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On February 02 2013 00:49 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2013 00:40 Arceus wrote:On February 02 2013 00:11 DarkLordOlli wrote:On February 02 2013 00:05 SamsungStar wrote:On February 02 2013 00:01 DarkLordOlli wrote:On February 01 2013 23:58 Arceus wrote:
lol at all those defenders. If you failed a bo1 with PRESET map AND opponent, you are bad. I mean cmon just one known map, one known opponent, days to prepare. Theres really no excuse if you cant do that, repeatedly no less WTF, silliest argument I've ever heard. Yeah, almost as bad as the guy arguing EGTL's losses in winner's league were due to their aces not getting more than once chance to win for their team. You are just way too rabid of a fanboy. EGTL's aces are strong, but so are the aces of other teams in PL like Grumbels said. You're way overestimating their skill and that's why you find yourself needing to defend your team's abysmal performance when to everyone else it's plain as day that your players are simply not as good as you claim. So who 3 killed Samsung Khan again? Oh right, HerO. Why did EGTL lose again? Oh right, because the rest of the lineup didn't perform. The team overall might be worse than the rest in PL, whatever. I'm not saying anything else. I don't even care about their performance, lol. All I'm saying is that the hate against their players is fucking retarded as hell because teamleagues don't show individual skill as much as individual leagues because you, as an individual player, only get a smaller amount of games which makes it easier for you to lose. That's how it is. Zenio for example might have a bad record in PL but hey, he made Code A which is something most kespa player can't say for themselves. That doesn't automatically mean that he's better of course. But he can't be as horrible as his PL statistics say. Lol you love talking about "individual skill". For that matter, Winnerleague (in which you cite Hero's 3 kills) is not a good benchmark because you dont know your opponents, hence volatile as fuck. However, Proleague (and OSL, GSL from the playoff) IS. Rational speaking, the best condition for one player to show his 100% A-game is when maps & opponent are known (thats why Starleague playoff does that). Being unable to perform in the ideal condition many times means that you are ultimately the worse player. Zenio? One session of beating the randomness doesnt make him good. Meanwhile going 2-5 in SPL settings is only better than his terran fellow. Actually the best condition for a player to show his absolute best is in as many games as possible with known opponents on known maps. GSL Bo7 finals for example. Because that provides the statistical stability of the better player likelier winning the longer series while also providing the ability to extensively prepare for an opponent & the maps. If you get blind countered by an arguably worse player than you once in a Bo1, you lose the whole series. Doesn't matter if you've studied your opponent and the map for weeks. If it happens once in a Bo7, you lose one map but might win the next 4 straight. In that case, it's a much more skill-indicative series than a Bo1. Well, all these arguments are basically meant to say one thing: if EGTL performs poorly as a team, that doesn't automatically mean that the players are as bad as their team's results, especially seeing how most EGTL players have better results in individual leagues than in PL.
invalid argument since none of the EGTL except Taeja/Hero ever played a bo5 sc2 in Starleague format (Zenio did some in open seasons or something but thats ancient history). And it's not like they are able to any time soon so Proleague with bi-weekly matches is a very good benchmark.
My conclusion is that in Korean standard (not weekend 3 days foreign tourneys), the performance of team EGTL correlates very well with their individuals' performance
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Is ThorZaIN practicing HoTS currently? Is that why he isn't used at all? At this point he has to have a similar record to PuMa and Zenio, so I don't see why they don't throw him out there otherwise. Taeja being injured really sucks for this team, and Stephano having conflicts with GSL does as well.
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On February 02 2013 01:23 Micromnky wrote:
lol. People implying that a Bo1 isnt volatile and unpredictable just because they know the opponent and map before hand.
This is what probably happens, while getting ready for a Bo1 like the ones in proleague. They look at the map, and the player. They look at how the player plays, on said maps. Then they'll prepare a specialized build, to try and best defeat that specific player, on that specific map. Guess what the other guy does? THE SAME THING.
