The problem is that when debate gets polarised and you only listen to your own side circle jerk while destroying straw man arguments you get wound up into this bizarre state when you genuinely believe that feminists want to come into your house at night and perform postbirth abortions on your kids. Meanwhile they're doing the same and believe that you want to make women slaves to their reproductive cycle and why not force women to marry the rapist father of the child she didn't want while you're at it. And then both sides get into a shouting match over points that neither of them have raised until everyone everywhere just wants to kill themselves. When I brought up issues with gender identity in society and he called me a baby killer I felt it was time to close it.
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KwarK
United States41470 Posts
The problem is that when debate gets polarised and you only listen to your own side circle jerk while destroying straw man arguments you get wound up into this bizarre state when you genuinely believe that feminists want to come into your house at night and perform postbirth abortions on your kids. Meanwhile they're doing the same and believe that you want to make women slaves to their reproductive cycle and why not force women to marry the rapist father of the child she didn't want while you're at it. And then both sides get into a shouting match over points that neither of them have raised until everyone everywhere just wants to kill themselves. When I brought up issues with gender identity in society and he called me a baby killer I felt it was time to close it. | ||
StrawDog5
29 Posts
On February 13 2013 03:20 dAPhREAk wrote: oh god..... Something wrong? | ||
dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
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Kerotan
England2109 Posts
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KwarK
United States41470 Posts
On February 13 2013 03:50 dAPhREAk wrote: I'm afraid I used my mod vision to see this post. If you do wish to discuss my actions regarding this then please feel free to PM me. I won't bite. | ||
MasterOfPuppets
Romania6942 Posts
On February 13 2013 03:28 nunez wrote: i think most topics can be discussed / most opinions can be voiced without fearing the violence inherent in the system (ban) as long as you're wording yourself with care. like MoP calling feminism disgusting, i'm thinking he doesn't mean feminism as a whole, but probably some specific aspect of it. they way he words it though is open for interpretation and could destabilize the discussion and cause major shit storms if it was posted in some discussion topic. edit: my pokemon evolved into something. I said it has become disgusting and left it at that simply because this is not the place to be discussing it. + Show Spoiler + To start off, how do you explain the fact that despite tremendous advances in women's rights in recent western society, the propaganda machine that lights up and screams sexism more or less all the time, even though we've come closer than ever to gender equality, even to a point where women definitely hold some unfair advantages (see laws on alimony, false accusations of rape, psychopaths getting impregnated without their partner's consent so that they can exploit said laws on alimony and/or false accusations of rape, list goes on and on honestly). I'm not sure if you're aware of this phenomenon, but it's starting to gain more and more popularity and leverage: there's basically a bunch of subreddits, tumblrs, blogs and various other online communities starting to grow, filled to the brim with very frustrated, possibly emotionally traumatized, bile-spewing, irrational, incomprehensible extremist feminists that do pretty much nothing other than demonize and vilify the middle-class white male of western society as though the entire demographic is the ultimate exponent of tyranny, ignorance, malevolence and primal animal behaviour. The hypocrisy of these poor souls and the incongruence of their beliefs with reality is absolutely appalling. First off, the fact that they continue to shun the aforementioned white males of western society despite the fact that they've already managed to reach a state of gender equality for the most part and are getting quite close to tipping it in the other direction. You know, instead of bring attention to middle-eastern or african societies were women are generally treated far far poorer, let's harp on the men *here* and make them out to be a bunch of Hitlers ready to rape and brutalize women on a whim, even though we enjoy the same rights and can abuse our gender to get unjust advantages in this very society. So basically you have a bunch of sexually frustrated and potentially emotionally scarred women that take out their personal issues (which stem from their own past ineptitude) on men as a whole, thereby: - performing the aforementioned indiscriminate demonization of white males - generally also demonizing women of higher social status who are attractive and not afraid to express their sexuality ("what a slut; she's destroying everything feminists are working for" etc) - conveniently ignoring any sort of unfair advantage that their sexuality and/or social preconceptions brings them, or even worse being