EPTAlso, let's discuss Dandel. He's moving up higher and higher on my scum-o-meter.
Currently my scumteam looks like Smurf, Acro, Dandel, and one of marv/rayne/prplhz.
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Keirathi
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Also, let's discuss Dandel. He's moving up higher and higher on my scum-o-meter. Currently my scumteam looks like Smurf, Acro, Dandel, and one of marv/rayne/prplhz. | ||
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ObviousOne
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This is not a joke, this is for serious. If I could tell you exactly why, I would, but my role does not permit it. In other news, you just pointed out that Acro was pushing on Smurf, and I had a moment of clarity. There was no reason for a scum Acro to push a scum Smurf D1. I am dropping Acro for Smurf. You brought up his having a bullshit townread on prp. Let's talk about Smurf. | ||
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Keirathi
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On March 30 2013 12:17 ObviousOne wrote: Keirathi, trust me on Marv town. This is not a joke, this is for serious. If I could tell you exactly why, I would, but my role does not permit it. In other news, you just pointed out that Acro was pushing on Smurf, and I had a moment of clarity. There was no reason for a scum Acro to push a scum Smurf D1. I am dropping Acro for Smurf. You brought up his having a bullshit townread on prp. Let's talk about Smurf. But....Acro didn't push smurf on day 1. At all. :o He only started pushing him n1, after everyone had already started calling Smurf scum (and by everyone, I mean me, marv, and Hapa specifically because I didn't go back and read who else had started). | ||
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Keirathi
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ObviousOne
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On March 30 2013 12:20 Keirathi wrote: But....Acro didn't push smurf on day 1. At all. :o He only started pushing him n1, after everyone had already started calling Smurf scum (and by everyone, I mean me, marv, and Hapa specifically because I didn't go back and read who else had started). Fuck, this is what I get for hitting the all button on his filter. | ||
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ObviousOne
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+ Show Spoiler + On March 29 2013 03:55 InsertSmurfHere wrote: Town: Prplhz Hapa Palmar Oats OO Null: Rayn Marv Sinani SNB Mafia: Acro Dandel Ignore: Cora/Keir Yes, I'm going to ignore them. I'm suspicious of them, but do you really want me going around tomorrow making cases on Corazon, the claimed mason? Waste of time, even if I am right. No one is going to listen to me. The difference between Acro and prplhz is that you don't read prplhz by how "objectively scummy" he is, while you can certainly do that with a more active and engaged person like Acro. Meta matters more in prplhz' case. And yes, Dandel is possibly mafia. While it apparently isn't "satifying" to you, it's how I view him at this point, because of how little he's done since all of what went on. Did I not specifically tell you this might happen, should he not be put under pressure? Rayn did push OO, and that's about it. It was a hard push, but I'm nowhere near convinced that the guy is mafia. As you guys have been pointing out, a look into the last game he played as mafia gives you the impression that he struggles to post as mafia, which is nothing like the impression I get from his filter here. He is giving a clear effort, and is actually looking into objectively good things to be looking at, like the Nisani/Acro ordeal. | ||
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ObviousOne
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raynpelikoneet
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Keirathi
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On March 30 2013 12:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: Keirathi why no prplhz in your scumlist? On March 30 2013 12:13 Keirathi wrote: Currently my scumteam looks like Smurf, Acro, Dandel, and one of marv/rayne/prplhz. ?? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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Like why is Dandel over prplhz? Also what makes you think OO is town? | ||
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sinani206
