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ConGee
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letian
Germany4221 Posts
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Nosforit
Canada260 Posts
On February 02 2013 03:11 LakseWim wrote: this o.O. He is 0-6, before proleague began i thought he would be one of the most important players for EGTL He is. Which is unfortunate because you need your key contributors to WIN in order to have a chance at being a strong team. If Puma were to all of a sudden go on a winning streak, all other things staying the same, EGTL would be much stronger.  Of course, that's probably not going to happen. EGTL's best hope at this point is to take advantage of the change to HotS next season to qualify for the post season. | ||
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oXoCube
Canada197 Posts
Turn vs Stats 2-14-12 never forget EGTL pretty clearly does not have the depth everyone thought they had going into the season | ||
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RezChi
Canada2368 Posts
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GreyKnight
United States4720 Posts
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sacade
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if we look at the win rate, EGTL has 5 players who are above 50%. The same as KT and Woongjin Stars and more than other teams. The problems are that we almost never see the best players (Stephano and Taeja) and I don't think that the team has enough preparation (According to liquipedia EGTL is the team with the less coachs and I read somewhere HerO complains about finding partner for training). And it's a foreign team, Most of fans want to see wins and foreigners play. Stop sending Puma please  | ||
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SamsungStar
United States912 Posts
On February 02 2013 04:30 sacade wrote: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2012-2013_Proleague/Statistics if we look at the win rate, EGTL has 5 players who are above 50%. The same as KT and Woongjin Stars and more than other teams. The problems are that we almost never see the best players (Stephano and Taeja) and I don't think that the team has enough preparation (According to liquipedia EGTL is the team with the less coachs and I read somewhere HerO complains about finding partner for training). And it's a foreign team, Most of fans want to see wins and foreigners play. Stop sending Puma please I don't know why there's this much analysis into quite a simple problem: EGTL doesn't have a reliable Ace. Look at Khan's team score. They're 8-8 with -9 in match points LOL. But they're on a crazy win streak. Why? Two strong aces: Jangbi and Roro. Who is EGTL's ace in the hole? I don't see one. And that's why their match score is the same as Khan's yet they're 6-10. | ||
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hangarninetysix
263 Posts
On February 02 2013 00:25 FineAndDandy wrote: What? don't get your point. Why shouldn't it matter the same? Bo3 are just 3 Bo1s. I would even say Bo1s maybe matter more because every game is live or die situation. I think Bo1 is actually much less random than Bo3/5, unless there is a really really long time to prepare. I don't think most players can adequately prepare for that many games on short notice like in MLG or IEM. In this format (non winners league), everyone has time to prepare for every eventuality in their game. If they lose to something, it means they didn't take a possible move by their opponent into account when devising their strategy. I think if both players have a ton of time to prepare though, then Bo5 is definitely less random. | ||
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Corsica
Ukraine1854 Posts
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ymir233
United States8275 Posts
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Jacmert
Canada1709 Posts
On February 02 2013 04:33 SamsungStar wrote: I don't know why there's this much analysis into quite a simple problem: EGTL doesn't have a reliable Ace. Look at Khan's team score. They're 8-8 with -9 in match points LOL. But they're on a crazy win streak. Why? Two strong aces: Jangbi and Roro. Who is EGTL's ace in the hole? I don't see one. And that's why their match score is the same as Khan's yet they're 6-10. When was the last time we even got to an Ace match? HerO, Taeja, and Stephano are good enough to be our Aces. Revival could be argued to be good enough, as well. The real problem - I think - is that we keep putting Zenio, Puma, and to a lesser extent JYP out in the lineup ahead of the first four I mentioned. | ||
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Jacmert
Canada1709 Posts
On February 02 2013 04:49 ymir233 wrote: Regardless of what the reason is, EG-TL needs to shape up. ... As professionals, there's little excuse for fluctuating in performance so much. I think it's pretty simple. Our best shot is to get Taeja, Stephano, HerO, and Revival in the lineup as often as possible. There aren't good enough reasons for them NOT to be in every single match. I'd like to see more Thorzain and Huk, too, as long as they're in good shape. I don't buy all the excuses, such as Taeja's wrist problems or Stephano preparing for Code S. Taeja just played 3 BO3's, was it, the other day in Code S and advanced to the next round. He looked in great shape. Stephano - well, I haven't watched last night's matches yet, but he's not injured. Proleague is just ONE MAP per match, and only TWO matches per week. Put Taeja and Stephano in there. You don't need Taeja to be practicing dozens and dozens of games to prep for that one map for him to STILL be in better shape than 95% of the Kespa players. And it wouldn't kill Stephano to practice half a dozen games on that map to prep for the match. The other thing that the top calibre players like HerO need to do is just play more standard. They're actually a step above all the other Kespa players except for a few aces, like Rain, maybe Soulkey/Innovation, etc. It was gut wrenching to see HerO lose after his cheese-vs-cheese, and even then, he showed how amazing a player he is by even prolonging the game that long. In summary: @EGtrotRC (the EG-TL coach) should just keep putting Taeja, HerO, Stephano, and Revival in the lineup every single game and get the first three to play a bit more standard/safe. Even a greedy Kespa player who gets an econ advantage early on is not going to have a high chance of beating safe play out of Taeja/HerO/Stephano. | ||
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oneill12
Romania1222 Posts
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papaz
Sweden4149 Posts
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insanet
Peru439 Posts
Damn, KHAN is in beast mode nowadays. | ||
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GTPGlitch
5061 Posts
I don't buy all the excuses, such as Taeja's wrist problems or Stephano preparing for Code S. Taeja just played 3 BO3's, was it, the other day in Code S and advanced to the next round. He looked in great shape. Stephano - well, I haven't watched last night's matches yet, but he's not injured. Proleague is just ONE MAP per match, and only TWO matches per week. Put Taeja and Stephano in there. You don't need Taeja to be practicing dozens and dozens of games to prep for that one map for him to STILL be in better shape than 95% of the Kespa players. And it wouldn't kill Stephano to practice half a dozen games on that map to prep for the match. Yeah man, definitely don't buy into taeja's problems. especially because it's not like he ever tweeted a picture of a half-dozen needles sticking in his wrist... | ||
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SamsungStar
United States912 Posts
On February 02 2013 04:49 Jacmert wrote: When was the last time we even got to an Ace match? HerO, Taeja, and Stephano are good enough to be our Aces. Revival could be argued to be good enough, as well. The real problem - I think - is that we keep putting Zenio, Puma, and to a lesser extent JYP out in the lineup ahead of the first four I mentioned. Not really. Aces are supposed to win their first match then take the ace as well. Hero's not even winning his regular PL match. Half the reason why EGTL isn't making it to ace matches. Look at Roro/Jangbi for examples of what Ace players look like. | ||
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EtherealDeath
United States8366 Posts
On February 02 2013 05:13 GTPGlitch wrote: Yeah man, definitely don't buy into taeja's problems. especially because it's not like he ever tweeted a picture of a half-dozen needles sticking in his wrist... Yea, and it's not like Stephano was at the GSL studio at the same time as Proleague, nah definitely not. | ||
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Azriel
Mexico462 Posts
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