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On February 02 2013 04:56 Jacmert wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2013 04:49 ymir233 wrote:
Regardless of what the reason is, EG-TL needs to shape up.
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As professionals, there's little excuse for fluctuating in performance so much. I think it's pretty simple. Our best shot is to get Taeja, Stephano, HerO, and Revival in the lineup as often as possible. There aren't good enough reasons for them NOT to be in every single match. I'd like to see more Thorzain and Huk, too, as long as they're in good shape. I don't buy all the excuses, such as Taeja's wrist problems or Stephano preparing for Code S. Taeja just played 3 BO3's, was it, the other day in Code S and advanced to the next round. He looked in great shape. Stephano - well, I haven't watched last night's matches yet, but he's not injured. Proleague is just ONE MAP per match, and only TWO matches per week. Put Taeja and Stephano in there. You don't need Taeja to be practicing dozens and dozens of games to prep for that one map for him to STILL be in better shape than 95% of the Kespa players. And it wouldn't kill Stephano to practice half a dozen games on that map to prep for the match. The other thing that the top calibre players like HerO need to do is just play more standard. They're actually a step above all the other Kespa players except for a few aces, like Rain, maybe Soulkey/Innovation, etc. It was gut wrenching to see HerO lose after his cheese-vs-cheese, and even then, he showed how amazing a player he is by even prolonging the game that long. In summary: @EGtrotRC (the EG-TL coach) should just keep putting Taeja, HerO, Stephano, and Revival in the lineup every single game and get the first three to play a bit more standard/safe. Even a greedy Kespa player who gets an econ advantage early on is not going to have a high chance of beating safe play out of Taeja/HerO/Stephano.
Don't kid yourself. Flash did all kill EGTL (Taeja included). At this point they even have Stephano figured out on Pro League. So, I wouldn't hold my breath for those expectations. Also, we all know what kind of player jD can be but truth is, he's not getting that Kespa level of training like the teams he's playing against are.
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On February 02 2013 05:15 SamsungStar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2013 04:49 Jacmert wrote:On February 02 2013 04:33 SamsungStar wrote:On February 02 2013 04:30 sacade wrote:http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2012-2013_Proleague/Statisticsif we look at the win rate, EGTL has 5 players who are above 50%. The same as KT and Woongjin Stars and more than other teams. The problems are that we almost never see the best players (Stephano and Taeja) and I don't think that the team has enough preparation (According to liquipedia EGTL is the team with the less coachs and I read somewhere HerO complains about finding partner for training). And it's a foreign team, Most of fans want to see wins and foreigners play. Stop sending Puma please  I don't know why there's this much analysis into quite a simple problem: EGTL doesn't have a reliable Ace. Look at Khan's team score. They're 8-8 with -9 in match points LOL. But they're on a crazy win streak. Why? Two strong aces: Jangbi and Roro. Who is EGTL's ace in the hole? I don't see one. And that's why their match score is the same as Khan's yet they're 6-10. When was the last time we even got to an Ace match? HerO, Taeja, and Stephano are good enough to be our Aces. Revival could be argued to be good enough, as well. The real problem - I think - is that we keep putting Zenio, Puma, and to a lesser extent JYP out in the lineup ahead of the first four I mentioned. Not really. Aces are supposed to win their first match then take the ace as well. Hero's not even winning his regular PL match. Half the reason why EGTL isn't making it to ace matches. Look at Roro/Jangbi for examples of what Ace players look like.
Funny because Roro has a 0% winrate against HerO from both PL and individual leagues. HerO's winning about half his PL matches atm which, while underwhelming for a player of his caliber, would still be reliable if they had a strong core team to back him up. But with Stephano not playing recently and Taeja being out because of his wrist problems, there really isn't.
But hey, remember this season when EGTL all killed Samsung Khan? Lol, that was quickly forgotten. MAN these EGTL guys are bad.
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Samsung Khan also went 1-6 in that round, with another all-kill by Woongjin.
