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jalstar
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United States8198 Posts
March 13 2013 23:59 GMT
#1921
On March 13 2013 18:49 terrancake wrote:
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On March 13 2013 17:06 lichter wrote:
On March 13 2013 16:50 fluidin wrote:
On March 13 2013 16:05 Daswollvieh wrote:
On March 13 2013 14:32 Maghetti wrote:
I find this idea that people in their 20s have worse reflexes than people in their teens. Sure, people tend to fall off when they enter this age in pro gaming but the reason for it to me is far more likely what happens to a person who enters this time period in their life. Families, jobs, taxes, distractions. People try to build lives for themselves and for doing so get to play less, their minds are not in the game on the same level. I do not understand why people go right for the "two old" answer when you have super athletes even in their 30s, and hell bernard hopkins just won a boxing title at 48 years old.


People like to think that "their" sport is super tough and unforgiving as if that "Korean cut-throat competition magic" would somehow rub off on themselves. Like proudly proclaiming to be a Rugby-fan because it´s the toughest sport in the world where people eat nails and shit shuriken, though you´re sitting on a coach watching it like any other sports fan. Lowering the age for success to new arbitrary depths is merely one way to make one´s sport tougher, similar to Korean vs foreigner or ESF vs Kespa arguments.
I think you´re completely right. Though people start declining physically from their mid-twenties on, I don´t believe it´s a governing factor in e-sports. Older players have to deal with motivation issues, career questions, family questions, the need to pay for yourself in the near future, the consequences of the "super-tough" training methods leading to burn-out, military service, the insecurity of not knowing where your life will lead you, thinking about family, alls the many responsibilites of grown-up life. All things that a sixteen year old "bonjwa" has never encountered and will not have to worry about for several years, where people watch him peak and then discard him as too old, when he starts getting confronted with life decisions in his twenties. Sure quick hands are good for Starcraft, but a clear mind is even better in such a cerebral sport.

A study was published a while ago that among German top-athletes, depression and other mental afflictions, occur way above the average. The high pressure of having to win, the risk of injury and the intense training are factors, but not the biggest one. The deciding factor is the financial insecurity that does concern most professional athletes, who don´t play a popular sport. E-sports is in a similar situation, where the career appears sustainable only for a couple of years, leaving you with basically nothing careerwise. And that is something a sixteen year old bonjwa is simply not confronted with, yet.

So being an athlete (esports or otherwise) in your teenage years/early twenties is a whole lot different from doing "the same" in your early thirties. I assume most "fans" themselves have not reached that age to appreciate the struggle.


While the points you brought up are valid and likely also important factors for a player's form, worsening reflexes are as likely to be a significant factor in this decline. In fact, they could be intertwined; declining reflexes leading to increased anxiety regarding future as an example.


Until someone shows me scientific studies showing reflexes deteriorate rapidly between the ages of 18 and 24 (when in most sports a player's prime occurs anywhere from 24-27 until around 32), I'm just going to continue believing it is poppycock.




Many studies has been done of reflexes and aging especially from the point of view of saftey in traffic, here are some:

"Accident Analysis and Prevention"; Differences of Drivers' Reaction Times According to Age and Mental Workload; Hiroshi Makashita, et al.; March 2008

"Developmental Neuropsychology"; The Driving-Reaction Time Test: Assessing Age Declines in Dual-Task Performance; Thomas H. Crook, et al.; 1993

National Highway Traffic Safety Administration: Driving Safely While Aging Gracefully: How Is Your Attention and Reaction Time?

Clemson: A Literature Review on Reaction Time; Robert J. Kosinski; September 2010


The conclusion varies but all of them show that atleast between the mid twenties and late fifties your reaction time steadily decrease.

In other sports such as football, reaction time does not play the absolute deciding factor. Physical strength, stamina, experience and mental strength is often more beneficial. In computer games reaction time, hand speed, hand-eye-coordination and fine motor skills are way more beneficial than muscle mass and stamina.






In baseball reaction time matters a lot and baseball players tend to peak at 27.
ThePrince
Profile Joined October 2010
Peru331 Posts
March 14 2013 15:01 GMT
#1922
On March 14 2013 02:12 Miragee wrote:
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On March 13 2013 23:48 ThePrince wrote:
LOL WTF is this derailing.


First of all, I agree it's all poppycock. These are psychological excuses... "age" and other such things are just MENTAL blocks. Period. Obviously if an athlete holds the belief that he is too "old" for something than his performance will decrease.


If anything, the studies show the beliefs of the general population rather than the decrease of anything with age. If you mentally limit yourself your perfomance decreases. Obvious statement is obvious.


So my grandma only has a decreased physical performance because of a mental block. Sounds about right, lol.




That's correct. Your grandma has decreased physical performance due to many decades of a mental block, which ended up affecting her physically. Had your grandma disregarded her concept of age, she very well maybe as fit as she was in her 20's.

there.
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