So what has a good chance of happening is, both players will be preparing for each others normal styles. So neither of them will play quite normally because theyre both trying to pre-counter what they think the other will do.
So thats why theres DEFINATLY a difference between teamleague Bo1 and individual league Bo3/5/7.
Hold up friend.
You think they don't do that in a Bo3/5/7 in GSL? Because if you do, you're wrong. They almost always use prepared builds in GSL (with one exception being MVP's proxy 11/11 against Squirtle in the finals that one season). If you don't then your whole point there is moot.
Though to be honest I agree, there "definitely" is a difference between BO1 and BO3/5/7. But it's not because both players arn't preparing builds.
Furthermore, you need to think of teamleagues as BO7. If an entire team loses to cheese or any other strategy, then there's a problem there. Today Khan was the better team. There may be hope that we will one day feast upon the supple flesh of vengeance, and that will taste all the sweeter if we admit that our players keep losing because they arn't playing better than their opponents.
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God, Proleague is so unpredictable.
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On February 02 2013 01:34 Arceus wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2013 00:49 DarkLordOlli wrote:On February 02 2013 00:40 Arceus wrote:On February 02 2013 00:11 DarkLordOlli wrote:On February 02 2013 00:05 SamsungStar wrote:On February 02 2013 00:01 DarkLordOlli wrote:On February 01 2013 23:58 Arceus wrote:
lol at all those defenders. If you failed a bo1 with PRESET map AND opponent, you are bad. I mean cmon just one known map, one known opponent, days to prepare. Theres really no excuse if you cant do that, repeatedly no less WTF, silliest argument I've ever heard. Yeah, almost as bad as the guy arguing EGTL's losses in winner's league were due to their aces not getting more than once chance to win for their team. You are just way too rabid of a fanboy. EGTL's aces are strong, but so are the aces of other teams in PL like Grumbels said. You're way overestimating their skill and that's why you find yourself needing to defend your team's abysmal performance when to everyone else it's plain as day that your players are simply not as good as you claim. So who 3 killed Samsung Khan again? Oh right, HerO. Why did EGTL lose again? Oh right, because the rest of the lineup didn't perform. The team overall might be worse than the rest in PL, whatever. I'm not saying anything else. I don't even care about their performance, lol. All I'm saying is that the hate against their players is fucking retarded as hell because teamleagues don't show individual skill as much as individual leagues because you, as an individual player, only get a smaller amount of games which makes it easier for you to lose. That's how it is. Zenio for example might have a bad record in PL but hey, he made Code A which is something most kespa player can't say for themselves. That doesn't automatically mean that he's better of course. But he can't be as horrible as his PL statistics say. Lol you love talking about "individual skill". For that matter, Winnerleague (in which you cite Hero's 3 kills) is not a good benchmark because you dont know your opponents, hence volatile as fuck. However, Proleague (and OSL, GSL from the playoff) IS. Rational speaking, the best condition for one player to show his 100% A-game is when maps & opponent are known (thats why Starleague playoff does that). Being unable to perform in the ideal condition many times means that you are ultimately the worse player. Zenio? One session of beating the randomness doesnt make him good. Meanwhile going 2-5 in SPL settings is only better than his terran fellow. Actually the best condition for a player to show his absolute best is in as many games as possible with known opponents on known maps. GSL Bo7 finals for example. Because that provides the statistical stability of the better player likelier winning the longer series while also providing the ability to extensively prepare for an opponent & the maps. If you get blind countered by an arguably worse player than you once in a Bo1, you lose the whole series. Doesn't matter if you've studied your opponent and the map for weeks. If it happens once in a Bo7, you lose one map but might win the next 4 straight. In that case, it's a much more skill-indicative series than a Bo1. Well, all these arguments are basically meant to say one thing: if EGTL performs poorly as a team, that doesn't automatically mean that the players are as bad as their team's results, especially seeing how most EGTL players have better results in individual leagues than in PL. invalid argument since none of the EGTL except Taeja/Hero ever played a bo5 sc2 in Starleague format (Zenio did some in open seasons or something but thats ancient history). And it's not like they are able to any time soon so Proleague with bi-weekly matches is a very good benchmark. My conclusion is that in Korean standard (not weekend 3 days foreign tourneys), the performance of team EGTL correlates very well with their individuals' performance
Well no. JYP, HuK and I think Puma too all have. The vast VAST majority of Kespa players have not however.
