EPT[SPL] Samsung KHAN vs. EG-Liquid R3 - Page 17
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Balfazar
Australia483 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15689 Posts
Reality < Zenio (Qualified for code A. Look at all the people who didn't qualify. I want to believe!) TurN > PuMa (Puma not capable of winning) Stork ?? JYP (Both just kinda..eh) JangBi < HerO (I think this is a clear favorite) Shine < Revival (Just kinda think Revival is better) | ||
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Confuse
2238 Posts
On February 02 2013 17:02 Balfazar wrote: Can't we just agree EGTL sucks and move on? I think most people understand they are in last place; the real debate should be on why. The first foreign team to enter proleague should have all the motivation in the world to do well. I just don't understand why that doesn't convert into actually doing well. | ||
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InFiNitY[pG]
Germany3474 Posts
On February 02 2013 17:17 Confuse wrote: I think most people understand they are in last place; the real debate should be on why. The first foreign team to enter proleague should have all the motivation in the world to do well. I just don't understand why that doesn't convert into actually doing well. Cuz they have to play Puma and Zenio instead of Taeja and Stephano. If they had an in-shape taeja and Stephano since the first week they would be doing much better I'm certain. Zenio is a sure loss unless he gets ZvZ and puma is a sure loss period. Combine that with questionable decisionmaking when it comes to ace players and you see why they have such a bad record. | ||
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shadymmj
1906 Posts
Even teams such as team 8, who really have no outstanding players at the start of the season, have made the best out of their situation...and found that with sufficient practice and commitment, even no-name players can start winning consistently. Or you can keep on trying to convince yourself that it's the coach, lineups, cheese games, macro games, "saving" strategies for GSL, bad maps, terrible luck, etc., yes, that must be it. | ||
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L0L
United States176 Posts
On February 02 2013 17:05 Mohdoo wrote: RorO ?? Jaedong (Interestingly, wouldn't be surprised if either one rolled the other one) Reality < Zenio (Qualified for code A. Look at all the people who didn't qualify. I want to believe!) TurN > PuMa (Puma not capable of winning) Stork ?? JYP (Both just kinda..eh) JangBi < HerO (I think this is a clear favorite) Shine < Revival (Just kinda think Revival is better) bro... i got sum bad nuwz... you are only right on turn>puma | ||
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Ch3rry
Poland225 Posts
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0dem
Germany129 Posts
EGTL is playing in fu**ing PROLEAGUE!! Who would have thought that this might be true some day two or three years ago? I am pretty sure that almost nobody did! To quote Gandalf: "There was never much hope; Only a fool could hope." Let us just be grateful for the possibility to see "our" team, the team that represents the foreign community like no other teams, fight against the legends of BW on a daily basis! Everytime I switch on SPL there is a match going on between two players we used to admire and look up to in the oldern days. It is just pure awesomeness to see EGTL compete in this scenario. Of course, many people thought that EGTL would crush the BW teams based on the "having played sc2 for longer"-advantage. I guess BW teams make up for that with dedication, passion and a precise practice regime. The first time around should be seen as an experience. Getting to know PL, the pressure in the booth. PL has it´sown rules. And in a season, there will always be a "favorite" that chokes. Just give this team some time to get used to PL and just enjoy the fact, that EGTL is going head to head wit h teams like SKT T!, KT Rolster or KHAN! This alone should be enough. I know it is for me  EGTL fighting! ps: Yeah, maybe they aren´t fielding their best players. But still, there is a reason for everything and we can´t look behind the scenes. Let´s cheer for everybody! They fought hard for their dream and maybe if we stop to look at everything with a negative attitude, things will turn around  | ||
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Facultyadjutant
Sweden1876 Posts
On February 02 2013 17:30 Ch3rry wrote: Just put Taeja, HerO, Stephano and JaeDong at first 4 players. Even if they lose their games, its still better shot than Zenio and "0-wins" PuMa. you HAVE to play puma, if he does best in the inhouse ranking matches, then he must brake his proleague losstreak. You have to build the whole team and up, else you will end up even worse. | ||
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lessQQmorePEWPEW
Jamaica921 Posts
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InFiNitY[pG]
Germany3474 Posts
On February 02 2013 17:49 Facultyadjutant wrote: you HAVE to play puma, if he does best in the inhouse ranking matches, then he must brake his proleague losstreak. You have to build the whole team and up, else you will end up even worse. who says puma does best in the inhouse matches? | ||
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shadymmj
1906 Posts
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Ender985
Spain910 Posts
I hope that with the coming of HotS and the return of Stephano, now that he is out from the remainder of GSL, things might look a bit better, but still Puma and Zenio need to improve a lot in order to give some consistency to the team. | ||
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nomyx
United States2205 Posts
On February 02 2013 17:17 Confuse wrote: I think most people understand they are in last place; the real debate should be on why. The first foreign team to enter proleague should have all the motivation in the world to do well. I just don't understand why that doesn't convert into actually doing well. I think it's a mixture of many things. Poor coaching decisions, not fielding certain players (Taeja's injury I can understand, but fielding certain players first when that player has a bad winrate vs 2 races, stephano focusing on GSL instead of proleague, ect), and even possibly the players not focusing enough time on proleague when we know all the KeSPA pros spend the majority of their time practicing for pro league. Just some armchair analysis. | ||