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On February 02 2013 05:39 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2013 05:15 SamsungStar wrote:On February 02 2013 04:49 Jacmert wrote:On February 02 2013 04:33 SamsungStar wrote:On February 02 2013 04:30 sacade wrote:http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2012-2013_Proleague/Statisticsif we look at the win rate, EGTL has 5 players who are above 50%. The same as KT and Woongjin Stars and more than other teams. The problems are that we almost never see the best players (Stephano and Taeja) and I don't think that the team has enough preparation (According to liquipedia EGTL is the team with the less coachs and I read somewhere HerO complains about finding partner for training). And it's a foreign team, Most of fans want to see wins and foreigners play. Stop sending Puma please I don't know why there's this much analysis into quite a simple problem: EGTL doesn't have a reliable Ace. Look at Khan's team score. They're 8-8 with -9 in match points LOL. But they're on a crazy win streak. Why? Two strong aces: Jangbi and Roro. Who is EGTL's ace in the hole? I don't see one. And that's why their match score is the same as Khan's yet they're 6-10. When was the last time we even got to an Ace match? HerO, Taeja, and Stephano are good enough to be our Aces. Revival could be argued to be good enough, as well. The real problem - I think - is that we keep putting Zenio, Puma, and to a lesser extent JYP out in the lineup ahead of the first four I mentioned. Not really. Aces are supposed to win their first match then take the ace as well. Hero's not even winning his regular PL match. Half the reason why EGTL isn't making it to ace matches. Look at Roro/Jangbi for examples of what Ace players look like. Funny because Roro has a 0% winrate against HerO from both PL and individual leagues. HerO's winning about half his PL matches atm which, while underwhelming for a player of his caliber, would still be reliable if they had a strong core team to back him up. But with Stephano not playing recently and Taeja being out because of his wrist problems, there really isn't. But hey, remember this season when EGTL all killed Samsung Khan? Lol, that was quickly forgotten. MAN these EGTL guys are bad.
What? The only set they've played this season is the one in this thread, which they lost 4:1. Nice one BRAH.
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On February 02 2013 07:30 SamsungStar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2013 05:39 DarkLordOlli wrote:On February 02 2013 05:15 SamsungStar wrote:On February 02 2013 04:49 Jacmert wrote:On February 02 2013 04:33 SamsungStar wrote:On February 02 2013 04:30 sacade wrote:http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2012-2013_Proleague/Statisticsif we look at the win rate, EGTL has 5 players who are above 50%. The same as KT and Woongjin Stars and more than other teams. The problems are that we almost never see the best players (Stephano and Taeja) and I don't think that the team has enough preparation (According to liquipedia EGTL is the team with the less coachs and I read somewhere HerO complains about finding partner for training). And it's a foreign team, Most of fans want to see wins and foreigners play. Stop sending Puma please I don't know why there's this much analysis into quite a simple problem: EGTL doesn't have a reliable Ace. Look at Khan's team score. They're 8-8 with -9 in match points LOL. But they're on a crazy win streak. Why? Two strong aces: Jangbi and Roro. Who is EGTL's ace in the hole? I don't see one. And that's why their match score is the same as Khan's yet they're 6-10. When was the last time we even got to an Ace match? HerO, Taeja, and Stephano are good enough to be our Aces. Revival could be argued to be good enough, as well. The real problem - I think - is that we keep putting Zenio, Puma, and to a lesser extent JYP out in the lineup ahead of the first four I mentioned. Not really. Aces are supposed to win their first match then take the ace as well. Hero's not even winning his regular PL match. Half the reason why EGTL isn't making it to ace matches. Look at Roro/Jangbi for examples of what Ace players look like. Funny because Roro has a 0% winrate against HerO from both PL and individual leagues. HerO's winning about half his PL matches atm which, while underwhelming for a player of his caliber, would still be reliable if they had a strong core team to back him up. But with Stephano not playing recently and Taeja being out because of his wrist problems, there really isn't. But hey, remember this season when EGTL all killed Samsung Khan? Lol, that was quickly forgotten. MAN these EGTL guys are bad. What? The only set they've played this season is the one in this thread, which they lost 4:1. Nice one BRAH.
