 30 2013 09:13 Keirathi wrote:On March 30 2013 09:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 30 2013 09:04 ObviousOne wrote:
If I take the SNB claim at face value and corroborate it with his stuff after day post he is town.
Rayn why did you have a TOWN read on SNB during day 1? You said "leaning town" so now I want to hear why you did not find him scummy yesterday. Full disclosure, go. I just posted two posts directed to marv where i explain it. :D So the sole reason for your town read was because he defended you? Isn't that, in itself, enough scum motivation for a scum to defend a townie (he gets town reads from it)? And like marv said, scum defend townies from other townies all the time. No it's not if you can instead cause a shitfest in thread like what was about to come between me and Cora on D1, i was really mad at him at some point. And the fact that s&b can't possibly know how experienced i am as a player - i could fuck something up and get myself mislynched. Again: scum do this ALL THE TIME. Do you want examples?
Okay. I did not know that. I think they are dumb. Distraction would be in my eyes 1000x more beneficial than some town credit in this situation. But that's the reason i read s&b as town.
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Scum defend townies because townies defend townies. And scum do what townies do so they look like townies.
It's not a very difficult concept.
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On March 30 2013 09:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2013 09:04 ObviousOne wrote:
If I take the SNB claim at face value and corroborate it with his stuff after day post he is town.
Rayn why did you have a TOWN read on SNB during day 1? You said "leaning town" so now I want to hear why you did not find him scummy yesterday. Full disclosure, go. I just posted two posts directed to marv where i explain it. :D
I only saw one and it was a question of why a mafia SNB would do something. Before when I asked this question about Marv, Kei corroborated a scenario in which a scum Marv would, as mafia, defend townies. He even just admitted as much.
Scum SNB would do that if scum SNB knew I was town. It's an easy as balls case to make and ultimately hinges on my word choice to describe what he perceives to be my "mental state". I'm going to just he blunt here and say that this method is fallible agains me because I do not have my "writing voice" set in stone. If it was judging who I said it against and if those claims we're valid it would be a better post. ( for example, was the concept that I pointed out a possible major scum slip a viable option ). That didn't seem to be discussed.
Mafia can use anything they find to get town lynched. The difference is understanding why and sometimes that doesn't become clear until a flip.
I'm inclined to believe SNB is town for the original claim that he medic protected Hapa.
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On March 30 2013 09:23 marvellosity wrote:
Scum defend townies because townies defend townies. And scum do what townies do so they look like townies.
It's not a very difficult concept.
Yes i understand that. Scum also do not want to say what they do not deed to say. An organized co-working D1 town is a disaster for mafia. That's why i think s&b's defence on me was really really a townie act.
1) Prevent a possible shitstorm between me / OO
2) Keep town organized
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No, you don't understand. But that's ok.
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On March 30 2013 09:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2013 09:23 marvellosity wrote:
Scum defend townies because townies defend townies. And scum do what townies do so they look like townies.
It's not a very difficult concept. Yes i understand that. Scum also do not want to say what they do not deed to say. An organized co-working D1 town is a disaster for mafia. That's why i think s&b's defence on me was really really a townie act. 1) Prevent a possible shitstorm between me / OO 2) Keep town organized
It's irrelevant because S&B's claim makes him very likely to be town.
But that heuristic is bad :o
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When I shadoweded VE in Nomination, oats and Mocsta went head to head for 17 pages. They both ende up looking very very town. Mafia would want to head that kind of thing off sometimes. Chaos is not the only kind of misdirection.
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On March 30 2013 09:31 ObviousOne wrote:
When I shadoweded VE in Nomination, oats and Mocsta went head to head for 17 pages. They both ende up looking very very town. Mafia would want to head that kind of thing off sometimes. Chaos is not the only kind of misdirection.
I think it is, at least at the stage the game was at that point. But that's irrelevant and not worth discussing as i disagree with you three about this.
Anyways that was the reason.
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EBWOP: I think at that stage of the game chaos is the best kind of distraction. Not the only one though.
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Kei and I have 60 games between us. My reads may not always be correct, but stuff like that isn't really something you can argue about.
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On March 30 2013 09:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
EBWOP: I think at that stage of the game chaos is the best kind of distraction. Not the only one though.
If anything you were doing what you claim to be a mafia tell - trying to start a big fight in the thread with me to create that large disruption. You corroborate that this is a tactic you feel is viable for scum and you may have attempted to draw me into a large argument over it.
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On March 30 2013 09:40 marvellosity wrote:
Kei and I have 60 games between us. My reads may not always be correct, but stuff like that isn't really something you can argue about.
Well there are different approaches to mafia for everyone and i do not think having a different approach is right/worng. It's all about identificating the motives behind peoples actions. Scumplay can be handled very differently and in my mind i didn't see that defence coming from scum!s&b. Maybe i was wrong or right or maybe we are both right here, idk.
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On March 30 2013 09:42 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2013 09:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
EBWOP: I think at that stage of the game chaos is the best kind of distraction. Not the only one though. If anything you were doing what you claim to be a mafia tell - trying to start a big fight in the thread with me to create that large disruption. You corroborate that this is a tactic you feel is viable for scum and you may have attempted to draw me into a large argument over it.
Can you show me where i was trying to start a fight with you?
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