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On February 02 2013 01:43 Zygno wrote:
God, Proleague is so unpredictable.
Actually it's pretty predictible. EG-TL almost always loses.
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On February 02 2013 01:45 Zzoram wrote:Actually it's pretty predictible. EG-TL almost always loses.
I'm not talking about EG-TL specifically. Proleague in general is very difficult to predict, because nearly every team can beat every other. Even EG-TL, if they'd have all their players (Stephano, Taeja) available.
I'm really disappointed about HerO, hasn't been so good as of now. He really needs to improve his PvP, his other matchups are way better.
Sending Huk or Thorzain instead of Zenio/PuMa would be a good move in my opinion, because both of them must be really depressed about their losing streak and I don't think their better skillwise than our foreigners. I guess Huk/TZ are probably going full HotS and they're time will come when HotS comes out.
EG-TL just has to kinda survive until Round 4...
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Wouldn't be a good Khan win if the losing team's fans weren't avidly looking for excuses and/or whining 
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On February 02 2013 01:57 Zygno wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2013 01:45 Zzoram wrote:On February 02 2013 01:43 Zygno wrote:
God, Proleague is so unpredictable. Actually it's pretty predictible. EG-TL almost always loses. I'm not talking about EG-TL specifically. Proleague in general is very difficult to predict, because nearly every team can beat every other. Even EG-TL, if they'd have all their players (Stephano, Taeja) available. I'm really disappointed about HerO, hasn't been so good as of now. He really needs to improve his PvP, his other matchups are way better. Sending Huk or Thorzain instead of Zenio/PuMa would be a good move in my opinion, because both of them must be really depressed about their losing streak and I don't think their better skillwise than our foreigners. I guess Huk/TZ are probably going full HotS and they're time will come when HotS comes out. EG-TL just has to kinda survive until Round 4...
Keep in mind, the other teams have entire B-Teams preparing for HoTS. It might not go as well as we hope 
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On February 02 2013 01:36 Swords wrote:
Is ThorZaIN practicing HoTS currently? Is that why he isn't used at all? At this point he has to have a similar record to PuMa and Zenio, so I don't see why they don't throw him out there otherwise. Taeja being injured really sucks for this team, and Stephano having conflicts with GSL does as well.
Well, Stephano won't be having any more conflicts with the GSL. He's already seeded for the Team 8 match though.
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On February 02 2013 01:57 Kergy wrote:Wouldn't be a good Khan win if the losing team's fans weren't avidly looking for excuses and/or whining
Get it Kergy! Preach!
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On February 02 2013 01:45 Zzoram wrote:Actually it's pretty predictible. EG-TL almost always loses.
Damn, sniped. But yeah, I think Sirscoots and Nazgul have an anti-team that consists of their entire roster. This entire adventure was an elaborate plan to win FPL.
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On February 02 2013 01:36 TheDougler wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2013 01:23 Micromnky wrote:
lol. People implying that a Bo1 isnt volatile and unpredictable just because they know the opponent and map before hand.
This is what probably happens, while getting ready for a Bo1 like the ones in proleague. They look at the map, and the player. They look at how the player plays, on said maps. Then they'll prepare a specialized build, to try and best defeat that specific player, on that specific map. Guess what the other guy does? THE SAME THING.
So what has a good chance of happening is, both players will be preparing for each others normal styles. So neither of them will play quite normally because theyre both trying to pre-counter what they think the other will do.
