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On March 10 2013 11:27 figq wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2013 02:12 1Dhalism wrote:
What's happening now is expected by everyone in SC2 community. It's a given, the default setting.
Broodwar progamers are talented individuals and will be winning GSL eventually? Well, duh. The original article was exaggerated on many statements, but even this part, on which you say everyone agrees (they actually did not at the time: there were many claims that all Kespa players will just fail for a very very long time) is something that means the competition in SC2 was - if not a farce - at least incomplete. A major portion of RTS talent was missing from the SC2 scene, which meant we were not seeing really "the best" of SC2. We were crowning "the best", and ignoring the fact that there's a whole other scene of StarCraft that can claim its stake on what "the best" really means. Original exaggerations aside, this is now really proven to be true. The SC2 scene was indeed incomplete. And many SC2 fans did not even realize it.
excellent post, well said. i would venture further and say that the extent of kespa's claim on the definition of 'the best' is still not fully determined. proleague's full transition to sc2 only happened december of last year. before that, kespa's performance in sc2 was severely hampered by the fact that they had to play broodwar as well. roro's accomplishment here is just the beginning.
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91 pages for a GSL finals? o.O
Well, gratz to RorO, the final WoL GSL champion.
Farewell....
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On March 10 2013 15:22 theMagus wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2013 11:27 figq wrote:On March 10 2013 02:12 1Dhalism wrote:
What's happening now is expected by everyone in SC2 community. It's a given, the default setting.
Broodwar progamers are talented individuals and will be winning GSL eventually? Well, duh. The original article was exaggerated on many statements, but even this part, on which you say everyone agrees (they actually did not at the time: there were many claims that all Kespa players will just fail for a very very long time) is something that means the competition in SC2 was - if not a farce - at least incomplete. A major portion of RTS talent was missing from the SC2 scene, which meant we were not seeing really "the best" of SC2. We were crowning "the best", and ignoring the fact that there's a whole other scene of StarCraft that can claim its stake on what "the best" really means. Original exaggerations aside, this is now really proven to be true. The SC2 scene was indeed incomplete. And many SC2 fans did not even realize it. excellent post, well said. i would venture further and say that the extent of kespa's claim on the definition of 'the best' is still not fully determined. proleague's full transition to sc2 only happened december of last year. before that, kespa's performance in sc2 was severely hampered by the fact that they had to play broodwar as well. roro's accomplishment here is just the beginning.
Actually, the hybrid PL ended to Sept 22nd if you really wanted to put a date on it. And if you saw the level of BW games during that season, it was pretty obvious that a majority of the time was spent on SC2. Since the tie breakers were in SC2, it made sense for the teams.
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On March 10 2013 15:46 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2013 15:22 theMagus wrote:On March 10 2013 11:27 figq wrote:On March 10 2013 02:12 1Dhalism wrote:
What's happening now is expected by everyone in SC2 community. It's a given, the default setting.
Broodwar progamers are talented individuals and will be winning GSL eventually? Well, duh. The original article was exaggerated on many statements, but even this part, on which you say everyone agrees (they actually did not at the time: there were many claims that all Kespa players will just fail for a very very long time) is something that means the competition in SC2 was - if not a farce - at least incomplete. A major portion of RTS talent was missing from the SC2 scene, which meant we were not seeing really "the best" of SC2. We were crowning "the best", and ignoring the fact that there's a whole other scene of StarCraft that can claim its stake on what "the best" really means. Original exaggerations aside, this is now really proven to be true. The SC2 scene was indeed incomplete. And many SC2 fans did not even realize it. excellent post, well said. i would venture further and say that the extent of kespa's claim on the definition of 'the best' is still not fully determined. proleague's full transition to sc2 only happened december of last year. before that, kespa's performance in sc2 was severely hampered by the fact that they had to play broodwar as well. roro's accomplishment here is just the beginning. And if you saw the level of BW games during that season, it was pretty obvious that a majority of the time was spent on SC2. and the 1st full sc2 proleague did start december of last year. i didn't say they didn't practice sc2 before this.
conjecture. each player had to play broodwar and sc2 alternatively every time he is fielded, if i remember correctly. what makes you think they'd spend most of their time on sc2 only?