extremely entitled as though it's their birthright and they're inherently superior due to their gender (lol do you see the irony here?) - trying their very hardest to further engrain said preconceptions into pop culture and trying to influence as many of the younger males to become spineless subservient "Yes ma`am!" worshippers who will shower them with attention while the girls still fawn over the very male stereotype they vilify (because as it turns out, no amount of propaganda, hypocrisy, deceit or bullshit will change what's been hardwired into your brain from millenia of evolution; oh and by looking at the phenomenon of internet whiteknighting, I'd say it's not looking too good) And if you think that I've based my entire case off an isolated incident, I'm afraid to tell you that you're very wrong. Go out there on the internet. Look for these groups. You'll be surprised how much traction they're starting to get, especially in the ranks of angsty teens / college students who think they just figured out how society works and fuck the system maaan. And you'll be even more surprised to see that most of their arguments and points that they bring up are even poorer than those of our misguided friend GnarlyAbitrage, these people will literally make shit up, put up strawmans and bash the everloving shit out of them while ignoring reality. And sometimes you get humongous tl;dr posts full of "you're literally hitler"-type claims. So yeah... those are my qualms with feminism in its current state. Sorry for rambling, KwarK but this really *really* needed to be said. Whether this discussion may proceed or not is not up to me, but I had to at least say this much. | ||
StrawDog5
29 Posts
And MOP clearly hasn't learned to stop using ABL to debate general forum topics. User was banned for this post. | ||
dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On February 13 2013 04:22 KwarK wrote: I'm afraid I used my mod vision to see this post. If you do wish to discuss my actions regarding this then please feel free to PM me. I won't bite. meh. i see the futility of even questioning the double standards, and a big project just came across my desk. another day. On February 13 2013 04:25 StrawDog5 wrote: daphreak clearly hasn't learned to double edit. And MOP clearly hasn't learned to stop using ABL to debate general forum topics. thought about it (isnt it three edits?), but then decided i dont care if kwark sees. | ||
MasterOfPuppets
Romania6942 Posts
On February 13 2013 04:25 StrawDog5 wrote: daphreak clearly hasn't learned to double edit. And MOP clearly hasn't learned to stop using ABL to debate general forum topics. Who are you again? | ||
nunez
Norway4003 Posts
On February 13 2013 04:24 MasterOfPuppets wrote: I said it has become disgusting and left it at that simply because this is not the place to be discussing it. which was my point almostly, not that i am interesting in debating the topic. edit: it wasn't an attack on your position, i just used the wording in your post as an example of what kind of post i think would cause a thread to devolve into a bad state. | ||
mordek
United States12704 Posts
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MasterOfPuppets
Romania6942 Posts
On February 13 2013 04:40 mordek wrote: Dang. Bye strawdog. I actually liked his posting here. Personally I'm not a fan of uptight, condescending PBUs that never bring anything fruitful to a discussion anyway. He was trying way too hard to be funny and edgy in that "creepy turnoffs" thread or whatever it was called. | ||
Karis Vas Ryaar
United States4396 Posts
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MasterOfPuppets
Romania6942 Posts
On February 13 2013 04:45 karis wrote: here come the kwark hat again. dont worry kwark there's still people who like you *raises hand* <3 | ||
mordek
United States12704 Posts
On February 13 2013 04:44 MasterOfPuppets wrote: Personally I'm not a fan of uptight, condescending PBUs that never bring anything fruitful to a discussion anyway. He was trying way too hard to be funny and edgy in that "creepy turnoffs" thread or whatever it was called. Personally I found it amusing the way he called you out regularly, but that's just me | ||
kollin
United Kingdom8380 Posts
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MasterOfPuppets
Romania6942 Posts
On February 13 2013 04:51 mordek wrote: Personally I found it amusing the way he called you out regularly, but that's just me Someone that my reports brought justice upon maybe? | ||
farvacola
United States18811 Posts
Defacer was just temp banned for 2 days by GMarshal. That account was created on 2010-10-18 02:15:14 and had 4374 posts. Reason: What a bad post. You can post your arguments without needlessly flaming and aggressively insulting others. Try it once, it might get people to reply positively instead of putting them on the defensive. You should know better with your long history. Silly Defacer, tsk tsk! | ||
Aerisky
United States12128 Posts
Also viewable edit history goes as far as 7 edits, I believe. Only jd would be so paranoid as to go that far. I wonder what phreak said though. Definitely agreed with kwark's third post from the top of page 1737, I've always thought the same. | ||
KwarK
United States41470 Posts
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