So thats why theres DEFINATLY a difference between teamleague Bo1 and individual league Bo3/5/7.
Hold up friend. You think they don't do that in a Bo3/5/7 in GSL? Because if you do, you're wrong. They almost always use prepared builds in GSL (with one exception being MVP's proxy 11/11 against Squirtle in the finals that one season). If you don't then your whole point there is moot. Though to be honest I agree, there "definitely" is a difference between BO1 and BO3/5/7. But it's not because both players arn't preparing builds. Furthermore, you need to think of teamleagues as BO7. If an entire team loses to cheese or any other strategy, then there's a problem there. Today Khan was the better team. There may be hope that we will one day feast upon the supple flesh of vengeance, and that will taste all the sweeter if we admit that our players keep losing because they arn't playing better than their opponents.
Oh no I know they do it in GSL Bo3/5/7 but it's not the same as a Bo1 simply because both players have a chance to react and shift their strategy after each game to better adapt. In the Proleague it's a one shot deal. That's where the difference lies.
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On February 02 2013 01:36 Swords wrote:
Is ThorZaIN practicing HoTS currently? Is that why he isn't used at all? At this point he has to have a similar record to PuMa and Zenio, so I don't see why they don't throw him out there otherwise. Taeja being injured really sucks for this team, and Stephano having conflicts with GSL does as well.
That's nothing more than a limitation set by the player themselves. There are many other players who like to play in all the majors instead of focusing on one thing.
On February 02 2013 02:06 Micromnky wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2013 01:36 TheDougler wrote:On February 02 2013 01:23 Micromnky wrote:
lol. People implying that a Bo1 isnt volatile and unpredictable just because they know the opponent and map before hand.
This is what probably happens, while getting ready for a Bo1 like the ones in proleague. They look at the map, and the player. They look at how the player plays, on said maps. Then they'll prepare a specialized build, to try and best defeat that specific player, on that specific map. Guess what the other guy does? THE SAME THING.
So what has a good chance of happening is, both players will be preparing for each others normal styles. So neither of them will play quite normally because theyre both trying to pre-counter what they think the other will do.
So thats why theres DEFINATLY a difference between teamleague Bo1 and individual league Bo3/5/7.
Hold up friend. You think they don't do that in a Bo3/5/7 in GSL? Because if you do, you're wrong. They almost always use prepared builds in GSL (with one exception being MVP's proxy 11/11 against Squirtle in the finals that one season). If you don't then your whole point there is moot. Though to be honest I agree, there "definitely" is a difference between BO1 and BO3/5/7. But it's not because both players arn't preparing builds. Furthermore, you need to think of teamleagues as BO7. If an entire team loses to cheese or any other strategy, then there's a problem there. Today Khan was the better team. There may be hope that we will one day feast upon the supple flesh of vengeance, and that will taste all the sweeter if we admit that our players keep losing because they arn't playing better than their opponents. Oh no I know they do it in GSL Bo3/5/7 but it's not the same as a Bo1 simply because both players have a chance to react and shift their strategy after each game to better adapt. In the Proleague it's a one shot deal. That's where the difference lies.
There are very few exceptions when it comes to individual performance and PL performance when you look at the history of BW. Now that there are so many tournaments of course a lot of people are going to complain about bo1's. This isn't sorcery.
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Puma going for the record of most losses in proleague.