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Day 1: He pushed and Nisani exclusively day 1 (both out of nowhere, more about that in a second), and we can all agree that this was a rather easy target, after the multiple attacks on Nisani. His posts about Nisani did not show his thoughts in a very townie way either, deciding halfway through the day that Nisani was scum for no apparent reason (also said nothing in the main thread about unvoting Grack). Before that, nothing. Nothing useful at least. Some one-liners, random questions, and vague answers are all he had to show until he found someone to bandwagon. Then, his self-defense to Hapa was ridiculous. I don't even know why Hapa got off him randomly after that defense. I mean, Hapa's case wasn't the best, but that's OK, because it was mid-Day 1. This is full of meta-defense (useless) and circular logic. Then, after his suspicious of Smurf, prplhz jumps off because Smurf defended him. This is really scummy. Just because someone defends you doesn't mean they're on your side. Unless they unknowingly are. Prplhz decided not to want to kill someone purely because he was helping him stay alive. Day 2: Literally only one-liners. He said at night he had some reads, but I don't see any. OK, there's a null read on me, but I hadn't posted for a while there, so that's essentially nothing. He's been posting enough to look like he's keeping with the thread when in fact he is merely throwing votes on people with no explanation. Then there's this claim-but-not-really-a-claim, which looks to me like "I'm scum but lazy so I'll just claim some random role so people are confused and I can survive a few days to kill people." Prplhz has been shitting on the thread since the beginning of the game, with no regard for the town of a game this small. We need all the help we can get, and I'm not seeing any of that in prplhz. He is even negatively affecting the game, asking questions that help only himself and his scumteam, and throwing anyone who is remotely suspicious of him far away. I really don't understand how no one else sees this. | ||
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Keirathi
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On March 30 2013 12:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: Sorry. I meant why is prplhz so low in there? Like why is Dandel over prplhz? Basically because prplhz actually has put in some effort into the game. And I've played scum with prplhz, and he literally put 0 effort into it. His posting during night 1 was what I expect of a town prplhz. The reason he's still on the list though is because it didn't come until after Hapa and I had been railing on him. Dandel has just trolled all game. I originally had him leaning town solely because of his activity level and participation, but there's no actual content there and his activity has fallen off dramatically. On March 30 2013 12:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also what makes you think OO is town? I already explained. He is playing very, very, very different than his last scum game. Plus, some pre-game conversations I had with him in the last 2 weeks. He was worried that he was falling into the "bad townie that everyone ignores forever" category, and he genuinely wanted to improve. Everything about his play this game feels like he's working hard and putting in the effort to become a better player, even if he has been misguided at times. | ||
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sinani206
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On March 30 2013 12:37 Keirathi wrote: Basically because prplhz actually has put in some effort into the game. And I've played scum with prplhz, and he literally put 0 effort into it. His posting during night 1 was what I expect of a town prplhz. The reason he's still on the list though is because it didn't come until after Hapa and I had been railing on him. Dandel has just trolled all game. I originally had him leaning town solely because of his activity level and participation, but there's no actual content there and his activity has fallen off dramatically. I already explained. He is playing very, very, very different than his last scum game. Plus, some pre-game conversations I had with him in the last 2 weeks. He was worried that he was falling into the "bad townie that everyone ignores forever" category, and he genuinely wanted to improve. Everything about his play this game feels like he's working hard and putting in the effort to become a better player, even if he has been misguided at times. How can you say that prpl is putting effort into this game? The only effort I see is his self-defense on day one. Everything else is forced and/or sheepy and/or trolly. And why do his night posts convince you so much? Just read through those again and they don't really show any townie to me Also, he never posted the reads he talked about at night in the thread at daytime | ||
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sinani206
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On March 30 2013 12:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: sinani do you have anyone else you think is mafia? You know, it's a double lynch and everything... I was suspicious of you before, but I think that your posts today cleaned that up a bit. Also, I could lynch smurf, but I'm not completely convinced yet. Marv case really isn't doing anything for me at all. I was going to say something about Dandel in a bit, given he continues doing nothing. | ||
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sinani206
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On March 30 2013 12:43 sinani206 wrote: How can you say that prpl is putting effort into this game? The only effort I see is his self-defense on day one. Everything else is forced and/or sheepy and/or trolly. And why do his night posts convince you so much? Just read through those again and they don't really show any townie to me. Also, he never posted the reads he talked about at night in the thread at daytime. Also, I agree with your last point. ebwop: hit post instead of preview, added grammar and a sentence | ||