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On March 10 2013 16:04 theMagus wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2013 15:46 vthree wrote:On March 10 2013 15:22 theMagus wrote:On March 10 2013 11:27 figq wrote:On March 10 2013 02:12 1Dhalism wrote:
What's happening now is expected by everyone in SC2 community. It's a given, the default setting.
Broodwar progamers are talented individuals and will be winning GSL eventually? Well, duh. The original article was exaggerated on many statements, but even this part, on which you say everyone agrees (they actually did not at the time: there were many claims that all Kespa players will just fail for a very very long time) is something that means the competition in SC2 was - if not a farce - at least incomplete. A major portion of RTS talent was missing from the SC2 scene, which meant we were not seeing really "the best" of SC2. We were crowning "the best", and ignoring the fact that there's a whole other scene of StarCraft that can claim its stake on what "the best" really means. Original exaggerations aside, this is now really proven to be true. The SC2 scene was indeed incomplete. And many SC2 fans did not even realize it. excellent post, well said. i would venture further and say that the extent of kespa's claim on the definition of 'the best' is still not fully determined. proleague's full transition to sc2 only happened december of last year. before that, kespa's performance in sc2 was severely hampered by the fact that they had to play broodwar as well. roro's accomplishment here is just the beginning. And if you saw the level of BW games during that season, it was pretty obvious that a majority of the time was spent on SC2. and the 1st full sc2 proleague did start december of last year. i didn't say they didn't practice sc2 before this. conjecture. each player had to play broodwar and sc2 alternatively every time he is fielded, if i remember correctly. what makes you think they'd spend most of their time on sc2 only?
Perhaps I should chime in now. The guy you're talking to is probably referring to several interviews with players that said they spent most of their time practicing SC2. I remember a few of them saying that myself.
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On March 10 2013 16:04 theMagus wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2013 15:46 vthree wrote:On March 10 2013 15:22 theMagus wrote:On March 10 2013 11:27 figq wrote:On March 10 2013 02:12 1Dhalism wrote:
What's happening now is expected by everyone in SC2 community. It's a given, the default setting.
Broodwar progamers are talented individuals and will be winning GSL eventually? Well, duh. The original article was exaggerated on many statements, but even this part, on which you say everyone agrees (they actually did not at the time: there were many claims that all Kespa players will just fail for a very very long time) is something that means the competition in SC2 was - if not a farce - at least incomplete. A major portion of RTS talent was missing from the SC2 scene, which meant we were not seeing really "the best" of SC2. We were crowning "the best", and ignoring the fact that there's a whole other scene of StarCraft that can claim its stake on what "the best" really means. Original exaggerations aside, this is now really proven to be true. The SC2 scene was indeed incomplete. And many SC2 fans did not even realize it. excellent post, well said. i would venture further and say that the extent of kespa's claim on the definition of 'the best' is still not fully determined. proleague's full transition to sc2 only happened december of last year. before that, kespa's performance in sc2 was severely hampered by the fact that they had to play broodwar as well. roro's accomplishment here is just the beginning. And if you saw the level of BW games during that season, it was pretty obvious that a majority of the time was spent on SC2. and the 1st full sc2 proleague did start december of last year. i didn't say they didn't practice sc2 before this. conjecture. each player had to play broodwar and sc2 alternatively every time he is fielded, if i remember correctly. what makes you think they'd spend most of their time on sc2 only?
yea they probably procrastinated SC2 practice as much as possible, all kespa players agreed to not practice SC2 so that frankenleague would be fair, after all why would they need to practice SC2?
interesting statistic, frankenleague had 215 games played in BW, 247 games played in SC2
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011-2012_Proleague_Season_2/Statistics#Map_Statistics
frankenleague started may 20th 2012
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On March 10 2013 16:17 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2013 16:04 theMagus wrote:On March 10 2013 15:46 vthree wrote:On March 10 2013 15:22 theMagus wrote:On March 10 2013 11:27 figq wrote:On March 10 2013 02:12 1Dhalism wrote:
What's happening now is expected by everyone in SC2 community. It's a given, the default setting.