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On February 01 2013 23:26 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 23:18 SamsungStar wrote:On February 01 2013 23:08 DarkLordOlli wrote:On February 01 2013 23:02 SamsungStar wrote:On February 01 2013 21:04 DarkLordOlli wrote:On February 01 2013 21:01 NightOfTheDead wrote:On February 01 2013 20:55 Zeon0 wrote:
TL need another player in Korea so EGTL has more options. Maybe send Snute over there? Stephano Taeja Jaedong JYP Hero - Huk, Zenio, Thorzain, Puma And they need more players to send out? More options? Really? Not many teams can boast such a lineup actually, and most of these players were playing from beta. Has something to do with Kespa training and preparation. Why does every thread have to go there T_T If it was an individual league, the EGTL players would probably score better results than 90% of the kespa players. But it's not, this is a team league. Different format, different preparation. Different skills required. I kind of agree with you but that's not something only kespa teams are capable of Right, that's why EG did so well in winner's league. What a crock of doodoo. The team is just bad. There's no hidden reason for it. There's no need to make excuses. In other news, KHAN wins again Lol. You could argue that the "lower half" of EGTL isn't top tier. Then again, Zenio made Code A while tons of hyped kespa players didn't. HerO has 3 tournament wins under his belt + GSL Ro4 & Ro8 last year and a great performance at IPL5 that kinda fell under the radar because zerg suffocated the whole tournament. Taeja has won multiple tournaments and all killed multiple things and is currently performing well in GSL even though his wrists are in bad shape. Stephano has mulitple tournament wins and is always performing well. I wasn't arguing that EGTL was a good team. At least read the post correctly. I said INDIVIDUAL LEAGUE = GSL, MLG, etc. HerO, Taeja, Stephano would place higher at individual tournaments than 90% of the kespa players. That doesn't mean they'll perform well in PL. You could argue that the team is bad, whatever. What I'm saying is that EGTL has better individual players than most other teams but that it doesn't necessarily benefit them in a teamleague format like this, especially with Bo1s. Same reason why IM wasn't winning everything. You're only as good as your last game. Listing a bunch of old achievements is meaningless. Especially when last year the kespa players were playing BW. Most of the kespa players didn't even understand how the game worked when they got knocked out of GSL. It's only in the past month that JangBi said he learned what protoss is supposed to do in late game. Your examples don't make any sense in that context. EGTL's players aren't good. That's why they lose. Simple as that. Results are what matter and when EGTL plays their results end in LOSSES. EGTL doesn't have better individual players. It's not like PL has 3v3 matches. If their players were better, they would win! That's a dumb argument. Simply dumb. Being better doesn't mean you're gonna win in a Bo1. Like, if you gave me one game vs Jangbi and I got a lucky build order win, am I better than him? No? Well, according to your logic I would be because I won the game. As it is, Stephano, HerO and Taeja would wipe the floor with 90% of Kespa players in say a Bo5. The more games you play, the closer you get to seeing who's better. The fewer games you play, the more random it becomes. That's logic. If you have a dice that's heavier on one side and you roll it 50 times, you'd start to see a pattern. If you roll it once it has absolutely NO MEANING WHATSOEVER. The dice is still heavier on one side but you're not gonna be able to tell because you only rolled it once. Again, when Mvp and Nestea won every tournament in the world but IM bombed out of teamleagues, were the IM players bad? It's a fucking dumb argument. IM just didn't perform well as a team while they were smashing individual leagues. HerO, Taeja and Stephano are ALWAYS doing well in individual leagues. Does that mean they'll automatically be a sick good team? Fuck no.
wtf am I reading? Stephano/Hero/Taeja would wipe the floor with 90% of Kespa players in a Bo5?? And you know this how? By watching them losing BO1 all the time? That's the "logic" you're proving?
Seriously people need to stop making excuses and realize the fact that stephano/hero/taeja are not that special comparing to the Kespa players. They're solid mid-tier players and that's all.