This season had 3 rounds so far. First round, EGTL all killed Samsung Khan. Second round HerO 3 killed them and then they had nobody to follow up so EGTL lost 3-4. Now Khan 4-1.
Wondering if you're just playing dumb
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On February 02 2013 07:44 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2013 07:30 SamsungStar wrote:On February 02 2013 05:39 DarkLordOlli wrote:On February 02 2013 05:15 SamsungStar wrote:On February 02 2013 04:49 Jacmert wrote:On February 02 2013 04:33 SamsungStar wrote:On February 02 2013 04:30 sacade wrote:http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2012-2013_Proleague/Statisticsif we look at the win rate, EGTL has 5 players who are above 50%. The same as KT and Woongjin Stars and more than other teams. The problems are that we almost never see the best players (Stephano and Taeja) and I don't think that the team has enough preparation (According to liquipedia EGTL is the team with the less coachs and I read somewhere HerO complains about finding partner for training). And it's a foreign team, Most of fans want to see wins and foreigners play. Stop sending Puma please I don't know why there's this much analysis into quite a simple problem: EGTL doesn't have a reliable Ace. Look at Khan's team score. They're 8-8 with -9 in match points LOL. But they're on a crazy win streak. Why? Two strong aces: Jangbi and Roro. Who is EGTL's ace in the hole? I don't see one. And that's why their match score is the same as Khan's yet they're 6-10. When was the last time we even got to an Ace match? HerO, Taeja, and Stephano are good enough to be our Aces. Revival could be argued to be good enough, as well. The real problem - I think - is that we keep putting Zenio, Puma, and to a lesser extent JYP out in the lineup ahead of the first four I mentioned. Not really. Aces are supposed to win their first match then take the ace as well. Hero's not even winning his regular PL match. Half the reason why EGTL isn't making it to ace matches. Look at Roro/Jangbi for examples of what Ace players look like. Funny because Roro has a 0% winrate against HerO from both PL and individual leagues. HerO's winning about half his PL matches atm which, while underwhelming for a player of his caliber, would still be reliable if they had a strong core team to back him up. But with Stephano not playing recently and Taeja being out because of his wrist problems, there really isn't. But hey, remember this season when EGTL all killed Samsung Khan? Lol, that was quickly forgotten. MAN these EGTL guys are bad. What? The only set they've played this season is the one in this thread, which they lost 4:1. Nice one BRAH. This season had 3 rounds so far. First round, EGTL all killed Samsung Khan. Second round HerO 3 killed them and then they had nobody to follow up so EGTL lost 3-4. Now Khan 4-1. Wondering if you're just playing dumb
Oh okay, so you're saying Khan is up 2-1 vs EGTL? A team that started the season going 1-6 with players that made comments about how they didn't understand the game in interviews during their train wreck of a first round. And somehow this is supposed to be a blistering retort to those who say EGTL is bad?
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man EGTL is really suffering without Taeja/Stephano...