Broodwar progamers are talented individuals and will be winning GSL eventually? Well, duh. The original article was exaggerated on many statements, but even this part, on which you say everyone agrees (they actually did not at the time: there were many claims that all Kespa players will just fail for a very very long time) is something that means the competition in SC2 was - if not a farce - at least incomplete. A major portion of RTS talent was missing from the SC2 scene, which meant we were not seeing really "the best" of SC2. We were crowning "the best", and ignoring the fact that there's a whole other scene of StarCraft that can claim its stake on what "the best" really means. Original exaggerations aside, this is now really proven to be true. The SC2 scene was indeed incomplete. And many SC2 fans did not even realize it. excellent post, well said. i would venture further and say that the extent of kespa's claim on the definition of 'the best' is still not fully determined. proleague's full transition to sc2 only happened december of last year. before that, kespa's performance in sc2 was severely hampered by the fact that they had to play broodwar as well. roro's accomplishment here is just the beginning. And if you saw the level of BW games during that season, it was pretty obvious that a majority of the time was spent on SC2. and the 1st full sc2 proleague did start december of last year. i didn't say they didn't practice sc2 before this. conjecture. each player had to play broodwar and sc2 alternatively every time he is fielded, if i remember correctly. what makes you think they'd spend most of their time on sc2 only? Perhaps I should chime in now. The guy you're talking to is probably referring to several interviews with players that said they spent most of their time practicing SC2. I remember a few of them saying that myself.
i didn't know about that. but even if it was true, they all found it hard to play 2 games at the same time. that i read from the interviews as well.
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On March 10 2013 16:25 Die4Ever wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2013 16:04 theMagus wrote:On March 10 2013 15:46 vthree wrote:On March 10 2013 15:22 theMagus wrote:On March 10 2013 11:27 figq wrote:On March 10 2013 02:12 1Dhalism wrote:
What's happening now is expected by everyone in SC2 community. It's a given, the default setting.
Broodwar progamers are talented individuals and will be winning GSL eventually? Well, duh. The original article was exaggerated on many statements, but even this part, on which you say everyone agrees (they actually did not at the time: there were many claims that all Kespa players will just fail for a very very long time) is something that means the competition in SC2 was - if not a farce - at least incomplete. A major portion of RTS talent was missing from the SC2 scene, which meant we were not seeing really "the best" of SC2. We were crowning "the best", and ignoring the fact that there's a whole other scene of StarCraft that can claim its stake on what "the best" really means. Original exaggerations aside, this is now really proven to be true. The SC2 scene was indeed incomplete. And many SC2 fans did not even realize it. excellent post, well said. i would venture further and say that the extent of kespa's claim on the definition of 'the best' is still not fully determined. proleague's full transition to sc2 only happened december of last year. before that, kespa's performance in sc2 was severely hampered by the fact that they had to play broodwar as well. roro's accomplishment here is just the beginning. And if you saw the level of BW games during that season, it was pretty obvious that a majority of the time was spent on SC2. and the 1st full sc2 proleague did start december of last year. i didn't say they didn't practice sc2 before this. conjecture. each player had to play broodwar and sc2 alternatively every time he is fielded, if i remember correctly. what makes you think they'd spend most of their time on sc2 only? yea they probably procrastinated SC2 practice as much as possible, all kespa players agreed to not practice SC2 so that frankenleague would be fair, after all why would they need to practice SC2?
lol what?
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On March 10 2013 16:46 theMagus wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2013 16:25 Die4Ever wrote:On March 10 2013 16:04 theMagus wrote:On March 10 2013 15:46 vthree wrote:On March 10 2013 15:22 theMagus wrote:On March 10 2013 11:27 figq wrote:On March 10 2013 02:12 1Dhalism wrote:
What's happening now is expected by everyone in SC2 community. It's a given, the default setting.