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On February 02 2013 02:48 chosenkerrigan wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 23:26 DarkLordOlli wrote:On February 01 2013 23:18 SamsungStar wrote:On February 01 2013 23:08 DarkLordOlli wrote:On February 01 2013 23:02 SamsungStar wrote:On February 01 2013 21:04 DarkLordOlli wrote:On February 01 2013 21:01 NightOfTheDead wrote:On February 01 2013 20:55 Zeon0 wrote:
TL need another player in Korea so EGTL has more options. Maybe send Snute over there? Stephano Taeja Jaedong JYP Hero - Huk, Zenio, Thorzain, Puma And they need more players to send out? More options? Really? Not many teams can boast such a lineup actually, and most of these players were playing from beta. Has something to do with Kespa training and preparation. Why does every thread have to go there T_T If it was an individual league, the EGTL players would probably score better results than 90% of the kespa players. But it's not, this is a team league. Different format, different preparation. Different skills required. I kind of agree with you but that's not something only kespa teams are capable of Right, that's why EG did so well in winner's league. What a crock of doodoo. The team is just bad. There's no hidden reason for it. There's no need to make excuses. In other news, KHAN wins again Lol. You could argue that the "lower half" of EGTL isn't top tier. Then again, Zenio made Code A while tons of hyped kespa players didn't. HerO has 3 tournament wins under his belt + GSL Ro4 & Ro8 last year and a great performance at IPL5 that kinda fell under the radar because zerg suffocated the whole tournament. Taeja has won multiple tournaments and all killed multiple things and is currently performing well in GSL even though his wrists are in bad shape. Stephano has mulitple tournament wins and is always performing well. I wasn't arguing that EGTL was a good team. At least read the post correctly. I said INDIVIDUAL LEAGUE = GSL, MLG, etc. HerO, Taeja, Stephano would place higher at individual tournaments than 90% of the kespa players. That doesn't mean they'll perform well in PL. You could argue that the team is bad, whatever. What I'm saying is that EGTL has better individual players than most other teams but that it doesn't necessarily benefit them in a teamleague format like this, especially with Bo1s. Same reason why IM wasn't winning everything. You're only as good as your last game. Listing a bunch of old achievements is meaningless. Especially when last year the kespa players were playing BW. Most of the kespa players didn't even understand how the game worked when they got knocked out of GSL. It's only in the past month that JangBi said he learned what protoss is supposed to do in late game. Your examples don't make any sense in that context. EGTL's players aren't good. That's why they lose. Simple as that. Results are what matter and when EGTL plays their results end in LOSSES. EGTL doesn't have better individual players. It's not like PL has 3v3 matches. If their players were better, they would win! That's a dumb argument. Simply dumb. Being better doesn't mean you're gonna win in a Bo1. Like, if you gave me one game vs Jangbi and I got a lucky build order win, am I better than him? No? Well, according to your logic I would be because I won the game. As it is, Stephano, HerO and Taeja would wipe the floor with 90% of Kespa players in say a Bo5. The more games you play, the closer you get to seeing who's better. The fewer games you play, the more random it becomes. That's logic. If you have a dice that's heavier on one side and you roll it 50 times, you'd start to see a pattern. If you roll it once it has absolutely NO MEANING WHATSOEVER. The dice is still heavier on one side but you're not gonna be able to tell because you only rolled it once. Again, when Mvp and Nestea won every tournament in the world but IM bombed out of teamleagues, were the IM players bad? It's a fucking dumb argument. IM just didn't perform well as a team while they were smashing individual leagues. HerO, Taeja and Stephano are ALWAYS doing well in individual leagues. Does that mean they'll automatically be a sick good team? Fuck no. wtf am I reading? Stephano/Hero/Taeja would wipe the floor with 90% of Kespa players in a Bo5?? And you know this how? By watching them losing BO1 all the time? That's the "logic" you're proving? Seriously people need to stop making excuses and realize the fact that stephano/hero/taeja are not that special comparing to the Kespa players. They're solid mid-tier players and that's all.