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On February 02 2013 07:53 SamsungStar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2013 07:44 DarkLordOlli wrote:On February 02 2013 07:30 SamsungStar wrote:On February 02 2013 05:39 DarkLordOlli wrote:On February 02 2013 05:15 SamsungStar wrote:On February 02 2013 04:49 Jacmert wrote:On February 02 2013 04:33 SamsungStar wrote:On February 02 2013 04:30 sacade wrote:http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2012-2013_Proleague/Statisticsif we look at the win rate, EGTL has 5 players who are above 50%. The same as KT and Woongjin Stars and more than other teams. The problems are that we almost never see the best players (Stephano and Taeja) and I don't think that the team has enough preparation (According to liquipedia EGTL is the team with the less coachs and I read somewhere HerO complains about finding partner for training). And it's a foreign team, Most of fans want to see wins and foreigners play. Stop sending Puma please I don't know why there's this much analysis into quite a simple problem: EGTL doesn't have a reliable Ace. Look at Khan's team score. They're 8-8 with -9 in match points LOL. But they're on a crazy win streak. Why? Two strong aces: Jangbi and Roro. Who is EGTL's ace in the hole? I don't see one. And that's why their match score is the same as Khan's yet they're 6-10. When was the last time we even got to an Ace match? HerO, Taeja, and Stephano are good enough to be our Aces. Revival could be argued to be good enough, as well. The real problem - I think - is that we keep putting Zenio, Puma, and to a lesser extent JYP out in the lineup ahead of the first four I mentioned. Not really. Aces are supposed to win their first match then take the ace as well. Hero's not even winning his regular PL match. Half the reason why EGTL isn't making it to ace matches. Look at Roro/Jangbi for examples of what Ace players look like. Funny because Roro has a 0% winrate against HerO from both PL and individual leagues. HerO's winning about half his PL matches atm which, while underwhelming for a player of his caliber, would still be reliable if they had a strong core team to back him up. But with Stephano not playing recently and Taeja being out because of his wrist problems, there really isn't. But hey, remember this season when EGTL all killed Samsung Khan? Lol, that was quickly forgotten. MAN these EGTL guys are bad. What? The only set they've played this season is the one in this thread, which they lost 4:1. Nice one BRAH. This season had 3 rounds so far. First round, EGTL all killed Samsung Khan. Second round HerO 3 killed them and then they had nobody to follow up so EGTL lost 3-4. Now Khan 4-1. Wondering if you're just playing dumb Oh okay, so you're saying Khan is up 2-1 vs EGTL? A team that started the season going 1-6 with players that made comments about how they didn't understand the game in interviews during their train wreck of a first round. And somehow this is supposed to be a blistering retort to those who say EGTL is bad?
So... EGTL did better than Khan in round 1, "they're just learning the game". EGTL does worse than Khan (as of right now) in round 3, every player on EGTL is bad. Their map score head to head is equal. EGTL played with an arguably weaker lineup this time around, missing Stephano and Taeja, Revival not getting to play.
But whatever. Arguing with you is pointless as fuck since you only know how to strawman and dodge questions.
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This is getting kinda embarrassing for EGTL
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So much butthurt in this thread
Can't we all just play nice, agree that EGTL sucks, and move on? 
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strong denial in this thread.
the results speak for themselves. egtl at the bottom and not trending upwards, despite all fanboy excuses.
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On February 01 2013 23:08 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 23:02 SamsungStar wrote:On February 01 2013 21:04 DarkLordOlli wrote:On February 01 2013 21:01 NightOfTheDead wrote:On February 01 2013 20:55 Zeon0 wrote:
TL need another player in Korea so EGTL has more options. Maybe send Snute over there? Stephano Taeja Jaedong JYP Hero - Huk, Zenio, Thorzain, Puma And they need more players to send out? More options? Really? Not many teams can boast such a lineup actually, and most of these players were playing from beta. Has something to do with Kespa training and preparation. Why does every thread have to go there T_T If it was an individual league, the EGTL players would probably score better results than 90% of the kespa players. But it's not, this is a team league. Different format, different preparation. Different skills required. I kind of agree with you but that's not something only kespa teams are capable of Right, that's why EG did so well in winner's league. What a crock of doodoo. The team is just bad. There's no hidden reason for it. There's no need to make excuses. In other news, KHAN wins again  Lol. You could argue that the "lower half" of EGTL isn't top tier. Then again, Zenio made Code A while tons of hyped kespa players didn't. HerO has 3 tournament wins under his belt + GSL Ro4 & Ro8 last year and a great performance at IPL5 that kinda fell under the radar because zerg suffocated the whole tournament. Taeja has won multiple tournaments and all killed multiple things and is currently performing well in GSL even though his wrists are in bad shape. Stephano has mulitple tournament wins and is always performing well. I wasn't arguing that EGTL was a good team. At least read the post correctly. I said INDIVIDUAL LEAGUE = GSL, MLG, etc. HerO, Taeja, Stephano would place higher at individual tournaments than 90% of the kespa players.That doesn't mean they'll perform well in PL. You could argue that the team is bad, whatever. What I'm saying is that EGTL has better individual players than most other teams but that it doesn't necessarily benefit them in a teamleague format like this, especially with Bo1s. Same reason why IM wasn't winning everything.