Broodwar progamers are talented individuals and will be winning GSL eventually? Well, duh. The original article was exaggerated on many statements, but even this part, on which you say everyone agrees (they actually did not at the time: there were many claims that all Kespa players will just fail for a very very long time) is something that means the competition in SC2 was - if not a farce - at least incomplete. A major portion of RTS talent was missing from the SC2 scene, which meant we were not seeing really "the best" of SC2. We were crowning "the best", and ignoring the fact that there's a whole other scene of StarCraft that can claim its stake on what "the best" really means. Original exaggerations aside, this is now really proven to be true. The SC2 scene was indeed incomplete. And many SC2 fans did not even realize it. excellent post, well said. i would venture further and say that the extent of kespa's claim on the definition of 'the best' is still not fully determined. proleague's full transition to sc2 only happened december of last year. before that, kespa's performance in sc2 was severely hampered by the fact that they had to play broodwar as well. roro's accomplishment here is just the beginning. And if you saw the level of BW games during that season, it was pretty obvious that a majority of the time was spent on SC2. and the 1st full sc2 proleague did start december of last year. i didn't say they didn't practice sc2 before this. conjecture. each player had to play broodwar and sc2 alternatively every time he is fielded, if i remember correctly. what makes you think they'd spend most of their time on sc2 only? yea they probably procrastinated SC2 practice as much as possible, all kespa players agreed to not practice SC2 so that frankenleague would be fair, after all why would they need to practice SC2? lol what?
exactly 
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RorO is handsome
Almost as Leenock.
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On March 10 2013 13:26 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2013 11:27 figq wrote:On March 10 2013 02:12 1Dhalism wrote:
What's happening now is expected by everyone in SC2 community. It's a given, the default setting.
Broodwar progamers are talented individuals and will be winning GSL eventually? Well, duh. The original article was exaggerated on many statements, but even this part, on which you say everyone agrees (they actually did not at the time: there were many claims that all Kespa players will just fail for a very very long time) is something that means the competition in SC2 was - if not a farce - at least incomplete. A major portion of RTS talent was missing from the SC2 scene, which meant we were not seeing really "the best" of SC2. We were crowning "the best", and ignoring the fact that there's a whole other scene of StarCraft that can claim its stake on what "the best" really means. Original exaggerations aside, this is now really proven to be true. The SC2 scene was indeed incomplete. And many SC2 fans did not even realize it. Yet was there any need at all? That article did 2 things. 1 Spit on the then current SC2 as a huge BW elitist by calling it a farce. 2 Made the line between then current sc2 fans and Kespa fans into a barrier. That article did nothing good whatsoever and the fact that it is still up means TL is somehow ok with this whole ESF vs Kespa bullshit. Your point also doesn't make sense. Back then we crowning the best of sc2 as the best of sc2. We didn't crown them as the best of RTS. That there was a whole other scene had zero relevance with who was the best sc2 back then.
I'm sure it got TL some good page hits lol, gotta get dat money
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Of all the people, suddenly Roro.
Damn though, Khan have been doing so well lately. Two OSLs and GSL, then Proleague and another OSL silver on top. That's like... way better than KT (Flash). 
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On March 10 2013 16:04 theMagus wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2013 15:46 vthree wrote:On March 10 2013 15:22 theMagus wrote:On March 10 2013 11:27 figq wrote:On March 10 2013 02:12 1Dhalism wrote:
What's happening now is expected by everyone in SC2 community. It's a given, the default setting.
Broodwar progamers are talented individuals and will be winning GSL eventually? Well, duh. The original article was exaggerated on many statements, but even this part, on which you say everyone agrees (they actually did not at the time: there were many claims that all Kespa players will just fail for a very very long time) is something that means the competition in SC2 was - if not a farce - at least incomplete. A major portion of RTS talent was missing from the SC2 scene, which meant we were not seeing really "the best" of SC2. We were crowning "the best", and ignoring the fact that there's a whole other scene of StarCraft that can claim its stake on what "the best" really means. Original exaggerations aside, this is now really proven to be true. The SC2 scene was indeed incomplete. And many SC2 fans did not even realize it. excellent post, well said. i would venture further and say that the extent of kespa's claim on the definition of 'the best' is still not fully determined. proleague's full transition to sc2 only happened december of last year. before that, kespa's performance in sc2 was severely hampered by the fact that they had to play broodwar as well. roro's accomplishment here is just the beginning. And if you saw the level of BW games during that season, it was pretty obvious that a majority of the time was spent on SC2. and the 1st full sc2 proleague did start december of last year. i didn't say they didn't practice sc2 before this. conjecture. each player had to play broodwar and sc2 alternatively every time he is fielded, if i remember correctly. what makes you think they'd spend most of their time on sc2 only?