No, these players are clearly top level, but they're not really ahead of the KeSPA either
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On February 02 2013 02:31 sitromit wrote:
Puma going for the record of most losses in proleague.
this o.O. He is 0-6, before proleague began i thought he would be one of the most important players for EGTL
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On February 02 2013 02:48 chosenkerrigan wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 23:26 DarkLordOlli wrote:On February 01 2013 23:18 SamsungStar wrote:On February 01 2013 23:08 DarkLordOlli wrote:On February 01 2013 23:02 SamsungStar wrote:On February 01 2013 21:04 DarkLordOlli wrote:On February 01 2013 21:01 NightOfTheDead wrote:On February 01 2013 20:55 Zeon0 wrote:
TL need another player in Korea so EGTL has more options. Maybe send Snute over there? Stephano Taeja Jaedong JYP Hero - Huk, Zenio, Thorzain, Puma And they need more players to send out? More options? Really? Not many teams can boast such a lineup actually, and most of these players were playing from beta. Has something to do with Kespa training and preparation. Why does every thread have to go there T_T If it was an individual league, the EGTL players would probably score better results than 90% of the kespa players. But it's not, this is a team league. Different format, different preparation. Different skills required. I kind of agree with you but that's not something only kespa teams are capable of Right, that's why EG did so well in winner's league. What a crock of doodoo. The team is just bad. There's no hidden reason for it. There's no need to make excuses. In other news, KHAN wins again Lol. You could argue that the "lower half" of EGTL isn't top tier. Then again, Zenio made Code A while tons of hyped kespa players didn't. HerO has 3 tournament wins under his belt + GSL Ro4 & Ro8 last year and a great performance at IPL5 that kinda fell under the radar because zerg suffocated the whole tournament. Taeja has won multiple tournaments and all killed multiple things and is currently performing well in GSL even though his wrists are in bad shape. Stephano has mulitple tournament wins and is always performing well. I wasn't arguing that EGTL was a good team. At least read the post correctly. I said INDIVIDUAL LEAGUE = GSL, MLG, etc. HerO, Taeja, Stephano would place higher at individual tournaments than 90% of the kespa players. That doesn't mean they'll perform well in PL. You could argue that the team is bad, whatever. What I'm saying is that EGTL has better individual players than most other teams but that it doesn't necessarily benefit them in a teamleague format like this, especially with Bo1s. Same reason why IM wasn't winning everything. You're only as good as your last game. Listing a bunch of old achievements is meaningless. Especially when last year the kespa players were playing BW. Most of the kespa players didn't even understand how the game worked when they got knocked out of GSL. It's only in the past month that JangBi said he learned what protoss is supposed to do in late game. Your examples don't make any sense in that context. EGTL's players aren't good. That's why they lose. Simple as that. Results are what matter and when EGTL plays their results end in LOSSES. EGTL doesn't have better individual players. It's not like PL has 3v3 matches. If their players were better, they would win! That's a dumb argument. Simply dumb. Being better doesn't mean you're gonna win in a Bo1. Like, if you gave me one game vs Jangbi and I got a lucky build order win, am I better than him? No? Well, according to your logic I would be because I won the game. As it is, Stephano, HerO and Taeja would wipe the floor with 90% of Kespa players in say a Bo5. The more games you play, the closer you get to seeing who's better. The fewer games you play, the more random it becomes. That's logic. If you have a dice that's heavier on one side and you roll it 50 times, you'd start to see a pattern. If you roll it once it has absolutely NO MEANING WHATSOEVER. The dice is still heavier on one side but you're not gonna be able to tell because you only rolled it once. Again, when Mvp and Nestea won every tournament in the world but IM bombed out of teamleagues, were the IM players bad? It's a fucking dumb argument. IM just didn't perform well as a team while they were smashing individual leagues. HerO, Taeja and Stephano are ALWAYS doing well in individual leagues. Does that mean they'll automatically be a sick good team? Fuck no. wtf am I reading? Stephano/Hero/Taeja would wipe the floor with 90% of Kespa players in a Bo5?? And you know this how? By watching them losing BO1 all the time? That's the "logic" you're proving? Seriously people need to stop making excuses and realize the fact that stephano/hero/taeja are not that special comparing to the Kespa players. They're solid mid-tier players and that's all.
Taeja was 6-3 before he got injured. Which puts him in the top tier.
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