After seeing Jaedong lose, I can at least enjoy a little comic relief here.
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Anyone know why there's no pro-league match tonight?
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Is this happening and just not on the calendar? If so in how long?
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On February 02 2013 08:07 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2013 07:53 SamsungStar wrote:On February 02 2013 07:44 DarkLordOlli wrote:On February 02 2013 07:30 SamsungStar wrote:On February 02 2013 05:39 DarkLordOlli wrote:On February 02 2013 05:15 SamsungStar wrote:On February 02 2013 04:49 Jacmert wrote:On February 02 2013 04:33 SamsungStar wrote:On February 02 2013 04:30 sacade wrote:http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2012-2013_Proleague/Statisticsif we look at the win rate, EGTL has 5 players who are above 50%. The same as KT and Woongjin Stars and more than other teams. The problems are that we almost never see the best players (Stephano and Taeja) and I don't think that the team has enough preparation (According to liquipedia EGTL is the team with the less coachs and I read somewhere HerO complains about finding partner for training). And it's a foreign team, Most of fans want to see wins and foreigners play. Stop sending Puma please I don't know why there's this much analysis into quite a simple problem: EGTL doesn't have a reliable Ace. Look at Khan's team score. They're 8-8 with -9 in match points LOL. But they're on a crazy win streak. Why? Two strong aces: Jangbi and Roro. Who is EGTL's ace in the hole? I don't see one. And that's why their match score is the same as Khan's yet they're 6-10. When was the last time we even got to an Ace match? HerO, Taeja, and Stephano are good enough to be our Aces. Revival could be argued to be good enough, as well. The real problem - I think - is that we keep putting Zenio, Puma, and to a lesser extent JYP out in the lineup ahead of the first four I mentioned. Not really. Aces are supposed to win their first match then take the ace as well. Hero's not even winning his regular PL match. Half the reason why EGTL isn't making it to ace matches. Look at Roro/Jangbi for examples of what Ace players look like. Funny because Roro has a 0% winrate against HerO from both PL and individual leagues. HerO's winning about half his PL matches atm which, while underwhelming for a player of his caliber, would still be reliable if they had a strong core team to back him up. But with Stephano not playing recently and Taeja being out because of his wrist problems, there really isn't. But hey, remember this season when EGTL all killed Samsung Khan? Lol, that was quickly forgotten. MAN these EGTL guys are bad. What? The only set they've played this season is the one in this thread, which they lost 4:1. Nice one BRAH. This season had 3 rounds so far. First round, EGTL all killed Samsung Khan. Second round HerO 3 killed them and then they had nobody to follow up so EGTL lost 3-4. Now Khan 4-1. Wondering if you're just playing dumb Oh okay, so you're saying Khan is up 2-1 vs EGTL? A team that started the season going 1-6 with players that made comments about how they didn't understand the game in interviews during their train wreck of a first round. And somehow this is supposed to be a blistering retort to those who say EGTL is bad? So... EGTL did better than Khan in round 1, "they're just learning the game". EGTL does worse than Khan (as of right now) in round 3, every player on EGTL is bad. Their map score head to head is equal. EGTL played with an arguably weaker lineup this time around, missing Stephano and Taeja, Revival not getting to play. But whatever. Arguing with you is pointless as fuck since you only know how to strawman and dodge questions.
Cursing helps. You notice the part where nobody agrees with you? It's because your arguments are terrible. And sorry, despite what 12 yr olds on the internet think, calling everything a strawman isn't a proper rebuttal.
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The whining in this thread fits the cheese in the games quite nicely.