Because of how the matches worked. Althought it was split between BW and SC2, if one team won the BW matches and the other won the SC2 matches, the ACE match was always SC2. So from a strategic perspective, it simply made more sense to focus on SC2 more. Especially for the Ace players. Because you can technically win the entire league without winning a single BW game.
Again, I am sure that players still practiced BW since it would be better to not have to go to Ace. But I am sure the higher percentage of the practice them would be spent on SC2. Plus everyone knew it was the end of BW, so that gave an evn bigger incentive to get a bigger head start on SC2.
Jangbi also mentioned that he got a later start compare to everyone else due to being in finals of the last BW OSL.
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On March 10 2013 17:42 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2013 16:04 theMagus wrote:On March 10 2013 15:46 vthree wrote:On March 10 2013 15:22 theMagus wrote:On March 10 2013 11:27 figq wrote:On March 10 2013 02:12 1Dhalism wrote:
What's happening now is expected by everyone in SC2 community. It's a given, the default setting.
Broodwar progamers are talented individuals and will be winning GSL eventually? Well, duh. The original article was exaggerated on many statements, but even this part, on which you say everyone agrees (they actually did not at the time: there were many claims that all Kespa players will just fail for a very very long time) is something that means the competition in SC2 was - if not a farce - at least incomplete. A major portion of RTS talent was missing from the SC2 scene, which meant we were not seeing really "the best" of SC2. We were crowning "the best", and ignoring the fact that there's a whole other scene of StarCraft that can claim its stake on what "the best" really means. Original exaggerations aside, this is now really proven to be true. The SC2 scene was indeed incomplete. And many SC2 fans did not even realize it. excellent post, well said. i would venture further and say that the extent of kespa's claim on the definition of 'the best' is still not fully determined. proleague's full transition to sc2 only happened december of last year. before that, kespa's performance in sc2 was severely hampered by the fact that they had to play broodwar as well. roro's accomplishment here is just the beginning. And if you saw the level of BW games during that season, it was pretty obvious that a majority of the time was spent on SC2. and the 1st full sc2 proleague did start december of last year. i didn't say they didn't practice sc2 before this. conjecture. each player had to play broodwar and sc2 alternatively every time he is fielded, if i remember correctly. what makes you think they'd spend most of their time on sc2 only? Because of how the matches worked. Althought it was split between BW and SC2, if one team won the BW matches and the other won the SC2 matches, the ACE match was always SC2. So from a strategic perspective, it simply made more sense to focus on SC2 more. Especially for the Ace players. Because you can technically win the entire league without winning a single BW game. Again, I am sure that players still practiced BW since it would be better to not have to go to Ace. But I am sure the higher percentage of the practice them would be spent on SC2. Plus everyone knew it was the end of BW, so that gave an evn bigger incentive to get a bigger head start on SC2. Jangbi also mentioned that he got a later start compare to everyone else due to being in finals of the last BW OSL.
yeah, that makes sense. the point, however, is that the kespa guys have far less experience in sc2 than the non-kespa guys. my point still stands. we will just see what happens in the coming gsl seasons. my money's on kespa tearing it up for sure. never been this excited about sc2 before
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On March 10 2013 15:58 bob13bob wrote:
what happeend
Dat first post Oo;;
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On March 10 2013 17:56 theMagus wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2013 17:42 vthree wrote:On March 10 2013 16:04 theMagus wrote:On March 10 2013 15:46 vthree wrote:On March 10 2013 15:22 theMagus wrote:On March 10 2013 11:27 figq wrote:On March 10 2013 02:12 1Dhalism wrote:
What's happening now is expected by everyone in SC2 community. It's a given, the default setting.