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Matoo-
Canada1397 Posts
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SwizzY
United States1549 Posts
On February 02 2013 17:49 Facultyadjutant wrote: you HAVE to play puma, if he does best in the inhouse ranking matches, then he must brake his proleague losstreak. You have to build the whole team and up, else you will end up even worse. Or cut a guy that can't perform loose and pick up some other unsigned up and comer. | ||
Olli
Austria24417 Posts
On February 02 2013 20:32 nomyx wrote: I think it's a mixture of many things. Poor coaching decisions, not fielding certain players (Taeja's injury I can understand, but fielding certain players first when that player has a bad winrate vs 2 races, stephano focusing on GSL instead of proleague, ect), and even possibly the players not focusing enough time on proleague when we know all the KeSPA pros spend the majority of their time practicing for pro league. Just some armchair analysis. I agree with this. What I absolutely despise are people who look at teamleague results, ignore all the factors that go into it and argue that every player on the losing team is bad. EGTL is performing poorly as a team, yes. They might be bad as a team, yes. Are all the players performing poorly in individual leagues? No. So that's kind of a stupid thing to argue. In other news, Jangbi didn't make Code A while Zenio did. An individual league, you know... where people focus on showing their skill as an individual player, as the name already suggests. While that doesn't mean he's the better player, it also isn't exactly screaming "ZENIO IS BAD!!!" like some idiots are. Compare it to the English soccer team. They have incredible individual players. Are they as good as they could be as a team? No. Why? Because working as a team requires a different approach, chemistry between the players, ETC. Would you watch England lose 4-1 to Germany and argue that Rooney is bad? No, because it's dumb as fuck. | ||
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baubo
China3370 Posts
On February 02 2013 20:45 DarkLordOlli wrote: I agree with this. What I absolutely despise are people who look at teamleague results, ignore all the factors that go into it and argue that every player on the losing team is bad. EGTL is performing poorly as a team, yes. They might be bad as a team, yes. Are all the players performing poorly in individual leagues? No. So that's kind of a stupid thing to argue. Scanning all the trolling you did in this thread, I think this statement sums up your butthurt. Nobody here has even remotely stated that everyone on EGTL is bad. You are either delusional, or have backed yourself into an untenable position that you can't possibly defend. So you have to make it seem everyone else are taking an absurdly extreme stance that doesn't exist. Compare it to the English soccer team. They have incredible individual players. Are they as good as they could be as a team? No. Why? Because working as a team requires a different approach, chemistry between the players, ETC. Would you watch England lose 4-1 to Germany and argue that Rooney is bad? No, because it's dumb as fuck Yet another example of having absolutely no actual logic to backup your position, hence making a horrible analogy that neither adheres to common sense, nor adhere to history. From a common sense standpoint, a series of 1-on-1 matchups and one where 11 players work in cohesion cannot possibly equate. From a historical standpoint, KTFlash, Jaedong Oz, MBSea all roll their eyes at this comparison | ||
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Olli
Austria24417 Posts
On February 02 2013 21:10 baubo wrote: Scanning all the trolling you did in this thread, I think this statement sums up your butthurt. Nobody here has even remotely stated that everyone on EGTL is bad. You are either delusional, or have backed yourself into an untenable position that you can't possibly defend. So you have to make it seem everyone else are taking an absurdly extreme stance that doesn't exist. Yet another example of having absolutely no actual logic to backup your position, hence making a horrible analogy that neither adheres to common sense, nor adhere to history. From a common sense standpoint, a series of 1-on-1 matchups and one where 11 players work in cohesion cannot possibly equate. From a historical standpoint, KTFlash, Jaedong Oz, MBSea all roll their eyes at this comparison You should scan the amount of posts in this thread saying "EGTL is bad" or the amount of posts that are nothing but player bashing. Nowhere did I say that EGTL was a good team, I'm just saying that people should stop hating on their players and why. Also, wtf does defending players have to do with butthurt? I'm defending the players, not the team. The team is performing poorly. They might be a bad team, yeah. But they're doing just as well (or even better) than most Khan players in individual leagues. So taking this result and arguing that Khan simply has better players is completely dumb. It's not a completely similar example but you get my point. What if EGTL isn't good at practicing together or preparing for matches as a team? The players might be WAY better at preparing for a BoX series. I'm not saying that that's the case, just that it MIGHT be and that there's more to it than "EGTL players are bad". All I'm saying with that example is that there's way different factors involved in playing as a team compared to playing as an individual player. If you want a better example, try team IM. But that has been avoiding so many times already, I can't even believe it. Were Mvp and Nestea bad in 2011 while IM was doing poorly in teamleagues? | ||
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Tommyth
Poland117 Posts
On February 02 2013 17:30 Ch3rry wrote: Just put Taeja, HerO, Stephano and JaeDong at first 4 players. Even if they lose their games, its still better shot than Zenio and "0-wins" PuMa. Why is everybody forgetting Thorzain? As far as i know, he actually won something in PL, and perhaps he is not going to be in Korea forever, so why not send him instead of Puma? | ||
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