Unfortunately, the fact is that the teams have switched roles. Samsung Khan started the season as a bottom feeder but somehow they've clawed all the back to being a respectable team. EGTL started off as a respectable team but somehow they're sinking to the bottom.
It's not just a matter of getting one or two players to be productive. They're supposed to be one of the deeper teams in Proleague but everyone is underperforming.
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On February 02 2013 10:58 SamsungStar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2013 08:07 DarkLordOlli wrote:On February 02 2013 07:53 SamsungStar wrote:On February 02 2013 07:44 DarkLordOlli wrote:On February 02 2013 07:30 SamsungStar wrote:On February 02 2013 05:39 DarkLordOlli wrote:On February 02 2013 05:15 SamsungStar wrote:On February 02 2013 04:49 Jacmert wrote:On February 02 2013 04:33 SamsungStar wrote:On February 02 2013 04:30 sacade wrote:http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2012-2013_Proleague/Statisticsif we look at the win rate, EGTL has 5 players who are above 50%. The same as KT and Woongjin Stars and more than other teams. The problems are that we almost never see the best players (Stephano and Taeja) and I don't think that the team has enough preparation (According to liquipedia EGTL is the team with the less coachs and I read somewhere HerO complains about finding partner for training). And it's a foreign team, Most of fans want to see wins and foreigners play. Stop sending Puma please I don't know why there's this much analysis into quite a simple problem: EGTL doesn't have a reliable Ace. Look at Khan's team score. They're 8-8 with -9 in match points LOL. But they're on a crazy win streak. Why? Two strong aces: Jangbi and Roro. Who is EGTL's ace in the hole? I don't see one. And that's why their match score is the same as Khan's yet they're 6-10. When was the last time we even got to an Ace match? HerO, Taeja, and Stephano are good enough to be our Aces. Revival could be argued to be good enough, as well. The real problem - I think - is that we keep putting Zenio, Puma, and to a lesser extent JYP out in the lineup ahead of the first four I mentioned. Not really. Aces are supposed to win their first match then take the ace as well. Hero's not even winning his regular PL match. Half the reason why EGTL isn't making it to ace matches. Look at Roro/Jangbi for examples of what Ace players look like. Funny because Roro has a 0% winrate against HerO from both PL and individual leagues. HerO's winning about half his PL matches atm which, while underwhelming for a player of his caliber, would still be reliable if they had a strong core team to back him up. But with Stephano not playing recently and Taeja being out because of his wrist problems, there really isn't. But hey, remember this season when EGTL all killed Samsung Khan? Lol, that was quickly forgotten. MAN these EGTL guys are bad. What? The only set they've played this season is the one in this thread, which they lost 4:1. Nice one BRAH. This season had 3 rounds so far. First round, EGTL all killed Samsung Khan. Second round HerO 3 killed them and then they had nobody to follow up so EGTL lost 3-4. Now Khan 4-1. Wondering if you're just playing dumb Oh okay, so you're saying Khan is up 2-1 vs EGTL? A team that started the season going 1-6 with players that made comments about how they didn't understand the game in interviews during their train wreck of a first round. And somehow this is supposed to be a blistering retort to those who say EGTL is bad? So... EGTL did better than Khan in round 1, "they're just learning the game". EGTL does worse than Khan (as of right now) in round 3, every player on EGTL is bad. Their map score head to head is equal. EGTL played with an arguably weaker lineup this time around, missing Stephano and Taeja, Revival not getting to play. But whatever. Arguing with you is pointless as fuck since you only know how to strawman and dodge questions. Cursing helps. You notice the part where nobody agrees with you? It's because your arguments are terrible. And sorry, despite what 12 yr olds on the internet think, calling everything a strawman isn't a proper rebuttal.
Well it might help if you were more clear with your posts lol
I mean, first you say 'zomg no ace for egtl thats why they lose'
Then it's "yaya check out roro and jangbi, pimps~ o and ya I remember when EGTL 4-0'd Samsung keke all you suckers thinking they're bad"
Then "dude wtf are you dumb how does that say that they aren't bad", even though you're the one that mentioned that they beat Samsung once and the other guy was saying that it didn't mean anything since samsung was dumber than a rock....