Broodwar progamers are talented individuals and will be winning GSL eventually? Well, duh. The original article was exaggerated on many statements, but even this part, on which you say everyone agrees (they actually did not at the time: there were many claims that all Kespa players will just fail for a very very long time) is something that means the competition in SC2 was - if not a farce - at least incomplete. A major portion of RTS talent was missing from the SC2 scene, which meant we were not seeing really "the best" of SC2. We were crowning "the best", and ignoring the fact that there's a whole other scene of StarCraft that can claim its stake on what "the best" really means. Original exaggerations aside, this is now really proven to be true. The SC2 scene was indeed incomplete. And many SC2 fans did not even realize it. excellent post, well said. i would venture further and say that the extent of kespa's claim on the definition of 'the best' is still not fully determined. proleague's full transition to sc2 only happened december of last year. before that, kespa's performance in sc2 was severely hampered by the fact that they had to play broodwar as well. roro's accomplishment here is just the beginning. And if you saw the level of BW games during that season, it was pretty obvious that a majority of the time was spent on SC2. and the 1st full sc2 proleague did start december of last year. i didn't say they didn't practice sc2 before this. conjecture. each player had to play broodwar and sc2 alternatively every time he is fielded, if i remember correctly. what makes you think they'd spend most of their time on sc2 only? Because of how the matches worked. Althought it was split between BW and SC2, if one team won the BW matches and the other won the SC2 matches, the ACE match was always SC2. So from a strategic perspective, it simply made more sense to focus on SC2 more. Especially for the Ace players. Because you can technically win the entire league without winning a single BW game. Again, I am sure that players still practiced BW since it would be better to not have to go to Ace. But I am sure the higher percentage of the practice them would be spent on SC2. Plus everyone knew it was the end of BW, so that gave an evn bigger incentive to get a bigger head start on SC2. Jangbi also mentioned that he got a later start compare to everyone else due to being in finals of the last BW OSL. yeah, that makes sense. the point, however, is that the kespa guys have far less experience in sc2 than the non-kespa guys. my point still stands. we will just see what happens in the coming gsl seasons. my money's on kespa tearing it up for sure. never been this excited about sc2 before
I am pretty sure the head start is pretty much mute at this point. I know a lot of people like to bring up the 2 year head start, but it is not like Kespa pros had to re-learn the meta get from GSL Open Seasons to now. Most korean pros said it would take 6 months and we are pretty much past that point now.
Will be especially interesting with HoTS. I would expect even more Kespa players to make it to Code S. But I expect a lot of eSF players to get spots as well.
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On March 10 2013 15:22 enemy2010 wrote:
91 pages for a GSL finals? o.O
Well, gratz to RorO, the final WoL GSL champion.
Farewell.... I certainly wasn't expecting a 100+ pages from a ZvZ finals.
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On March 10 2013 14:00 Ace Frehley wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2013 11:27 figq wrote:On March 10 2013 02:12 1Dhalism wrote:
What's happening now is expected by everyone in SC2 community. It's a given, the default setting.
Broodwar progamers are talented individuals and will be winning GSL eventually? Well, duh. The original article was exaggerated on many statements, but even this part, on which you say everyone agrees (they actually did not at the time: there were many claims that all Kespa players will just fail for a very very long time) is something that means the competition in SC2 was - if not a farce - at least incomplete. A major portion of RTS talent was missing from the SC2 scene, which meant we were not seeing really "the best" of SC2. We were crowning "the best", and ignoring the fact that there's a whole other scene of StarCraft that can claim its stake on what "the best" really means. Original exaggerations aside, this is now really proven to be true. The SC2 scene was indeed incomplete. And many SC2 fans did not even realize it. So can we say that a good chunk of BW history was a farce because the Giraffes from WC3 were not playing in it? If the Giraffes at some point came and started winning titles alongside the previously best BW players - yes, we could say the scene was incomplete.
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