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Keirathi
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On March 30 2013 12:43 sinani206 wrote: How can you say that prpl is putting effort into this game? The only effort I see is his self-defense on day one. Everything else is forced and/or sheepy and/or trolly. And why do his night posts convince you so much? Just read through those again and they don't really show any townie to me Also, he never posted the reads he talked about at night in the thread at daytime They don't convince me. Hence why he's still null'ish to me. But prplhz is a super easy mislynch when he's town. I've seen it happen too many times. I'm more convinced of Smurf/Acro, so I'm willing to give prplhz some more time to step his game up. | ||
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ObviousOne
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ObviousOne
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+ Show Spoiler [acro case on ISH] + On March 28 2013 07:34 Acrofales wrote: Smurf: 3 particular things make him scum: 1. If Smurf is Yamato, he has played at least 2 games with a town DI (British 1 and Personality 2) and thus cannot simply claim ignorance of how DI plays as town. Even if he can be forgiven the remarkable oversight of not looking at DI's townplay, his excuse of ignorance here is a lie. 2. His scumreads: All 3 of his scumreads throughout the game:Grackaroni, Cora and Nisani. I painted Cora green, because I doubt this is a power play by the scumteam to claim mason. However, most strikingly, look how easily he jumps onto the Nisani is scum wagon. He never even mentions Nisani as a scumread until his completely irrational defense of prplhz (see point 3), when this suddenly happens: + Show Spoiler [prplhz town] + On March 27 2013 15:04 InsertSmurfHere wrote: It's quite easy. Read yamato's analysis of prplhz's meta from Nomination. When you look at his filter from LIX, it is blatantly antagonistic with town and completely uninvolved. Do these posts read trollish to you? Here he's clearly following a line of thought with a few people. While his interaction is minimal, it is far from being distant. This does not read like the mafia prplhz I know. What concerns me about all this is how lazy you are with this push on prplhz. I really think you don't know him well if you think low activity = scum in his case. What is MOST concerning, however, is how easily Nisani jumps in with you. Observe: Two posts, barely mentions prplhz, and he's on the wagon. Regardless of prplhz's alignment, this looks terrible. He's even less concerned with figuring out the game than prplhz appears to be. So... the MOST concerting part of the prplhz case is how easily Nisani jumps on the wagon. So suddenly Nisani has been bombarded to scum, as part of the whole prplhz = town crusade. From that point onwards he never even questions anything else and just blindly wants to lynch Nisani. 3. Irrational defense of prlhz. I would quote posts, but it shat up the thread for about 3 pages. I don't even think this says anything about prplhz's alignment. I can see a scum doing this for a townie (defend the innocent for townie points, when no scumbuddy is in danger of being lynched) or a scumbuddy (given that the alternative at the time was my push on Nisani, which he promptly sheeped he could have been defending his buddy), but the whole thing feels like Smurf had made up his mind before even starting to post on what prplhz's alignment was and was going to defend that stance to the death. And while some of the points he made make sense, when I looked at prplhz's filter at the time, it just read like a scum filter, so it's the complete lack of DOUBT about the alignment that strikes me. That is not the critical mindset of a townie. TLDR: lied to excuse his shoddy case, no critical mindset when analysing players and has only wanted to lynch townies. Verdict: scum. Now lets move onto everybody else. (okay, it's technically not d1) | ||
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Keirathi
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On March 30 2013 13:06 ObviousOne wrote: Did I have it backwards? There's a nugget somehow related to my erroneous presentation. Smurf was not on Acro d1 but Acro was on Smurf D1? Need to go verify this in filters in a moment. If it was the case that Acro was on Smurf D1 then that's what I was trying to say. I opened both filters briefly to look and that might be why I got all mucked up. If that's still wrong then I don't even know what I was thinking. I blame my Warcraft addiction =[ Neither of them were attacking each other day 1. Not sure what you're talking about  Acro mentioned Smurf a few times early in day 1, but never followed up on it and never even called him scum, just questioned him a couple of times. Then during night 1, Acro made his case on Smurf, and then Smurf countered it and started pushing Acro. | ||
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