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On February 02 2013 11:39 GTPGlitch wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2013 10:58 SamsungStar wrote:On February 02 2013 08:07 DarkLordOlli wrote:On February 02 2013 07:53 SamsungStar wrote:On February 02 2013 07:44 DarkLordOlli wrote:On February 02 2013 07:30 SamsungStar wrote:On February 02 2013 05:39 DarkLordOlli wrote:On February 02 2013 05:15 SamsungStar wrote:On February 02 2013 04:49 Jacmert wrote:On February 02 2013 04:33 SamsungStar wrote:
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I don't know why there's this much analysis into quite a simple problem: EGTL doesn't have a reliable Ace. Look at Khan's team score. They're 8-8 with -9 in match points LOL. But they're on a crazy win streak. Why? Two strong aces: Jangbi and Roro.
Who is EGTL's ace in the hole? I don't see one. And that's why their match score is the same as Khan's yet they're 6-10. When was the last time we even got to an Ace match? HerO, Taeja, and Stephano are good enough to be our Aces. Revival could be argued to be good enough, as well. The real problem - I think - is that we keep putting Zenio, Puma, and to a lesser extent JYP out in the lineup ahead of the first four I mentioned. Not really. Aces are supposed to win their first match then take the ace as well. Hero's not even winning his regular PL match. Half the reason why EGTL isn't making it to ace matches. Look at Roro/Jangbi for examples of what Ace players look like. Funny because Roro has a 0% winrate against HerO from both PL and individual leagues. HerO's winning about half his PL matches atm which, while underwhelming for a player of his caliber, would still be reliable if they had a strong core team to back him up. But with Stephano not playing recently and Taeja being out because of his wrist problems, there really isn't. But hey, remember this season when EGTL all killed Samsung Khan? Lol, that was quickly forgotten. MAN these EGTL guys are bad. What? The only set they've played this season is the one in this thread, which they lost 4:1. Nice one BRAH. This season had 3 rounds so far. First round, EGTL all killed Samsung Khan. Second round HerO 3 killed them and then they had nobody to follow up so EGTL lost 3-4. Now Khan 4-1. Wondering if you're just playing dumb Oh okay, so you're saying Khan is up 2-1 vs EGTL? A team that started the season going 1-6 with players that made comments about how they didn't understand the game in interviews during their train wreck of a first round. And somehow this is supposed to be a blistering retort to those who say EGTL is bad? So... EGTL did better than Khan in round 1, "they're just learning the game". EGTL does worse than Khan (as of right now) in round 3, every player on EGTL is bad. Their map score head to head is equal. EGTL played with an arguably weaker lineup this time around, missing Stephano and Taeja, Revival not getting to play. But whatever. Arguing with you is pointless as fuck since you only know how to strawman and dodge questions. Cursing helps. You notice the part where nobody agrees with you? It's because your arguments are terrible. And sorry, despite what 12 yr olds on the internet think, calling everything a strawman isn't a proper rebuttal. Well it might help if you were more clear with your posts lol I mean, first you say 'zomg no ace for egtl thats why they lose' Then it's "yaya check out roro and jangbi, pimps~ o and ya I remember when EGTL 4-0'd Samsung keke all you suckers thinking they're bad" Then "dude wtf are you dumb how does that say that they aren't bad", even though you're the one that mentioned that they beat Samsung once and the other guy was saying that it didn't mean anything since samsung was dumber than a rock....
I'm sure a lot of things seem obscure when you can't read. Or make coherent summaries. I clearly stated in round 1 Samsung players didn't even understand the game yet. Which, if you have any grasp on logic, explains why they performed so poorly in round 1. Round 2 and now Round 3, they performed exceptionally well. And it was on the strength of their aces, hence so many 4-3 wins. It's really not that hard to follow. But somehow you managed to veer off track. Bravo.
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Roro losing against Stephano...gah that kills my BW heart. Getting depressed for EGTL at this stage.
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On February 02 2013 11:43 SamsungStar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2013 11:39 GTPGlitch wrote:On February 02 2013 10:58 SamsungStar wrote:On February 02 2013 08:07 DarkLordOlli wrote:On February 02 2013 07:53 SamsungStar wrote:On February 02 2013 07:44 DarkLordOlli wrote:On February 02 2013 07:30 SamsungStar wrote:On February 02 2013 05:39 DarkLordOlli wrote:On February 02 2013 05:15 SamsungStar wrote:On February 02 2013 04:49 Jacmert wrote:
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When was the last time we even got to an Ace match?
HerO, Taeja, and Stephano are good enough to be our Aces. Revival could be argued to be good enough, as well.
The real problem - I think - is that we keep putting Zenio, Puma, and to a lesser extent JYP out in the lineup ahead of the first four I mentioned. Not really. Aces are supposed to win their first match then take the ace as well. Hero's not even winning his regular PL match. Half the reason why EGTL isn't making it to ace matches. Look at Roro/Jangbi for examples of what Ace players look like. Funny because Roro has a 0% winrate against HerO from both PL and individual leagues. HerO's winning about half his PL matches atm which, while underwhelming for a player of his caliber, would still be reliable if they had a strong core team to back him up. But with Stephano not playing recently and Taeja being out because of his wrist problems, there really isn't. But hey, remember this season when EGTL all killed Samsung Khan? Lol, that was quickly forgotten. MAN these EGTL guys are bad. What? The only set they've played this season is the one in this thread, which they lost 4:1. Nice one BRAH. This season had 3 rounds so far. First round, EGTL all killed Samsung Khan. Second round HerO 3 killed them and then they had nobody to follow up so EGTL lost 3-4. Now Khan 4-1. Wondering if you're just playing dumb Oh okay, so you're saying Khan is up 2-1 vs EGTL? A team that started the season going 1-6 with players that made comments about how they didn't understand the game in interviews during their train wreck of a first round. And somehow this is supposed to be a blistering retort to those who say EGTL is bad? So... EGTL did better than Khan in round 1, "they're just learning the game". EGTL does worse than Khan (as of right now) in round 3, every player on EGTL is bad. Their map score head to head is equal. EGTL played with an arguably weaker lineup this time around, missing Stephano and Taeja, Revival not getting to play. But whatever. Arguing with you is pointless as fuck since you only know how to strawman and dodge questions. Cursing helps. You notice the part where nobody agrees with you? It's because your arguments are terrible. And sorry, despite what 12 yr olds on the internet think, calling everything a strawman isn't a proper rebuttal. Well it might help if you were more clear with your posts lol I mean, first you say 'zomg no ace for egtl thats why they lose' Then it's "yaya check out roro and jangbi, pimps~ o and ya I remember when EGTL 4-0'd Samsung keke all you suckers thinking they're bad" Then "dude wtf are you dumb how does that say that they aren't bad", even though you're the one that mentioned that they beat Samsung once and the other guy was saying that it didn't mean anything since samsung was dumber than a rock.... I'm sure a lot of things seem obscure when you can't read. Or make coherent summaries. I clearly stated in round 1 Samsung players didn't even understand the game yet. Which, if you have any grasp on logic, explains why they performed so poorly in round 1. Round 2 and now Round 3, they performed exceptionally well. And it was on the strength of their aces, hence so many 4-3 wins. It's really not that hard to follow. But somehow you managed to veer off track. Bravo.
lol the fuck is your issue dude?
Sorry if I interpreted this But hey, remember this season when EGTL all killed Samsung Khan? Lol, that was quickly forgotten. MAN these EGTL guys are bad. as sarcastic and got the wrong impression, but it sure seems like you were saying that EGTL was actually good in that post.
Sorry I disturbed you during this time of the month, i guess
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